The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Defending Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Colin casts doubt on the Thunder as title contenders despite getting a big win over the Celtics and having the best record in the West He defends Aaron Rodgers taking time to decide where he wants to play in 2025 with reports saying he is holding teams "hostage"See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We've had a very, very fun week. There's still the Aaron Rogers situation. We'll get into Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins. So now, what I'm really excited about, For the first time this year, here's what I do, I am dropping my NFC predictions. You've got to have four new teams between the AFC and the NFC. Today I'll do the Fox Conference. I'll do NFC.

I've got three new playoff teams. I will do the AFC tomorrow at the top of the second hour. You know I take a lot of time on that. I came in with my notes in my pocket this morning. So I've looked at schedules. I've looked at free agency. I've looked at coaching moves. most of the free agency has done except old quarterbacks.

Did you look at the Bears' schedule closely? I'm hearing top five toughest schedule in the league. Sure. Yeah. I think you'll like it. One hour from now. Let's start with this. Celtics lost to OKC.

What do I make of it? A lot of people, myself included, think that's very likely that is the NBA championship preview. What do I make of it? Boston is a team that can often be weird at home. They're just a weird home team. They're better on the road this year. And number two is really good, really deep teams without a title yet, OKC. Remember the old Bulls teams with Derek Rose?

They play their butt off in the regular season. So the regular season's about depth and intensity. If you have a lot of bodies and you play hard every night, home and away, and you have one great player, and SGA is certainly that, you're going to win a lot of games, plus Boston couldn't shoot last night. But we all know this. I never overreact to this. I said it about Cleveland last year.

I'll say it about OKC this year. I said it about the Derek Rose Bulls forever. Playoff basketball and regular season basketball are two different things. Think about it this way. Regular season basketball is babysitting. Playoff basketball is parenting. same kids every night couple of weeks no days off always discomfort that's playoff basketball you're not just waltzing in the town you're more rested you throw a bunch of bodies at them

you play your arse off the Celtics have a trophy the Celtics have the better team and i mean you can't fool the players i saw this brian winhorst who does a great job says NBA players don't respect the thunder as contenders this year that's what players think Because they understand it. You can't fool them. The Celtics don't really have a weakness. OKC has several. The average age is 24 and a half.

Those teams don't win the title. They're arguably second best player. Chet Holmgren gets hurt a lot. And number three is, they play like 10 guys. You play like 7 to 8 in the playoffs. So one of their real strengths, which is depth, you're not going to have that in the playoffs. And the other thing I'd throw out there is young teams tend to be great at home and not very good on the road in the playoffs. And that is OKC. So, you know, in the regular season,

I would suspect last night, you know, OKC wanted to make an imprint. They're also trying to win their star in MVP. Celtics don't care about that crap. Take the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs experiment in the regular season. You know who doesn't? The Buffalo bills and the Baltimore Ravens. They're great in the regular season. But who's usually great in the AFC in the postseason? We know who the answer is, Kansas City. So Jalen Brown, you got to give him credit, but this doesn't mean much to me. That boy good. You know what I mean? That boy is good. You know, big fan of his game, you know, Shifty, I'm crafty around the basket, knows how to use his body well, draws fouls, has been hitting the three ball well,

you know, tough, definitely a guy that, you know, you watch and you study to be better if we end up playing him down the line. But, no, he's a tough cover. He's been playing some good basketball, and you got to tip your cap. Absolutely. That's what you do. That's what you did with the Derek Rose Bulls. You tip their cap. They had a bunch of dudes they could play. They had a rock star. They're trying to win him MVP. They're playing their butt off. Everybody freaks out. But I didn't trust him in the postseason. LeBron came in, squash their dreams. OKC, Luca, LeBron, Austin Reeves, Rui, Jackson Hayes, more experience, be a better road team than Oklahoma City is in the playoffs. Take a deep breath.

I still have Boston winning it all. Okay, so this is interesting. So, former NFL GM, Doug Whaley, was talking on a Pittsburgh podcast, and he says basically Aaron Rogers is holding the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New York Giants. hostage. There was a picture of Aaron Rogers that made the internet in Malibu, and he's got earphones in and a blanket over his shoulder. It says it is unclear if he was listening to music, a podcast, or perhaps taking a call from his agents concerning his next team. Sources tell me he was listening to the herd. A damn right he was, absolutely. And his takeaway is that show is fresh. And who knew Colin took magnesium. So let me defend Aaron Rogers here.

the Steelers and the Giants have backed themselves into a corner because the Giants have been reaching on quarterbacks and that Steelers have been ignoring the position until it's, you know, late free agency for a long time. These two teams, the Giants and the Steelers, are being willingly detained is the way I'd put it. And, you know, Giants have made too many bad choices upstairs and the Steelers don't take quarterback seriously enough. So as for Aaron Rogers, I would be walking on a beach looking very sad if at 41 years old, the Giants and the Steelers were my last two options. There's a report out there. It could be Minnesota.

But I'm just going to defend Aaron here. It's March 13th. And he was just officially released by the Jets yesterday. Okay? So he's gone from a darkness retreat to Egypt in the summer to walking on the beach in Malibu. I see that as personal growth. I think he's actually getting somewhere. And I just, I'll tell you.

And I don't feel bad for teams who can't get their act together. The Giants' front office is bad. And the Steelers' lack of urgency at quarterback and tone-deaf sensibility to offense is their problem. So, I mean, to me, Aaron Rogers has earned a walk on the beach to contemplate. He got officially released yesterday. He's a hard guy to figure out. There's a story out there about the Minnesota Vikings.

I said this yesterday, and I am totally in the minority. I would take the New York Giants over the Steelers. I get an offensive coach. I get a great left tackle. I've got an excellent receiving weapon who doesn't appear to be as needy as Pittsburgh's too. And the things they, and they've got some pretty decent defensive personnel. Also, the Steelers spend too much money on defense where it does feel like the Giants would rather spend money on offense. So I like the Giants.

By the way, both divisions are tough. yeah, you're going to have to face the Eagles and yeah, you're going to have to face the Ravens. Yeah, you're going to have to face Jaden Daniels. Yeah, you're going to have to face Joe Burrell. It's the NFL. Not everything can be the NFC South. Okay. So my take is I'll take the offensive coach who's worked with Josh Allen.

I'll take the left tackle. I'll take neighbors. I'll take, you know, the Giants need a running back in a tight end. By the way, it's a very good draft for running back in the tight end. I like the giant situation. Here was Albert Brewer yesterday on Aaron Rogers. Pittsburgh is saying, like, we just need somebody to put us over the top of the position. So I do wonder if that's going to be a factor in his decision making.

Again, only he knows, and he's very private about these things. And I don't know what the timeline is. It could happen in 10 minutes. It could happen in 10 days. But, you know, I do think, you know, we're all a product of our own experiences. And I look at this, like Pittsburgh offers him as something that's a little bit different than what he went through with the Jets, where I think the Giants would be asking him to do something similar to what the Jets were asking him to do a couple of years ago.

And to that, I would say he's right. The Giants would need him a little bit as a savior, but I'm going to make the argument, Mike Tomlin and the Steelers need saving two. Two receivers who are demanding the ball on offense can't get the O line right, just lost their left tackle, just lost their number one running back. Okay, so you've added drama at wide receiver. Less talented at left tackle. Less talented at the backfield.

Pittsburgh has shown no ability to get the offensive line right. We look at the Giants. We look at the New York Giants as a mess. They need saving. I'm here to argue offensively, the Pittsburgh Steelers need saving. That's the difference here. We view the Steelers. Isn't it the last three or four playoff games, the Steelers have been in?

they've been behind by at least 21 points on each of them. They're not a viable AFC championship team at all. And the Giants aren't a viable team in the NFC for a championship. The difference is I get an offensive coach, a great left tackle, a good weapon, and a team willing to spend money on the right side of the ball. So I would take the Giants. I don't think that's where he's going to end up. I think he's going to go to the Steelers, but I would go with the Giants.

And I know it doesn't mean anything, but I got my house, I got my left tackle, I got my coach, I got my wife. weapon. And I do think the Giants at least understand they got to spend some money on offense because their defensive personnel actually is pretty good. Steelers, defensive personnel is better. Giants isn't terrible. So there you go, J. Mack. I'm feeling it with AR. That walk on the beach in Malibu, that pensive look. I like to use such a pensive. Did you do magnesium last night or no? I did. And I slept so well the night before it didn't have the same effectiveness. But it still worked it made me groggy enough to fall asleep.

Okay, all right. I don't know. I'm just glad two folks right now are going to be irrelevant next year, the Dallas Cowboys and Aaron Rogers. Neither of them are going to matter in the NFL. Well, I think it's going to be an awesome season, and we don't even need those two guys. Well, that's true. That's the power.

This is not baseball or the NBA. You need certain brands. That is true. Curry's out for the playoffs. It's like, I thought the Steelers have been, I think the Steelers have been irrelevant, frankly, the last several years. I think the Cowboys were irrelevant last year. When you make the playoffs, you're relevant.

But, like, in terms of title contending, Steelers, by the way, offensive line issues, I don't love the, I don't love their rock. People think the Giants are a wreck offensively. So are the Steelers. So are the Steelers. At least the Giants have a offensive coach and a great left tackle. At least I get that.

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So the Niners gave Brock Purdy extra competition. They have signed Mack Jones to a two-year deal. So this single move is why drafting quarterbacks in the NFL is so hard. So Brock Purdy played with Iowa State guys. Mack Jones played with great Bama guys. And it fooled every single NFL GM. Not a single one had Brock Purdy, who is. was absolutely a much better quarterback than Mack Jones.

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They didn't come from traditional powers. They had to overcome. They had to create their own college offense. They didn't throw to five-star receivers. They often took a beating. They often lacked a run game. And this is precisely why, I like Soudure Sanders in the NFL draft more than NFL GMs.

No run game. Worst in Power 5 football last two years. No offensive line. But Sador Sanders had to initiate his own offense and was pretty productive. And so did Brock Purdy? Did Brock Purdy have a great arm? Because I hear Shadur Sanders didn't have a great arm. Does Brock Purdy?

I hear Sadur Sanders. Well, no, that athletic. He's at least as athletic as Brock Purdy. they both process well, they're both accurate. This is what I say about Shador Sanders. Watch what he played with, not just who he played against. Not a lot of NFL O'L linemen are running backs at Colorado. So his college experience for Shador Sanders,

it looks just like a lot of the Iowa State stuff. In fact, I'd argue Iowa State had better players than Colorado in some instances. So this is why Drag-R-R-R-Sand-A. drafting quarterbacks is tough. Outside of anonymous trolls, everybody makes mistakes. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

I love it, love it when you go after anonymous trolls, Colin. But let's start with the Detroit Lions and Ben Johnson. He leaves the Lions, goes to the Bears, and oh my gosh, what an offseason, your Bears. We've got to call him your Bears, right? Well, in 45 minutes, we'll find out what I think about the Bears. They've been one of the biggest winners in free agents. The biggest winner. Tooney, Jonah Jackson, and Drew Dahlman will fortify the offensive line.

Here's Johnson yesterday talking about the addition. We want some tough, some gritty, some dirty individuals, and we feel pretty good about the two guys we got. Smart is a word that comes to mind, particularly with the interior players. We need guys that we love to have some versatility to our scheme, some multiplicity, if you will. I'm really, really excited to get these guys in the room combined with the coaches that we've already put together for that room. I feel really good about the style of play we'll have this year. Those are really good pickups. Close to the football guys, smart guys.

I saw that they had the 24th rated offensive line last season. Caleb was sacks 68 times. Now, by the way, they have a good right tackle, young guy who looks like he's the right guy. So between these three guys and the right tackle, that will be a top eight O-line this year. By the way, that's what Sean Payton did in Denver. Remember bad to like seventh? Watch the Bears' O-line. And if the O-line's good, then they get Gentie.

Watch out, baby. Super Bowl, here we come. But let's be real. One of the issues they had was Caleb Williams just holding the ball forever. Remember the backyard football that he did at USC? Maybe because it was the offensive line wasn't great in Chicago. He just held the ball forever. Yeah.

And like, I don't think that's going to automatically, like, click just because the offensive lines better. This might be a slow-ish start and then it builds up. But, Colin, I mentioned the schedule. Have you looked at the opponents that the Bears have to face this season? It is brutal. Oh, okay, yeah. You're undaunted. I looked at the Charger schedule last year.

It was brutal. They made the playoffs. Yeah, they did. They got smashed in the first. Washington's schedule was brutal. They made the year. NFC championship. Detroit's schedule was brutal. My takeaway is

just think of the coaching Caleb Williams had to endure last year. Now watch the coaching he gets with Ben Johnson. If you don't think coaching matters for a young quarterback, I mean, do you think Bo Nix was aided a little bit by coaching? A little bit? Do you think Sam Darnold this past year was aided a little bit by coaching?

Caleb Williams, weren't they on like a quarterback passing coordinator? head coach. Something like that. Yeah, I mean, the Jets and the Bears, you're dealing with guys who shouldn't even be coordinators running the show. All right. So we're booking tickets for the Bears.

Well, I'm going to be there already. Maybe you can stop by. NFC championship at the Soldier Field. Hosting it. Speaking of free agency, next story is Russell Wilson still available. And there's a lot of uncertainty where to land, the Steelers haven't ruled out bringing Russ back, but they're not really talking about it. Remember, there was the Justin Fields.

stuff. Well, Russ is taking meetings with the Browns today. Cleveland Browns, who just got Kenny Pickett and our drafting second. That's bizarre to me. And the New York Giants tomorrow. Russ, of course, went on Instagram and posted one of these cool things. There's a couple bad words. There's a lot of swearing with this stuff. He's fired up. He's fired up. I don't like all that swearing. That nobody wants. There's a reason you go to a hotel. They got a Bible in the drawer. Trying to clean your act up on the road. it up, Russ. Clean it up a little bit there.

Either of these, does that do anything for you, Russ to the Cleveland Browns? Does it do anything for me? The Cleveland Browns rarely do anything for me. I like the coach. Coach, I like a lot. What about Russ with Malik neighbors and the Giants? It doesn't do much for me. The Giants, regardless of the quarterback or not.

Unless they get you to her Sanders, that excites me. On some level, you have to wonder what Russ is thinking. Like, hey, man, Justin Fields was fine. I came on. We were, what, 10, 11? You know what's weird? I was thinking about this. And, like, nobody wants me?

So the biggest cities in the country are New York and L.A. And L.A. is always thinking about star power. I mean, Dean Spanels would tell you, Harbaugh was going to be, we needed big. And the Lakers had AD. And they're like, no. No, we want to upgrade to Luca. And the Rams had gone. And they're like, no, we want a upgrade.

The Giants are like a Midwest football team. Like, you're New York. If you can get Chodor Sanders, that's exciting. Aaron, Russ, cousins. I mean, if the Giants were in Los Angeles, I can tell you what the L.A. football team would do. They would draft Dion Sanders kid because he's pretty good. So it's weird.

When I look at the Giants, it's a great question by you. Does any of this do anything for you? The New York Giants are boring, and they're in New York. I mean, that's what George Steinbrenner always understood. He'd fire Billy Martin, hire, fire high. The bottom line, be interesting. It manners in New York. There's too many things to do for people in the summer, for baseball.

People get to their car. They head to the Hamptons. They head wherever they go. It's like, I look at the Giants, and that's a great question. Like in Pittsburgh, everybody's going to watch regardless. In Cleveland, people watch regardless. New York, Chicago, L.A., man, you've got to make an effort to be interesting and great. And remember, like, Thanksgiving, the holidays, Christmas in New York is so exciting

and fun. Nobody wants to go to a Giants game when they're terrible. Like, I just don't see anything there. Listen, I'm hammering them a little too hard. The Jets, they're not going to be great. But let's wrap up the first hour with a good New York team, and that's my Knicks. What a finish last night. Look at McHale Bridges. Wow. In overtime, Knicks win by one. What stuff from the Villanova Star. Watch the crowd in Portland. Watch this.

It's weird. There were a lot of Knicks fans here. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of, let me see. Look at that. It was loud. If you watch the video and listen, he's got the cool celebration. New Yorkers everywhere. However, Colin, the biggest story about the win came after the game because Bridges told Coach Tom Tibido, the starters need to play fewer minutes.

He's right. He's 100% right. I've been saying this for months. Bridges said that Tibido received the message and he's not arguing about it. I don't know what that means. The Knicks lead the NBA in minutes played by starters. There's no... Look at this.

Minutes per game. The Knicks have three of the top six. This, yes. And by the way... Bronson is 18. By the way, I like Tibbs. But nothing drives me crazier than multiple-time-fired coach who can't move off his system. Tibbs take four to six minutes a night off all those players.

You're going to make the playoffs. You're going to lose some games. Who cares? The seating doesn't matter. There's enough veterans on the Knicks. They can win road playoff games. They're not OKC. It doesn't matter.

want to get at least one home playoff series, reward the fans, right? Get home court, win a series at home. The Knicks are built. I mean, Brunson's been around. Kat's been around. This Mikhail Bridges, these are veteran players that can win road games. Like, you and I know this. If OKC played the Lakers, I can guarantee you, LeBron and Luke are built to win road games. They're older players. So to me, it just, when I see this, whenever I see a coach that's been fired three times. Like, I get when you get fired one. I mean, in most pro sport, and I even get if you went to a second place and we're there forever, you can get fired. But when you start being like, you start getting to a, you've been fired twice, you move to a place, and you're still

doing the thing that people complained about on the way out, that I don't get. I mean, the Knicks fans are like, oh, no, we're falling. We're not going to be third in the east. It's the same nonsense with Lakers fans. They're like, oh, my gosh, Lakers, they're going to be fourth or fifth. It doesn't matter. You need your stars healthy. You need Brunson. You need Bridges. You need LeBron. And I think these coaches are just, it's frustrating, especially to be. Yeah. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. It's really interesting. So I think the Bears, in my opinion, New England and the Bears had, and Washington had very good free agent week. And Washington, some of of it was just resigning, you know,

Zach Ertz, Bobby Wagner, some of it was that. Some of it was getting Debo and Laramie Tunzel. But I really like where Chicago really concentrated guard-center guard. That's where we're going to get better. And, I mean, they got two stars. Drew Dalman and Joe Tunney are stars. Two of the best interior O'Liman in the league, and then Jonah Jackson will start. So it wasn't like it was scatter shot.

It was like, bears are like, we're getting better right up front. And so it's interesting. One of the players for the Lions, Amaran St. Brown, was on a podcast this week talking about all the money Chicago has. I feel like the bears have unlimited money. It's crazy. They're just signing a new shit for like 40. Boom, boom. Hey, yeah, they're trying to make sure.

Boom. Jonah Jackson, bang. Drew Dalman, bang. Deo, I don't know how to pronounce the last name. No, give a try. Deo, Adi Inbo. Another, I saw like crazy. A crazy amount of money, Grady Jarrett, bang,

like they're just breaking everybody off. They're trying to get online for Caleb. They're unlimited money. What the f*** is this? I mean, they're cat face. They probably have a high cat face. I mean hot. This is, Ben is making moves, left and right. So it's, first of all,

He's just great. His podcast is great. He's a great player. Amaran St. Brown. Impossible not to like. So he even dyed his hair the team color. I mean, come on. You got to like the guy.

But it's interesting about Detroit. I've got family in Detroit. My wife's family. So huge lion fans everywhere. The lions are entering. It's really interesting here. They're pivoting to a different phase where they're now the hunted. They've won back-to-back division titles.

They're hunted. They now draft. their draft picks that they hit on like Penae Sewell, Amaran St. Brown. Now I got paying big money. So they've moved into employee retention phase. Now their coordinators are getting posed. And go ask the Philadelphia Eagles when you get elite coordinators poached. And you miss on the next coordinators.

Things go sideways fast. And that's for Philadelphia. Also, you're not picking at the top to get Penae Sewell. Aiden Hutchison, now you're picking at the bottom of the first, second, third round. By the way, last year, they went and got a cornerback from Bama. He ranked 67th in the NFL at corner because he was bottom of the first round, which is like a graveyard. There are more missing in the first round from like the 23rd pick to the 31st. Well, that's where the lions are going to be picking from this point forward.

So San Francisco was stacked for six years. No rings. They're in a semi-rebus. The window closes quickly. I say this all the time. I thought Pete Carroll, Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman, I thought that thing was going to be a four, six-year dynasty. Two trips, one ring, see you later. San Francisco, a couple of trips, no rings, see you later.

So Philadelphia, because they have the best GM in the league, and I love the Lions front office. But it is interesting now, you start looking around, and the Giants just changed their entire O-Lond. and and last year it was receivers now by the way and i'll say it again Caleb williams gets elite coaching like jaden Daniels got last year with coaching or what bow nicks got last year with coaching okay so it's a different ballgame and uh and detroit and again i have Detroit in 35 minutes we'll see where i pick them but they do remind me a little bit of you know Philadelphia now Philadelphia you got it, but they moved off coordinators and it went sideways within like eight games.

So, and I did not love Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson are, I mean, there was an argument. The two best coordinators in football last year, Detroit had both. What are the chances that you hire two coordinators and they're better than those guys? The chances are zero. One of your new coordinators will not hit. they won't one may may one won't can we be totally frank here the new offensive coordinator i'm going to say it right now probably not as good as ben johnson probably not going to be that good by the way the eagles found out we're going to hire a guy yeah probably not as good as

shane stuyken and dealing with quarterbacks it's tough all right top of the hour my nfc predictions very excited i've got three new playoff teams It was this time last year When I said, Washington will make the playoffs. You laughed at me. It was hurtful. Things worked out pretty good for the podcaster who Aaron Rogers listened to yesterday on the beach.

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I did. Michigan State can't score. But in college basketball, a lot of times the offense is basically just dump it down to the big guy. That's Michigan and Michigan State. Michigan State can't shoot. And will be like one of the top seeds. So it's, you know, in college basketball, there are very few teams that have offensive depth. You win with coaching and defense, and sometimes you can have one great offensive player.

Michigan State does not. So we may get Tom Isow on before the tournament. Mark Fuaghanzaga. Now, that team generally has really good offense. So Josh Allen, that new contract he signed, one of the reasons I liked it, and I've always said this, with great superstar players pay them early. Everybody else, be patient. I have no problem signing Josh Allen to another big deal.

By the way, he did not break the bank. And what does that tell you that outside of all his unbelievable physical traits, he's also got an emotional one and an intelligence. He gets the big picture. That's why winning matters the most. That's why Tom Brady signed a massive deal with Fox when he left the NFL. The winning thing. Because Kirk Cousins made more money playing football than Tom Brady.

Tom Brady was the winning thing. And I've thought about this before. Michael Jordan and Iverson were iconic, huge in pop culture. One six rings, one none. Why are businesses still throwing money at MJ? It's the winning. If Michael Jordan, as great as he was, was two and four in finals, it wouldn't feel the same. So individual success in pro sports makes

people like you. Individual success with team success makes you a legend. And that's the difference. Dan Marino, maybe the most talented quarterback to ever get into pads, is talked about less than Eli Manning, who was a completely mediocre regular season quarterback.

So Taylor Swift is dating Travis Kelsey, not the Jacksonville Jaguars tied in. There's a reason. Winning makes you more attractive. to everybody, broadcast networks, advertisers, teammates, iconic status. A lot of guys have that. A lot of guys are popular. A lot of guys are rich.

NBA, NFL, baseball. They're all rich. Scoring titles is not what people talk about 20 years later. Carl Malone was like third all-time in scoring two years ago. Nobody talks about him. Nobody talks about Dan Marino, not blaming him. Rory McElroy was talking to Golf Digest last year, and he said, I'm in way better financial position now than I was a decade ago,

and my life is no different. Same three or four rooms in my house. So congratulations on the ninth car for all pro athletes, but Josh Allen sums it up. I didn't want to bankrupt my team. When you start getting these fairly big numbers throughout the entire league, you know, it's weird to say this, but what's five more going to do for my life that I can't already do right now?

I wasn't looking to absolutely kill them in every chance that I could. And I told my agent that I was like, hey, if this has any impact on the pack, or impact on the cap, I should say, let's figure out a way to not do that. And by the way, the game day revenue for Buffalo is not as good as like Los Angeles or Philadelphia or, you know, so the truth of the matter is so much in this NFL, Buffalo's not a big free agent market. It doesn't have massive game day revenue. They don't charge those prices. So, you know, that bank account may not be as big as Jeffrey Lurie's of Philadelphia.

So there's a lot of things to consider when you play in Buffalo. Or Green Bay. Like, what's a house cost in Buffalo? What are the taxes in Buffalo compared to like an L.A.? So to me, like Matt Stafford, could have gone and made more money. You're in Los Angeles. You have Sean McVeigh. You have Pooka Nakua.

You have one of the richest owners. So I look at Buffalo and I'm like, the front office appears to be capable, really solid ownership, really solid B-plus coach, great left tackle, so you get protected. They've got a great running back. And I said this for years and years about Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade's an all-time great player. Everybody love Dwayne Wade. But you have to think about this stuff. So Dwayne Wade gets drafted out of Marquette, goes up in cold weather, and ends up in Miami.

Great owner, Mickey Ererson. best GM in the league, Pat Riley, ends up getting Eric Spolstra, top three coach. No state tax. The NBA is a winter league, the best winter weather in America. Like, there's got to, I mean, if you're not considering that stuff, you're nuts. I've moved four times across country. I consider everything.

So it's like Aaron Rogers and the Giants and the Steelers. I don't have to sell my house. I have an offensive coach. I have a great weapon. I have a great left tackle. That stuff matters, not just, well, Pittsburgh's got a better roster. Pittsburgh's offense is no better with Aaron Rogers than New York's would be. It's a bunch of high-maintenance wide receivers, and they can't get their own line right,

and they put draft capital into it. So, to me, it's about winning. It's about keeping the band together. And, I mean, I don't even need to mention certain quarterbacks in this league. They want to make every penny. Congrats. How many cars? in houses. Do you want to win games? That's what it comes down. Now, I will say this. When Brady was

taking pay cuts forever, I would have had a problem because I think Buffalo drafts pretty well. I think Buffalo. So I'll give up some money. Are you spending it wisely? I think they have. They've tried to get him wide receivers. Amari Cooper, Stefan Dick. So Buffalo has tried to use the money to help him. Kincaid the tight end first round pick. James Cook, excellent. They paid Dionne Dawkins. So Buffalo, what used to drive me crazy for Brady, and I said this when I worked at the other place, he was taking pay cuts as the league's best quarterback.

What do they have to show for it? They never drafted a good receiver. They wouldn't spend any big money in a wide receiver. So now Brady won, but at the end, Tom left New England, not because of the weather in Belichick. He left because New England had no skill people. So they were taking money from Tom forever, and he didn't see the benefit of it.

I don't have a problem if I give back a little bit to my company, if I feel I'm getting value. Is my staff good? Do I have good support, marketing, promotion? I can give it out. Brady, at the end, I was like, just go to Tampa. I mean, I set it on the air. Like Tampa's got Chris Godwin, take gronk with you, Mike Evans, Bruce Ariens, go to Tampa. Great GM, you'll have a bunch of good players.

But I do feel in Buffalo giving it back is they go out and they try to get. players to help you. It seems to me they've drafted pretty well. Maybe not as good as Philadelphia, but they're a top 10 drafting team. I'm okay with that. I've said this for years about Green Bay. Brett Farberin-Rogers, Jordan Love. I would

take less to play for the Packers. They always have a good offensive line. Always. When's the last time the Packers had a terrible offensive line? They always have a smart offensive coach. They don't get as many free agents, but what do you have to spend for a house? I mean, you're spending a million and a half dollars for a house.

You're paying $28 million for a house in Westchester County if you play for the Jets or Giants or in Los Angeles on the beach. You're paying a million and a half in Green Bay. You got less taxes. Always a good O line. Always an offensive coach. And by the way, the media in Buffalo and Green Bay is not this relentless attack dog. That matters as well. My wife used to work in the corporate world.

She contends Buffalo as the nicest people in the world. She's like, everybody bangs on Buffalo in the weather. She's like, I love going to Buffalo. The nicest people in the world. And there's value in that. So that's one of the things about the NFL that's great is that you can argue the three places in the league that treat the players the best are Green Bay Buffalo and Kansas City. Like three of the smallest markets. So I would just take less to be a Packer.

I would currently take less in Buffalo. I feel the value additive by, you know, I mean, good God, if it snows, 12 feet one day, your neighbors come in with blowers and clear the driveway. They're not doing that. They're not necessarily doing that in Philadelphia if you're on two-game losing streak. All right, Jay Mack.

In Philadelphia, you're winning Super Bowls. In Buffalo, you're not getting the season. That being said, Buffalo's my Super Bowl pick for this coming season. I think I got them coming. It's early. Let's see the order of the schedule and draft. I'm serious about this. There are places in the NFL

that I would take less. Green Bay is at the top. So much matters, Colin. Where you are in your career, you know, are you potentially a free agent, who the quarterback is? Like,

there's a lot of actors. I wouldn't take a penny less to play for the Jets. Because I know their ownership's impulsive. I got to deal with the kids in the locker room. I want every penny out of the Jets. Every penny. And I'm getting taxed to death.

I'm taking every penny with the Jets. If I was a star quarterback. But I, Buffalo, Kansas. city. I mean, if I got Andy Reed or Sean McVeigh or Matt LaFleur, I'm taking, I'm going to say, and I said this about D. Wade, I love D. Wade. You're hitting the lottery when you get Spolster up Riley. You're in a winter league. It's Aqua Water, no state tax. And I don't know what D. Wade's financial situation was, but he moved up to Chicago for a couple years,

remember? Or a year. He's like, I'm going back to the Aqua Wattie. I get it. By the way, so you mentioned Chicago. I'm looking at this Bears' opponents for next season. Oh, come on. Colin, it is. They I don't know if they're going to win one game on the road. Oh, God. It is brutal. You want me to rattle them off? Give me, give me, give me.

Okay, so the division folks, we know, Detroit, Green Bay, and Minnesota. Okay, by the way, those teams also have to go to Chicago. Non-divisional match-offs. All right, not. At Baltimore. At Cincinnati. Oh, scary. At Philadelphia.

That's a loss. At Washington. When? At San Francisco. When. And then at the Raiders. Win. Maybe Washington's a loss.

Stop. By the way, if you can win. win again. That's brutal. You have to admit, that is probably the toughest road schedule. I don't have them winning 13 games. You have them winning 10? Yes. Okay. By the way, when it gets cold and I've got the best interior offensive line in football,

hand the ball off to that Boise State Gentie kid, six yards of carry. Oh, it's funny. We never lose it home. Let's file this away, folks, for when there's six and nine. I am moving to Chicago at a perfect time. hosting NFC Championship Games for the next decade. Very excited. Paul Pierce, too, today. Hey, guys, it's us.

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