The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Dallas Cowboys, Steve Nash

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

In hour 1, Colin addresses the main issue holding America's team back. Which is Dak Prescott's massive and undeserving contract. Steve Nash and the Brooklyn Nets parted ways, but Colin believes its because he became a babysitter over a head coach. And building a team around Kyrie Irving is not conducive to successSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And so, you know, a lot of stuff happens. Not early, not late happens right in the heart of the day. So yesterday was so much fun. I was talking to two people last night. I got a call last night from an executive in the league, and he's like, what did you think? And I thought, Minnesota stole one. And I can't believe the Vikings got a great tight end and two picks.

The Lions got two picks. But when you get Detroit's picks, those are great picks. Because Detroit stinks and their top-around picks. Minnesota stole a great tight end and got picks. So we had, what, a coach, NBA coach fired. You had eight trades yesterday in the NFL the most since 1990 in one day on trading deadline. Absolutely bonkers day.

That was a great stat. Yeah, I just saw it online this morning. Wow. Most trades in a day since 1990. Well, I want to start with this. The Dallas Cowboys wanted to make a trade. They did. According to Ed Werder, they went back and forth with Brandon Cooks, the well-traveled,

speedy wide receiver. He'd be a good fit for them. We talked about that yesterday on the show. But in the end, you have to pay him a fully guaranteed $18 million next year. And the Cowboys can't because DAC makes $49 million next year. That is the number two cap hit in the entire league. Fans do something which I've never understood. Most of the things fans do I get.

Fans always want their stars to be paid. Why? You want your teams to be flexible. Aaron Rogers, 50 million. Green Bay didn't make a move. Dak Prescott, number two cap hit in the league, couldn't make a move. Dallas clearly wanted to make a move. It would have helped the team.

For years, y'all were screaming, Dak deserves, he deserves. The NFL is an earn league. It's not a deserve league. DAC has never earned $49 million. That Michael Parsons, whatever the market bears, he gets what he gets. Dak is overpaid because Jerry waited too long. And therefore, I mean, if you go look at Dak Prescott in his career against playoff teams,

he's won 35% of his games. Mahomes is won 65%. Mahomes makes $36 million. Kansas City made moves. They got that receiver from the Giants. Dak makes $49 million next year. Mahomes, $36 million is a GM. I sleep like a baby.

49 million for Dak next year. I am tossing and I'm turning. Dak is a complimentary quarterback. This team's gone five and one last two years with Cooper Rush. He's Kirk Cousins. If you surround him with this and surround him with that and surround him with that, Kirk and Dak are great complimentary players. They're not leading anybody anywhere.

It's very much to a. Give them a good coach, a lot of weapons, great left tackle. You can win games. And Dak won games. His best year is a rookie. Zeke was a star. Best offense in line in football. Yes.

So look at Philadelphia and Miami right now. Philadelphia and Miami aren't paying their quarterbacks anything. They're just loading up their roster. I mean, Philadelphia, A.J. Brown in the offseason. And then they get Quinn, the edge rusher from Chicago. those are two huge playmaking pieces because they don't have a quarterback making $49 million. Big difference between deserve and earn.

And I don't dislike Kirk Cousins. I don't dislike Dak, but you all scream for your players to get paid. This is a hard cap. You need flexibility. Aaron Rogers, Green Bay is not flexible. Dallas Cowboys next year. Brandon Cooks has an $18 million guaranteed contract next year.

be one thing if it was this year, it's next year, because Dax cap hit this year and bad. But the next four or five years is brutal. I mean, think about this. If I told you Jimmy Garapolo had a $49 million cap hit, you would think that is outrageous next year. Look at his career numbers with Dack. Both get hurt more than you'd like.

Dax got a better winning – Garopolo's got a better winning percentage, passer rating. yards per attempt, completion percentage, and playoff record. You would be, it would be literally malpractice if Garoppelow was a $49 million cap hit. You'd be like, that's outrageous. That's what DAC is. So Dallas wanted to make a move. I do not understand fans always clamoring for pay my guy, pay my guy. It's a hard cap.

You want flexibility. Listen, I love Russell Wilson. But starting in a couple years, I don't have it in front of me, but I looked at his cap situation. It's like 55 million a year starting in a few years for like five years. You are, it's not like, it's not like the NBA where guys get to the end of a contract and you can trade people. And, you know, there's a lot of these league. I mean, the Warriors are literally like so much over the cap. Their owner pays this luxury tax in the hundreds of millions. But, you know, the Dallas Cowboys wanted to make a move. And you wanted Dak to get paid.

Top of the market. Well, you can't have both. Philadelphia added a great edge rushing piece. Miami added a great piece. San Francisco added a piece. Dallas can't afford to do next year. Anybody they have to pay next year, can't. Let's shift to this.

Steve Nash fired during our show yesterday, mutually parted ways. So I don't know Steve Nash well, but we work out at the same athletic club and play tennis. And so I've known people through the years that know him and in the NBA that know him. And the two things I was basically told yesterday, which are Nash had been, and I said this yesterday, Nash had been talking all summer long that he was tired of babysitting this group. They were kids, especially Kyrie, you're babysitting. The second thing is, and it's a fair argument that Steve's not a confrontational guy, and this team probably needed a tough confrontational coach. If you look in the NBA where you got a lot of coddled superstars,

confrontational coaches do well. The guy in Boston who got fired is going to get the Brooklyn job, confrontational, Popovich, confrontational. Spolster can be confrontational. Steve Kerr. Ty Lou, by the way, willing to be confrontational. So Mike Dan Tony's a very good coach, but he won't be confrontational. Mike Dan Tony bounces around this league.

You've got to be willing to confront stars. And that's not Steve Nash's thing. He's a really nice guy. He is best served, as somebody told me yesterday, as a consultant, which he was. believe for the Warriors, that's how his relationship started with KD. He was a consultant for the Warriors. He's a great consultant, super, super, super smart guy. Steve Nash is one of the smartest people I've ever talked to involved in American sports. Great guy, smart guy. He may be better served on a team with mature players that he doesn't have to babysit. I'm not saying he couldn't be a coach,

but with this group it wasn't going to work. So Kevin Durant yesterday on the news that Nash has gone. I mean, you're always shocked when a move like this happens, but it's normal in the NBA. We had a tough start. It was a rocky year, last year, rocky summer. We knew that everybody was being evaluated. We didn't have a healthy team. We just didn't play well. And that's what happens in the league.

It happens. So that doesn't take away from Steve's basketball IQ, his, you know, how he teaches the game. I don't think that takes away from anything. We just didn't work out. I contend that you can't build a sharing authentic team culture, an honest team culture around Kyrie Irving. Colin, what about Cleveland? That was LeBron's franchise. And by the way, by the end of year two, start of year three, LeBron was struggling with Kyrie.

You can't. He tried it in Boston. They tried to build it around Kyrie. Failed. Cleveland before LeBron. Failed. Brooklyn. Failed.

Okay. This whole Brooklyn thing has always given Kyrie too much influence. Remember, Kyrie's going home. That was the headline. KD's joining Kyrie. That was the headline. He's always had way too much influence here. And I don't believe you can build anything around Kyrie Irving.

It's failed everywhere. And leadershipless and leadership's a weird thing. but Kevin Durant doesn't want to be that guy probably could be a leader but he doesn't want to be Kyrie's incapable of it and Steve Nash is non-confrontational with a team that was desperate probably for it that's why where Brooklyn is going now with a coach it may have a better chance to work out but some people are just really really talented Kyrie is one of those if you're building around him it's not going to work didn't work in Boston it didn't work before Laplace Brong got there to Cleveland. It's not working in Brooklyn. It doesn't work. And so I said it last year,

and I'd never said it before. He's the only star I would have ever traded for rotational players. You cannot build anything around him. Doesn't mean he's not talented. He hit the shot that helped Cleveland win a title, the great series against the Warriors. I mean, it's an iconic NBA moment. Nobody's doubting that. But Nash has told people in the summer, he was just exhausted. from the constant babysitting. That's where we're at. Oh, so Packer fans, Packer fans apparently yesterday.

Now they want the GM fired. God blame somebody. They want the GM fired. Okay, that's interesting. We'll address that terrible GM in Green Bay. Brian Gunguntz. We're going to address just a terrible general manager. We're going to address that coming up next.

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This year started, and I picked the Vikings to win the division, and I said, Green Bay is not going to be the same team. Not a single Packer fan reached out to me and said, you're right, we're not that talented. I was an idiot. I was a moron. We are dominant. And I said, well, you don't have Devante Adams. We were 7 and 0 without him.

We are looted. So clearly you love your players in your roster. Now you want him fired? When I wouldn't put them in my top 10 hierarchy, remember J-Mack was here. I said they're not a top-10 team. I watched the games. Not a single Packer fan ever said, yeah, I think their roster's a little overrated. Not one.

You mock. You lecture. You criticize those who don't consider them a Super Bowl team before the season started. So you must like their roster. Nobody wins just with a quarterback. I'm sorry. But you can't have it both ways. You can't tell everybody that you are great and a Super Bowl team,

and then you don't make a deal at the trade deadline and want the GM rip because you don't have enough players. You don't have enough players, at least on offense. But Green Bay's defense is loaded with talent. It's underachieving. Is that the GM's fault? They got players everywhere. The special teams have been wobbly since Matt LaFleur showed up. Is that the GM's fault?

You don't use Aaron Jones on a reality. regular basis enough. Is that the GM's fault? Aaron Rogers took top of the market money and refused to work out as much as he could have with rookie wide receivers. Is that the GM's fault? Mike Sando of the Athletic, a great reporter. Mike Sando, the Athletic, Athletics got great reporters everywhere. I read it every single day of the year. An NFL anonymous NFL executive didn't paint Aaron Rogers in a good light when it comes to

his desire for wide receivers. An exec told Sando, very trustable, legit guy, there's so much there in Green Bay we don't know when it comes to Aaron and his receivers. It's almost like why would you spend premium draft capital on somebody he probably won't like? Nobody's good enough for Aaron. That's probably part of it too. You got to think about that. Took him years to get Devonte Adams and him to the right place.

I don't know. You give Patrick Mahom new wide receivers. They're good in September. Juju Smith-Juster. It doesn't take Mahomes long. It doesn't take Josh Allen long. I mean, Tom Brady, he got Mike Evans, Chris Godwin. You're one, won the Super Bowl.

So you all want the GM fired. Which is it? Is maybe it Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rogers? They deserve the blame? You're blaming the general manager. You keep telling me how great your team is. When I'm like, I take the Jets a couple weekends ago, remember that? I picked the Jets over the Packers.

Not a single Packer fan said, that's interesting. We're overrated. Our talent's not as good as people think. Not one. It's outrage. Mocked. Can't have it both ways. There are plenty of good players here. Absolutely. Defensively, I love their corners. I think they got good defensive line talent, safety talent, but it's underachieving.

Can't blame that on the GM. That's not a GM's issue. Not out there coaching. So which is it? are you a Super Bowl? Because the teams I like in the Super Bowl have a bunch of good players. Buffalo's got a bunch of good players. Niners got a bunch of good players. Philadelphia has got a bunch of good players.

Baltimore's got a bunch of good players. Kansas City's got a bunch of good players. I mean, a lot of you think Dallas is a Super Bowl team. If they're completely healthy, they're interesting. I think they're on the fringe. They need another receiver. But you can't go both ways. You can't bang on the GM when you're outraged anytime anybody goes,

I don't know. I think Minnesota's got more good players. You'd be the first guy to run to your Twitter, Reddit, social media, and call out people. Which is it? J-Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I'll say, you're right, the Packers were a rare whiff of mine. And I was trying to get you, you got to put the Packers in, you got to put them in.

And we kept saying when I picked Jets over, I mean, I miss all the time, but I said, I watch the games. Where are they great? I think Aaron Jones is great. Great. They go in now, now this past week against Buffalo, they really leaned on him. But they went a month where you couldn't figure out why they weren't going to the other errand.

I thought the defense, stop me if you disagree. I thought the defense played kind of well against Buffalo for spurts. No, they held them to two for seven on third down. They have a lot of penalties on the Packers. I like Jair Alexander running his mouth because I like to run my mouth a lot. We all, all of us before the season, all of us said, Green Bay's defense is really good. We all said wide receiver is going to be an issue.

So they're a very predictable mess. But it's like you can't have it both ways. Now you want to fire the general manager. This roster, I don't believe, has a great coach and has a very prickly quarterback who is a lot more difficult than people think. I think his inability to just go and put your arms around these young receivers is a big part of the struggle.

But at the same time, When you win 13 games three years in a row, and you can't get to the Super Bowl, and then if they win like nine games this year, somebody's got to pay the price. You've got to whack somebody. I don't know if it's a coordinator. Somebody's going to pay the Piper. All right, let's get to the news. First up, so I start calling your Chicago Bears since you are like,

I think you're wearing a Bears T-shirt today under that shirt. Can I say this? Yeah. I don't think the Bears today are as good as the Packers. But the Packers have to play the Bears in crucial games that could get them to the playoffs. So if I'm a Green Bay guy, I'm sitting there today thinking, Chase Claypool makes them better. There's a report that the Packers were bidding for Claypool. And then the Bears said, fine, we'll give our own second round pick, which is higher than the Packers had.

That's a key. That's unconfirmed. I think it was a former ESPN reporter said that. That is the key in that is that that pick will be better than the Packers pick. Certainly, no doubt. So they add Claypool and listen, they need offensive weapons. GM Ryan Poles is very excited about the addition of Chase Claypool. I am excited about this player.

You know, I really like the way that our offense is starting to come together and move. I thought it was important to add another impact player to our offense to go along with the guys that we currently have in the receiver room right now. I like the way Justin is trending and I think adding another big body whose physical, explosive, great leaping ability can stretch the field but also is very violent with a ball in his hand as well as a blocker. I think that enhances everyone around them. Yep. It's great. And remember, the other receiver they have, their best receiver, is a small receiver. So he's got a different body type, different ability. This is, I think it's a really good pick. I don't know how great it makes them, but it does give you clarity. Okay, now you're giving enough weapons to Justin Fields. Not enough. They still need another receiver, I think, next year.

but this does create end of this year some clarity on what can Justin do when he has reasonable weapons. It's still not a loaded weapons core, but it's now more reasonable. A couple things. So you know T.J. Hushmanzada, obviously, does stuff at this network.

I got to know him a little bit. He trained Claypool leading up to the draft, and he kept raving to me, Jay, this dude, Claypool is an atom. A 6-4-2-40. Just an absolute beast can block, run. I mean, think about this. You come into the NFL and score

nine touchdowns as a rookie, that's pretty damn good. He came in and was instantly a massive hit. And Colin, I'll give you a name. You mentioned tight end maybe for the Bears. How about the kid Michael Mayer at a Notre Dame? He is a superstar in the making. You add him to that offense, you know, for Justin Field short stuff. Claypool, I think the Bears arrow is pointing up with.

This is a buy team for next year. The great thing about what the Bears did, and you were here, and we set it in the preseason, Roquan Smith is a great player. it's time to move him because he's not winning divisions. You have got to identify. This is what the jets are going through right now. I mean, this is what they're going through. Okay, too, but a second, yes, yes.

Can he play? Can our quarterback play? So right now it's not fair to judge Justin Fields because the O lines make shift. So now you give him two legit receivers. We all like Cole come at, a couple of good backs. So now you're getting closer to a, okay, does he improve a clay pool? My guess is, slightly?

Yes. And therefore, it would prove to you by the end of the year, if we keep adding weapons, he keeps getting better. By the way, Tua, Jalen Hertz, Josh Allen, they keep getting better. Some guys you give weapons to them, they don't get better. These guys keep getting better, the better weapons. That's when you got a guy you can, you know, pay some money to. Don't forget David Montgomery, the running back everybody in Chicago seems to. Well, and Herbert behind him is good.

Yes, yes. All right. Next up, it is the aforementioned Jets. Listen, Zach Wilson taking a lot of heat after the three picks and the loss of the Patriots. Afterwards, Robert Sala defended him. Some of the Wilson's teammates came to his defense. Listen, Zach Wilson is really liked in that locker room. He is a nice young guy.

He's friendly with everybody. Even the GM, Joe Douglas, is making sure everybody knows the Jets are committed to their QB. We're four-in-one with Zach as our quarterback. And, you know, Zach brought us in his first game back. He brought us back from a double-digit deficit in hostile territory in Pittsburgh. So I know I'm sure he'd say that he'd want a few of those throws back, but he also had nine explosive passes. There's a lot of good to take away from that game.

I know the focus was on the turnovers, but we love Zach. We love the way his approach is every week. Love his competes. And he's our quarterback. All right, there you go. We'll see. Joe Douglas needs a larger hat.

I mean, his head looks like. I called a former New York jet yesterday. Okay. And I said, what do you think of Zach Wilson? He said, I need a few more games. Obviously, yeah. But we'll see. It's fun.

This is part of the journey that's fun. So I had a guy tweet at me. Look at the completion percentage. 35 quarterbacks have qualified. Zach Wilson rates 34th in completion percentage. Okay, well. In on target throws, which are graded as, you know, on targets. If a guy can catch it, he's 33rd out of 35.

It's not great. It's not great. Now, listen, the offensive line stinks. We can admit it was an abject failure. Especially with Vera Tucker. Injuries. I mean, where's, uh, Mackay Beckton? Final note, Colin.

A couple quarterbacks could be on the market this summer. I'm going to keep an eye on. Derek Carr, Raiders. Ryan Tannahill, I do not want anything to do with Ryan Tanya. Okay, all right. Shemigarapolo, you know who the Jets offensive coordinator is? Well, no, I take. Michael Flore.

I would passing coordinator. Oh, I would take Garoppolo in one second. One second. He's going to have options. Of course he is. over backwards, the Jets. I think he's going to be in high demand, and of course, Josh McDaniels. You want to take, DAC makes 49 million cap it next year.

His numbers in his career are less than Garoppelos. Yeah. Okay. I don't think Garapolo's top of the market, but let's do some comps here. Garoppolo is better than Zach Wilson and Daniel Jones. That is not close. Here's the fun thing about the NFL, Colin. It is starting.

Maybe the Rams get to credit for this with the Von Miller movie. It's starting to feel like a lot. a lot more movement around the league, NBA-ish. I kind of loved it. This show is going to be popping in NFL free. I can already tell you right now. Yesterday was my favorite show I have done maybe in the football season. All this breaking news.

Maybe. Come on. It's got to be number one. It was great. It was epic. All right. Final story. This just broke about an hour ago. The Washington Commanders announced owner Dan and Dan Snyder and his wife have hired Bank of America to explore potential transactions for the franchise.

According to Forbes, which broke the story, the team has filed, oh, sorry, fielded four calls from groups interested in buying the team. All options are being considered, which could be sale of the team or a minority stake. I've got guys on social media screaming, don't move the team, you know, a bunch of places around the country. Why would you move? You wouldn't move the team. D.C. is a great market. Yeah, they have a massive fan base.

Virginia. I mean, you couldn't get season tickets for Washington for like 30 years. This is one of these I think we'll both agree. I feel bad. There's a lot of billionaires in the world. But it takes the right billionaire to own a team, somebody that cares about the people. Steve Ballmer with the Clippers loves basketball. He's spending a lot of money in an arena.

He loves basketball. He's committed to basketball forever. That's my kind of owner. Mark Cuban loves basketball. I mean, screaming at officials. I don't think Dan Snyder is the kind of billionaire that should own a team. I think, and I'm not, I don't know them well enough. at all, but I've now, in my career, known a half a dozen people or more that have worked with

a team, been with a team, and the picture they paint, he is not an owner. This is not somebody you want being at the top of your community in that position. If somebody comes to Dan Snyder and says, we'll give you, what is that, $5.4 billion? By the way, all these NFL teams are worth more than that. Yeah, he's taking that in a heartbeat. And I'll just say this, as a minority owner of a basketball team and a soccer team. Colin, it's one of the coolest things to be in the front row when you know the coach is screwing up and you're already looking at future targets and free agencies coming up for our soccer team.

Like, it's very exciting and fun. And I can see how Daniel Snyder gets over-exuberant, but he's out of his depth here. Like his relationship with RG3, remember that? He was like RG-3's like best friend. And you can't have that. You've got to keep a bit of a distance. Listen, maybe you get a group together and make a run. No, no, I just don't.

I think it's a privilege to own an American sports franchise, and it takes somebody with some human decency, and I just don't think Dan Snyder's a quality guy. I don't begrudge anybody for making your money. He can make it in any other industry. But you own an American sports franchise. That is a select club, and there are certain. Donald Sterling lost the right to own a pro's franchise.

Mard Schott lost the right to own a franchise. There's a guy at Phoenix Sarver. I think, I don't think he's lost the right to own a team. and I think Dan Snyder falls in that group. He's just not an appropriate person. Washington fans very excited today. It's a awesome day. Now, it's not official yet.

So when I grew up, when I was very, very young, I can remember, I mean, I can remember this. All the games run on TV. So this is back in the 70s, the mid-70s. I wasn't even born yet. Okay, so I'm like 11, 12, 13 years old. My friend Jack Jones, love the Rams. I like the Washington football team with like George Allen.

And I can remember it was the first kind of team professional team. back then we had like a black and white TV or a small TV. And I can remember calling on the phone and the Rams would play in Washington. Washington was a bedrock top five on television. The Washington Dallas games, it was the, I mean, I could be miss speaking here. It felt like easily the biggest rivalry in the league when I was a kid. I think you told the story like the Dallas Cowboys are not close to the NFC East. All those teams are in the 95 quarter.

they wanted to be in the NFC East because that's where the action was at with Washington, New York, and Philly. Washington, a bedrock franchise. Any of you cowboy fans watching, go to my social, if you're over 50. But it seems to me when I was a kid, the biggest rivalry in the NFL.

Now, I could be wrong. It felt like, maybe it was because I like Washington. Washington, Dallas. Stobach, the Clint Longley game, Billy Kilmer games. All right, all right, you're losing the crowd. Okay, come on. Jay Mack with the news.

Who are these guys? Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. The Joel Clatt, top of the hour, will be joining us for the college football stuff. The one thing I'll say is, so they came out last night,

the college football rankings came out last night, and I don't really have a problem. I don't buy Clemson yet. That doesn't mean Clemson couldn't impress me in the next five or six weeks. I've watched them a couple of times. I watched the entire Syracuse game. I don't really get Clemson yet.

Yet, teams grow. Teams have a right to improve. Tennessee, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson, Michigan, 5, Bama, TCU, Oregon, USC, LSU. It sounds, you know, it feels about right. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't doubt that Ohio State's really good. But in the SEC, a much deeper conference, it's iron on iron.

And Ohio State, until they play Michigan, is iron on aluminum. The SEC is much deeper. And I'll give you an example of this. I mean, like this week, Ohio State faces academic power Northwestern, followed by Indiana, followed by Maryland. In the last 10 drafts, I always feel like I get a sense of what an SEC team is by week seven or eight. I don't know what Ohio State is. I was told how great they were last year. Then Oregon, a legitimate team came into Columbus and knocked them off.

So in the last 10 drafts, so go to the last 10 years in college football. Bama has been the SEC's best program on average over the last 10 years and Ohio State has been the best Big 10 program over the last 10 years if you take Ohio State and Bama out of their conferences, out of the NFL draft last 10 years, the number of big 10 players drafted last 10 drafts, not including Ohio State guys, 307, the number of SEC players not drafted last 10 years,

take out Alabama players is almost, 500. So the depth of talent in the SEC is so much deeper. And by the way, Alabama was better than Ohio State the last 10 years. So the best team in the SEC was better than the best team in the Big Ten. So until they face Michigan, I have no idea. I really don't. I keep, I, a lot of what I see with Ohio State is just dominating average teams. This weekend in the SEC, it's another classic SEC weekend where I got Tennessee facing, what are they facing Georgia and LSU facing Bama? You're going to have 50 NFL players on that field. So I'm going to know over the course of the weekend by week eight.

I'm going to be like, I know what these teams are. I don't know what Ohio State is. I'm not doubting they're very good. But this is one of the things where, and we have a Big Ten contract, so everybody here is very Big Ten friendly. The SEC is the best, deepest conference. and I really do argue for SEC teams always being in the college football playoff if you think they're overranked. But at least I know what they are. Ohio State, I don't doubt they're great.

But until they face Michigan, I'm not going to really know. I imagine, you know, I mean last year, an hour before kickoff Buckeye fans thought they were going to crush Michigan and they got rolled. And I thought they were going to crush Oregon. And they got rolled. So I don't know. I never get quite a true feeling with the Buckeyes until they face another top. top five national recruiting team. I don't know.

So everybody doesn't like Clemson in their top 10. I agree. I don't know Clemson. Is Ohio State number two? Would they beat Bama? Would they beat Georgia? I don't know. I struggle sometimes getting a true test in that conference.

Are we sure Alabama is that good, Colin? Well, they've been good for 15 years. It struggled with Texas, lost to Tennessee. Defense is very suspect. All right. I mean, listen, they're a top five team, but better than Ohio State? All right. Live in L.A. Peter King next.

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The NFL trade line is now busier, more frenetic, and you don't get a heads up. Like stuff happens and you're like, whoa, what? So much of the NBA's trade deadline is just this sort of media game of hype to, I don't know if it's to create clicks or interest in the league. I don't know. But in the NBA, it's a big soap opera. Very rarely does the deal get made. I mean, we've been here about this Westbrook thing for six months.

When's it going to happen? The NFL deals like happen out of nowhere. Like yesterday on the show, like six deals happen. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. the NFL does a very job to keep secrets apparently because that stuff yesterday and I got to tell you I'll go back to this Robert Quinn to Philadelphia of all the deals made that to me is the one that is under the radar

Robert Quinn is 32 I think great locker room guy wonderful guy highly productive player highly productive pro bowl guy last year I think people love him in Chicago he was buried because they didn't play with a lot of leads. He is going to tee off as an edge rusher now. On an edge, Eagles leading third quarter, fourth quarter. I thought that was a spectacular move.

Remember last year, Vaughn Miller with the Broncos goes to the Rams. And I don't remember what I said on it, but I, you know, I remember thinking, is he shot? Like he just, because Denver was bad, Drew Locke was bad, they were trailing in games. What's his value? And so then Vaughn Miller goes to the Rams. They're leading games late. He can just pin his ears back and rush the passer. Vaughn Miller not only rehabs,

like gets a massive contract with the bills. So I just know this. If I'm a playoff team and I'm in a game close and I got a lead and there's one or two drives left, Robert Quinn on my team is a great guy to have on the edge. He's a fantastic player. And people say, well, he doesn't have as many stacks of this. year. First of all, getting sacks is hard, unless you're a Bosa, unless your last name is Bosa,

getting sacks is hard. It really does help when you play with a lead. That helps a lot. By the way, the other night, now Miles Garrett's always good, but it does help when you lead Cincinnati late and Burl's got to throw and Burl's got to drop back and you have a mismatch and here comes Miles Garrett. And Miles Garrett knows you have to throw. You can do all the deception you want. It's hard to block these guys. So I just thought yesterday was unbelievable day. And by the way, I did watch the World Series last night, about half the innings. I don't think I've ever seen. I don't know what it is. And this is a weird comp. Philadelphia is obviously a great sports fan town. You used to live there.

When Bryce Harper hit that bomb, that home run, the video of that, the fans in the stands, was some of the craziest stuff I've ever seen. Maybe it's because Philadelphia hasn't won a lot recently. You know, maybe they're, I mean, they're a very intense fan base. But the reaction in the crowd was people were literally leaving their seats and jumping and hugging arms. It was crazy. It looked like a college football crowd national championship.

And it just struck me that, you know, Bryce Harper, who's had the weight of the world on his shoulders since he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated at 16 years old. I met his dad one time. And I was in a, I don't know where I was. His dad was watching him play. I happened to be at the same game. And his dad's like a pretty fit guy. And, I mean, this kid walked into the league.

Remember when Bryce Harper came into the sport? And he had the big hair and the big flare. And he kept saying, we're not having enough fun in the sport. And it was, was it, was that A.J. Persensky or one of his teammates was all over him, that he was too showy. And it was like, remember Bryce Harper battled some teammates early when he just came out and said, we got to have more fun. Football guys are having fun.

Soccer guys are having fun. Hockey guys are having fun. Why can't we have fun? It's sports. And baseball, there's a way to play the game. It is so great now, so refreshing to see this Philadelphia team. They celebrate like a college baseball team in Omaha. They celebrate like college kids do.

And Harper came into this league and got a ton of pushback from veterans because he had too much flair and too much style. and he had the big hair and it's like, folks, since when is that a bad thing for sports? It is a great thing for sports. And now Bryce Harper, it looks like he's played. It's looked like this is the freest he's ever been allowed to be. This is who he is.

He's a trash talking, big personality, got an ego. That guy is so, is there a player in baseball that is more connected to their fan base than Bryce Harper in Philadelphia? If he was sitting in right field knocking down a Budweiser, he would look like a Philadelphia fan, you know, more ripped. But I think that is baseball needs more Bryce Harper's and more connectivity and more flare and more bat throwing and more cocky and more over the top.

This is exactly what baseball needs. I mean, Aaron Judge is great, but are we sure he wants to play on the East Coast? Are we sure he loves that front office? I don't know. Bryce Harper's having the time of his life. Unbelievable. It literally sucks you into the television. I can't believe you're trying to take Aaron Judge out of New York.

No, no. He's a great player. But I'm sure he's having a good time, but didn't he play out West? He grew up like Fresno State or somewhere on Chico Cal? I don't know where he was somewhere west. I just think Bryce Harper came into the sport and got nothing but crap from people because he had a way to play and he didn't care about these old

unwritten baseball rules. He was great. He was cocky. He had the hair. He had the flare. He didn't care. He liked this jersey dirty. He didn't care.

And you got all these old... Remember the old catcher for the Braves and Yankees? I forget his name. He would like stand at the plate when you circled the bases for a home run. Stare you down. Oh, give me a break. Sports is fun.

Philadelphia fans. That's what sports should be. The Padres have a couple guys like that right now. I love them. They're cocky. Good vibes, right? As the kids said. Yeah, I mean, Machado, I mean, all the guys for the Padres. Podres play with a total chip on their shoulder.

And by the way, the fans feed into that. The San Diego crowds are nuts. The Philly crowds are not. I mean, this has nothing against Houston. But, you know, we always say your team becomes your quarterback. Every L.A. team that's ever been great always had some flair to them because it's part of Los Angeles. Every Detroit team that's been great is tough.

Motor City, it's tough. It's a tough city. Like Philadelphia is passionate. Bryce Harper loves baseball. He's passionate. Let people be who they are and just let the chips fall where they may. It's impossible not to root for Philadelphia. When you watch it on television, it is impossible not to root for them.

I was sitting there watching the game. I called a friend has a restaurant. I said, I'm going to come up, get a chicken farm or something, just get the TV on. And I was listening to it on radio. and radio is not the same as TV. It literally that crowd sucks you into the television. It is fantastic. And Harper's fantastic and got crap for years.

And now I hope everybody appreciates you're looking at an all-time talent. Yeah, two MVP awards, I believe. Had some injuries. Right? Washington and now with Philly. Easy got to root for. Yeah. I like it.

So, in last, you know, like last night it got to some point. I was sitting watching when, there were a couple bombs by Philadelphia, one a line drive, one of bomb to center, and I think it was like 7-0-0-0-Bething, and I didn't turn it off. Yeah. I mean, 7-0 baseball game most of the time,

even a playoff game, you'd turn it off. Philadelphia fans sucked me in, sat there for the next 30 minutes, knocking down my food and watching it. Poor Astros, right? I feel so bad for that franchise. You feel bad for him? No, absolutely not.

Do you see Mattress Max getting in arguments with fans? I don't really understand who this guy is. Like, I just don't get, like, Mattress Mac. That's your nickname? Well, he runs a big business down in Houston. He's covered by insurance, I would have mattered. I've seen it on social media. I just kind of ignore it.

Apparently, down there, he is it. He is the very popular mattress Mac. And go to Houston about once a decade, I don't know. All right. Joel Clats around the corner. Peter King Next Hour. Chris Brousard, loaded show, hour one down. On a Wednesday, it's the herd.

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