The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Defending the Knicks

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin to defend his Knicks and send a message of patience after their loss to the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals He believes Deion Sanders made a big mistake with comments about his son Apparently Carmelo Anthony is not a huge fan of Cooper Flagg   Guest: Frank IsolaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com. or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What is up, everybody? It's me, Jason McIntyre. In for Colin Cowherd on a beautiful Monday morning out here on Facebook. Colin vacationing, yes, this week. Nobody takes more vacations than the big guy. I'm joined today by Alex, hurry, Alex.

Oh, we have a great show. The staff we got find some great stuff. We're gonna have a great week. Collin, you can keep going on vacations. We're holding down the floor. We're gonna have a great time. We're doing our best. How was your weekend?

Was it phenomenal or excellent or just the mediocre? You know, I try to make every day the best day ever. It's kind of my mindset in life. So yeah, we did good. We did good with what we have. June is here. I love the month with June. Kids are finishing up school.

You got the weather warming up. I know you're gonna be going to the beach a lot right before. Well, yeah, we live at the beach. So it's like that's, that's, you know. We're a little. Yeah, we're very, we're spoiled. I don't like bragging about it too much

live on national TV because we live in, I mean, I'm biased because I'm born and raised here, like one of the most beautiful places in the country. But yeah, no, we're lucky. Yeah, we are. And you guys are lucky because we got a phenomenal show today. Great guests.

I do have to start with some bad news and it involves my New York Knicks. I'm ride or die for this team. My first game I ever went to as an NBA fan was the Knicks way back when I was a kid. And their season came to difficult end Saturday night in Indy.

Knicks kind of fell apart in the second half. Got a little frustrated Jalen Brunson delivering a headbutt. It did not end well, but it was a great season. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the Knicks had their best season this century. And of course, there's hand-wringing from Knicks fans. What do we do? Do we fire Tibado? Do we trade Carl Anthony Towns?

Hey, J-Mack, I got an idea. We could move off McHale Bridges and get two. role players. What do you think? What are the moves? And, you know, listen, guys, I am reactionary sometimes. I try to be level-headed. Saturday night when the game ended, I need to take a few deep breaths. And then Sunday, I get my thoughts cleared. And, you know, Colin likes to call himself America's honesty broker. Well, I'm here to tell you as the commander in truth that the New York Knicks need to stand pat and not be reactionary. Not overreact. Let's not pander to blowhard New York radio hosts or back pages screaming about change. Sometimes

the move is to do nothing. Obviously, you could take around the edges. The Knicks bench have a bunch of guys whose contracts are up and we can make some moves. I'll talk about them shortly. But overall, big picture, we don't need to make any big moves. And I will point to the Indiana Pacers. Okay? Last year, the Indiana Pacers went up against the Knicks, beat them in seven, go to conference finals and they get swept by Boston. Of course, Indiana, in the Midwest, they're a little more chill. Hey, what moves can we make? The Pacers did nothing. Not one move among their top seven kept the head coach Carlis. They're in the NBA finals. Sometimes the move is to not make any big moves. So Jalen Brunson was asked after game six, hey, Tabito had a rough series. Is it time to

move on? Here's Jailen Brunson talking about his head coach. I feel like nobody takes more criticism than Tom and this team obviously has turned around during his tenure do you kind of feel that going forward he's the same guy to lift you guys the rest of the wise and next level is that is that a real question right now you just asked me him I believe that if he's the right guy yes thanks guys come on brunson handled it well you could say he handled that question better than he handled the indiana pressure in the series brunson was was good obviously I think he's leading the NBA and playoff scoring. He's at a great postseason. I do think we need a little less Brunson next year. Maybe lean on our bench more. I saw a stat that the Nick starters this season average

like 97 points per game, which was the highest in the NBA in like 48 years. News flash, Chibito, you got to make some more changes. And I've been yelling from the rooftops. Tibbs, you got to put up or shut up. He beat Boston, guys. They took down the defending champs. but let's not gloss over that fact. I know Tainham got hurt, but the Knicks were in control that series anyway at that point. So I'm actually here as the commander in truth to tell you, Nix, we're not going after Yannis. Nix, we don't need Kevin Durant.

I think the pieces are in place for the NICS to get back to the conference finals and extend to the NBA finals next year. Let me remind you, Janus is going to be shipped from Milwaukee, and there's a good chance he goes west, although there is a team in the east we're going to talk about that's making a move on them currently. But like the Cleveland Cavaliers, do they scare you? Do the Pacers really terrify you? They had a great series.

But the Celtics, the best team in the East by far, they're going to be without Jason Tatum next year due to the Achilles. The East is wide open. And oh, by the way, Knicks fans, I know we're upset. Quick reminder, we were favored in the series against the Pacers. And oh, by the way, game one, if the Knicks don't blow a 14-point lead in the final three minutes. What happens in that series? Do things go in a different direction? Like the Knicks are close. They're right there. And sometimes New York fans, the best move is to do nothing. So

Commander and Truth says Knicks, Stan Pat, no Janus, no KD, we're good. All right, let's move to the NFL and a much dicier topic that is not very rosy. And that's the Cleveland Browns. And I'm sure there's a segment of the NFL population already sick of the Shador Sanders talk. I know for a fact Kevin Sifansky is, because he's going to be facing questions about it all week at OTAs. Folks,

Dion Sanders is an unbelievable football talent. And he looks like he's a pretty damn good head coach, too. As a kid growing up, I remember Dion Sanders. He was unbelievable, okay? With the Falcons, with the Niners, like just a great career.

The one thing I liked, which is not serving him well now is that he loved to run his mouth. I love trash talking. Yes, I play in men's basketball leagues. Sometimes I run in my mouth too much. I've doubted it back in my advanced age. Dion, you need to do the same, my guy. So Dion Sanders was on a podcast this week, the say what needs to be said podcast. Meanwhile, we haven't heard from Dion about his son, about the Browns since the draft. Take a deep breath, folks, because Dion's talking again. Here's what he had to say. When you sit up there and say something like he went in a meeting, I'm prepared.

Like, dude, Shador Sanders, who's had six different coordinators. Stop lying. Like, you got to understand. My kids are built for everything. They want to create these narratives and create these stories and then attach them to a kid that ain't ever done them wrong. You're going to tell me he had on headphones, Shador. Anybody know my son, I understand he's a professional. Like he's going to go into a meet with headphones on.

Like, y'all come on. It did hurt. Not good. Not good at all. This, my friends, is why Shadur Sanders fell in the draft. I thought it was probably 50% Dion, 50% Shadur. I'm now thinking NFL teams, front offices were just like, no thank you, on Shadur Sanders, precisely because of this.

Folks, it's the beginning of June. And Dion is already complaining about his son. and what went down at the draft. And you know there are teams that passed on Dian this morning. That's why we didn't want him. Joe Shane and Brian Dable, look at their owner. I told you, we don't need this crap. And again, I'm not going to challenge what Dian said.

It doesn't really matter. Did he wear headphones to a meeting with a team? I don't know. That seems like something weird to make up for a team. But Dion's pushback is, oh, what do you wear headphones to a meeting? Well, he either did or didn't. And oh, by the way, this whole, he has a little bit. had six offensive coordinators. That's not denying what went down at the meeting, him being

unprepared. And again, Shadour has an uphill climb in Cleveland, and I think a lot of it has to do with exactly what Dion saying on this podcast. So Kevin Stafansky's going to show up at OTAs this week, and he's not going to get asked about, hey, how's Miles Garrett looking and the defense? What's up with Nick Chubb? Have you made a decision? How about the wide receiver room? You know, a lot of change there. Any quarterback update. It's not going to be any of that. It's going to be.

So Dion Sanders said this. And now you're getting questions about your fourth string quarterback in June. And folks, it ain't going to end here. This is going to continue. Anytime Dion steps in front of a microphone, nobody cares about the collar bottle of buffaloes right now. Travis Hunter's in the NFL. She's gone. You know what they're going to ask Dion.

Hey, you know, Kenny Pickett threw three picks at a preseason game, Dion, your thoughts. and Dion, who has a history of talking, that's, I mean, that's what made him famous. That's why it's primetime. You think he's going to be able to stand down and pull back? Folks, I thought of an analogy this morning, and I'm like, wait a sec. So Arch Manning at Texas was beat out in back-to-back years by Quinn Ewers.

And you could argue, hey, he was a young guy. Okay, fine. But you know in Texas fans, there were a lot of them ready for Arch Manning. And Arch Manning's parents and Peyton and Eli, all the mannings, they've done a ton of interviews. They're on red carpets all the time. They could have easily said he should have been the guy over Quinn. Well, you know, Quinn, you were struggling against Georgia.

Why didn't Arch get to start? Easily, anybody in the Manning clan could have popped up and said something. Nothing. They stayed out of it. They powered down and they let their kid figure it out. Hey, Dion, Shador's now 23 years old. I'm not telling a grown man what to do. But it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, Dion.

If you, next time you were asked about it, hey, man, I wish my son the best. I will be rooting for him hard. I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. Go Browns. On to the next question. Just stop. All you're doing is hurting Shador. And oh, by the way, do you remember?

Shadour Sanders talked about this exact thing recently. Here's a video. 99% of hatred is, you know, towards pops. And I'm just, you know, I'm just his son. So it really just comes from that. And I told him that, too. It's the older generation that do it to me rather than the younger people. Because when I come in person, there's no negativity I see, but it's all over online.

You know, I got two kids, and we're trying this new thing. This woman, Mel Robbins, is pretty smart lady with some really good insights. And her phrase is, let them with your kids. Just let them. They're going to have to figure it out on their own. And it's very difficult. I got to a 12 and a 14-year-old, and I'm trying to get them to bed like, hey, we got to set good habits and get to bed early and wake up and do this. And my wife say, hey, let them.

They're going to have to figure it out on their own. Hey, stay up until 1030. Not a great idea when you got, you know, a bunch of tests the next day and a lot of homework. And I shouldn't be on my iPad. I should be doing this. And you've got to let them. I think Dion Sanders needs to just stand down and let Shadour figure it out. It's going to be difficult.

but he's 23. He's out of the house. I know this is the first time in forever that you haven't coached him, right? I believe he's been coaching him since, like, youth leagues and high school. He was a coordinator. Dian, you've got to stand back. I mean, this is a prime example of why prime is a problem. I'm wishing him luck. And you know who I'm also wishing luck to is Kevin Stefanski, who has a mighty big hill to climb this week. All right, coming up next year on The Herd, a former NBA star. He did play for my Knicks. Is he taking a shot at Hooper Flag? I couldn't tell based on the quote whether or not he's taking a shot. I think it's a bit out of bounds, but we'll talk about that next year on The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

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I think several months ago when I hosted, I said Cooper Flag would have over, under one and a half MVP's. And Rick Buecker was sitting in the chair, and he looked at me like I had four heads. He's like, what? I'm irrationally high on Cooper Flag. Now, I was high on Wembenyama. He's looked great.

No playoff appearances yet. It's early. Let's take a deep breath. But the Cooper Flag one's interesting, because there's a different element to Wembenyama, Janus, Joker, Luca. SGA. Cooper flag's American. And as we've just seen, companies in America are betting on Cooper Flag. I saw a report that he made $28 million in NIL money. Now, it's a little, not Fugazi,

but he got a deal with new balance for like 15 million and another deal with Fanatics for like 15, or about those numbers, but he signed them when he was at Duke. Right. So he didn't get 28 million. he started to make that kind of money in contracts while at Duke. Companies are betting on him. Now, obviously, that's not the Nike bet on LeBron when he went from high school to the pros, but people believe in Cooper Flagg. He will undoubtedly be the number one pick in the draft. He's going to go to the Mavericks, and we'll see how that pans out.

That being said, I believe Cooper Flag has superstar written all over him. Someone who doesn't quite believe that is Carmelo Anthony. Now, I don't want to get this wrong because Mello says a lot of nice things about Cooper Flag. Kill him with the kindness, then hit him with the... Here we go. Carmelo Anthony on Cooper Flagg's prospects in the NBA. Cooper's nice. Cooper's a real deal, Jim, like, we haven't seen in a while

somebody dominate, like dominate every stop he went to. I'm very high on his game. I'm very high on... To me, he doesn't do anything great. Like, he just do a lot of shit very good. I'm a fan of him. I do. Now we got to talk to him as a pro now.

Yeah. Right? So, yeah, that's college and everything else. But now you're stepping into where this is every single night. This is 82 games every single night. You got to get a skill set. Mm-hmm. You can't be in the pros and don't have a skill set.

You have to have something that's your go-to. Right now, he don't have a go-to. Oh, spoken like a true one-dimensional player. Listen, I loved Carmelo Anthony, guys. I'm going to do what he just did to Cooper Fly. So growing up as a young guy in the Northeast, I would watch a lot of Big East basketball, and I became enamored with Syracuse.

They had point cards. I fashioned myself as a point guard. Carmelo Anthony goes to Syracuse, takes them to the national championship. It was great. Carmelo goes to the NBA, and he did one thing great score. He didn't do anything else,

even very good. He was not a very good passer. He was not a very good rebounder. He was at average to mid to below average defender. Like whatever Luca is as a defender, that's like what Carmelo Anthony was. I made the mistake once on another show at this network of telling the truth, commander and truth, about Carmelo Anthony. And I didn't realize it, but another guy on the set was Kenyon Martin. Kenyon Martin was teammates with Carmelo and they were boys. And I kind of unloaded on Carmelo and saying this, he can't do this, blah, blah, blah. And Kenya Martin had like steam coming out of his ears. And I was like, oh, I didn't really need to offend your guy.

But again, I like Carmelo Anthony. I wanted the Knicks to trade for him. He did one thing great. And where'd that get him? The Hall of Fame? Yeah, he got to the Hall of Fame. And, I mean, like, what do you do? Did he win a chip?

Did he guide his team anywhere? Did he make anyone else around him better? Cooper Flagg does all of those things. I don't like when you hit somebody with the jack of all trades, but master of none. That's like kind of a negative. And there was some discussion in the morning meeting. Was this really Carmelo being negative or not?

And to me, it's perceived as a negative because everyone else thinks Cooper Flagg is freaking incredible. He's a lock number one pick. Nobody even came close all season being it. You've got new balance and fanatics betting big on this guy being a star. Do I need to remind you of the USA basketball last summer when he was, Oh, let me check my notes. 17?

And he went toe to toe with Anthony Davis and Drew Holiday and all of them. And I know they had just gotten off the beach. They weren't 100% locked in, whatever. He was 17. Cooper flags 18 now, guys. I mean, I could read you with his numbers. Sorry, 51% on two-pointers, 38% on threes, 84% on free throws.

I don't know, man. That's kind of better than good at everything. He is a plus defender. I do believe he's going to be a championship foundational piece in the league. I mean, we saw Kevin Durant be a really one-dimensional guy. Unbelievable score. Good passer, good rebounder. But like, he wasn't an amazing defender.

He had length, and he could defend. And when he was on the Warriors, trying to buy Draymond and company. Yeah, awesome. Cooper Flag is going to go to Dallas and be the perfect fit. I'll just go ahead and toss this out there right now. holiday will be on the Mavericks next season. That's my prediction. I think they'll move off Gafford or lively one, one of the two likely Gafford. But Cooper Flag is going to get a lot of playing time. Jason Kidd's not going to bury him on the bench. Is he going to have a LeBron-type impact?

Probably not. But can he put up Wemben Yama-like numbers as a rookie? Yeah? I mean, he's probably not going to block five shots a game. But in Duke, at Duke, we saw Cooper Flag defend. Point cards, wings, bigs. We saw Cooper Flagg bringing the ball up against pressure. he can do everything and he's really, really good at everything. Is he going to average 30 a game? Probably not. But do it, does he need to? Can't you be have a great career at, you know, Kevin Garnett was like a, what, 24, 12? That was, that's the guy who I think is Cooper Fly is going to be in the NBA.

He's going to be Kevin Garnett. A outstanding defender, a killer offensive player, makes his teammates better and really can do everything. I want a jack of all trades. I don't want a one-dimensional guy. So Cooper Flag, I'm a believer. Carmelo, hey, welcome to the media. We'll see you all full on NBC and the NBA. Let's go to Alex Curry

with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, J. Mac, I'm with you with Cooper Flag. I had a chance to sit down with him and interview him after he won the Wooden Award. And what you don't see, because we see great of a player he is on the court, right? But he is a great kid. He is focused. All he wants to do is play basketball. He's in love with the game. He told me that his family and his agent had to

force him to take time off and rest after the college season because all he wanted to do was keep training and getting better. So I think whatever anyone thinks the transition is going to be like to the NBA, he's going to give it everything he has to be the best player that he can be. So he's going to be, he's going to be exciting to watch. But let's start in the NFL. Mike, there's been less buzz around number one overall pick. Cam Ward, Tennessee's quarterback has been flying under the radar, but his head coach Brian Callahan says he's been fitting in well. Cam understands those guys well.

He understands how to interact with him. He's played enough quarterback to understand how important those guys are and what those relationships mean, and I think he's done a good job so far. I mean, I'm not surprised. He's not getting a lot of buzz. Like, yes, he was the best quarterback in the draft, but he wasn't the biggest story and he wasn't the biggest brand. He's also going to a team that has a lot of work to do.

They were the number one overall pick for a reason. They had three wins last season. They're over under set at five and a half wins this season. So, I mean, it's not an exciting, sexy topic or brand talking about it. So I just, what are your expectations for Cam? Well, I think it's great that there's no massive pressure. There's no media crush in Tennessee. You can't work.

Like he's going to be able to work kind of quietly. Yeah, no expectations. And then blow everybody away with playing well. If you can, you never know. You never know what a rookie quarterback is going to do like. Does he have a saying like, what, be legendary? Does he have a Hall of Famer just talking about him all the time? I don't think so.

Yeah, I don't know. Sorry, he shouldn't do it. Oh, that's what you're going to. I'm like, what are you alluding to here? It just feels like he's set up more for success there without all the noise. Less pressure and expectations. So, like, if he doesn't do great, he's not going to get torn apart for it. But if he does well, it'll be like, oh, look, yeah, no, that was the number one overall pick for a reason.

Yeah, he's not even in a battle. Like, I know Callahan's sell, like, Williams? No. Levitt's, yeah. He's getting a bunch of reps. No, absolutely not. Like, you had to pick this guy to save your franchise, and you have to start with him. Like, the whole city's counting on it.

So that'll be interesting. But let's switch to the NBA. Bronny James made a ton of noise when he got drafted. It had a decent rookie year bouncing up and down from the G League. An NBA report says that the Lakers want Brony James to be a regular part of the rotation in 2025 as LeBron enters his 23rd year. So the Lakers have a lot of work to do this offseason. I don't think adding Brony James as a regular to the rotation is going to fix a lot of the

problems that they have. But good for him if that ends up happening. The Lakers need a big man. The Lakers need youth. The Lakers need shooting. The Lakers need size. They're probably going to have to part ways with Austin Reeves that they're going to trade for someone.

They need Dalton Connect to start playing like an NBA player again. I think that whole trade situation kind of messed with him mentally a little, which like that's not surprising for a young rookie player. So they just, is this a good move for the Lakers? You know I like to like. understand why this is coming out. I mean, it's June. Why are we talking about Bronny in the rotation?

Yeah. I wonder if the Lakers are already getting their duck set up. Hey, Gabe Vincent, thank you for your services. You ain't coming back, though. What? Let me ask you this. You can just watch the Pacers. Have a guy come off the bench.

Yeah. Scrappy, not a great shooter. Picked up full court. It was like an energy guy. T.J. McConnell. Yes. He's a veteran. Brony's only 20.

Can Brony be along the line? of T.J. McConnell for 12 minutes a night for the Lakers? I'm not. Is that? It's hard because Brani's situations when he was playing with the Lakers were blowout games. They were either up a bunch or they were down a bunch. So he's not playing. He hasn't gotten that experience in close on the line games.

And you can't really have that level of play until you've been in that experience. I mean, if you give him like, you know, five minutes bridging the first and second quarters and then five minutes in the third. I mean, anything's possible. Just to keep guys fresh. His dad's. LeBron James. He's training with the greatest player in our game right now. So there's definitely potential there. Yeah, nobody's asking him to shoot 10 times a game. No, there's potential. And when

you have LeBron is your dad and that's who you're working with and training with every single day, anything is possible. We also have to remember, like, he's still, like, not that far removed from having his cardiac problem. Like, so he's still building back up to his full potential. Like, good for him. Like, I hope he makes it into the regular rotation because I want young players to succeed and he has had the world against him. Again, like a Shador situation,

having your dad being LeBron James, like it's, you've come into this in a lose-lose situation no matter what. So, yeah, I mean, good for him. I hope he gets playing time, but I don't think that's going to solve the Lakers' needs and issues for what they need next season.

One of the things, their bench was just non-existent in that Dallas series. So, I'm sorry, Minnesota. So is there a world where watching the Thunder play 11 guys? Yeah. And watching the Pacers play 10-11 guys. Yeah. Say, hey, we're going to have to play more dudes.

We can't have. They have to. They have to. Logging 38 minutes ago. It's just not sustainable. It's not. But I think they're going to, like, you learn. Like, this was J.J. Reddick's first full season as a head coach.

This was his first playoff experience as a head coach. Like, that's kind of what he got ripped for was the playing time that he had his stars on the court. I don't think he's going to be the first guy off the bench. But maybe if he's your fourth guy off the bench. And you know what? We're playing guys to keep Muka and LeBron fresh for the playoff. Yeah. And he's gonna give it all.

His all. And you know he will. And like I said, he's training with the best, his dad. Okay, said to the East. Yonis sweepstakes is starting to heat up. According to Toronto star writer Doug Smith, Yonis reportedly has let it be known that he wants to stay in the East. And Toronto would be an acceptable destination, adding the wild card is the cost. But I also think the rafters are uniquely placed to make an attractive.

offer that won't ruin their franchise or roster. But, Jemak, at this point, it's all speculation, right? He's definitely going to be the off-season watch, but Yonis will go where the bucks get the best package for him. Now, I don't think they're going to do him dirty. I think they're going to make sure that he's in a good spot, but they're also going to get as much in return that they can for Yonis. And he's obviously going to be the first domino effect that falls because wherever he ends up

going, then you'll have. KD land somewhere and then the other big name, free agents, and trades happen later on in the off season. Where do you think he's going to land? Okay, so I'm looking at the Raptors. Holy hell, this is a terrible roster. And they're paying a lot of guys, a lot of money. But for some reason, Alex, the NBA loves Scotty Barnes. He's one of these guys who could master of, Jack of All Trade's master of none.

Yeah. He just signed after his rookie deal, his next deal, but the NBA loves him. Would Milwaukee want him in a package as a centerpiece? Scotty Barnes, who's like a young guy. He's like a poor man's Cooper flag. Sorry, Scotty Barnes' truth is. But like Brandon Ingram, R.J. Barrett. I don't think he's going to end up in Toronto.

I think they're going to, they'll ultimately get outbid. Well, they made a huge swing. And got Kauai Leonard, and they got that championship over the Warriors in 2019. So I wouldn't put it past them to make a big swing. I mean, the Raptors have been totally irrelevant since they lost that, or since they won the championship. It's just, I see him going to a bigger market. I see Yon is going to a bigger. I'll give Toronto props.

That's a great city. Yeah. I'm sure you've been there. It's actually the one city in Canada that I was never on that road trip. Because I covered hockey, so I've been to almost all the big cities, but that's one of the ones I didn't go to. Anaheim, the Angels. Did he go to play Toronto with? No, the Kings.

Oh, King. Yeah, when I was doing the Kings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a nice city, very cultural. Yeah. It's fun. It does get cold. But I don't know if Janus cares.

Milwaukee is cold as well. I just don't think he's going to end up there. They'll be in the conversation, like, up until the very end and probably be a finalist, but ultimately I think they get up there. Yeah, like, if you trade away Scotty Barnes, who are you going there to play with? Jacob Pertil?

Emmanuel quickly, no, no. Yeah. Interesting name for sure. And I think we'll see a lot of these pop up. Orlando's in the name, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But will he end up on Yonis watch? officially on Yonis watch.

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I know you're a busy man. Everybody wants to talk Nix. I'm curious, your macro thoughts watching that series as they blow game one and then ultimately lose a series. at six. Well, I think you've said it. Blowing game one was the big difference there, because if you look at what the Knicks did to Boston winning game one and two, Boston should have won game two, they lose that. They're chasing the series. Cleveland should have won game two at home against Indiana. They're chasing the series. The Knicks losing game one, and it wasn't just being up 14

with 258 to go, or you're up nine points with 58 seconds ago, and the Knicks scored four more points. So that had to be a 13 to four run by Indiana just to tie the game up. Look at that Halliburton shot. of luck factors in. So a game that the Knicks should have won, to me, that set the tone for the entire series. The Knicks were chasing the series. They never caught up to Indiana, and that was the killer game right there. That's the one they never recovered from. So just to be clear, you know, this is the greatest season they've had this century, right? Long playoff run. But Knicks fans were expecting, hey, we're favored in the series. How are we not in the finals? And now it's, let's do the autopsy. Do we fire Tibido? Do we trade Kat?

What do we do with bridges and his new deal? Lots on the table. It's going to be a busy summer in New York, Frank. Let's start with this. If you're giving advice to Dolan and company, what do you say about Janus? Do you try to make a move and get in the mix or stand pat? Oh, 100%.

I'm trying to make that move. I think the Knicks window is right now over the next two to three years and you haven't won a title since 73. If a player like that is available, you certainly go for it. I don't know if the Knicks can get it done. If I'm Milwaukee and I'm making that big, step to trade a guy like Janice and Tedocumpo. I'm thinking about rebuilding. I'm looking to get a lot of picks back, maybe a young

player. I still think that Houston is the ideal team for Milwaukee. I think it would be the ideal team for Yonis as well. But certainly the Nix should go for it. Hope that maybe Yonis could Fennigla's way there. Jason, you know this. Historia Queens got the huge Greek population. Yonis knows that as well. So there is a bit of a tie there. But I don't know. I think that'll be hard to pull off, but I'm certainly exploring that if on the Knicks. Yeah, I can't imagine the Bucks wanting to build around Carl Anthony Towns. By the way, let's talk for a few moments about Cat. A bit of a space cadet defensively, commits some really goofy fouls, seems to get the ball.

You remember how Julius Randall was a black hole? This is like a different version of it because he can actually shoot threes with some reliability. I don't really know what to make a cat. He has flashes of, that's the NBA player, I know. And then it's like, I don't, he makes some really poor decisions. He certainly does. He certainly does. It's the reason why he was available for the Knicks to acquire him, and it's not breaking news that he struggles defensively.

Everyone knew that before the Knicks acquired him, I do think the fallout from them losing this series, losing Game 6, I think there's been far too much criticism on Carl. He was the only starter that was a plus, like the plus minus. He was a plus. He was a plus all throughout the playoffs. So, yeah, defensively, he struggles. But he also had a game three with the Knicks season on the line

where he scored 20 points in the fourth quarter. He had a couple of really big moments against Detroit. he had some big moments against Boston in games one and two where he kind of bailed them out. I think the big issue for the Knicks, and I think Carl, you know, my morning radio partner, Brian Scalabarity talks about all the time, and he played for Tom Tibodon in Chicago. He feels like when guys were under Tom that second year, he thinks it'll help bridges, he thinks it'll help towns, much like it helped O'Giann and Obey, like it helped out Randall, like it helped Jalen Brunson. Jaylen Brunson was an MVP candidate a few years into coming to the Knicks and playing for Tom Tibbeto. But the biggest issue, Jason, and you know this, can you win when your two best players are not great two-way players? And that's going to be the biggest issue.

Jalen Brunson, Carl Anthony Towns, both terrific offensively, struggled defensively, and that's an issue. Do you think there's a role where the Knicks are a bench or two player away? You know, they go out and get like Nikiel Alexander Walker, maybe start him for Josh Hart. you go try to pry Al Horford, like a veteran who can actually make shot. Like Mitchell Robinson at times is unplayable because of the free throws. But like Al Horford can play defense and make threes. And you're not asking heavy minutes. Are they just a couple pieces away?

Because remember, no Tatum next year in Boston. Yeah, 100% right. And if, you know, going into this season, a lot of us felt, I know I did, that Boston was a clear favorite. They'll repeat as Eastern Conference champions probably repeat as NBA champions. Now you look at the East is completely wide open. And I think you're right. I think there is something to be said.

Indiana got eliminated in four games in the Eastern Conference Finals. They kept that core together. As the old saying goes, you know, you let the cake bake a little bit. You know, why not try to run it back if you're the Knicks? And maybe like you said, I think you're right with your thinking, trying to add a guy that can shoot coming off the bench. You know, their shooting isn't great. And adding that kind of player will really open up the offense.

But again, they're going to have to address issues on the defensive end and hope that they could figure something out. Because for me, that was the biggest issue they had against Indiana, going up and down the court, and the Knicks really couldn't play for long stretches, Jalen Brunson and crawling out of the town. It's an issue when you can't play your two best players a lot because both struggle so much defensively.

So let me ask you about this, Jalen Brunson. Several months back, Becky Hammond, made a statement, you can't win with Jalen Brunson as your number one player. I thought it was ludicrous. I said some stuff that was kind of harsh. and listen, Jalen Brunson's an unbelievable player, man. I think he's fourth in the league in playoff scoring this year. The Knicks are not anywhere near the Easter Conference finals without him.

But like you said, the defensive questions. Now, listen, that stuff dogs Steph Curry early in his career too. And they had to go out and get Igoudala and then Kevin Durant, kind of a cheat code. But is that the one argument for moving off towns? Hey, we need another defender. OG and Bridges are good, but you kind of need another defender to help out Brunson, right? Yeah, and that's the thing. If you look at Carl, he's an unbelievable offensive player, but defensively struggles.

And I understand what Becky Hammond was trying to say, but, you know, Isaiah Thomas was an undersized guard. He won a championship as what is he, like, six foot two. Now, that's an all-time great player. But Brunson has been outstanding the last couple of years with the Knicks, and you know it from watching it. You see him on the court in the fourth quarter as all the confidence in the world that he's going to make the right play. I think if you go back to game one, I thought he gave up the ball a little early with what, 14 seconds left in regulation to Carl.

Jalen's got to hold on to the ball, get foul, and he needs to go to the free throw line and knock down those two free throws. But again, to your point, it's something that the Knicks have to figure out if they want to, you know, they finished four, a six wins shy of winning a title, right? They had 10 wins.

They still needed to win six. It's hard to win 16 playoff games. And right now it was proven that this team simply wasn't good. enough. I still think there were moves that they could make. I still think Jaylen Brunson could be that player. Look, everywhere he's been, every level. High school college in the NBA, he's won big. He hasn't won the ultimate prize yet in the NBA, but he took the Knicks to a place that hadn't been in 25 years. So Kevin Durant has been a fascination of the Knicks for probably at least a decade. Let's just say, I don't think it could happen, but let's say Carl Anthony Town straight up for

Durant. Do you do that deal? You know what? I would think long and hard about it, just because I know I can Durant in the playoffs, especially offensively, even defensively, he's going to give you something. And again, I'm looking at that window for the Knicks. I really do think it's about a two to three year window with a lot of these guys. And when you haven't won a championship, 73, hadn't been to the final since 9-9. And that's why, I mean, I thought they gave up too much to get bridges. But I understood swinging for the fences because it's been that long since you've done anything. And I think with Kevin Durant out there, and I think Kevin Durant will be rejuvenated.

When a guy of that status hasn't appeared in a postseason game this season, he's going to be hungry to get back there. And I think Kevin Durant would come in with the right attitude. I think he would like the serious of the Knicks program. You know, Tom Tibado, Jalen Brunson, I think he fit in perfectly. Is it a gamble? 100% because of his age and the injury factors, but it's something that I certainly would consider. Yeah, the age is a question.

You mentioned Windows, so Durant turns 37 in September. And if you look at his last few seasons, he's been injured. a lot. Do you think that he would shrink the Knicks window to maybe just one season? That's certainly a possibility, but you know this, Jason. You know this about Kevin Durant. He loves to play basketball. Take away the Twitter stuff that he does. He loves to play basketball. He loves to compete. So you know that he's going to do everything that he can to get himself ready to play. The basketball part, I had heard at the Olympics, a lot of these coaches that weren't around him that much, they were blown away by how much he puts in.

to it every single day. So you know you're getting the guy with the right kind of mindset. And I think if he came, I think he'd be able to handle the pressure. I know he gets sensitive to it at times. But I would think after what happened in Phoenix this year with that team not making the playoffs,

I think he would be rejuvenated coming to the next. Interesting. All right, on to the finals real quick. Actually, first of all, Eastern Conference Finals, MVP voting. You know, we didn't do the subject yet, but we might. Seacum won 5-4 over Halliburton.

first of all, do you think this award is dumb? Because it's just the series, not all of the playoffs. And B, shouldn't it have been Halliburton? Well, I don't have a problem with them giving out awards. Everyone gets awards. That's like our new thing now. But I agree with you. If I had a vote, and that takes nothing away from Pascal Seaccom.

But to me, everything is different. Like Halliburton's shot in game one is not just one shot that wins one game. that was a massive shot that tied it up and they go on to win that game so in the biggest moment he delivered then in game four after they had blown the 20 point lead in game three and he didn't play well he put up historic numbers numbers that he put up in that game with no turnovers was something that no player had ever done in any NBA game so those two games right there and the fact that he played well in the second half of again no problem with siacum i didn't have a vote because i wasn't there in indiana i know some of our brethren in the media people that you know and

I've already given them a hard time about it. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I would have voted for Tari Salver. All right. 15 seconds. Who you got in the finals, OKC or Indiana, and how many games? You know what? It's hard to pick against OKC.

They're such a good team defensively. I look at Indiana. It'd be great for that city and for that franchise. Been in the NBA, a long time. Former ABA team to get the banner. But I don't know. Oklahoma City winning that game four, Jason. In Denver, they were down to one in the series.

They were down entering the fourth quarter. winning that game for, I think that's the game they're going to look back on and say, that's the game that's the game that's changing. Blue Dorts special. All right, Frank I, Sola, Sirius X-M, great stuff, man. Thanks a lot. We'll follow you all's off-season. Back here next hour.

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