The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Cowboys should win tonight

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

Colin looks at the Cowboys ahead of their game against the Giants on Thursday Night Football and why we can't get distracted from the real problems Dallas has He gives his top 10 list ranking the most... clutch QBs in the NFL right now Don't confuse great story with great quarterbackSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:26 hour from now. J. Mack, um, I'm so excited to do today's show. Drew Breeze stops by as well. I was thinking about this. Dallas is going to win tonight. Lock it up.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Yes, sir. So Dallas is going to win tonight because on these Thursday night games, just take the better quarterback. Dak is 12 and 2 against the Giants. Daniel Jones, 1 and 7 against Dallas. Aaron Rogers won big on Thursday night. Josh Allen, one big on Thursday night. Dack's going to win.
Starting point is 00:04:01 I don't know. I think it's a touchdown game. Dax's going to win tonight. You don't have time to do a lot of prep for Thursday night. Not a lot of surprises. Not a lot of zigzag. Best quarterback's going to win the game. I'm going to take Dack and the Cowboys to win by a touchdown. And, you know, but it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:04:17 They may look even really good winning. I'm going to go like 2413. C.D. Lamb. Maybe I have a couple tutties. I think Michael Parsons going to have a couple sacks. And the defense. Yeah. No movement.
Starting point is 00:04:31 movement up front. That's because the Giants don't have a bunch of a run game. But don't let it cloud the fact that the last five playoff teams, Dallas's face, they're one and four, Baltimore, Buffalo, Green Bay, Detroit, Miami. They're one and four in a bad call against the Lions from being 0 and 5 and been routed in most of them. So don't let the win tonight, and they're going to win tonight. Don't let it freak you out. So I thought, you know, I do about four times during the season. I do a Super Bowl bubble. and so let's just look. This is week four, the start of week four,
Starting point is 00:05:04 and this is currently my Super Bowl bubble. For the radio audience, I have six teams, seven teams inside the bubble, their favorites. Kansas City, Buffalo, Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, yeah, I buy the Vikings, Baltimore, San Francisco. I have the Jets, the Seahawks,
Starting point is 00:05:21 and the Philadelphia. I'm letting them lean on the fence at this ranch. I'm letting them lean on the fence. I may let them into the process. property. Dallas, I don't even have the Saints on this, and they crushed Dallas and Dallas, blew them out, right? So this is, Dallas isn't even allowed into the county lines here. So we're not even, I don't even think they're close. And I've said this before. I think it used to be in the
Starting point is 00:05:45 NFL that quirky and weird, you know, Jerry Glanville, a little over-the-top guy, Dennis Green. I think a quirky and different and unique, Sam Weish, you can get to Super Bowls. You can win a division. You can win a lot of games. I think the NFL's gotten smarter, more sophisticated, more business-like, more analytics, though it's not baseball or it's made the game boring. But I think with the NFL, family-owned and operated, that used to be like prideful. Hey, we're family-owned and operated. That's for a deli. I don't think that works. I think you have to be staying cronkey and be the biggest residential and commercial real estate owner in America,
Starting point is 00:06:30 maybe the world. That's what you need now. Family owned and operated is like the Raiders. Like, I don't know. Does that feel robust dynamic? I've said, the NFL allowed quirky, and this happens all the time in a lot of businesses. Quarky and weird is okay.
Starting point is 00:06:51 In Hollywood, that used to play. And now it's like the Avengers. part nine. It's basically the independent film. Yeah, finance it yourself with your money. And I think that's why Hollywood has slowed down. It's like big streamers and big movies, and we're not making anything else. And I think quirky and weird and highly emotional. I think that stuff, it doesn't, it's cute, but it just doesn't win enough. And I think that's what the Lakers have become. And I think it's what the Cowboys have become, family-owned businesses. and this is not a family-owned business league as much.
Starting point is 00:07:28 It's the biggest and the richest that are winning. And I look at today, if you look at the schedule for Dallas, let's be honest, it only gets tougher. This is the last layup. I thought Pittsburgh would be. Yeah, I was wrong about that. They're going to go 4-0. So at Pittsburgh against the league's best defense, oh, then it's the Lions, and then it's at San Francisco, and at Atlanta, and here's Philly and C.J. Stroud, and oh, crap, J. Daniels is good.
Starting point is 00:07:53 good, oh, Joe Burrow, this is the last lap. Cleveland was a lap. You thought the Saints would be a lap, got blown out. Baltimore wasn't lost, and then they have the Giants, Dax 12 and 2. So, and what's funny is, Dallas has always held themselves because of their regular season wins as sort of above the dysfunctional guys, you know, the losers. But Dallas has not won multiple playoff games in 29 years. So this morning I went and looked at the dysfunctional teams over 29 years and the Cowboys over 29 years. Let's take the Chicago Bears last 29 seasons.
Starting point is 00:08:35 They actually have two conference championship appearances. The Cowboys have none. Okay, okay. What about the Jaguars? Well, they actually have eight playoff wins. The Cowboys have five and 20s. years. They have three conference championships appearances.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Oh, the Cowboys have none. Okay, okay. But what about the Carolina Panthers? Those guys are a mess. That's a circus. They have almost double the playoff wins and four conference championship appearances. The Cowboys have none. All right, all right. Okay, you win
Starting point is 00:09:11 the argument, Colin. Give me the Raiders. Ooh. They have two conference championship appearances and almost the same number of playoff wins. Dallas, I know you look down at them. Last 29 years, you are them.
Starting point is 00:09:31 That's what you are. So don't go crazy with the win tonight. I'll go 2413 Cowboys. Micah Sack. C.D. Lamb, Big night. Dak, you know, doing Dax thing in a stand-alone game against the Giants. But Micah Parsons says,
Starting point is 00:09:49 he's tired of getting beat badly by good teams. I feel like as a competitor, at some point you've got to be prideful enough to say, hey, like, I'm not going to allow this to happen to me. Like, I just feel like some people are just allowing them to keep getting smack in the face. Like, when are you going to stand it up? All right. So, unfortunately, many of you are misguided and think I don't like Aaron Rogers,
Starting point is 00:10:18 but I did have them leaning on the fence in the Super Bowl bubble, not quite in the ranch, but petting the horses. Right, right. Put us some carrots over the fence. The dogs are barking at you. Dallas, I don't even let it down the driveway. But Aaron Rogers said something that's important. And it's really important because Aaron has experience with this
Starting point is 00:10:43 and the jets have none. and Aaron talks about, and he's totally right, and this is his real value, by the way. This is where Aaron Rogers is really valuable to the Jets. Aaron Rogers was important to the Packers. Jordan Love, Malik Willis, Brett Farr, Packers win a lot of games regardless. This is where Aaron's really important. Not about the losing.
Starting point is 00:11:07 It's now that the Jets are winning how to handle it. I go back to this quote a lot, but Mike McCarthy said our biggest struggle, is going to be handling success back in 2006 in Green Bay. And there's a lot to that. I think, you know, it's easier when you kind of getting kicked in the teeth to kind of come together. It's us against the world. It's us against the big bad media who's saying how bad we are.
Starting point is 00:11:32 You know, we can kind of come together. But can you still come together and have the same approach when everybody's kind of starting to sing your praises a little bit? I think that's the mark of a great team is can you handle the success part with the same focus, the same mentality, the same mindset, the same energy when you're starting to get on a little bit of a role. Aaron's right, and this is his real value, because Aaron is a winner, and the Jets aren't. And Jets fans, and Jets media, but mostly their fans, they're crazy town.
Starting point is 00:12:04 I mean, the Cowboys win 12 games every regular season, right? Three straight years, 12, 12, 12. real success until like January, but real success. And when Dallas Cowboy fans were polled in the athletic recently, 60% said we have no chance to win a Super Bowl. The New York Jets beat a rookie head coach Jacoby Brissette at home this past Thursday. And the mayor of New York, you know, if he wasn't being indicted, would have thrown a ticker tape parade. They're nuts. They're crazy.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Before the season, I said the Jets are a 9 to 10 win team. Buffalo wins the division. They'll battle Miami till the very end for a playoff spot. I feel the exact same. The exact same today. But if you go back to that Patriots game, and Aaron talks about restraining yourself, containing yourself, right, when you're winning.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Robert Sala, the head coach, was so enthusiastic in the second quarter just with a lead over the Patriots, Aaron Rogers. You remember the video, had to go, bro, bro, bro, bro, chill out. It's the Patriots. It's the second quarter. It's just, we're in the middle of the game. We're not the half time yet.
Starting point is 00:13:18 So maybe it's because the Jets share a city with the giants who have four trophies. Or their primary rival is the Patriots and they have six trophies. So maybe that Thursday night win a winning record is a big deal. I mean, if you never had any money and you want a scratch-off ticket for $1,500, it would be a big deal. If you're 44 years old, a guy you've never really, really had a serious girlfriend and you have a great date, it is a big deal. The giant success, the Patriot success. But when I look at Aaron, this is Aaron's real value. I mean, I looked this up this morning.
Starting point is 00:13:58 I still can't believe. The Jets haven't won the division in 22 years. This is the NFL. The Lions got to a conference championship last year. the Jaguars have been to three of those things, right, in 29 years. Jets haven't won a division in 22 years. So when Aaron says, chill, relax, it was a little condescending in Green Bay because they had more continuity and a better coach and more franchise momentum.
Starting point is 00:14:29 But when Aaron says R-E-L-A-X in New York, he's absolutely, in arguably correct. this head coach was freaking out with a lead on Thursday over Jacoby Berset, a team in New England that we had said before the season started, we'll have the number one pick next year. He's right on that, and that's his real value. All right, so yesterday on the show, we were talking about something. And J-MAC brought this up, one of his very decisive, his wisdom. We were talking about quarterback plays and how I, if it all matter,
Starting point is 00:15:09 in life for quarterbacks. I don't care about your talent, your resume. What I care about, a minute 45 left, fourth quarter, you trail on the road one time out. Who would you take, one through ten? So I'm going to do that next. And by the way, many of them are the best quarterbacks in the league. But that's the difference.
Starting point is 00:15:34 I don't care about your resume. I don't care about all that stuff. Buck 45, one timeout, trail by four, on the road. Gotta get it into the end zone. Not interested in field goals. Okay, so I'll do that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.
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Starting point is 00:20:11 you trail you're on the road, field goal doesn't win it one time out. Who would you take Gardner Minshu or Deshawn Watson? And I would say, I would take Gardner Minchew today. Would you take Baker Mayfield or Trevor Lawrence? I would take Baker Mayfield today. I don't care about your contract, your resume, your draft status. I don't care. Right now, I'd take Sam Darnold from what I've seen the first three weeks over a lot of quarterbacks who are viewed as better quarterbacks. And it's almost how you judge friends. A friend will help you move.
Starting point is 00:20:46 A great friend will help you move a body. I lived in Vegas. I'm not going to get into it. So there's a difference. And I judge it based on crisis. The all-time greats, Joe Montana, Brady, Elway, all did one thing in common. Some big, some small, some big arms, some mobile, not more.
Starting point is 00:21:08 One thing in common. Brady, Mahalms, Elway, great in crisis. A lot of guys are talented. They're not great in crisis. And so my top 10 quarterbacks, based on this premise, because that's what I'm paying for, I'm not paying for your resume. Jalen Hertz got a great resume. It turns the ball over too much.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Can I trust him? And now he lost a great center. And now he doesn't have A.J. Brown. Would I trust him today in a drive? Not really. Nick Sariani? Okay, so here we go. The king on this, he's the Elway.
Starting point is 00:21:44 He is the Brady of his generation. It's Mahomes, let's not argue it. That 44-yard game-tying drive with 13 seconds left is the greatest last second, limited time, scarcity drive in the history of football. And it really is defining, I mean, he's really, especially in the early years when he has, a high-powered offense. I mean, he trailed playoff games by two touchdowns. Nobody cared.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Didn't change the way you attacked him. Number two, and I think his superpower is, if you got to pick up yards down the field, best arm in the league, Josh Allen, also great scrambling. I think mobility matters a lot in that minute 45. Go to Mahomes as Super Bowl games. Mobility matters in these spots because stuff breaks down. Sometimes a Steve Spagnola is going to bring the house. Kirk Cousins, I love it. him, I don't get any mobility with him, Josh Allen too. Joe Burrow, I get just enough mobility, and I also think he got to a Super Bowl with road wins with an atrocious offensive line and was running for his life. That to me defined Burrow as less talent than maybe Mahomes, less physical,
Starting point is 00:22:53 wow, than Alan, but his ability to win with bad old lines, and we don't know if Zach Taylor can coach puts him at three. One spot ahead of a guy that doesn't give me the mobility of Burrow, Matt Stafford. But Stafford leads all quarterbacks currently playing with 36 fourth quarter comebacks. He had another one Sunday. This is, his superpower is like Mahomes. Arm angles, throw it from any platform.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I don't get mobility. And if the pocket collapses, he's in trouble. But I put him four. I put Aaron Rogers just a notch below because now Aaron is good. But I've never thought he's as great trailing as an L.Way, Mahomes, Brady. or a Matt Stafford. I will say, though, in the last two years, half his wins are game-winning drive. So he's gotten better at it.
Starting point is 00:23:40 A number six, and now it gets tricky because I feel strongly about the first five, probably CJ Stroud. Now, I don't have a big resume to work with. And he's had a couple stinkers. These young quarterbacks, Minnesota game, they have stinkers. It goes sideways fast for these young quarterbacks. 75-yard game winning drive, 40 seconds against the bucks. Like, it's impressive.
Starting point is 00:24:01 I'm sorry. Greg CoSell talks about it this week, last week. The kid's just different. I would say number seven. Again, I don't have a huge resume, but I love Jordan Love. He had three game winning drives last year in his first full season as a starter. And in the playoffs, as his first time go to the playoffs, he had a 99 passer rating and 67% completion ratio with the youngest roster since the 1970 Buffalo Bills in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:24:29 I know it's young, but between LaFleur, the youth, his mobility. Now, he's going to have, again, he's going to throw some picks. He's more far than Aaron Rogers. He's got some gunslinger in him, but I would put him seven. I will tell you, this is where Brock Purdy won me over last week. Last week was the proving point. No Christian McCaffrey, no Debo, no Kittle.
Starting point is 00:24:50 Again, Stafford and McVeigh, he didn't win the game, but he won me over. I was like, wow. And by the way, Brock Purdy, highest fourth quarter pass rating in league history. That's something, folks. I don't know if it's because Shanahan. That's the highest fourth quarter passer rating in the history of the league. I know, I know. He hasn't played a lot.
Starting point is 00:25:12 He's played enough to know. Some of that's relevant. Number nine, I may criticize Dak, but he was 3 and 0 in one score games last year. Now they get their teeth kicked in about four times a year. In the blowouts, he can be ugly. But in close games, Dak's a grown-up. Dak generally throws to the right guy. I don't think he has the biggest arm.
Starting point is 00:25:31 He doesn't move around like Kyler Murray. But I just trust the IQ, the EQ. You know, the intangibles for DAC are better than the tangibles. But in Tangibles, Eli Manning was like that. I didn't love Eli. I loved him in a minute 40 to go. I loved him in Super Bowls. Dak's got some of that quality.
Starting point is 00:25:50 I always trust Dak in tight spots. His limitations aren't his ability to maneuver late. Number 10 by a nose, Lamar Jackson over Jared Goff. Gough gives me no mobility. If the pocket breaks down, you're done. Now, Lamar hasn't been as successful as you think he has late, but it should be noted in the last two minutes of his career. Lamar is a 120 passer rating.
Starting point is 00:26:12 I hate to break it to you. He's good there. Now, I do not think he throws from the pocket as well as an errand or a Stafford or a Mahomes and sometimes not as good as Dak. But I love his ability to just make stuff up. So I do give Josh Allen improvisation. Lamar Jackson, it does matter. Jared Goff would be 11, then you get into the Jalen Hurt stuff.
Starting point is 00:26:37 But these are the guys. I don't care about resume, playoff appearance, I don't care. Who do you trust? On the road, need a tutty, minute 45, one timeout and facing a decent defense. I'm not saying you're facing spags and the Chiefs, but you're facing a defense that can create a pass rush. This is, and I will say this with Aaron and Stafford. They may not move as well, but they are so good pre-snap that they can alleviate stuff. Whereas Jared Goff, I don't think, moves as well as those two, and I don't think he's as good pre-snap.
Starting point is 00:27:11 So there's my top 10, and yes, I have Purdy and Dak in there. So again, this is not about arm, it's not about size, it's not about, it's just, who do I trust? And what you'll see with these 10 guys, you mostly get grown-ups. There's 10-for-10 grown-ups. guys that love football, live football, obsessed by football, all in on football, not distracted by anything else. A lot of grownups here. And I know Aaron in the off season goes to Egypt, but in the season, Aaron's buttoned up in the season.
Starting point is 00:27:43 And that's what I really, you know, you want to go to Costa Rica and hang out for a month and disappear. I'm not going to spend a lot of time. I don't care about that stuff. Not that much. All right, Jay Mack, anything jump out at you? I went over to pro football reference. I think you'd be surprised which quarterback led the NFPA. last year in game-winning drives in the fourth quarter overtime, and he is not in your top
Starting point is 00:28:03 10, and you did not mention him once. Who is it? Geno Smith, topping Josh Allen and Jalen Hertz, who were tied at four. But if I said to you, I just said to you, top of mind, give me the last great Gino Road fourth quarter comeback. Anything pop into your head? That's it. So, again, stats and, you know, it's one thing at home to be beaten there is.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Arizona. What Gino doesn't come top of mind. Now, I will say, Gino is a very accurate quarterback. We just have to get over this. That dude stands in the pocket and throws 73% darts. I've been harder on Gino because I do think there's a ceiling with him. And so I didn't mention him. I would have Purdy a little higher. I would have Stafford probably at two. When I showed this to the guys on the facility, they all went, Stafford's 1A after Mahomes. Stafford's a man, dude. He's so good. Come on.
Starting point is 00:29:02 J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, we glossed over Patrick Mahomes at the top of your list. Well, his top target for many years, Travis Kelsey is off to an abysible start. Colin, he has eight catches for 69. Everybody's favorite number.
Starting point is 00:29:21 69 yards, no touchdowns. Kelsey, though, was asked about it. He's not worried about it because the only stat he cares about winning. I've had a lot of catches in this league, man. I'm not worried about, you know, the catches and the yards and all of that. I have the most fun when I get the ball thrown my way. I mean, who doesn't? Execution feels emotion.
Starting point is 00:29:41 It has everything to do with execution, just making sure that we're doing whatever we can to win these football games, man. That's always going to be the goal. Okay, so I talked to a league executive last night regarding this, and his take was, He had a great off season. He is playing himself in the great shape, and he'll probably do it. But the sense was, don't see a lot of separation. He has been distracted. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:30:06 But the takeaway was when you looked at early film is not a lot of separation. You don't see the juice and the speed. I don't see any of it. Now, let's point out his age, Colin. So he is 34 right now. He's approaching that age when you start to think. about retirement. I think he's got two more good years. Tight ends age faster than receivers often because of the blocking and the injuries. He's had multiple surgeries. I went to pro football
Starting point is 00:30:35 reference just now and Shannon Sharp retired at 35. Tony Gonzalez 37. Greg Olson 35. Grunk, 29 came back. Retired at 32. So Kelsey's in that sweet spot. Let me defend Kelsey a little bit here is that I do believe Kansas City early in this season is trying to get worthy up to speed and Rishi Rice as a defined number one. Last year, let's be honest, it's kind of shocking they won the Super Bowl. They're the worst receiving core in the league. So I think between Worthy, between Watson, Ju-Juju Smith has now come back. So what I think they're doing is thinking to themselves, we got a little experimentation early
Starting point is 00:31:19 We want to get the receiving core right. We trust Kelsey later. So I'm going to give them a little pass on this is I think the worthy thing is a work in progress. I think Juju Smith-Schuster just came back. That's a bit of a work in progress. And Rishi Rice was never viewed as a one until this year. I think they've spent a lot of time.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Really, I mean, you saw the last game they played. They're defining Rishi as a one. And they want to make sure that he knows he's a one. So there's a little, this is a process for them. and I'll defend him a little on that. So Kelsey turns 35 in like 10 days. Yeah. Multiple surgeries.
Starting point is 00:31:56 If they win the Super Bowl, there's no better way to walk away than on top with three straight Super Bowls. What does he have left to prove? Nothing. He can go do his acting and his podcast and travel the world with Taylor Swift. Like, I would not be shocked
Starting point is 00:32:10 if he retired after this season. What does he have left to prove, Colin? If they win another Super Bowl? Nothing. Yeah. I don't think he could be the greatest tight end of all time. And the podcast just got bought, so they got a lot of money. So he's fine.
Starting point is 00:32:24 I think he likes, I think here's what Travis sees. The NFL and the chiefs are a huge brand. Just keeping your face out there makes your endorsements double what they would be if you retired. You get $10 million for a shoe company instead of $5 because your face is there. And the bottom line is if your production goes down and now worthy becomes a legitimate two, you draft another receiver, they become a legitimate three. They've got another tight end now. There is value to having an Edelman, a gronk as an older player for January.
Starting point is 00:32:55 And that's what, that's all the chiefs. That's what the chiefs are about. I don't know Travis Kelsey, but it seems like he has a lot of interests outside of football that are kind of starting to mushroom up as his fame grows. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like, explore it, you know. Let's get to the Chicago Bears, Colin their offense has not been particularly crisp to start the season. Caleb Williams made a career in college.
Starting point is 00:33:18 out of just extending plays, a lot of that backyard football, highlight real stuff. But Caleb says he hasn't had the urge to start playing hero ball just yet in the NFL. I don't fight any feelings of that. You know, I'm more of a guy that, and I said this, I was talking to Shane this morning. I mean, like I just said before, communication-wise, just talking to him this morning. It was like, I got to throw the ball 50 times. I got to throw the ball 50 times. But if we're in a flow and we're running the ball,
Starting point is 00:33:48 We're getting four yards of pop on the play and things like that. You know, let's keep handing the ball off to our running backs and let them be special. Like I said, on Sunday after the game, whatever it takes to win the game is what I'm going to do and what I'm happy to do. I like that. And that's, I think the great quarterbacks may get their feelings hurt. Peyton Manning may get his feelings hurt. But if you go and say, we've got Edger and James. This week we're running.
Starting point is 00:34:14 I mean, like sometimes it is, and I do think it's hard for a Marine. Reno and Elway and Mahomes, but I think Patrick, especially once you've been paid, and as a number one pick, you got a little money there. I think once you get paid, you realize it's about wins. But I think when you're a young quarterback and haven't been paid, and like Lamar was going through that, am I going to get the money? It's like you do want to show your stuff and go, hey, hey, I can, let me throw more. But I do think the older you get, the more secure you get, you come to the realization.
Starting point is 00:34:44 W solve everything. You get three, four times the endorsements. Caleb Williams could throw 18 times a game for the next five years. If he reaches a conference championship, he'll have significantly more endorsements than throwing for 6,000 yards a year. Yeah, it's a mentality thing. I see what the defense is giving me. I'm just going to take it as opposed to I'm going to try to make a 50-yard bomb to DJ Moore.
Starting point is 00:35:07 I do recall Brock Purdy running around a lot against the Rams, remember in this past weekend? So there's a world where Caleb is doing that kind of thing. I don't love that. That's how you get hurt. You know this, Colin. You want your quarterback winning from the pocket, not scrambling around trying to outrun linebackers.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Jaden Daniels, remember first game, ran a lot. He's dialed it back, winning from the pocket. Yeah. Can Caleb do the same? Yeah, well, Jaden's offensive line's been better than Caleb's. Also true. Caleb's a lot running for safety. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:40 Final story, Colin, is tonight's game, New York Giants against the Cowboys. Daniel Jones, there he is. They stuck with him this offseason, despite they were looking at rookie quarterback's in the draft. New York one and two after the win over the Browns. And wide receiver Darius Slayton still believes in his quarterback thinking he can get back to the style of play that earned Jones's big contract. Slayton said, it's still in DJ. And I think there are times where you still see flashes of that where we spent two years of Giants coaches just trying to play defense and not make mistakes. Ask yourself this. How many quarterbacks in like year
Starting point is 00:36:16 five pop in the greatness? Do you know Smith? That's maybe it. He's not. popping into greatness. He made a Pro Bowl. They made the playoffs. He was excellent. That's not greatness. Two of them makes the playoffs. When's the last quarterback that went five, year five, you're like, that's an all-timer?
Starting point is 00:36:34 Oh, that doesn't, come on, that doesn't happen. Same in the NBA. You can tell you honest by year three, you're like, this guy's getting good real fast, and that was a slow build. Actually, Steph Curry's slow start due to the injuries and then came on, but I don't know, I don't think he needs to be an all-timer. He's just got to be better than what he has.
Starting point is 00:36:50 been right. Well, for what you're paying him and the commitment, you need to playoff quarterback. This division's worse than people think. Dallas is regressing. Washington's been dysfunctional. Philadelphia doesn't probably have the right coach. It's got to be a playoff quarterback in this division. But this is not the NFC
Starting point is 00:37:05 north where between Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay, you have three of the best offenses potentially in the league. That's not what this division is. They're dysfunction all over this. You've got to get to the playoffs if you're a legitimate franchise quarterback. I mean, good God, Mitch Tribesky got to it twice, and Aaron and Stafford were in the division.
Starting point is 00:37:23 I don't think he won either of them, right? Well, I think Daniel's better than Mitch, but I think... Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, he throws a better ball. Again, I know I'm a Giants hater, but I will give Jones credit. Last two weeks, two touchdowns, zero giveaways, back-to-back weeks for the first time in his career. So... That's fair.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Well done, Danny Dimes. I don't need to be negative on this show. Go Cowboys. I think we like it more than his GM, according to HBO Max. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard line.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
Starting point is 00:38:24 I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play.
Starting point is 00:38:47 the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.
Starting point is 00:39:20 He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If a baby is giggling in the back seat, they're probably happy. If a baby is crying in the back seat, they're probably hungry. But if a baby is sleeping in the back seat, Will you remember they're even there?
Starting point is 00:39:50 When you're distracted, stressed, or not usually the one who drives them, the chances of forgetting them in the back seat are much higher. It can happen to anyone. Parked cars get hot fast and can be deadly. So get in the habit of checking the back seat when you leave. The message from NHTSA and the Ad Council. It's your responsibility to not just seek help, but to identify that you need help.
Starting point is 00:40:12 This is Mental Health Awareness Month. Tune in to the podcast Just Healed with Dr. J. take real steps toward healing, growth, and becoming your best self. When you hear the word healing, what does that mean for you? What came right back to mine are the three P's that I live by. I'll go through the process of healing so that patience, that perseverance, and that prayer equals healing to me. From understanding your mental health to doing the work, we break down practical tools, real conversations, and the mindset shifts you need to move forward and thrive. You matter too.
Starting point is 00:40:45 Your mental health is your responsibility. Not your wife. Not your partner. Not your children. Not the church. Not the pastor. Not the council. It's your responsibility.
Starting point is 00:40:55 It's time to stop putting your healing on hold and start doing something about it. Listen to Just Here With Dr. J on the IHeartRadio app. Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Jared Adano. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help! Somebody! But there's so much more to me than me.
Starting point is 00:41:17 I'm an actor. I'm a comedian, and recently I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope I'm a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, and recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man.
Starting point is 00:41:42 If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, let it ring twice. One ring is too scary. Oh, cream a chicken suit. Hey, cream a chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrat as part of the Mike Coutura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Saturday, it's baseball night in America on Fox with the postseason on the horizon. Francisco Lindor and the Mets seek a crucial win against the Brewers,
Starting point is 00:42:17 or Gunner Henderson and the Orioles take on Carlos Correa and a twin squad in desperate need of a win. Don't miss the action. Saturday at 7 Eastern on Fox, check for the game in your area. So, Steeler fans who've lowered their standards over the years of just accepting, hey, we're not under 500. But I do think it's a well-run franchise. And Mike Tomlin, like a Pete Carroll, is going to get Hall of Fame votes.
Starting point is 00:42:41 And if they ended up there, no problem at all. Mike's Pete or smart guys. But the Steelers' offense is bad. And one of the criticisms I have had about defensive coaches, they don't sense the urgency that offensive coaches do. Pete Carroll, Gino and Drew Locke are good enough. No, they're not. Sean McVeigh moved off Jared Gough,
Starting point is 00:43:01 who's significantly better than Gino and Drew Locke. Andy Reid moved off Alex Smith, who was getting Kansas City to the playoffs for a rookie. with a losing record from the Big 12. Like Ron Rivera, Sam Howell can get me there. Belichick, I won't cater to Tom Brady. Sean Payton, one year of Russell,
Starting point is 00:43:21 get him out of here. So it's different. So here's my question. The Steelers are going to go 4-0. They're going to beat Indianapolis. Anthony Richardson's not moving the chains, not moving the sticks against this team. They're going to be 4-0.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Meaning they can be 500 the rest of the year and win 6-10. and six heading into the final game. So what happens if Justin Fields goes? 10 and 7, 11 and 6. Is he the guy? Don't confuse great story with great quarterback. Baker's Redemption, Gino's Redemption, Derek Carr, Justin Fields now. It's a great story. They're not great quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:44:04 And in a division with Lamar and Burrow, in a conference with Josh Allen and Mahomes, you need a great quarterback. C.J. Stroud is a great quarterback. Baker, Gino, and Justin Fields, this is a great story. It's encouraging. It's a story of redemption. And now, here's the good news for Pittsburgh. They got to the playoffs with Kenny Pickett and dumped him. So that's an encouraging sign is that they didn't just go,
Starting point is 00:44:33 well, we made the playoffs. You get that a lot, I feel like, with defensive coaches. but what if Justin gets them to the playoffs? Well, Mitch Trubisky made the playoffs twice. You're going to make him the future of the franchise? He got to the playoffs twice with Stafford and Aaron Rogers in his division in their prime. So that's the thing with Justin Fields.
Starting point is 00:44:55 If you look at the schedule right now for the Pittsburgh Steelers, this is the last layup. Dallas, well, no, it shouldn't say that. They face the Raiders. But there's some real toughies here. it's Dallas, it's Aaron Rogers, Jaden Daniels now, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burroughs coming up, Philadelphia, the end of the season, this has always been about the end of the season. Atlanta, Kirk Cousins, couldn't move in week one, bit of a layup, Denver rookie quarterback, bit of a layup,
Starting point is 00:45:27 Justin Herbert, 50%, a little bit of a layup. In Indianapolis, I don't care where that game's at, Anthony Richardson, and they really struggle to move the ball. so it just can't be about well we made the playoffs don't confuse great story with great quarterback Lamar Burrow in the division
Starting point is 00:45:44 great stories aren't doing over the course of six seven years they're not doing anything and I'm not even counting yet Herbert when he gets healthy with Jim Harbaugh that feels like it could be great here's Mike Tomlin on the relationship and his young quarterback Justin Fields
Starting point is 00:46:03 I want him to see him improve in all areas to be quite honest with you. You know, knowing what those areas of need and improvement are are difficult sometimes when you don't have a shared experience. And so a component of me getting to know him is just maintaining that posture, challenging him to improve in all areas. And as we gain more experience together, I'll be able to narrow that focus on things that become repetitive or trending.
Starting point is 00:46:30 He's so good at a microphone. Caitlin Clark season wrapped up last night. Her team lost. WNBA doesn't quite know how to officiate her, how to market her, how to promote her, whatever. She called her first season solid. It was more than that. Here's what's amazing, though, about Caitlin Clark.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Is that because the college basketball season, if you're on a good team like Caitlin was, ends in early April. The draft, and then the camp starts in the WNBA, April 28th. You get no break. So Caitlin was exhausted. It's not the way the NBA works. Get two, three months, rest, combine. So it's now the season's shorter than the NBA season, but you get no rest, your final four, elite eight, into draft, go play. So Caitlin Clark, in the first half of the season, before the Olympic break, what's remarkable is how much she improved.
Starting point is 00:47:28 So before the Olympic break, she was 17, 8 a game, and not shooting particularly well and a lot of turnovers. after the break. She's one of the best players in the league. Nine assists. Her shooting went through the roof considerably, and then 23 a game. She got MVP votes. So that is something.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Think how great Janice is. He was slow build. Think how good Yokic was. Slow build. Didn't come to the state's first year, right? Like stayed over there. Those are great all-time players. There's three, to give you an NBA comp,
Starting point is 00:48:06 on what she did, how phenomenal it is. The three NBA players I look at, and this is almost always a sign of a dominant player, in the NBA. Now, when you're an NBA player, you come out of high school or one year of college, you don't even have the travel right, your nutrition right,
Starting point is 00:48:22 you know, you can't drink in the hotel bar. It's a lot. But there's three NBA players that literally exploded in their rookie year once they got their legs under them. And LeBron and Wembe. We're different players.
Starting point is 00:48:36 at the end of the year than they were in the first week. It took LeBron two months. It took Wemby three months, and it took Aunt the All-Star game. Ant was like a completely different player. And you're like, oh, he's not just a talented kid from a football school. It's like, this guy's going to be unbelievable a year or two. And I think that's really something. That's a sign of guaranteed.
Starting point is 00:48:55 And we see this in the NFL. Second game, C.J. Stroud plays. Whoa. Okay, the first game, he's trying to get his sea legs. It's not exhibition season. Second game, you're like, wow. Kyler Murray. Justin Herbert, you know.
Starting point is 00:49:08 So Caitlin Clark's ascension in season is Aunt LeBron and Wembe. She was a completely different player at the end of the year. Even great players in this league, the Jason Tatum's, the Janus, the Yokic. There's a lot of slow-growth stuff because guys coming to the league young. Here was Caitlin on her season and her future. Good little taste of, you know, what's possible for this organization and for this franchise. and there's a lot for us to hold our heads high about. You know, this team won five games two years ago.
Starting point is 00:49:44 So we're a young group, a pretty inexperienced group. But we came together and had a lot of fun playing with one another. And that's sometimes the worst part of it is like you feel like you're really playing your best basketball and then it has to end. But like I said, proud of this group, stayed resilient all year and had a lot of fun together. I mean, the Aunt Edwards comp is real. Like before the All-Star game, Ant was 50 in a game after it. He was 24 and more efficient.
Starting point is 00:50:12 He jumped and dunked both sides. But it was like Ant just was absolutely different. After he got a little break, took a deep breath. It was like, whoa, this kid is like, he's going to lead the NBA in scoring. So even for the greatest players, it takes a few weeks or months. So I give the WNBA players that come out of. college, the rookies, they're just not ready for it. They've got to figure out the pace and the travel, emotional, the physicality, the pacing.
Starting point is 00:50:41 So she's really good. To pop like that is something. She is really a player. Again, the league doesn't quite know how to officiate her. There's a lot of bad actors in some of these towns with WNBA players. I mean, give me a break. She's not the first person as a rookie to be pushed around. Go ask Michael Jordan.
Starting point is 00:50:59 Go ask Bryce Harper. Like some of the stuff, people are just, she'll be fine. I think year two will feel different. Legal probably blow some early whistles, the push and shove and will. But Bryce Harper, two, three years in, was still dealing with nonsense. Fighting with his own teammates in the dugout. Greg CoSell, hour two, live in L.A., it's the herd. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite,
Starting point is 00:51:24 unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman helped make you. You funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.
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