The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Curry, Warriors-Celtics, Murray

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

Steph Curry doesn't shrink in the Finals The Cardinals and Kyler Murray still don't have a deal done Do the Boston Celtics believe in themselves? Guest: Albert BreerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Little NFL today as well. Warriors favored. A lot of people like the Celtics. Joy Taylor is joining me as we now. The NBA does this. I don't love it, but I get it. So we'll have game one tonight on Thursday,

game two on Sunday night, game three on Wednesday. I think game four is on that Friday. So this is going to be like three weeks to get through seven games. It drives me crazy, especially. Be one thing if we were in the middle of a college football season every other day. We sit around and wait for games. But, you know, this is the way you have to play the game as a network.

you just keep stretching it out and stretching it out and building this momentum. They definitely take their time, but I am excited for this finals. I am. I think the best offense, the best defense. So there is this belief that Steph Curry shrinks in the finals. And I've come to a point in my life.

I think when I was in my 20s and 30s, and I don't know the psychological reason why, but I would argue my way. I believe this, and now I just don't. I mean, I roll my eyes. Last night I went with two friends and had a couple beers and some food at a lounge we like. And there was a guy there. It's like, everybody's leaving California.

It's not even as big as Texas. And I said, no, it's got twice the population of Texas. Well, people, New York. No, it's got twice the population. You have Florida. No, it's got about 10 million more people than Florida and 10, 12 million more people than Texas. It's fine. People are moving because it's really expensive.

We have tech. Tech explosion is centered in California. our gas has doubled, our houses have doubled. I think our gas is triple. It's really expensive here. Way too expensive for average. People with average jobs and a lot of people move. 200,000 people have moved in the last like three years.

It's expensive here. But if you want to believe it's because of, you know, we're crazy out here, then you go ahead and believe it. I'm not going to defend it. Go ahead. And I find the same with Steph Curry. If you don't get it, you don't get it. But here's all you need to know.

If you look at his career numbers and his final numbers, I'll just put him on the page for you. He averages more in the finals than the regular season, more rebounds in the finals than his career average, assists are the same. Now, here's what happens. His shooting efficiency goes down. Now, his free throws don't, so it's not in his head.

Why would his shooting efficiency go down? Yeah, because he shrinks. No, it's because the warriors ask him to shoot more and play more minutes in the finals. Because they often win games by blowouts. out, right? The Warriors blow people out with three-ball shooting. But in the finals, they ask him to play two and a half more minutes, and they ask him to take more shots. They ask him to take two and a half more shots and play five more minutes against the best team in the league on the other side.

Yes, his efficiency goes down. So, you know, whatever anybody says about your kids, you know your kids better than the teachers do, their bosses do, you know your kids. The Warriors know who Steph Curry is. And when the finals hit, they ask him to play more and shoot more. Yes, so his efficiency goes down. It should be noted when you play really good defensive teams, ask Kevin Durant against the Celtics. He wasn't very good. Ask Luca against the Warriors defense. His efficiency plummeted. That's what happens. Tom Brady's the best quarterback of all time. In his first nine Super Bowls, he did not throw a touchdown pass in any of them in the first quarter. He throws touchdown passes in the first quarter all the time. It's called the Jets. It's called the Dolphins.

It's called the average teams in the NFL. His first nine of ten Super Bowls never had a single first quarter touchdown pass. It wasn't until Tampa Gronk his 10th. He has now won. By the way, Tom Brady, the best quarterback ever, has a 97 passer rating the Super Bowl. That would have ranked 12th in the NFL last year. It's amazing. He's not quite as dominant against the second best or first best team in the league as he is against Jacksonville or Detroit or the Jets. And so you can think whatever you want about Steph Curry. But the Warriors ask him to play more and shoot more in the biggest games of the year. You know your kids better than anybody else.

Who do you give the money to? Who do you trust? You know the weaknesses and the strengths. They ask him to play more. And by the way, in the finals back in 2015, and we all know in the NBA more than any other sport. Stories matter. Russell Westbrook won an MVP. He's never made a single teammate better.

He goose his rebound stats. So in 2015, Steph average, 26 a game in the finals. It was 10 more than any other teammate. He led them in assists. He was the heart and soul of the offense. And they gave it to Andre Iguodala because he held LeBron to 36 points a game.

That is the weakest MVP in the finals of all time. And I like Andre Iguodala. But he held LeBron to 36 points a game. And because of that, he won the MVP. Steph averaged more than any other warrior by double digits, and he led him an assist, and he was to be. But here's what's going to happen in this series.

Boston, which shut down Kevin Durant, shut down Kyrie Irving, shut down the offense mostly for the Milwaukee box, shut down Bam on a bayou. I mean, they're pretty good. They're going to try to get the ball out of Steph's hands. They're going to trap him. They're going to try to get the ball out of his hands, and they have Marcus Smart, the NBA's defensive player of the year. And my guess is, Steph's going to average about 24, 25 points,

and his efficiency's going to be okay, and the Warriors are win. But that's what you face, when you're Tom Brady, when you're Steph Curry. But people are going to believe what they want to believe. Now, I do think, Steph, it would be great if he could have one of these iconic moments, like Magic's hooked down the lane against the Celtics, or LeBron's block. Remember that block in the finals?

MJ's switching hands right to the left. It would be great if he had one of those iconic moments. But the truth is, Steph's game, he's actually had several. But we don't look at three-pointers quite as difficult as running down the court and blocking it or a hook shot, which is kind of counterintuitive to what Magic actually did. So Steph is the fourth best fourth quarter score in league history in the finals. But he doesn't have that moment that we remember because so much of Steph looks similar. his threes, his motion, his ball handling. He doesn't have that one, that two iconic moments,

but he's the fourth best score in the fourth quarter ever. That's pretty good. He's right up there with LeBron and Michael Jordan, and I think it's Kobe. Maybe it's Kobe. So you can believe what you want to believe. I'm out, I feel like I've moved past the point in my life where I want to convince you that Steph is really, really good,

and the Warriors will really, really lean on him in the finals, and he will be the best offensive player in the finals and the best ball handler in the finals and the best leader in the finals. He will not be the best defensive player. But if his team wins the finals and you can remain a doubter and a shade thrower of Steph Curry, he is an all-time great, a top-10 player, should have already won an MVP in the finals. And my guess is he wins this year. Okay, so this is a story that we talked about it this week, earlier this week, that if you want something, go buy it. Don't sit around and wait. If you think something's good, there's no such

thing as perfect timing. Just invest in the stock market. It'll go up, it'll go down. You can't time the market. If you find a house you want, you want to wait to the economy's perfect. Just get the house. Is that where you want to live with your wife? Do you want to raise your kids in that neighborhood? Just buy the house. If you're trying to time stuff in life, good luck. I've been investing for years. You can't time the market. It's impossible. You know, everybody now, we're going into a recession. We've had 12 years of up. We've had a month of down. Now I'm told the market's no good.

Whatever. So I see this story that Kyler Murray decided to attend OTAs, which I like. Now, they're voluntary. So Lamar Jackson's not there. Aaron Rogers, not there. It's not the end of the world. They do have a mandatory OTA later, mandatory camp. He'll be at that.

But he decided, I think it's a good sign here, to go to voluntary OTAs. So let me ask you this for the people that are doubters on Kyler Murray. What is the big knock on him? His health, he's small. He has played 46 games in three years for the Cardinals and missed three. He's been available 94% of the time with a super physical division and I'll be kind here in evolving offensive line. 46 starts, three misses. You all want to give Zion five years guaranteed.

He's available 38% of the time. he got a big, strong body, it's never available. Kyler's small, always available. That's the big knock, health. And he's available 94% of the time. The second thing is, well, at the end of the year, I don't know, he's not quite as good. Couldn't I argue that's a Cliff Kingsbury issue?

I don't know. Does Kyler get slower at the end of the year? Or his ball's less accurate? Not really. He's gotten banged up a little, but he mostly plays. and Cliff Kingsbury, even in college, struggled in the second half of seasons. But if those are your two big concerns,

he only plays 94% of the games, and at the end of the year when he's banged up, he's not quite as effective, what in the world are you waiting for? I don't think he's going to last 18 years. I wouldn't offer him a 15-year contract. I'm offering him a five-year contract, and I believe in that five years,

he will still be in his prime. I don't think he's going to have the run, of Brady. He runs around too much. I don't think he's going to have, you know, the runway of Brett Farr, maybe, or a Joe Montana. It could look a lot more like Cam where he's red-hot for a while, takes too many shots. You know, Big Ben at the end didn't, you know, that didn't look like Brady at the end. But the idea that, well, he gets hurt at the end of the year. He's missed three starts in three years. He's gotten better every year, meaning he's got to be coachable. Are you trying to time the market on this thing?

Is that what Arizona is trying to do? Time the market. Well, we ain't given by three-year deal. You're not going to sign a three-year deal. He's going to sign a five-year deal. He's not going to sit around. Also, here's something else we talk about all the time. Seattle and his division's in a rebuild.

We don't know how good Trey Lance is. I'm told there's questions in the building. The NFC has never been weaker. It is go-time for Arizona. It is absolute go-time. Lock him in, five-year deal. Let's say you lock him in. He's happy now, right?

Get three more good years out of him. It's the NFL. If year four, you got issues, draft another quarterback. But this idea that I'm supposed to look at his size and his health and he declines, you guys watch this franchise before he showed up? I don't get it. And I haven't loved all this public stuff. I don't want to hear from his agent.

I don't want him going public. I don't like any of that stuff. His personality is different. Aaron's personality is different. He just got 50 large. But there are these moments for franchises to me that are go time, not no time. This is the moment. Divisions in flux.

He's really good. He's healthy now. What are we waiting for? We're trying to time the market? It doesn't exist. Invest in your 401K. Sometimes it'll go up. Sometimes it'll go down.

It grows pretty much if you keep in it for 25 years. It'll be worth a lot more than when you started it. You're not going to time it. You like the house. Just get it. Don't be paralyzed by interest rates. Do you like it? Get into it.

It's a good place to live. Make everybody happy. Be tight for a while. Arizona. Let's go. What are we waiting for here? Stop trying to time the market. All right.

A lot of stuff here. Quinn Cook, former warrior, is going to be joining us. Oh, oh, I saw something. I love this. So I saw something, you know, the media tends to have a disconnect with you, the people. I sometimes am disconnected, right? I think we can all admit that if we're in the media. Sometimes what we think is not what the American public thinks.

All right. So we have to acknowledge sometimes up here on our, you know, our pious shelf that sometimes we should listen. more and talk less and listen to the public. But I saw a member of the Celtic say something, and I bet the media just loves it. But Michael Jordan would attack it. That's coming up.

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athletes are like that guy's weak this is an interesting one so when i watch the celtics play my takeaway is they don't truly believe in themselves because they've lost a lot of big games with this group of guys over four and five years as as we often say on their shows something isn't something until it is. And they've never won the game. I saw it against Miami. They were a much better team than Miami. They jump out to a huge lead game seven in Miami and then just got tight and held on. Deep down, they have self-doubt. The Warriors have none. Jordan had none. Kobe had none. Shack had none. Magic, the winning time, had none. Bird had none. The great players in this game almost to a fault had no doubt. Get me the ball. Get out of the way. Jason Tatum's different,

and I'm sure the media loves this quote. He's talking about being the leader of this team. I'll be honest for myself, it would have been times where I question, like, am I the right person to kind of lead a group like this. And I never, like, doubted myself, But, you know, just moments after some of those losses and, you know, the tougher parts of the season, you know, it's human nature to kind of question, you know, yourself and things like that. But, you know, just always stick to what you believe in and trust in the work that you put in, you know, can't rain forever. Michael Jordan, if he was playing the Celtics, would take that in the locker room and say, guys, weakness. They don't believe in himself. Make him not believe in himself.

force him to doubt himself tonight. Because he does. It's in there. It's in there. You just got to get it out. Am I the guy? I don't know. I bet the media loves these quotes. I saw it and I thought that would never come out of MJ's mouth, Barclay's mouth. Shack, Kobe. No way. But I think it's human and it's vulnerable. It'll get retweeted. Everybody loves it. But when I watch Boston play, Tatum loses confidence.

He gets tight and crunch time. team can he can sometimes disappear and the NBA historically rewards alpha not self-doubt so when I there are times I watch Jason Tatum who I love as a player but there are moments when I watch him and I think he doesn't he doesn't quite he's not quite there yet now maybe he changes things maybe this is the series but I watched that and I thought God if Michael saw that if Michael Jordan got that quote he would literally call Pippin, call Rodman, call Ron Harper. Guys, get in here. That guy deep down, he doesn't totally believe in himself.

It's in there. Pull it out. You and I know that's what he did. The guys that had some success on Michael didn't doubt themselves. Magic and Bird, Isaiah. You couldn't go up against Michael and deep down. Michael once said he fell to the ground. Shack helped him up.

He sought his weakness. That's how Michael thought. That's how the greats think. I mean, we've seen Tom Brady how petty he can get. Remember the deflate gate? You get his phone. You're like, whoo. He is out there, man.

He looks for any crevice of weakness, anything. And I think Tatum's a great player. But I saw that and I thought the media loved that. MJ would have seen that as weak. Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the Warriors are making their sixth NBA finals appearance in the last eight years.

Not for injuries. It'd be eight for eight, probably. Well, Draymond talked about that. Golden State has won three titles over that span. They also have two finals losses. The Raptors in 2019 may have predicted that before the season started. And the Cavs in 2016, obviously blowing the three-one lead. But Draymond doesn't want to give full credit to either of those teams,

because he said the Warriors weren't at full strength. Because nobody had beat us, no one has beaten us whole ever. It's not happened yet. In 2016, I got suspended from a game in the finals. In 2019, KD goes down during the finals, but then you follow that over to Cleveland. No one has ever beat us whole.

So obviously, the Raptors beat the Warriors 4 to 2 in 2019 when Durant came back from the calf injury and suffered the torn Achilles in game five. They just fell apart. That was weird. Everybody for the Warriors got hurt. everyone was hurt. And then the 2016 finals, obviously,

talked about the suspension for game five for the flagrant on LeBron, and they blew the 3-1 lead. Now, I do think that Draymond suspension played a major role in the turnaround in that series. Also, Bogot was a starting center, got hurt, so the rotation got all screwed up. You did have a 3-1 lead. Yeah, and they did have a lead. So they should have won that series, too.

And then everybody got suspended and hurt. So they should have won that one. But you had a 3-1 lead. I know. Like, that's a significant. thing to lose a 3-1 lead despite what happens. Now, I think it played a role, and obviously KD played a role in it as well, but that's how it goes.

That's how these series go. You have to account for injuries. You should account for flagrants if you're up against it to the point where you might get suspended. That's on you to know how many flagrants you have and how you have to act accordingly. I agree with him, but that doesn't take anything away from the teams that beat them. Like the teams that beat them took, come on. So now we're going to go down through every single injury,

through every single championship that's ever been won. That Canadian team was pretty weak. Kauai was awesome. The Raptors had an amazing coach, a great system, great culture. And Kauai came in and was the one piece they needed to get them over the edge. They already had the things in place. All right. No, we can't do.

Nobody's a legitimate champion then. If you're going to say this team didn't have this guy. Well, you only beat them because this team didn't have this guy. No one, whoever won a championship then. Shaq and Kobe one of you. They didn't have no when they played at any injuries at any point. ankle sprained here or there. I mean, this is not a real conversation.

You're being kind of. That's how it goes, though. You have to be able to overcome things. Losing a Kevin Durant, obviously, is something that you're not going to overcome when you're in the NBA finals. But that's how it goes. Now, what happens when the Warriors beat a team that isn't healthy? that's not a real championship?

Well, Boston, yeah, it's interesting because the one player for Boston that gets hurt a lot, Robert Williams, is such an important in the paint defender for them. I actually think, you know, we're talking about what's going to win and what's not. If Robert Williams is hurt, because Golden State's not going to score on the interior at all, if Robert Williams is on the floor, it's not going to happen. So the reality is, I think he's missed six or seven playoff games. If he's out, they will. So you'll get their perimeter scoring.

their mid-range scoring, and they'll score on the paint, Boston's done. Yeah, but I mean, that's, them's the breaks. I don't think less of Boston because they beat Milwaukee without Chris Middleton. I don't think less of Boston because they beat the heat who were completely injured. Like, you have to take advantage of the breaks that you get. That's how this goes. So Darvindham is set to take over the Lakers as the new head coach, heading into next season after the team fired Frank Vogel.

And despite a lot of excitement around the organization, including from LeBron James, Charles Barkley feels they have bigger things to worry about. Well, I'm glad Darvin got an opportunity because he's paid his dues. He's a nice guy. We'll have to see what kind of coach he is. But listen, if one of your coaches is close to the same age as your players, your team not going to be any good anyway. I mean, the Lakers, they got a serious dilemma on their hands.

I mean, their best player is going to be 40. You know, Anthony Davis has never been healthy. You know, obviously, Russell's going to be there one more year. So what's really bad about the situation, next year is going to be the same as this year. I understand that Chuck is saying that the Lakers are old, but LeBron's not that old. He's 37. I know, but by pro-athlete standards, he's breaking down. No, he was in the MVP race this year.

He was, he almost won the score. title. I know, but he played 55 games. So he's getting hurt more. He's in the back end of his career. I would not call him breaking down. Certainly not when you compare him to someone like Anthony Davis, who is literally never available. I would have traded Anthony Davis two years ago. LeBron's 37. Yeah. At the age of 35, I don't appreciate the roundup, Chuck. Well, well, but. You're 40 when you're 40. And Dr. Ham is 48 years old. He may adocas 44. LeBron is an old 37 because he made the finals all the, he's like a pitcher who's a who keeps getting to the World Series.

There's a lot of innings on these arms. Right. And then you account for the Olympics and you count for all the postseason games. LeBron's really a 47-year-old player. If you take it the games he's playing. With the extra games that he's played with the Olympics and the postseason, I think it's another three seasons. No, it's insane.

I mean, he's really... So by that math, then Chuck is right. He's 40. His body is... And LeBron's in the greatest shape of any NBA player I've ever seen. Dee Wade's kind of in that class like, oh, is impeccable. LeBron isn't 38. LeBron is an incredibly old 38.

No, he's 37, but yes, he does have some extra wear and tear on his body. But they are an old roster, and there's a lot of things going on here. But Darvindham's age, I don't think, plays any role in whether he's going to be a good coach or not. I mean, I think we can throw that out the window. We have Sean McVease. So how old's Darvindham? 48s. Oh, okay.

All right. All right. And he's been an assistant for almost a decade. Yeah, he'll be fine. I don't worry about Darvinham. Yeah, that's not my concern. My concern is the front office and all the stuff that goes on with the Lakers and if they're going to be able to do anything with this roster. But he's 37.

But he is an old 37. I don't even know if I can say that. I know he has the extra wear and tear on his body, but no one takes better care of themselves than LeBron James. And LeBron has been Superman throughout his entire career. Okay. So I would argue Brady is a young 45. Why? Because of Dante Scarnacia, he didn't get hit.

They had great offensive lines for 20 years. Peyton Manning at the end it was like an old 39 I think Brady's a young 45 because one thing they've always had in New England it's not a great defense and it's not great weapons they always protected him

Tom almost never got hit and he also is great at avoiding contact so I feel like Brady's a young 45 and LeBron's an old 38 because LeBron's been in as you said three extra in those years and those games by the way he's been an extra those are playoff games

those are hard games I don't know though I mean the way he played when he was available this year. Oh, he's fantastic. He's fantastic. And considering the fact that we're talking about him playing at that level at the age of 37. That's remarkable.

I might have to argue he's a young 37, considering. He's great. I'm not disputing that. So Jimba Fisher and Texas A&M were the target of Nick Sabin's NIL Fury just a few weeks ago. Sabin claimed the Aggies bought every player in their top ranks recruiting class. But now Jimba says he spoke with Sabin ahead of this week's SEC spring meetings,

and they have set aside their differences. He said, it's over with, we're done talking about it. We're moving on trying to fix the problems of what we have in college football. There are a lot more pressing needs than our arguments. Very mature, gentlemen. Very mature, now. Very mature today. Listen, people say stuff.

React. It's very competitive. They're recruiting the same players. It's not like one's out west and one. These guys are recruiting the same five-star offensive linemen. When you break down what really happens with this whole situation, situation, as tantalizing and scandalous as it was. Yeah.

It was very obvious that Nick was speaking particularly to his boosters. He was sending a message to the boosters of Alabama, hey, look, it's going to get a little more competitive out here now. We're not the only team. We're not the only top dog. And some of these other, you know, universities are going to spend a lot of money. So if we want to keep competing with these top universities, we might have to find a system of our own.

Now, he didn't, he didn't say that. And that's probably not something you should ever say on. a microphone anyway. He definitely took a shot at Jimbo. He definitely said what he said. We have the recording. He didn't. It was personal. He meant for it to sound shady. He said they bought every player. That's a lot of players to buy. Okay. It's like that that's, even if, even if you believe that the Aggies did do what Nick Saban is accusing them of, which is not illegal, they did not buy every player on their roster. They did not buy the third string running back. Like that's, that's not how any of this works, nor are they buying anybody. I don't even really like that we keep saying

that no one's being bought. There are no contracts here other than what the players agree to with the advertisers that they are getting NIL money from. You're not purchased. You can leave at any time. You are not under contract. All of that like verbiage is very, it's very tropey. It's not real. These are not kids. They are young adults who could have, make choices with a lot more responsibility than playing just college football legally. And they're not being bought. They are not purchased. There is no contract being signed. They have an agreement in place to do advertising or services in exchange for their likeness. And if they choose to leave whatever school they've committed to, they can do that. Now they might upset some boosters, but there is no, there is no contract here.

It's not professional. So I think actually that's a big part of what we need to do when discussing the issues with college football because everyone is so reactionary and so explosive. that even the words that we're using to describe what happens here is inflaming the situation. Like, talk about the problem as it is so then you can get to a solution rather than exaggerating what's actually happening here. It's going to be okay.

It's going to be fine, guys. Ohio State's going to be there in Notre Dame. Everybody who's good is going to continue to be good. And everybody who's irrelevant will continue to be irrelevant. As it always is. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. So I'm not somebody that's going to sit around for four hours. and watch athletes play another sport, which they're okay at. So the match doesn't fascinate me when Brady and Rogers play Mahomes and Josh Allen. But I will say they're four very unique personalities. And Mahomes is becoming Brett Favre. He is the every man. He is so incredibly likable.

Whereas LeBron and the Brady and the Russell Wilson are very image conscious what they put out there. Mahomes is pounding Coors lights. And after playing really poorly, now everybody that's played golf like me, that isn't very good. When you play poorly, the solution is always more Coors Lights. That was Mahomes yesterday. And of the four, Brady is the brand, very aware of the brand. Aaron Rogers, I can live without football.

Josh Allen, I'm just happy to be invited. And then there's Mahomes. This is awesome. Give me more Coors Lights. There is something incredibly relatable about him. And what you find, as always said, it does. matter to me. I always use the term quarterbackial, like

presidential. And there's a certain maturity level and commitment level that I need for my quarterbacks. I don't even like the hat on backwards. Wednesday at the press conference, at this point, Brady can do whatever he wants. It's like Belichick can dress the way he wants. It's established. I don't love my young quarterback hat on backwards

at the Wednesday press conference as Brady turned it around last night. But these are two, four totally different personalities and I've come to terms with, we've got to accept that. That if you're committed and you're mature, I can deal with your personality. And even the way Mahomes plays is so much his personality. Every year I've watched him play, mechanically, he goes a little off the reservation.

He goes off into the weeds. Every year for about five games, you're like, as mechanics. Brady, what would he do if he did? Literally not sleep. He would literally not sleep. What would Aaron Rogers do? Get defensive about it. What does Mahomes do?

Yeah, we'll work it out. You make a course light. Well, figure it out. And it's such an endearing personality. I find Mahomes has become Fav. It's just like he loves playing football. He's got some flaws. He'll eventually fix him.

He's going to win a bunch of games. He's unbelievable in the big moments. Anytime you doubt him, he's back. And you'll watch all those guys yesterday. And one's the brand. One doesn't need football. one's just happy to be here, and then there's Mahomes. Incredibly likable, incredibly relatable.

And that's probably why he will be. LeBron James became a billionaire in the last 24 hours. Kobe did eventually. Michael Jordan is. That's why Mahomes, I think, and Tom Brady will end up being the richest football players of all time. One does it by brand image. And the other is so relatable.

What company in America would not want Patrick Mahomes as part of their brand? That guy is just everything I want. He is great, but feels like a dude. Second hole, third hole. Yeah, putter's not working. Need to knock one more Coors light down. There's some value there for that for Patrick Mahomes. I find him incredibly likable.

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There's some good stuff going on. Lamar's not at camp either as Aaron. Kyler Murray is. I think it's significant. I said at the top of the show today, you can't time the market. If you like a house, buy a house. Don't worry about interest rates.

If you like something, get it. You can say what you want about Kyler Murray. Here's what I know. He's been available in 94% of the games they've played. Seattle's in a rebuild. The Niners aren't sure about Trey Lance. It is go time with the Rams next five years. Try to win that division.

It feels obvious to me. Do you think they're close to this? Where do you think the team sits with Kyler today? I think they're going to get something done. I think it's going to be a matter of time. I do think the Deshaun Watson situation complicated things a little bit. I don't think this is about raw dollars, Colin. I think that they know they're going to be in the 40s.

We have five quarterbacks that are in the 40s now. So I think that's actually six quarterbacks in the 40s. now, so they know they're going to have to go there financially. It's the structure. It's the guarantees. And so the next couple of months are going to be very, very interesting. Now, that said, I will say, like, I have heard that this isn't the first time that he's been in the building over the last few weeks.

He was there for a couple of days during phase two. He was there for the first day of OTAs last week. It just sort of flew under the radar. So the fact that he's showing up, and as a part of these things, is important. And the fact that he showed up yesterday was important, too. Because that's when most of the veterans return. The entire offensive line really hadn't been around until yesterday. They're there now.

So, you know, I think the fact that he's coming back when really the bulk of the team is starting to do the on-field work towards 2022 is a good sign because this is voluntary and does show at least some level of trust that Kyler thinks we're going to get something done. I think the Watson deal does complicate it to some degree. but after the Cardinals reinvested in Steve Kime and Cliff Kingsbury, I'm not sure they have any other way to go. I mentioned the Niners and Trey Lance earlier in the show, and I was told earlier this week,

there are concerns with this accuracy in the building. And I'm always very suspicious when I don't see practice video. Jordan Love, I didn't see any practice video. When Mahomes was sitting on the bench, it's funny how all the video leaked. We could see it grow. So I look at this thing with Trey Lance. What are you hearing?

Yeah, I can remember the Mahomes video almost looked fake. Like I remember seeing it like, oh my God, like the what is that? Yeah, what I'm hearing on Trey Lance? I think they got a guy who was really raw coming out and was never going to play in year one. And part of it was I just watch him. I don't think they felt like he was that natural a thrower of the football. So they had to rebuild him from the ground up. On top of that, he didn't.

didn't play a lot at North Dakota State. And even when he did play, he didn't throw a lot. So he hasn't seen a lot. And so I think the idea was kind of to feed him by a fire hose last year and try to see how much he could take. And there were ups and downs, no question about it last year. I think where they are right now, you know, I think that that process of rebuilding him as a thrower is ongoing. And I think if you had to play a game today, the Niners would probably have to run a variation of Kyle Schumann. Shanahan's offense. And I think that that's the issue right now is, can you run the full breadth of what Kyle Shanahan's offense is and has been over the last five years in San Francisco? I think as it stands right now, they would have to do some things to help get Traylands going. So I don't think we'd be

seeing quite the same offense that we saw with Jimmy Garoppolo the last few years. Could they make it work? Yes. Is their physical ability there? Yes. Is there a long way to go? I would say the answer to that is yes as well. Whenever a player goes public, it generally tells me with his salary or contract demands is that he wants to get it done. I mean, if he didn't want to play, they'd leave. Aaron Donald's got years left. I think he wants to get it done. He just signed with Kanye. It's probably a shoe deal.

Hard to sell shoes when you retire. I think he's going to play. I think he wants to get it done. And I think athletes go public and broadcasters, by the way. You go public when you really want to be there and you want to put pressure on your bosses. That's my takeaway in the Aaron Donald's situation. he said last week, I could retire, I'm fine. I don't know. I don't buy that.

Your thoughts? Well, you mentioned Kyler and Lamar, right? Like, there's a reason you see players pushing for contracts now. Under the new CBA, the holdout rules are incredibly restrictive. It's hard to hold out in the summer. So the time to do it if you want a new contract, the time to put pressure on your team is actually now in the spring. And Aaron Donald's never been afraid to put pressure on his team before. There were holdouts in consecutive summers before he got his long-term deal.

his first long-term deal with the Rams. And so I think you have to take all of that into account. But this is a guy who's drawn a hardline financially in the past. And because of the way the rules work now, now is really the time to try and get something done. It's complicated, Colin, because they've already mortgaged his contract six ways from Sunday. So you're not just dealing with the $55 million in cash

that's remaining over the last three years of his old deal. You're also dealing with more than $20 million of dead money that has to be accounted for one way or the other. And so, you know, this isn't as easy as just, you know, pushing a button and saying, we're going to move a bunch of money into the next two years, and you're going to make all of your money up front. We're going to add a couple fake years to the back of the deal.

This is more complicated than a normal deal is. I do think ultimately it gets done because the Rams get these things done. Do I think it's possible that it's a little uncomfortable and it may take right up until the start of training camp? That's possible. But, I mean, we've seen the, The Rams are in it for right now. And so I do think eventually they'll get something done with him.

And he'll play probably for at least another couple of years. By the way, 45 seconds left. If you had to guess, I'm guessing Saints. If you had to guess where Baker is by the trading deadline, who do you think he plays for? Minute left. Seattle, maybe. I just think Drew Locke, like, I know Pete Carroll and John Schneider

really liked him coming out in 2019, and they've seen some stuff from him, you know, in the spring that they like. I just think because Pete Carroll is at the point in his career that he's in, I think you're going to get to the summer and maybe figure out that it's not good enough. I do think the Brown's intention here is to try and be patient with the situation because they feel like some suit or whether it's through an injury or a quarterback situation, just not being what a team thinks it is right now.

There's going to be some suitor that's going to shake out of this. So if I had to guess right now, I'd say Seattle, keep an eye on Carolina too. I think those are the two teams. I do think the Saints are at least for right now all in on James. We'll see if that changes. All right. Good stuff. Albert Breer.

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