The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Colts-Steelers, Saturday, USA

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

Doug Gottlieb in for Colin   Thoughts on the Colts- Steelers game last night Why some people are wrong about interim head coach Jeff Saturday Preview of the USA-Iran World Cup game   Guest: TJ Houshmandzadeh   #DouggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Foxxport's. Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie, in for Colin Cowherd. And we have an absolutely outstanding, outstanding show for you here on a Tuesday, right?

A Tuesday, and we're leading you up to the World Cup, which will get it away in Qatar. I have no idea if it's Qatar or cutter. and if I'm really, really candid, I don't actually care because I'm not sure there's any Qatari's that are listening to the show wondering about my pronunciation. Like, I know it's Oregon, and I do get offended when people say Oregon, so I do understand that, right? I never liked the whole Washington thing.

I didn't understand that. I feel like that is slowly dying off. Qatar, I don't know. potato potato, it seems to be going off without some sort of hitch, even though there's no beer being sold. We got a lot to get to last night's Monday night game, which was a better game and a more entertaining game than I think anyone would have believed if you just said, hey, potentially Mike Tomlin's worst Steelers team

with a Colts team that has an old Matt Ryan and is kind of playing out the string with an interim coach trying to figure out what's next. But it was actually a pretty entertaining game. We'll get to that. T.G. Hushmanzot will join us this hour. By the way, happy birthday to one of Colin Cowherd's absolute favorite topics and athletes. And it's probably why it hurts his heart, Colin's heart, that this athlete has struggled this year. We'll get to that.

Andrew Brandt's going to join us. I'll give my thoughts on the U.S. men's national team versus Iran. and see what I did there? You can pronounce some words and sound like you're in the know and you're cool and then go back to being, you know, mispronunciation American guy. Like I do field. I do cleats. I do uniforms.

It's not a kit to me. Sorry. Just not. Because if I do the pitch thing, if I do the boots thing, if I do the kit thing, then I have to walk over to the lift and try and explain to people why it's a lift. Not an elevator. Can't do that. Let's get to last night.

I understand that not all of you hear my show, which follows this show on Fox Sports Radio or Fox SportsRae.com, the I-HeartRadio app. It's called the Doug Gottlieb show. We took a long time thinking of that name. But when Jeff Saturday was hired, and look, I'm not going to sit here and lie to you, as people who know who followed this show or my career, I've interviewed for college head coach. jobs, even though I've never been a college coach. So, of course, there's a special place in my heart for Jeff Saturday and the challenges and the naysayers. I get it.

But it comes with the logic and understanding that not all analysts actually analyze. Not all former players are fully invested. And not all players when they're playing require the ability. to understand all that's going on in game planning and reacting and whatever as well as, and this is the biggest thing, leading men, getting guys to get together for the common cause. Right. That's what the position is about. Is coaching about X and O's?

I mean, listen, I had a college basketball coach tell me that X and O's is like 10% of what he does. It's a higher percentage in the National Football League and in the end. NBA, right? It's in the, it's a much higher percentage. But you're still dealing with people, dealing with egos, dealing with grown men, grown men, and trying to get them to do something, which at times can be uncomfortable, sacrifice themselves, their bodies, their time, their future, their career, their ego. And my logic behind the Jeff Saturday thing, and I've done this on my show, you can go and listen to any of the archive pods or whatever is you bring on any any former player and we did this who she's going to join us in 15 minutes and you're like all right tell me the

centers who you play with and they're like oh man the best guy super smart you know they're not those guys that are left tackles those guys are amazing they're six four to six seven they may be 300 pounds but they're the most athletic 300 and whatever pounder you've ever seen. So in order to make up for a lack of size, lack of athleticism, it takes a certain level of toughness, intelligence, and also the ability to win people over, to motivate them. Because remember, you're the center, you're telling everybody else who they're supposed to block.

And you've got to have a relationship and manage up with the quarterback and the offense coordinator. So I just, I'll be honest with you. it wasn't just because, you know, I'd interviewed for jobs not having coached in college. It's because he played 14 years in the NFL. That's on the job experience. And the things that you don't know, you hire people that you do know. And oh yeah, by the way, it's kind of a lost season for the Colts anyway.

Why not? And if you don't like the way the Jim Ursa does things, that's okay. Guess what? It's his business. That's his money. That's his franchise. You may think as a fan you own a piece of it. it, you don't. The expression

in pro sports is owners own. You remember Jimmy Haslam when he drafted Johnny Mansell? They hired an entire analytics department. That analytics department advised them to draft Teddy Bridgewater. It did. And the story goes that Jimmy Haslam, you know, was walking into the facility or at some point that day came upon a homeless guy who told him to draft Johnny Mansell, and he was like, I'm drafting Johnny Manzell.

and it sounds crazy, but guess what? Owners own. They can do whatever the hell they want because they laid out the money. That's the way it works. Within whatever rules you have, they can literally hire whoever they want.

Fire whoever they want. Draft whoever they want. It's the old because I said so, right? Have your parents ever did that? Oh, I hated that. Yeah, okay. Because I said so. So you watched last night

and what are your takeaways? When you came in, you wondered, You know, are they going to, I mean, I think some people are like, are they even going to be able to line up on the football? And then you think, okay, they won the first week. That's energy. Last week, they felt like they had the Philly game won. Then the offense stalled out and Jalen Hertz made some incredible plays.

And the Eagles beat him. And how would they react? Steelers aren't that good. They're actually, culture actually favored in this game, two and a half. I mean, the takeaway was, yeah, I mean, I could, I didn't like the lack of a timeout after a Matt Ryan's scramble. but I found it really hard to pick apart what was missing in the coaching. The offense was terrible in the first half. It seemed like they made adjustments and were far better in the second half.

Is that fair? Okay. I mean, look, the other side, you can make the same, like win or lose. I let Kenny Pickett played, and Kenny Pickett was under duress to start the game. He looked like, man, can he not read the defense? Does he not see a blitz? And then he got some confidence, started stepping up. They had a couple field goals, right?

and then I thought Kenny Pickett showed improvement. Like, look, not every game is about who's going to win a Super Bowl. Not every game is about do you fire a guy, do you hire a guy? Sometimes you watch a game, you're like, hey, Kenny Pickett, looks like you can be an NFL quarterback. Came in with three touchdowns, eight interceptions, but if you hadn't watched him play, you thought, I wonder how.

Because, you know, what happens with even veteran quarterbacks is early in the game, when they get hit and Kenny got hit early in that game. A lot of times they're, you know, they're seeing ghosts the rest of the game. He got better for the most part. But here we are. We're talking about Jeff Saturday and game clock management. Here's Saturday on why the timeouts were not used late in the game. I thought we had plenty of time.

I wasn't really concerned. We still had timeouts. I really wanted to, you know, when he was going down, I couldn't tell where they were going to start him from going down, right? Like if he was going to get the first down, I expect this to get on the ball and have another play a little bit quicker than that. But again, this wasn't a press for time. We just didn't make enough plays.

Here's Matt Ryan on the clock management late in the game. I don't mind the call. We're going with some tempo trying to get that first and then probably bang a timeout after that first. We didn't get it. Then have to take the timeout and on the fourth down call. Credit to them, they did a good job of jumping inside. We had some in breaking routes. But it's disappointing. It really is because I think the effort is good. But our execution just hasn't been good enough. I thought that's actually really telling quotes. Okay. Because what we assume is, hey, man, hey, why didn't you call a timeout? Because when I play madden, bang, time out. You got three timeouts up there. Okay, but here's the thing about timeouts. And I'll give you the college basketball analogy. Okay, or the basketball analogy.

You call a timeout. You know the other guy gets a chance to set his defense, right? You do understand that. I mean, part of the deal with not calling a timeout is Matt Ryan's been doing this for 15 years. Former MVP of the league? They were actually aligned. Like, this is not Nathaniel Hackett where. Russell Wilson doesn't seem to know what he's doing or what the plague call should be

or there's been there's stories out there that Russell Wilson's actually calling audibles that are from the Seattle Seahawks, right? Like his old man having flashback days. And Nathaniel Hackett seems lost in terms of what should I do, what should I do? No, no. This is kind of the plan. All right, did he get it, not get it? We're going tempo.

Let's get on the ball. We know what personnel grouping they have. We don't have to do anything. We know exactly how to attack them. They can't switch defenses on the fly. It's amazing that Twitter thinks they know everything. And yet, here's the guy that played center for 14 years, seems to know a thing or two about two minutes.

And a quarterback who's won an MVP should have won a Super Bowl, right? They choked that thing away. And neither of them are like, hey, my bad on that. And it's not out of ego. It's out of explanation. Is it possible that most people had it wrong? Is it possible? They look competently coached.

Is it possible that even in a loss, you can sit there and go, you know, it's not bad. Nah, that's not possible. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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Yeah, sorry. They're our mortal enemy. Right. Like, if you can't do the red, white, and blue thing today, then this is probably not the place for you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Just going to be totally candid.

I think we can all agree. We'd sit there and go like, you know, that country, we don't hate as much. It's like, yeah, this is Iran. This is, we're good. And we've got to win. Can't tie. And obviously you lose and you're done. We'll talk more about that upcoming in about 20 minutes.

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And then I got a bunch of stuff to get to Hoosh. When you see the Colts, what is your assessment of the quality of coaching of Jeff Saturday? I don't think Jeff Saturday is the reason they lost. I think Jeff Saturday is doing a really good job. I know people in that building, and I spoke to him, and they like him, and they believe in what he's coaching and what he's saying, and he's meetings and on the practice field. And so to me, that's the biggest thing. They lost yesterday because, one, Matt Ryan turns the ball over.

Matt Ryan isn't mobile. He wasn't aware of the first down. And let me just go ahead and get these two extra yards, at least for me, that was a big reason why they lost, not Jeff Saturday. I would agree, right? Like, he's sitting there. And by the way, the Steelers weren't even going to hit him, right? They had two guys standing beyond the sticks. You got to know, you got to know where the sticks are.

You got to know what you've got to get to. I think he tried to dive for it, but that's giving yourself up, and that's why it was spotted where it was spotted. All right, Kenny Pickett. Can he play? Kenny Pickett is getting better, man. I agree. You guys, Kenny Pickett, each game he's improved, and so he's mobile, he can throw.

He has a receiver that can really go get the ball that he can grow and play together with for many years to come to George Pickett. And so, yeah, Kenny Pickett look like he's the good. it's very rare that the Steelers draft somebody and he turns out to not be a good player they do a really good job of draft and developing guys you know what's interesting about Pickett is and it's his first year and I don't think there would have been freak out

but I do think this it's one of those deals where and I know you had kind of a mercurial journey that led you to Oregon State so I don't know if you can relate to this but when you when you play at a college in an area where you grew up where people know you like you get more the benefit of the doubt. I played obviously at Oklahoma. When I was at Oklahoma, dudes there from Oklahoma, I liked to get the benefit of the doubt because everybody had seen them as stars in high school.

Right. So if they struggled early on, like, don't worry, he'll figure it out. And eventually they do, or maybe they don't, they're not that good. I think Kenny Pickett, the reason there wasn't a freak out early on was he played at Pittsburgh. People knew he's pretty good. He had some sweat equity there. and so it allowed him a couple of games to kind of get his feet under him. And like last night was impressive, not just because he played well,

but he got hit early in the game. And you know some of these guys, Hoosh, you hit him early in the game, and they're seeing ghosts all night. He got better and better. Pickett played a really good gaming. And you have a point. He went to the University of Pittsburgh. They're really familiar with him.

But I think more than anything else is he played a lot of snaps in college. He played a lot of football in college, and we're really just not used to that because the best quarterbacks, they normally play two years, and then they come out early. Kenny Pickett, and you take COVID into account. A lot of guys got extra snaps, extra years, and just more experience. Kenny Pickett is going to be a really good quarterback, and he fits Pittsburgh. and it was kind of crazy because Mike Tom, man, we got to get a mobile quarterback. I need a mobile quarterback. And so they have a mobile quarterback that can throw the ball.

They have a mobile quarterback that is very familiar with Pittsburgh, played his home games in college at that same stadium. And so, man, the AFC Norse is kind of not going to be a really, really, really good division for many years to come. All right, let's stick in the AFC North. Ravens lose. Lamar doesn't play great. that throw to, who was it, to D. John Jackson?

I mean, Deshaun Jackson, he's like the Daryl Green of the current NFL. It doesn't matter how old he is. He's still fast. He's still incredibly fast. So that was an unbelievable pitch and catch. But there's a lack of consistency there with their offense. He hasn't been great. And so he goes on, he responds to some random on Twitter and just eviscerates him.

Right. eviscerates him. I don't care about that, like, it's not a homophobic slur or whatever. It's just dudes talking ish. But man, he went from zero to a hundred to clap back on the guy. It feels like you only do that if you're super sensitive. What do you think's going on with Lamar? Just the pressure of wanting the contract. You know, it was, for the last couple years, it was, oh, he's okay if he doesn't find a contract. And anybody that's played sports is like, Nah, he's not okay with that. He's ready to sign a contract.

They're just not offering him, you know, what he feels. He earned and he what he wants. He was a bit sensitive if we're being honest about... A bit? A bit? Like... A bit? But you know what happened, does?

He read that. And I guarantee when he typed it out, he was like, yeah, I'm a sin that. I don't care. I guarantee he thought about it. He just didn't type that out and just hit sand. He thought about it, and he just hit sand, and I'm sure he regrets it. And I also agree. I didn't believe it was homophobic at all.

But yeah, you can't let the outside noise and what people say get to you because now others are going to do the same thing because they want a response now. I guarantee that guy that I put that out there. Lamar responded to me. look, Lamarer, he's going to get more of that because he responded. He has to be careful because of who he is in his name. Yeah, it's a crazy one. I want to ask you about Kyler Murray. He threw a pick.

It was really kind of an arm punt. I mean, the crazy part about the play in question was it was a bizarre call. It's like fourth and inches, and they were actually running the ball well against the Chargers. And he takes a shot deep. And then he's like, yeah, that wasn't actually two Newt Hopkins. that was somebody else, but our schematics were effed up. But it just feels to everybody like he clearly doesn't like Cliff, and Cliff probably didn't like dealing with him.

But in terms of as a wide receiver, were there schematics screwed up, or was it the wrong read and wrong throw? I mean, you're playing the Chargers. The Chargers have a hard time running the ball. I'm not calling a pass play anyway because I'm playing the Chargers. That's number one.

Number two, it looked as if it was a screen or a quick look route to a receiver on the outside. They got pressed. You can't run that. And so he was like, let me just throw out the Hopkins. I don't know what's going on in Arizona because Cliff Kingsbury stood on a table and wanted to draft Kyler Murray because I recruited him in high school. I'd been knowing him since high school, got rid of Josh Rosen.

So you felt like they're going to be able to get along. This is going to be a good partnership. I don't know what is transpired. what's going on in that building first. They don't get along. They don't like each other. That's obvious. But why?

Why is this the case? It's easier to replace the coach than it is to replace the players. So Kingsbury will be gone. But if Tyler Murray can't get along with his next head coach, then he's probably the problem. It's Russell Wilson's birthday. He's 34 years old. I mean, you talk about easier to replace.

You can't replace Russell Wilson, right? I mean, look at his contract. Can't trade him, can't move him. He's yours for three more years, guaranteed. There's just no getting out of it. But I guess the question is, Hush, is he fixable? Doug, this is really, you know what I don't understand is how Russell Wilson has fallen off a cliff so fast? And is it all Russell Wilson's fault?

But when you look at Nathaniel Hackett and you say, how did he get him? get in this position. He was an offensive coordinator for eight years prior to him becoming a head coach. Offensive coordinator in Green Bay. You don't call the plays, though. So you're just an offensive coordinator on paper. But when he was calling the plays, he called the plays in Jacksonville. I don't know if you know this or you recall this.

When they went to the playhouse with Blake Bortos was a quarterback and Doug Moran was the head coach, Jalen Ramsey, Calais, Camp. Doug. they were 27th, 15th, and 30th in offense. When Hackett was the coordinator, I don't know if Hackett is made for this. Like, he's coaching in the NFL because his not made for it. He's not made for it.

I mean, have you ever, have you ever seen, have you ever ever in your life? And you played in the league for a decade, right? You've covered the league for a decade. We've been sports fans our whole life. You've ever seen a home team's fans count out the play clock. because the home team in Denver couldn't get their play in. And it wasn't week one in the season.

They don't trust him. And so I'm going to go with the guy that has proven himself. Russell Wilson has proven year after year to be a really good player more so than that Daniel Hackett is proven that he's a good coach. Even when he was an assistant calling plays, he was below average. But it's kind of scary what you're seeing out of Russ because he has pieces on offense. and coaching really matters in the NFL. I believe Hackett is gone, but again, with Russell Wilson,

Pete Carroll is just smiling, like, I tried to tell him. I want to let Russ cook. I let Russ cook, and the food didn't come out too well, and so I got him out the kitchen, and now he wants to cook again, and the food's not going to while I try to tell you guys. And so Russell Wilson, his legacy is on the line next year, because this year it's a wash.

It's over. Next year, his legacy and his name will be on the line. Aaron Rogers stands to make $59 million guaranteed if he returns. There is no trading him because the dead cap money is like $91 million. Right? Anybody goes like, we should trade him and you can't do it. The only thing you could do is he could retire, but that's walking away from $60 million guaranteed.

Not doing that. No chance. No chance. Okay. But, I mean, he still wants to play while they're not mathematically eliminated. If you're in Green Bay, how do you handle this? I need to see what Jordan Love can do. It's simple as that.

Now, if that means let Jordan Love play and see if we can trade Jordan Love and get something for him, because I don't know about you, but I like what I saw when he came in. I like the way he played. Very small sample size. But he looked pretty good. He came in there. He didn't look nervous. Put the ball in front of the receiver.

They can get yards after the catch. But it's what you said. I did not know the dead cap was $90 million. So they're tied to Aaron Rogers regardless next year. But you need to see if Jordan Love can play. You don't draft the guy in the front of. first round and then just let him walk and he hasn't started a regular season game of any significance like give him some games and see what he can do and hopefully you can get something

for him but for me Aaron Rogers is locked in if you have that cap hit but you would like to see if you can get something for Jordan Love you know it's interesting I got I watched him and I was like man they actually it's the defense was so bad like Christian Watson seems to be figuring it out actually catch a football because he is fast when he catches that football. Obviously, they need a tight end, you know, and another wide receiver, but they don't feel like they're that far off. The defense feels really, really far off the game. That thing has fallen off the goal.

I want to ask me, the other side, the Eagles. I'm generally against the running quarterback, not because I don't like them, but because it's never worked in the playoffs, right? Guys that tuck it and run it, it just doesn't work. but I wonder if this Eagles thing could work and and I'll tell you why. The matchup potentially with the Cowboys, it would be their third game or with the, maybe with the Niners, because, you know, the Eagles don't exactly stop the run particularly well. But if they're the one seed, you don't get extra time to prep for them,

and they play a different style than just about anybody else. I guess my question is, can Jalen Hertz with this style, which is predominantly a running quarterback? He can throw, and he does have two elite wide receivers to throw to. But it's predominantly that design runs and scrambles, and it's really hard to stop in the regular season. But in the postseason, we've seen a relative ceiling. Kaepernick's the only one to get to a Super Bowl playing with this style. Do you see it as a postseason success?

I do because the game of football has changed. The reason we've never seen it before was because in so many, in years past, it was we want a pocket passer. We want a quarterback that stays in the pocket. The game has now shifted. In five or six years, Doug, every quarterback is going to have some type of mobility to them. We're not going to see Matt Ryan and Tom Brady's in the league in five or six years.

There's no more quarterbacks like that coming up. Everybody is mobile. And so that will be the norm moving forward. So, yes, I believe they can get it done because it's a new area. and a new athlete of quarterback in the National Football League, eventually it's going to happen. And I believe if the Eagles are in that position, they don't get it done.

They have a really good team. Yeah, Jaylen Hertz is a quarterback. Yeah, they have good receivers, but that offensive line is really good. On the defensive side of the ball, they're good at every level. They're good up front. They're good at the linebackers,

and they're good on the back end, especially if Gardner Johnson doesn't miss a lot of time because, you know, he got hurt this past weekend. He got a lacerated kidney. It just came out. He's got a lacerated kidney. That feels like that's going to keep him out of it. They're a loaded team.

And, yeah, Jayland Hurt gets a lot of the credit because he's a quarterback. But if you look at their team, where's the weakness? Special teams. Exactly. So if you've got to go to special teams, you have a really good team. Yeah. I tend to agree with you. Tua, obviously, is statistically playing an amazing level.

But now they're going to go on the road. New England, Buffalo, cold weather, and the question with him has always been, he's not terribly mobile, and arm strength. What do you think of how Tua has played? Man, Tua's been unbelievable. And I thought he would be. I said it before the season started.

I expect Tua to play extremely well. You just don't play the way he played in college and forget how to play. He has a coach that believes in him. He didn't have that before. and so your mind is so powerful. Mike McDaniels coming in there and showing Tua that I believe in you, he's a different player.

You got Tyreek Hill, the same type of weapons that he had at Alabama. Tua is basically who I thought he would be when he came into the league. He was saying he was a bus. People were saying he was a bus. And it just goes to show you. Coaching matters in the NFL. It really matters. And Mike McDaniels has done a great job with him.

But with that being said, these next three games, they're not easy. You got to play 49ers, you got to play the bills. You've got to play Gingland, all on the road. This will show what Tua is about in this whole team, because it's not just going to be about him, but you're playing three really, you already beat the bills. Tua's never lost the Bill Bullochick. Is that not crazy?

He's never lost. And so I like Tua, but there's still a lot of football left to be played. I don't know if people remember. Okay. I don't people remember, but I was guest hosting for Colin, and you came on and said, Tom Brady, and this is like two months before he actually left. He said Tom Brady's played his last game to England. He ain't going to play there. So obviously, you know some of what's going on in that camp. What's he do next year?

I know for a, there's no way. There's no way, Doug, you get a divorce and you retire. There's no way. Like, why would you? I mean, you. You lost your wife because you want to play football. So one thing for certain, he's going to play. Why would you not play? And your wife is no longer your wife because she wanted you to retire and you did not. I don't know if he stays in Tampa Bay. But if you don't stay in Tampa Bay, where do you go that you can possibly win another ring?

Miami will no longer be an option. Would the 49ers be not like that's the key? where do you go where you have a chance? I believe Tapla is still a possibility, but the way the Bucks look this year, it's like something's missing. What's going on? Is it the chaos of his personal life?

I don't know, but there's just no way Tom Brady does not come back and play another year considering what he has gone through on the personal side of his life. I will tell you that Josh McDaniels is in Vegas. Um, not, not, it's, you know, that almost happened before. Now, what happened, Doug? Huh?

If they get rid of Derek Carr, but they have a top five pick, do they draft quarterback, or would they get time Brady, uh, in free agency or via trade? How, how would that work, you think? I don't, I don't know. Um, all right. Last thing. Uh, how Lakers is going to lose that game last night? I mean, you're up, you up, you're up 17 and dudes are, they're kind of clowning. in a little bit. You got guys come up the bench,

making celebrations and they make shots, and then you lose to the Pacers. How are you going to lose that game last night? Twowning a little bit. When they went up, it felt like they thought the game was over. But you could tell, like,

I watched the game. The Pacer, they kept fighting. The Lakers just couldn't put them away. When Miles Turner missed that three and Holly Burton got the rebound, I said, man, they better just stick to somebody. They don't have much time. And then,

was that he went to Gonzaga the little dude to hit the three didn't he yeah he went to Florida then Gonzaga his brother's point guard of Creighton yeah he's uh yeah and so it's only fit man we just we when I say we the Lakers just look like this is gonna be a terrible year man it's only fit and they got to figure this out man because when you're up 17 in a fourth quarter you shouldn't lose the game not when you have Anthony Davis lebron james and westwood westbrook on your team because Westbrook is playing better now He played well last night. Anthony Davis is playing well.

Anthony Davis played well. You should not lose that game with those guys on your team in a fourth quarter. It should not happen. No, you should not. Who's your best? Enjoy the soccer day. We'll talk more soon. Thanks for joining us.

Take care, bro. Appreciate it. That's a former pro bowler. You hear him up on game. T.J. Hushman Zada. All right. We'll do Hirdline News upcoming next.

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I'm going to speak for all non-super fanboy watching soccer today in a moment. But first, let's get to Ryan Music with the news. is the herd line news. Morning to you, Ryan. What do you got? Good morning to you, Doug. Always good to be here with you. Let's start with some NFL. You touched on this with your boy, T.J. Hushman Zada. Packer season's basically on life support at this point. Aaron Rogers is banged up. He's had a thumb injury he's been dealing with for a few weeks now. Now a rib injury

he suffered after taking some hits against the Eagles on Sunday night. For the first time, we saw some flashes of their young backup. Jordan Love, leading some to believe maybe it's time to put Rogers on the shelf and give Love a shot. But head coach Matt LaFleur says, hang on a second, telling reporters they're waiting on the full test results of this rib injury. But if he's clear to play, he will start their next game against the Bears. Where are you at on this whole sitting Rogers and seeing what they have in Jordan Love? T.J. Hoos sounded like that's the way he was leaning. He wants to see some Jordan Love. I like to see Jordan Love as well, but if you keep in mind that they have Chicago coming up,

then a by week, right? And a lot of can change in those two weeks in terms of somebody coming back to Earth it's it it seems far fetched based upon how they played that they'll run off, they'll win the rest of their games and get into the playoffs. But it's not crazy

it's not crazy considering that when they're right, I mean offense wasn't really the problem the other night. Obviously Rogers turnovers were a major issue. But

I still think that Aaron Rogers is healthy, you have them play, and then you got the buy week, and if they somehow lose to Chicago, well, then you have plenty of time to get Jordan Love up and going. Look, here's the thing. You're only judging Jordan Love based upon the fifth year option, and you want to see him with live bullets. I think you will this year, but you're going to have Aaron Rogers next year, and he's got to continue to develop with these young wide receivers. So I'm on the team right. You pay a guy that much money. He plays if he can, if he can walk, he plays. That's my perspective. Fair enough. We'll wrap it up with this, Doug.

The Lakers were riding high, winning five out of the last six games, going into last night's game against the Pacers. Things were looking great. Up 17 in the fourth quarter until that lead slowly started slipping away. And then, well, this happened on the Pacers Radio Network. Turner is wide open, but he missed short with a three. Rebound Halliburton, three seconds to go, drives to the wing. Nemhart beat the clock, and it's over. Nimhart beat the clock with a three from out on the left edge as time expires. That's right, the Lakers dropping that fourth quarter lead, losing the game.

The raw totals look decent for LeBron James, scoring 21, grabbing seven rebounds, but dig a little deeper. They're not so pretty. he finished shooting 36% from the field, specifically two of eight in the fourth quarter, Doug. Adding insult to injury, he was the closest defender on that game-winning shot for the Pacers. He was, and, I mean, he challenged a shot, but he's a little far off, but I think he was helping the lane. I mean, the big thing is, if you watch LeBron play, he finally looks like he's his age. And, again, you have to be fair.

You've got to contextualize it. You're like, oh, look at the points. Like, he just doesn't move the way he used to move. Nobody does it 37, right? Even he's a freak, he's an X-Men, he's a freak of nature. He's not moving the same. And so he's a bit of a liability at times defensively. He's still a very effective offensive player,

but like most older dudes, he becomes more kind of catch and shoot. And when he's not hitting, the numbers aren't great. I think, like, look, the flaw to this team is they just don't have a great bench. They don't have a lot of help. And, you know, when they're playing some of those bench guys, trying to close up shop, they're just not that good. And I think that's an issue along with LeBron's lack of mobility. But remember, this is the easy part of their schedule.

Take a look at after the next couple of months. They still haven't played. They got a road trip up coming, I think, next week. Then we'll see what this team is really all about. And I don't think the returns are going to be great. And that's right. Music with the News. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. So let's just kind of call it. Like, I started the show by talking about the fact that you don't always have to be result-oriented watching Kenny Pickett play or watching Jeff Saturday coach. But not all sporting events and sports are created the same. One of the hard parts about soccer is you can badly outplay a team and, you know, give up a stray goal and lose or tie. Like that can happen. It does happen.

It's kind of one of the frustrating things about the sport. if you're not truly invested in the sport. But this, we're on the rise. We're on the, like, if you can't beat Iran today, I just don't want to hear it. I just don't. Do I think our national program seems to be in a better place now? Sure.

And I'm willing to believe that we have young players and that we're one World Cup cycle away. But it's not like we're playing Germany. It's not like we're playing Spain or Argentina or Brazil. is that we're playing Iran. Who, one, like, emotionally, we should be at a peak level. That's an easy country to dislike, to hate nonetheless. And two, it's a country we should be better than.

So here's the thing. If they don't win, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear about soccer on the rise. I just don't want to hear it. This is the best possible scenario. because before it was everybody thought coming in it was you know you'd have to beat iran on aggregate to get to the next round now you just got to win was the raider saying just win baby

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