The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Dallas Cowboys, Lamar Jackson, Brian Billick

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

In hour 1, Colin discusses what he thinks will keep Dallas successful when Dak returns to the starting line-up and that's the RUNNING GAME! He also feels as if Lamar Jackson is the only QB not allowed to win games in ugly fashion. Brian Billick joins to talk Matt Rhule, Lamar Jackson and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, we're starting to see trends. that are working. Matt Rule fired today, Panthers coach, the coaches that aren't working. College guys are the pros. We've seen a couple of swings and misses there. Overall, though, you've got to feel good about your Jets. Did something happen with the Jets yesterday? I didn't notice. I mean, I'm wearing Teal to tease the Dolphins fans out there. I think this is teal. But great win for the Jets. I think I called that on Friday. I forgot, though. I think you did. So let's start with the Cowboys. Biggest brand in the biggest league in the world. what are they doing with Cooper Rush?

Run game? Defense. And not letting him throw much. 16 attempts. Dallas won convincingly yesterday with 10 first downs. You look over the box score. No turnovers. Very few penalties.

Now the question is when DAC returns, yes, he's better than Cooper Rush and yes, he's going to start. The question, though, is what will Dallas look like? because this version of the Cowboys is the last time they won Dax Rookie Year. They leaned into the run game. They led the NFL in rush attempts, Dax Rookie Year. They played clean football.

They didn't ask him to do much. Not a lot of interceptions. Weren't as many penalties. They let their defense win games in Dax Rookie Year. It was a top five scoring defense. And you have a very good defense now. maybe not the Niners, maybe not the Bills, but it's good, it's really good.

But this is the last time we saw the Cowboys win was Dax's rookie year. And there was an understanding that you would lean into the more talented players, the run game, the defense, play clean, don't ask Dack to do a lot. Because the more you ask from Dack,

the more uncomfortable and mistakes you have, because he's limited. The biggest difference between Cooper, rush and Dak Prescott. Dax's more athletic and has a much bigger bank account. But there's not a wide difference. I don't believe in talent. Dax better.

And again, I think he's a little thicker. He's a little more athletic. But this is when the Cowboys have won. But something happened. Dax started becoming, you know, instead of Dack Prescott, it was just Dack. He got a nickname. He became iconic. And there was this sense that Dax's a superstar shows like this, argue.

He's unbelievable. Nope, he's very believable. His intangibles are better than his tangibles. His college coach once came on their show and said, yeah, even when he was winning in college, we didn't think he was a great thrower. He's not, never has been, never will be. He's athletic, but he's not Lamar.

He's not Josh Allen. He's got a decent arm. It's not Mahomes. It's not Brady. It's not Stafford. When DAC returns, he'll get the job. Hopefully the Cowboys will do what they're doing now. Lean into the run game.

Take the ball out of the quarterback. hands, lead with the defense, keep the turnovers low. You can win a lot of football games in the NFL. But there was something that happened after Dak's rookie year until this injury that has let everybody believe, and we've shown you multiple times the data on this. It's indisputable. The more this team has leaned into DAC to carry them, the less successful they are. They can't beat good teams. And now this division, by the way, Philadelphia is for real and the Giants found the right coach and Washington has got some players.

You can't just sleepwalk through this division anymore or you're going to go 0 and 2 against Philly and you're going to split at best against New York because they got the right coach. So it is, the question isn't, does Dax start? Yeah, Dax's going to start and DAC is better. But will the Cowboys realize

that Dax's rookie year, 13 and 3, and this winning streak is the same recipe for success? Don't be led by a quarterback. I know that gets paid like a star. He's not a star.

He's not somebody that can pull a bad O-line and pull an offense and pull a bad defense. It's not who he is, man. There's like seven of those guys on the planet. He's not close. Here's Jerry after. There's no question. After being this great venue, this stadium,

be back up here in Southern California where we train, step out there and play the world champs. Play so solid. Not only proud, I know, I'm proud for all of our fans. You deserve it. Who would have thought that you'd get it against the world champs? There's some jewelry involved someplace here.

We're going to wear little jewelry after this. Oh, boy, wear some jewelry. It does have a lot to do with the Rams offensive line where it's musical chairs, but we'll move on and talk about that later. Let's talk about the game in London yesterday, the Giants and the Packers. So if I would have told you before the game, the Giants missing their top four receivers with Daniel Jones

will have more passing yards in the Packers. The Giants will be better on third down, situational football. Daniel Jones missing his top four receivers than the New York Giants. See, you can see the impact of Brian Dable. the guy over my shoulder, the rookie head coach. We're five games into it.

You can see it. There's three things that matter with coaching to me. Situational. Giants now are an excellent situational football team. Good on third down, good in the red zone. Does your coach make adjustments at halftime? The Giants are plus 31 in the NFL this year. Top three second half.

That's with Daniel Jones. Do you get the ball to the right people? Saquan Barkley, almost 700 total yards, leads the NFL. Well, three boxes that Brian Dable is immediately checking. They're much better situationally. They make unbelievable adjustments at half, and he gets the ball to the right people. I could argue Matt Lefleur is bad at all three.

Situationalally, how do you get outplayed by Daniel Jones situationally with Euroline, Aaron Jones, Aaron Rogers, and your tight end? At half, the Packers, don't do anything at half. This entire season, they've been a one-half team. They work hard in Green Bay all week, and then they come into the game and they have great first half.

They are a negative 20 second-half team. They make no adjustments. They're a one-half football team, which, by the way, Aaron Rogers said last week and he was right, it's not sustainable. You can't keep winning like this. And do they get the people that should get the ball to ball? No, the Packers don't do that either.

Aaron Jones leads the NFL in yards per carry. He's their best player on offense outside of Aaron Rogers. Leads the NFL in yards per carry. He's 19th in attempts. So situationally, where the Giants are crushing, Green Bay's bad. After half, Giants crushing Green Bay bad. Get the ball to the right people.

Giants are leaning heavy into Saquan Barclay. Packers, sometimes Aaron Rogers, I'm like, is that the only Aaron on the field? Where did Aaron Jones go? We do this from time to time. Tall, thin, good looking. We just lump Matt LaFleure in with the, you know, McVeigh and Shanahan. He's one of the great young coaches.

Why? Why? This is what coaching looks like. Brian Daibel is what coaching looked like. You can see it on the field that he's taking Daniel Jones. Now, I'm probably more. down on Daniel Jones than a lot of you are. I do not seem as a guy that can carry me to multiple playoff wins, potentially on the road.

I don't. But I know this, that Dayball is such a good coach. We will know what the best of Daniel Jones is by the end of the year. Because he will squeeze every ounce of talent out of Daniel Jones. So we'll know by week 17. Whatever Daniel Jones is, that's what he is. That's what he's going to be. And it may be better than I think, and they may move on with him or they may move off him.

And that's Brian Dable's decision. But the good thing is he's going to get everything out of it. You're not going to get rid of Daniel Jones. Then he pops up somewhere else and rolls. It's not going to happen. But when you watch the Giants, you are seeing coaching. Half-time adjustments, getting the ball to the right people. I'm not a coach.

I don't sit and watch film all week. But I can see really, really good coaching. And I can see an impact of coaching. The Giants are now an excellent situational team with an average O line. And I think an average quarterback. They're clever. They outsmart you. They out think you.

They out clever you. They're making terrific halftime adjustments, whatever those are. And then after the game, Aaron, who can be prickly, he doesn't like what his teammate Jair Alexander said after the game, which was Jair said basically, I'm not worried. If we lose next week, I'm worried. And here's what Aaron said. Frankly, I don't like all this conversation about losing next week. I'm a firm believer in the power of words and manifestation.

and we've got to check ourselves on that because talking about that is not winning football. There was a conversation about in the locker room and I don't like it and John's my guy but we don't need to be talking like that. I often am very critical of Aaron but people have annoyed it. Matt LaFleur is a great coach.

Show it to me. I've watched this Green Bay team meltdown at home situationally fourth quarter last two years. They're not great situationally. I'm not saying they were with McCarthy. They're not with Lafleur. They're not making adjustments at half. I said this now for two years.

They're beating up on a worst division. Show me the post seat. You didn't hire Lafleur to beat the Lions. You hired Matt LaFleur to beat Tom Brady, to beat the Rams to get the Super Bowls. Show me the money. Because I'm watching the Giants right now, and I think they have holes everywhere.

And I'm like, that is coaching. You watch the Giants in the second half, long drives with that online. By the way, where's Green Bay's defense? What part of Green Bay, name it, is playing great football? The defense isn't as good as I thought it would be. The Giants went up and down the field on them in the second half. Special teams actually are okay, but they're not getting the ball to Aaron Jones enough.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Good to have you back. My entire life, it's always been a really good sign for a football. team if you can win without your fastball. You don't necessarily play great, but you're well coached you grind it out. A lot of Patriot wins in that dynasty. They didn't have their fastball. Kansas City Chiefs now can do it where Mahomes is scrapping. They may get out schemed in the first half. You look up, they come back, they win 27, 24. It's always been a sign of a good team. You don't have to play great to win. When you do play great, you can roll people. But you're not going to bring

great for more than like seven weeks a year. And then you're going to have four where you're off, a couple where you're dealing with injuries. It's the same with quarterback. Joe Burrow has shown an ability to win ugly. That's a real trait. By the way, Brady's made a career out of it, throwing a pick six in a Super Bowl and winning. You can't just win when you have the sauce, when you got everything going for you, when everybody's healthy. Can you win? Right now Buffalo's falling apart physically. They won by 30. That's a pretty good football team. Lamar Jackson gives you so much more good than bad. And that last drive of the game, Baltimore won because of one reason.

Lamar Jackson on his feet. Yes, he missed on a couple of big throws up the sideline. But in the biggest moment, they handed the ball to Lamar Jackson and he won. And by the way, Burrow and Lamar, their final drives both of them, and this is why they are top 10, 12 quarterbacks, were both really good. When their teams called on them, they were both really good. Burrow didn't play a complete game. He was uneven.

Lamar missed on some throws. He was uneven. That's what happens in a division game with two really, really good football teams with really, really good personnel. They played uneven football. And if there was a minute left on the clock, Burrow would have won. But there was a minute more on the clock and Lamar won. But the difference is Lamar, as far as I can tell, is the only quarterback in the

National Football League. He is the only one that is not allowed to win ugly. He's not. Joe Burrell, and I love John. Joe. Oh, my God, Joe Burrow is the net. Joe Burrow had multiple interception games. He had bad games in the playoffs. And they won. He figured out how to win a game. That is the mark of a good quarterback. You can forget stuff. You can overcome stuff. Lamar Jackson misses. Even when Lamar Jackson wins, if he misses an open guy, I told you he can't throw him in the pocket. Right now, Lamar Jackson has 10 touchdown passes from the middle of the pocket. That leads the NFL. He's fine. he's fine as a thrower. In fact, better than fine, especially when throwing to Mark Andrews. The Ravens spend the least amount of money in the NFL on wide receivers.

And he's doing just fine. But everybody else is allowed to win a game and be ugly or choppy and throw a pick and look disoriented or have a bad half. Not Lamar. He's got to play flawless. And if he doesn't, well, he missed that ball up the sideline. Yeah. So Jimmy Garoppolo once. And I've defended him. Gosh, you missed a throw.

You missed a read, you threw a pick six. But I look at this. Both quarterbacks last night were uneven. They were both great on their final drive because they're both great young quarterbacks. Burrow, we've come to acknowledge that he throws some picks. He's a let it rip guy. He's my kind of guy.

He got a little far in him. He's going to let it rip and throw some picks. Lamar, can we come to terms with stylistically, this is the country we live in now in America. People make up their mind on something, and they won't butt. And many of you stylistically, hey, I had my doubts about Lamar Jackson. And then new information came in and I watched the games.

And they went 77% of the time he starts in a good division. I like him. Just admit it. You have decided he's not good enough for you. And so you're going to find ways to pick at him. He wasn't great last night. But he was great when it mattered. And that's really been, I mean, Aaron Rogers.

has been awful in the second half all year. But you've made a decision that he's great and stylistically, aesthetically, you like how it looks. With a minute left in the game, not many people in football. I like better than Lamar Jackson. His feet won that game. And Burroughs' arm almost won that game. But it's okay.

It's a sign of a really good team and a really good quarterback when you don't have your fastball. You just don't have it. You're just missing it. And you look up in the seventh inning and you've allowed four hits in one run. That's Kirshan is prime. They don't have his best stuff for all 27 starts.

And Lamar and Joe Burrow were uneven last night. That's what happens in division games when everybody in the ballpark knows exactly what you do. They see it twice a year. You've seen them now eight times. You're not fooling anybody in these division games. That's why it's low scoring. But it's like Lamar is winning these games. Give him credit for it.

J-Mack with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, let's start with the breaking news in the NFL. Matt Rule first coach fired. I think everybody had that on their bingo card, right? Carolina drops to one and four.

They got drubbed by the Niners. I mean, it was a bloodbath, 3715. Matt Rules ends his tenure in Carolina at 11 and 27. Sounds like Matt Rule and the owner kind of had it out last night. The owner was like, I'm done with this guy. He's gone. That's not out there yet, but it will be soon enough. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, listen, I think he was a great college coach. He pivoted to the NFL and did not have a great quarterback, so he had to kind of do it with what he had. And in this league, I don't care, ask Bill Belichick. In this league, if you don't have a star quarterback, you're not going to want a lot of big games against the Buffaloes in Kansas City's and Baltimore's. So I'm not saying, it's easy to say that he's just a terrible coach. He's a great college coach. Yeah, he won at Temple where nobody wins, and he went to Baylor and did really well as well. Yeah, so I think if I was Matt Rule, I'd go sit on the beach for about nine months and I'd keep my eye on that Oklahoma job.

Nine months. Wait a minute. What about Wisconsin? That's a good job, no? Oklahoma's a better job than Wisconsin. You think Venables is going to be dusted that quickly? I would. Wow. Okay. I mean, I would. I would. I don't know if that's a good job. Oklahoma is so much better than Wisconsin and Nebraska's jobs. What if it's not open? I mean, I don't think they're... I think you sit there and you watch Baylor dust Oklahoma. And then you watch Iowa State dust them. And then you watch Oklahoma State dust them. And I mean dust them. And then you look up and Oklahoma, which can be very insular, he's one of their guys. You look up and go, the game is pivoted offense. You're going to the SEC. You recruit really good quarterbacks at Oklahoma. They recruit five-star quarterbacks. You got to move. Hey, listen, teams make mistakes. Great GMs have

whipped on coaches. Great athletic directors. Barry Alvarez is one of the top five athletic directors in the last decade. He whiffed on one of his coaching hires. Like, it happens. It's okay. It sounds like Jim Leonard, the defensive backs coach. Former Jet is going to get that Wisconsin game. And Jim's going to do a terrific job. I like Wisconsin. But Oklahoma's a big boy job. Yes.

Matt Rule's a great college coach. It's a great game. When you marriage, a great brand and a great coach, USC Lincoln Riley, it takes about an hour to turn it around. So let me ask you this. There was a report that the Panthers owe Matt Rule over $40 million. That's why I wouldn't rush back to work. Well, that's the thing.

But these guys have egos. You know that? And like, he got embarrassed and care of it. So who cares? You know what? In a year, when he gets that Oklahoma job, Nobody in Norman, Oklahoma cares about the Carolina Panthers. I would largely agree with you.

All right, let's get to a more positive, uplifting story. The New York Jets hosting the dolphins, and they beat them down 40 to 17. That was closer than the school. Way closer than that school. And Teddy Bridgewater got knocked out on the first offensive snap for the dolphins. Sauce Gardner coming in on the edge blitz. How about Sauce? He is sensational.

Early defensive rookie. I mean, he was tremendous. Yes. And he wanted all the Tyreek Hill smoke. Like he was guarding him man to man up the feet. field. Tyreek did not have one explosive catch. Jets did not like the Tyreek Hill stuff in the offseason. I digress. 40 to 17, Colin, Jets snapped a 12-game losing streak in the division. That's just embarrassing to say. But they're three and two. Yeah. I know, listen, I know Miami Dolphins Fizz.

We lost our left tackle, Armstead, the big money guy. By the way, this is in the NFL. The Rams offensive line is third stringers across the board outside of the right tackle. Welcome to the NFL. Forty-niners have lost like half their defense, and they win by 25. Yeah. So I know the dolphins were down their top two cornerbacks, and this kid, Skyler Thompson, was in over his head. I never heard of this guy. You and I both agree.

We know they have the GM. Joe Douglas has had back-to-back great drafts. The question is, and we know the quarterback's super talented, the question is, is Saul of the guy and can Zach kind of reel in a little bit of his Johnny Mansell-esque style? But when I look at their offense and their pieces, and I'm like, Zach Wilson with another year of maturity with these pieces.

It's pretty interesting. It's tall. On 197 yards of total offense. No, they've got some nice, they have some speed on offense. Two more things on the Jets, real quick. Robert Sala has instilled a culture there. You can see the images on the sideline. This team is really bonded together.

They're fired up. We're also seeing McDaniel. I know he's lost a little luster, but the Dolphins seem to love this guy. Two guys from the Kyle Shanahan tree. Keep an eye on Demico, Ryan's, San Francisco, defensive coordinator for that Carolina job. Did you see the shots of him on the sideline yesterday?

He was fired up. They love him. That's the kind of thing Carolina's looking for. I'd put him at the top of the list. Now, the other thing on the Jets, they go to Lambo this week. Green Bay coming off the London game. I don't know. I'll be honest with you.

I think what's the line on that game? It was seven and a half before this week and now it opened at seven. No, listen, Jets will be, Jets will compete in that game. We have to be honest about Green Bay here. I've seen five games. they have a completely limited offense, which disappears in the second half,

is not great situationally. Everybody is living on this, this is the last five-year Green Bay. I watch this team. They can win one way. It's got to be low scoring. They've got to keep it in front of them. They can't come from behind big.

You get on this Packer team. Well, they did come from behind against the Browns. A little lucky with the onside kid. Jacoby Brissette. Yes. And one final note on that. So we saw two teams come back from London last week, Minnesota and the Saints.

No bye week. Did you see what happened? happened to their defense. Shredded in the second half, Justin Fields up and down the field, and Seattle's Geno Smith were great. So the Packers are coming back from London. There's an opportunity for the Jets offense to do some things in Lambo. All right, I'll settle down now. All right, finally, look at Coward losing his mind. Rookie quarterback Bailey Zappy. How about Bailey Zappy? He's accurate. Matt Jones-ish. He's accurate. He doesn't make any mistakes. Listen, 29-0 beat down. I think they were calling this the Matt

Patricia Revenge game against the Lions. But we called this Friday. They shut down Jared Goff. He looked lost. Is Dan Campbell now... Listen, he went from a great story to 0 for 6 on 4th Down. Like, what are you doing, dude? Well, I would just say this.

I thought Dan Campbell and Nick Sariani had horrible press conferences. Sariani has proved to be, with his GM, Howie Roseman, capable. Very capable. When you look at this Detroit thing, was that a golf problem or is that a Dan Campbell got whack. Detroit looked overwhelmed. Overwhelmed. I mean, literally.

On offense outdoors. Now, they're missing some people. Missing some guys. And Jared Goff, though, now his is not when a road game is the Lions quarterback. Jared Goff versus Belichick, if that ever happens again, I don't care what team golf is on, bet on Belichick. Like, it is a layup. But I am curious. We saw Cooper Rush versus Dak is like a thing.

Is Bailey Zappy versus Mack Jones potentially going to be a thing? Well, I feel the same thing. Dak is better than Cooper Rush. Yes. Mac Jones is better than Bailey Zappy. but they share a lot of physical traits. They're smaller. They're pretty accurate throwers.

They get rid of the ball quickly. They appear to be coachal. Mostly game managers. I think Mack's a better player than Bailey Zappy. That's why one guy played at Alabama and one at Western Kentucky. And I think Dak is better than Cooper Rush. But the gap is not Josh Allen to Case Keenham. When you have a star quarterback, you literally bury parts of the playbook.

If Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson got hurt, you'd have a different playbook. You can run these. exact same playbook, Dak and Cooper, Matt and Bailey Zappy. You're not burying stuff or saying, you know,

Bailey Zappy can't do that. You can run the, I just think Mac does a, Mac would take the same place and be better than Bailey Zappy, but when you have a Mahomes and Alan or Herbert, a Lamar,

you literally can't run the same place. You take stuff, you take pages out. Patriots defense, too, by the way. We got to give them some props. Lions had moved the football on everybody.

Patriots totally shut them down. Matthew Judon, I'm telling you, That guy, his Patriots defense is good, Colin. I know, but Judon wears down at the end of seasons. Yes, he's at some injury issues. But he's really good player. Yeah.

Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. So there was a moment yesterday, and everybody just went crazy. Tom Brady's getting a break from the National Football League. Listen, post-toa concussion. The NFL, and they've done this my entire life,

they'll change protocols in the middle of the middle of the game. of a season. So they're clearly protecting the quarterbacks, including Brady. Now, this call, I thought, was very, very weak, and it took Atlanta that was coming back hard out of the game. It was a bad call. But post to a concussion, the NFL is on high alert. And I mean, Teddy Bridgewater played a single play in a game, banged his head, they took him out of the game. And that's what the NFL does. They did this during a Super Bowl with their catch rule. They changed it right in the middle of a game. So the NFL more than any league in America makes protocol changes right in the middle of the season. They'll do it in the middle of

games. And right now it's protect the quarterback. It's protect the quarterback season in the NFL post to a concussion bad PR. Now, I will say this. I think it's the right thing to do. I think this league is not nearly as entertaining when you go to backup quarterbacks. Deshawn Watson and Cleveland would be way more fun to watch than Jacoby Brissette in Cleveland. All right. Josh Allen goes down tomorrow. The case Keenham bills you don't want to put on network TV. Okay. So college football. very punitive. They have a targeting rule. And I saw USC safety, Kalin Bullock thrown out of the game this week. I'm not sure he was trying to target. Helmets hit. He's out. But at least in college,

it is reviewable. Right? So you can go look at the film and go, okay, all right. Okay, he's out of here. In the NFL, it's not. It's what the referee thinks. And I don't like that. I have been advocating for years what I would call an umbrella rule. There's too much money at stake. These games mean too much. Everything, three minutes to go in the game, 315, 3.30, everything's reviewable. Yes, like the NBA, it will slow down the end of games, like you'll turn it off. Everybody complains about that. The NBA ratings are never higher than the conference finals and the finals, and those are the longest games. You're not turning the NFL off. You'll want them to get it right. But in the NFL, hey, referee sees it. The game's never been faster.

Ask yourself this. How many touchdowns yesterday? I counted four in my head this morning. were taken away that looked like touchdowns, and then you went back, they were either big plays or touchdowns yesterday. I counted four, and then you went back and looked at the replay, and the guy's toe was on the line. The game is too fast to just leave this stuff to, yeah, it looks like he got hurt. Well, that looks like it was a touchdown. I think it was a catch.

You've got to be able to review it. Atlanta was rolling. Atlanta coming back. Brady gets pushed around a little bit. You throw a flag. Let's review it. Let's go to the film. the umbrella rule.

And I talked about this two weeks ago with Tua, the wobble rule. If a player gets up and wobbles out of that game and out for a week. Let's just do a new rule. Take it out of the protocols of the doctors. There's a lot of bad doctors and a lot of bad pilots. Let's take it out of their hands. And if I think the NFL is too big a business, just think about yesterday in the games you watch,

because I got to watch all of them or most of them. How many times did you think a ref made a good call and you look at the review and he missed it by an inch? The game's too fast now. So I don't think here was Tom Brady after that, obviously, weak call. The one sack at the end of the game, they call them for roughing the passers, so it extends the drive you're able to get off the field. What did you think of that play?

Had you been lobbying or asking for some late hits there? I don't throw the flags. Right answer. But I do think the officials, by and large, do a great job. But I do think college does a better job. I don't love throwing a kid out because of a collision. In most instances this year in college, I've seen half a dozen players get thrown out.

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But I do want to start. So Matt Rule, listen, I feel bad. If you come into this league and you don't have a quarterback, I don't care who you are. I mean, you, you're an offensive coordinator. You somehow won Super Bowls and won a lot of games. You and Andy Reid won a lot of games without, superstar quarterback's very, very rare. But I do think, Brian, I look at Matt Ruhl and I think he's a

hell of a college coach. That's probably a better fit. I think he deep down probably this morning he may think the same thing. So do you, I don't think they're overreacting in Carolina. I don't. Do you? No, because like you said, I don't know that it's a good fit. Matt Ruhle is a good coach. He's proven that time again. And this is not a knock because there are some there are some coaches that are better in the college environment. There are some college coaches that have thrived and are as good or better in the college game or the pro game just because of the nature of Matt Rule and the way he deals with the players.

And I think it's great for the college game. I think the pro players probably at war thin with them a little bit. So as thing. And so if you're going to be that way, you've got to win. If you do, you can be any way you want. Right. But if you don't, then they're going to go, you know, this is kind of this Joe college stuff.

I don't know. And you're right. in today's game, if you don't have the quarterback, and it's not like they didn't try. So it's an organizational question as well, not just Matt Rule. When you went through and you got the trade, you know, picked up the people that you did, and then you got Baker Mayfield trying to solve it. When you had opportunities to try to draft it, which is really what you ought to do when you first come in, you need a quarterback.

Right. That's the ideal because if you do it later, then now you're on the hot seat. You're finally bringing a guy. How many games can be went? So the timing of it just didn't work out from that rule. Listen, I'm seeing something with Green Bay, and you have to take me in it because I just don't want to spout off here, but they're not a good second-half team, and they have Aaron Rogers.

And I look at Brian Dable and the Giants, and Brian, they have become a very good second-half team. So they're making adjustments. And I think the difference between college and pro coaching is often that. The really good NFL coaches are terrific in that 15-minute window. You were good at it. Pete Carroll's been great at it. And I watch Green Bay and I'm flummoxed by it.

They just don't score in the second half. What is happening? What are they not doing? Are there limitations? Because I've seen it now five games. They're a first half offense. What is that? Well, you know, some of it has to do with them still trying to integrate these receivers in.

And by that time, you know, you've kind of gotten past your opener. You know, you have it programmed, the old Walshian, okay, here's the opening sequence. So first down, here's our first second medium call. Here's what we do, you know, our verticals down on the red zone and when you want to take those shots. Now you get into the second half. And also your ability, I think you alluded to the Giants. I think their strength right now is they're a good, consistent running football team. They're going to stick with that.

You know, they had 125 yards rushing the other day. That bodes well for, you know, you don't have to make a lot of adjustments to that. We're going to continue to run the ball, particularly down in the red zone. So I think that's part of the key. Their consistency, you're not asking a lot of Daniel Jones. You know, he threw it 27 times. Aaron Rogers, you know, you're going to win with Aaron Rogers. And they're still with the receiving core and they're good solid, but they're not quite clicking yet.

Last week, they ran the ball very, very well and dominated the game that way. This time, you know, they didn't counter the running game of the Giants real well. And it fell on to Aaron Rogers. And they just came up short. So listen, I understand analytics in the NBA, threes and twos. I get them in baseball. But I push, maybe it's because I love football so much, but this go for it on fourth down when you're in midfield.

So the Chargers did it yesterday with Brandon Staley. And my takeaway is, okay, the Browns had no timeouts and a career backup. Punt the ball and make that kid drive 70 yards. I didn't like this at all. even though I love Justin Herbert. Now Cleveland gets 10 yards. They can kick a field goal. Now they missed.

But Brian, what do you make of that? Yeah, the analytics are great if you make them at the right time with longevity on your side, so to speak. You know, I get it. The Digitomas that say you're going to, you know, you can get this in a certain percentage of time, go. You know, you're going to win more of that. And I always said, okay, if I'm going on a fourth and two on my own 30 against the Pittsburgh Steelers, I want that analytics guy standing next to me so I can point to the guy that made that decision. You know, it also has to do with the flow of the game.

You know, you look at, yeah, you have these conversations and your staff. Okay, we're going to go for two at the end of the game. What is our fourth down mentality? What's our play calling and how aggressive do we want to be? Part of it may have been. I'm not making excuses for him was Cleveland was moving the ball pretty good, particularly in that first half. And they thought,

we have a chance to really put this away. So, yeah, to do it where he did it, you know, was aggressive. Now it turned out for them, but a lot of it has to do with the flow of the game and wondering, okay, are we going to,

if I can prevent this team who had looked pretty good and moved the ball pretty consistently early, if I can put that away, there's some validity to that. But, you know, we say it all the time. It's always through the prism of, if it works, you're a genius.

If it didn't, you're the bill of it. Right. So the NFL is getting, and they've done this, you know this, the protocols now have changed very quickly post to a concussion. I am for that. I'm for protecting players. I do worry that at the end of games, that's not reviewable. Well, this game's too fast. I mean, if you're talking about quarterbacks and throwing guys out of games, like colleges figured it out. They'll review this stuff. The game's too fast. The Brady play yesterday. got, it's got everybody worked up. I like protecting quarterbacks. I just think you should be able to review this puppy. What did you make of that moment? Yeah, anytime, particularly when it's the hit to the helmet or below, that's real clear cut. But when it's throwing the quarterback down and the and the veracity of it, that's always, you know, that hit right there. Typically, how we've been time to see the quarterback now and then he bounces his head off the turf and it's a, it's a, concussion in the new progression protocol. He's gone.

So that's a tough one. Yeah, on that call in particular, you probably should allow a little bit review. I don't know that it would have exchanged it. It was that last little impetus that get you that they're trying to rule out for the very reasons we talk about the concussion protocol. Pretty much like it. I either sticking that foot out there at the end. Reviewing it is probably not a bad idea, but you have to protect these guys. And it can't be, okay, let's protect them. But let's don't do it at the end of the game. the game's on the line because there's too much at stake. No, I mean, you've got to be consistent with the way you're going to call it. So Lamar, you know, I said this. Burrow and Lamar were both

uneven last night, but in the end, the final drive for both quarterbacks was outstanding. I see growth with Lamar. I think he's better at picking up the blitzes now than he was three years ago. In fact, Cincinnati twice brought a lot of people. He recognizes it very quickly. I don't think he's Mahomes from the pocket, but I don't think anybody runs like him. Your thoughts on Lamar, his growth, I would have signed him to a contract. I think in this league, Brian, if you can win 75% of your games, I want to protect my coach. I just think that's a good place to be. If we don't want a Super Bowl, even as an owner, I can live with that.

What I can't live is chaos at quarterback and drafting it. So where do you look at Lamar and his growth since he's coming to the league, in your opinion? Well, I think he's an MVP caliber player. Now, whether he's actually grown within, you're right, he's not going to beat you from the pocket on a 45 throw day, typically. But that's not who they are. It's that balance. He chipped in close to 60 yards rushing. He's got, if I'm not mistaken, the longest rush of the year in the NFL and the longest completion in the NFL this year.

So that's a pretty good combination. I do think they're also wrapping a little more efficiency in the passing game around him. They're doing what he does best. crank off these big runs that we see all the time that no one else in the league can emulate. But rather than just the big strikes down the field, I think they're being a little more efficient with some of the dump-offs and some of the lower passes that we're seeing here. So that's a good thing. And I think he is capable of that. But still at the end of the day, it's this kind of dynamic run that's going to separate him,

play good defense, and then what a weapon Justin Tucker is to know at the end of the game, if I need three, I really only have to get to the 40 or 45. Yeah. That's been there for a long time. It's played out well for Baltimore over the years. Super Bowl champion coach, Brian Billick, is back in Columbus after those wonderful summers golf, and you cannot golf here in about, when do they close the courses in Minneapolis, Minnesota where you live, by the way. When do they close them? Yeah, probably, yeah, just about now. And it's usually a little bit of late because sometimes

the water that you have to deal with. It's actually, better because it'll be frozen and the ball would bounce back into the fairway compared to the summer. No, it's getting close. It's getting close. So, yeah, I think they're shutting down. That's why we move. If you can call coming to Columbus South, we always joke. We're the only people in America wintering in Columbus, but it's great.

Great seeing you, Brian, as always. All right, sounds good. Yeah, no, Lamar did something. You notice on that run, the big run, did you see how we protected the ball? Like his rookie year, he wouldn't have done that. Lamar would a take off running. He'd have that thing like a loaf of bread in his arm. But his growth is when he was running, he was really the entire time,

didn't want to get hit, wanted to get down, protecting the ball, and then kind of rolled down. It's that kind of thing. I think even when he runs and you watch Lamar, he's running more carefully. He had a play earlier in the game where he's constantly now headed a swivel. His first year in the league, he was running around. He was taking shots. His second year, he's taking shots.

Now he's put on 15 to 20 pounds. he's very aware of the clock. He's better against the blitz. Everybody grows differently. He's aware of his contract situation as well. Of course. That's growing as well. All right, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, and a Monday live in Los Angeles. Trendilfer, Sean Payton.

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