The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Deion Sanders and the Dallas Cowboys

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Colin talks about Deion Sanders possibly becoming the next head coach of the Cowboys and why this is this the perfect match The Lakers may have a new star player in Dalton Knecht The Jets are a comple...te mess of an organization  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:10 It's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Joel Clout, one hour from now, the latest installment, the third installment of the college football 12 team playoff has out. He's got some strong opinions on that in about five or six minutes. The Los Angeles Lakers have perhaps found their new star connecting from three. J-MAC, our show yesterday, as we are prone to do, made a little news yesterday. That happens. Regularly.
Starting point is 00:03:43 So yesterday, the playmaker, one of the great receivers of all time, the Troy Aitman, Michael Irvin, Emmett Smith, Dallas Cowboys. Michael Irvin remains relevant. interesting. So this past weekend, he was going to Cowboy Games and he was going to the Jake Paul Tyson fight and Michael Irvin also went to the Colorado game. And there's been a lot of talk and I think it's obvious if you're paying attention that McCarthy's out and they're looking for a rock star as a head coach. Well, there's this guy named Dion Sanders, the former Dallas Cowboy, who has bet on himself his entire life. Jackson State, Colorado. As a player, he was bouncing around Falcons to Cowboys to Niners and you're very confident guy.
Starting point is 00:04:29 So there's this feeling that Dion, although Dion said I'm not interested, would be in line to get the Cowboys job. And Michael Irvin was asked about that possibility. If Jerry and the Cowboys up there round one and going to get Shador, if you want somebody to follow footsteps, you got Shador, you get Deon. I believe 100% And I can tell you, good sources have told me that. Okay, okay, that made news.
Starting point is 00:05:03 Now, Dion Sanders said, and I'll quote him, hey, I'm happy. I've got my kickstand down. You know what a kickstand is. I'm resting. It should be duly noted that kickstands are always temporary. They're not down forever. Somebody gets on that bike. And I am convinced, if doubt,
Starting point is 00:05:24 Ellis gets the number one pick, and I think they have a chance to. I think they're going to draft Shadoor Sanders and hire Deion Sanders as coach. The funniest response to this is, well, well, DAC has a no trade clause. Yeah, so did Russell Wilson. You don't think DAC would waive that in two seconds if they drafted Shadour Sanders? By the way, Aaron Rogers, March 22, Packers signed him to the biggest annual payment deal in the league at quarterback. By April of 23, he was a jet.
Starting point is 00:05:56 Jimmy Garoppolo in 2019. Remember him? For about a minute, he was the highest paid quarterback. Two years later, they drafted Tray Lance. Again, Russell Wilson had a no-trade clause. Nobody cares. Be good now. Jared Goff got a new deal.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Couple years later, sent him to Detroit. Went and got Matt Stafford. Everything's negotiable. Everything in life is negotiable, but especially at quarterback. I mean, Dack Prescott, they've been stringing them along for years before his last contract. Dak Prescott is a grown-up. My favorite part of Dack, he's reasonable, he's a grown-up,
Starting point is 00:06:36 he understands the world and the way the game has played. Here was Dack this summer. I enjoy being a cowboy, a thousand percent. Joy 11 in Dallas, joy everything about it, but this is a business. You think Dax's going to get special treatment? Russell Wilson didn't. Aaron Rogers didn't. And they have trophies.
Starting point is 00:06:55 That's the way the world works. There's other stories out today that Jets are not going to remain in the Aaron Rogers business. So I'll say it again. If Dallas loses the next two weeks and they're a 10-point dog to the commanders this week, they will lose. And if they lose to the New York Giants at home and does it matter where it's at Dallas gets hammered at home weekly, I think they're a frontrunner for the number one pick. Because the Jacksonville's and the Tennessee's have to play twice still. So those guys are going to win games.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Like New England's going to win games, Cleveland's going to win games. I'm not sure Dallas does win another game if they lose on Thanksgiving next Thursday to the New York Giants. And to me, it's the only way to escape the current mess. Hire a rock star head coach and draft a rock star quarterback on a rookie deal. because Dallas will probably have to pay a big chunk of Dax contract. The Broncos did with Russell Wilson, and Russell can still play, and Dack can still play. But he'll be off his second surgery. Dak lost his mobility off the first surgery, and he is not good enough to elevate this roster.
Starting point is 00:08:07 They need a rock star coach and a rock star quarterback, and as Michael Irvin said yesterday, he has it sourced. They could get Dion Sanders. I don't know why anybody would... Oh, the no trade clause. People wave stuff in their contracts all the time. Dak's not going to sit behind and be embarrassed. On the bench, cameras on him every 30 seconds,
Starting point is 00:08:31 Dak Prescott backing up the Dallas Cowboys. And there'll be a market for Dak. People may not want to pay for his contract. But by the way, there'll be no market for Russell Wilson. He's doing pretty well. There's always a market in a sport where a third of the teams are dreadful at quarterback. If somebody else is paying the money and Dallas will have to pay a lot of the money, somebody will take DAC. They're not going to take DAC in his contract, but they'll take DAC.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Okay, so I thought this was interesting. So yesterday was the third installment of the college football 12 team playoff. Now, it's going to change over the course of time, but a lot of the favorites may not lose again before the playoffs starting December 20th. So my favorite, the most interesting part of this, for years and years, years, cold weather teams, Penn State, Ohio, State, Michigan have complained, how come we always have to play the bowl games down in SEC territory? Well, the weather's better. As of this morning, if the playoffs started, Bama would have to go to Notre Dame.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Georgia would have to play at Penn State. Ole Miss would have to go to Indiana, and somebody would have to go to Columbus, Ohio. All potentially, minus four degrees in windy, when the playoffs starts to 20th. No more Miami, New Orleans, Citrus Bowl, Orlando. It would be the coldest game easily for any of those SEC athletes. And by the way, I do not think what I'm about to say is a coincidence. Do you know the five winningest teams in professional football in the last 20, 30 years? Cold weather, New England, cold weather Baltimore, cold weather Green Bay, cold weather
Starting point is 00:10:17 Pittsburgh, cold weather Philly, and throw in the Chiefs. You think it's how come there's no
Starting point is 00:10:24 dome teams? How come there's no warm weather teams? Because cold weather teams are fine going
Starting point is 00:10:31 into warmer weather. Go look at Tua, who played high school football in Hawaii and
Starting point is 00:10:37 then went to warm weather SEC. He is horrible under 48 degrees. He's 0 and 6. And that's
Starting point is 00:10:43 48 degrees. What if it's 12? What if it's? What if it's windy? I mean, Tua is a completely different quarterback. When he plays over 48 degrees, he's a pro bowler. A hundred passer rating, 70% completion.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Under 48 degrees, he's Brock Osweiler, but shorter. I mean, he literally is a backup. So, and you say, oh, it doesn't make that big a deal. I think it's a five-point swing. And by the way, it doesn't mean Georgia can't go up north and win. I'm not saying that. But it matters, and it matters a lot. because when you're older you've traveled to different regions.
Starting point is 00:11:17 But when you're 18, 19, 20 years old, you're from a warm weather area. You haven't necessarily in your off-time or vacation time gone to Kansas City, Green Bay, Buffalo, or Baltimore. So I'm not saying an SEC team couldn't win. But I will say, in my life, it has been an advantage that SEC teams, and they're very good and deserve all the respect, but they've often played their bowl games. I mean, I was looking this morning. Georgia, in the last six years, has played three bowls in Atlanta,
Starting point is 00:11:50 two in New Orleans, and two in Miami. You don't think it's a little bit of an advantage, not having to trail, having more fans there, the weather under control. I mean, that's, now, Oregon, I don't worry about, because Oregon plays in sloppy wet weather, you know, November 5th on. They'll be fun.
Starting point is 00:12:09 They're actually built for warm or cold weather. to get little of both. But that kind of jumped out to me, Joel Clatton one hour, that kind of jumped out to me that I thought, you know, for years the Big Ten fans complained about it. In a lot of years,
Starting point is 00:12:21 the SECs just had better players and better teams. But it's an advantage. You know, people, go look at the history of the L.A. Chargers, then the San Diego Chargers, when Dan Fouts and a stack team had to go play in Cincinnati. Go ask Dan about that.
Starting point is 00:12:35 It matters. Go ask, too, about playing in cold weather. I don't think it's a coincidence that even in pro football, The last 20, 30 years, New England, Green Bay, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philly, Kansas City. And by the way, Josh Allen, in about seven years, they're going to win 13 games a year. Buffalo will be in that group. That's the next group to be in it.
Starting point is 00:12:55 J. Mack, you know, you are a basketball savant. J. Mack, you love hoops. And you have been very excited about one Dalton Connect. Oh, yeah. Well, last night, Dalton Connect, this is the kid, the rookie from Tennessee. Now, he had a very fascinating journey, junior college, went to like a division two school, then he went to Tennessee. So he had five years of college basketball.
Starting point is 00:13:23 And what I love about Dalton Connect of the Lakers is that it wasn't easy. He didn't go like high school G League pro. He got beat up. He was doubted. People rolled their eyes. But you and I were watching him last year in the tournament, and we were like, this dude gets a bucket. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Like, he is hyper athletic. Well, LeBron has been saying, LeBron said last year during March Madness, who's that dude at Tennessee? Well, now he's LeBron's teammate. He went off last night, and we'll talk about that. Have the Lakers found their next star? We'll talk about that coming up.
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Starting point is 00:18:15 So one of the things that I've never understood is Adam Silver, the NBA Commissioner, demonizing college basketball. I think it's a great marketing tool. And there's so many NBA players that you're seeing there's a little pivot in the NBA because the new CBA, the NBA has a new CBA. The NBA has a new CBA. Trading is harder. Okay, so if you screw up draft picks, you're in trouble.
Starting point is 00:18:40 So NBA teams, the smart ones, the Miami Heat did this last year. Jaime Hocquez Jr. from UCLA, four years. Ready to play. You don't get some immature G-leager. You have to babysit him. They went and got UCLA's best player. Four years of college, dude is a bucket first day in the league. Look at the Lakers. Austin Reeves. Four years of college. Ready to play.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Dalton Connect. Actually, five years of college. Last night, 37 points. Rookie record ties it. Nine threes. Unbelievable. And LeBron loves them. Why? Because LeBron didn't like the Lonzo ball. He didn't like the immature guys. He's not a babysitter. LeBron wants you to be able to play. He's got things he's trying to attain. Get out of his way unless you can come in. in play. And we saw this last season again with the Miami Heat. Jaime Hakez Jr., ready to play. Zach Eadie, four years at Purdue, ready to play.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Maturity is undervalued. The new CBA is going to make trades harder. That's why we have a term, Villanova guys, because Jay Wright demanded you play defense. You stayed in school. You had to go to class. You had to
Starting point is 00:19:57 grow up. You had to play well with others on campus. The G-Ly league does not create all these stars. Derek White of the Celtics is another guy. Had to go D2. Then he transferred to Boulder. Then he has to go to a couple different NBA teams. He's okay being a four or a five. He's one of the best number fours I can ever remember in the league, kind of like a Rick Fox where you're like, that guy could be a two on some teams. He's a four or five sometimes on the Celtics. Don't babysit and coddle. The NBA does too much of it. It's over. It's was getting this prospect, because he's got great handles.
Starting point is 00:20:35 He's 18. You think LeBron and AD and Janice want to play with 18 and 19-year-olds? They want to play with Dalton Connect. And LeBron said after the game, I've been telling you guys for two years, this kid's the real deal. I've been said it. I watched him. I watched Tennessee a lot. I watched Tennessee a lot.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I did not think he was going to fall to us. I thought it would be impossible. I have no idea how that happened, but I'm very grateful and very happy that he's here. I knew exactly what was getting when he fell to 17. LeBron, I knew exactly what I was getting. I'd watched his game for years. Lakers are only half a game out of first place. They've won six straight.
Starting point is 00:21:17 And again, to me, he's a more talented Austin Reeves, is that you're talking about a kid who spent time in... Ask yourself this. If you went to college and you're listening to the show and you came out after two semesters, do you think you were ready for the workplace or do you think three or four years in college you were more ready for the workplace the NBA is a workplace and if you're going to go to really good team
Starting point is 00:21:41 James Wiseman bust three games in college at Memphis Scoot Henderson Portland goes to the G-Lebe oh I'm told what a player that guy is not ready to play could use college this idea that we demonize college basketball you get better coaching on average You get better training staffs.
Starting point is 00:22:01 You get better travel. And the truth is you have to kind of hang around other college students. It's a real life. Didn't we all grow up more in that three to four year period of college than any other time in our life? You're on your own. First time away from your parents. You don't have track suit Tony A.A.U. You're in college.
Starting point is 00:22:20 The classes are hard. The professors are demanding. Dalton Connect. Austin Reeves. Derek White. Zach Eadie. Jaime Hakez Jr. To me, with the new CBA, stop demonizing college basketball.
Starting point is 00:22:34 You get, I'll take Tom Izzo for three or four years. Go ask Draymond Green. You know that the Golden State Warriors team that was so great? Clay Thompson. Steph Curry stayed at school Davidson. You got Draymond Green, stayed in school. You know who didn't? James Wiseman.
Starting point is 00:22:49 He couldn't figure out the league. He literally couldn't figure out the offense. By the way, since they bench DeAngelo Russell, a talented guy, but the knock has always been, maturity and focus. Dalton Connect, five years college, ready to play. Microwave and serve, ready to go. J-Mack with the news.
Starting point is 00:23:09 No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. From one awesome team, the Lakers to another, the Philadelphia Eagles. I know they've had some up and downs under Siriani, but the numbers don't like Colin. He has been a juggernaut on the road
Starting point is 00:23:24 since taking over in 2021, Siriani has Philly 22 and 9 in road games. They're 4 and 1 this season, including a neutral site home win in Brazil. The Eagles are in L.A. Sunday. Now, be careful with this game. You know it's going to be 70% Eagles fans here. The Eagles fans travel well.
Starting point is 00:23:43 They're looking to get out of the East Coast, get to the West Coast. Siriani talked about the big road matchups. It's just an opportunity for you to unite as a team, lock arms, as a team and, you know, have that mental toughness, that dog mentality as far as understanding, you know, just play the next play, play the next play, control what you can control and unite as a team. And so those are two of our big time core values of, you know, connect and toughness.
Starting point is 00:24:12 And, you know, and so we take pride in that. And I just think it speaks volumes of our players and coaches that, you know, that they're, that they handle that. Yeah. What happens to Nick hoist a Super Bowl trophy. What am I going to do then? You don't even have them in your top three of the blazing five, did you? You're still a little lukewarm on the Eagles, are you not? No, I'm not lukewarm on the
Starting point is 00:24:34 roster. I love the roster. I love it. You just don't like the coach. It's not that I don't like the coach. I think he's he is maturing. Generally, you hire a coach for an organization like Philadelphia and he's ready to go. This is an adult job. It's not a player. He's a coach. So he's had
Starting point is 00:24:50 multiple coordinator jobs and he feels like a coach. you know, Nick feels like he was a position coach and then a coordinator in his first year with a team, he felt like almost a position coach and a coordinator more than a head coach. I think he's had his hand slapped a couple of times and he's growing up. So for the record, not everybody is absolutely ready for an adult job when they're 35 years old. So I get that. But, you know, John with fans and that stuff, you know I don't like that stuff.
Starting point is 00:25:20 I'm not into that stuff. How do you like this matchup with the Rams? This is an interesting game. I don't see why it's two and a half. I'm surprised the Eagles aren't three. I agree. They're much stronger in the trenches than the Rams. I watched Miami go to Los Angeles and completely control the Rams.
Starting point is 00:25:37 And I don't think Miami or the Rams' rosters compared to Philadelphia's. So that's one of my picks this week. I like Philadelphia. Maybe I'm missing something. Stafford and the wide receivers against the young exciting whites or whatever they call them, the cornerbacks for Philly. It's a tough one because I'll be rooting Rams. You know, I'm kind of a Rams fan out here.
Starting point is 00:25:59 Chargers, same thing. But that's a great matchup. Listen, Siriani, we can bag on him all we want, Colin. The numbers are there. The numbers don't lie. I admit he can wear me out, but the roster is, it's very good. Speaking of good, how about the opposite of that? That's the Niners.
Starting point is 00:26:16 My gosh, this is a mess right now. Colin, between injuries, five and five. lack of focus from some players, blowing fourth quarter leads. It's all bad. And one of their top quarterbacks, Lenore, says the team is feeling the urgency to finish game strong, saying,
Starting point is 00:26:33 we just don't finish. It's that time to come together and put teams to bed. Look at that. They've been favored in every game this season, and now the market's just selling them. They're underdogs for the first time. Now, there is some Brock Purdy stuff going on. Shanahan said his shoulder.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Yeah, this is the line of the week that doesn't make sense either. So I already told you, Commanders minus 10, I already locked that in Washington. This is the other line that makes no sense. How are the Packers favored only by less than a field goal at home against the team that's reeling with an injured quarterback? I do not get it. And by the way, the Packers came off a game. They did not play well, and they were physically dominated by Chicago.
Starting point is 00:27:09 So they won. But we've seen teams when they win and play poorly often come back the next week, like the Detroit Lions to Houston, won and played poorly, played their best game of the year the following week. So I think Green Bay is going to smoke. It's also a revenge spot for that playoff loss where they were in control of that game for the better part of three quarters before Brock Purdy woke up.
Starting point is 00:27:30 But I was reading some numbers on Fred Warner's defense this season and falling off a cliff. They got one of their other cornerbacks is kind of a personal reason. He's out. Do we know if Kittles coming back? A lot of questions about Debo.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Something's going on in Sanford. I don't know what it is, but it feels like... It's not just urgency for the Niners, it's urgency for Green Bay. Detroit and Minnesota keep winning. Green Bay can't screw around. So this idea that all the urgencies on San Francisco, I would argue it's the same urgency for Green Bay.
Starting point is 00:28:02 People are forgetting. Minnesota's lost to the Rams and Lions. That's it. Minnesota is right now looking like, I mean, I'll tell you, they're not going to hoist a trophy. I wouldn't want to play Minnesota. I wouldn't want to play those wide receivers and that offensive. I mean, look at it right now.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Vikings have their third straight road game this week against the Bears. Interesting game. But your point on the Niners, do you remember when we did the over-under segment in August? I think it was August, maybe July. I think we both loved the Niners under because we knew there would be some regression. I got it. I had no idea it would be this bad. I mean, Colin, they are a mediocre football team right now, right?
Starting point is 00:28:39 They can't finish games. Guys are dinged up. Something feels off with the Niners this year. I can't put my finger on it, but you know how Joe Douglas unloaded. on the Jets to the athletic? Obviously, you need to be anonymous source. I wonder if we'll hear some stuff about the Niners after this season. Like, something seems like... I think they've missed. I think they gave up too many draft picks for Trey Lance in hindsight.
Starting point is 00:29:00 I think they've missed. I don't think Ricky Pearsall should have been the number one pick. I think if you want to... I think they should have gotten gotten an offensive lineman. I don't think the O lines is tight. I think Trent Williams has got old. I think Christian McCaffrey off an injury, probably not going to be a great year. so I just think it all it's the drip drip drip effect just everything's a little less than last year
Starting point is 00:29:22 Debo's not a hundred Kittles now hurt Ayukes out after complaining a lot of times a company struggles it's not one thing everybody's looking for one thing it's just a series of events and elements that aren't quite as tight as last year
Starting point is 00:29:37 yeah all right let's wrap up with the Cincinnati Bungles after Sunday night's loss to the Chargers Jamar Chase was asked about the team's inability to finish games, in which case put the onus on Zach Taylor, saying, oh, I don't know, you got to ask Zach why we can't finish games. Will Taylor address Chase's comments yesterday? He's emotional, you know, and when you got a guy that works as hard as he does, leaves it all in the field, I do think things, I don't want to say misconstru, but can look differently
Starting point is 00:30:07 than what they really are. But again, he's a guy that is one of the most genuine players I've ever been around than honest, insightful, puts it all out there for us. I don't have problems with guys that work as hard as they do, speaking with emotion after the game, speaking with passion. Yeah, I totally agree with Zach Taylor, who I like and you don't, but I'll say this. In the media, we have a responsibility to contextualize stuff. It's okay if fans are crazy, but we have a responsibility to be contextualization, contextualization experts.
Starting point is 00:30:44 This is what we do. I think about this all the time. When you put a mic in front of a player after a game, don't crush him because it's not perfect or polished, or he hasn't let it bake. He just lost. He was ticked. One game a week.
Starting point is 00:30:59 It's okay for a professional athlete. I mean, you go, when I see, I always notice this at the Olympics. You literally train four years for 40 seconds. And a guy runs, a man or a woman runs a 220, or they run an 880 and you put a mic in their face and you go, oh, you lost, what do you think? Well, what do you think they think? They're pissed off. Like, we have a job in the media to not overreact to Sunday postgame comments by coaches and athletes.
Starting point is 00:31:28 They have a right. I mean, one of the things about athletes that I always appreciate it, they care so deeply. They're so committed. Their job isn't to entertain me, although I am entertained. But we should do a better job. Fans can be crazy town. They'll go to their Reddit board, fire the coach. I get it.
Starting point is 00:31:45 I don't even resent that. Don't over-vout. Don't over-hype post-game comments. That's fair. That being said, Colin, look at the Bengals' losses this year. They're one-and-six in close games. One-score games. One and six.
Starting point is 00:32:03 We can't just blame the defense for all those. Why not? It's their defense that keeps letting up the league. Well, I mean, how about, okay, the offense. They'll poop their pants in the opener. against a Bengals, against a Patriots, couldn't do a damn thing at home. Okay? Well, I'll give you the Chiefs loss, right? The close loss to the Chiefs that was on the Phantom flag with fourth and 16 at the end.
Starting point is 00:32:22 The Washington game? I don't know. I mean, the defense did let Jayton Daniels run up and down the field. Fine. Captain Lou, you screwed up. But look at these other ones. The Baltimore game? That was on the offense. Burrow made a mistake.
Starting point is 00:32:33 You know who I, here's who I would blame in Cincinnati. The ownership that doesn't have an outdoor facility yet. The only Northern Tier team in the league without one. Cheap ownership. Yeah. Gave away for a seventh round pick, Joe Mixon. Gave away. So don't blame the coach and the players because ownership is cheap and you let go of players.
Starting point is 00:32:55 I've said this before. How can Philadelphia and San Francisco have stacked rosters? I mean, Philadelphia is paying Jalen Hertz. You start looking at these rocks. Detroit's paying Jared Gough. How do all these teams have stacked rosters? Cincinnati hasn't even paid Jamar Chay. or T. Higgins yet, and they're already bailing on players.
Starting point is 00:33:15 They're not even paying their star receivers yet. Cheap owners. So the one thing that annoys me with what we, when we have our little back and force, is you're willing to blame everybody except the coach here. Ownership, defense, Burrow makes a mistake. Evan McPherson, shanks two kicks. Well, I don't.
Starting point is 00:33:33 But like, Zach Taylor, how are you giving him no, no blame? By the way, Bengals fans, not besides our producer here who loves them, Bengals fans online are over Taylor. They've seen enough close choke city losses by the head coach. So fans are over Taylor. The Reddit board guys that you love. Fans are over Ryan Day every time he loses one game a year in Columbus. That's a slightly different.
Starting point is 00:33:57 We do not hold fans. They have every right to be hyperbolic. But we don't hold them to the same standard. We again are paid to contextualize and not be hair on fire. for every coach that has a three-game losing stream. J-MAC with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.
Starting point is 00:34:18 The Herd-Lie News. By the way, I saw this. This is not a little thing. It is official. Now, this is something I started talking about last year. I said, stop calling the Cowboys America's team. They're not. They're not fun to watch.
Starting point is 00:34:36 I mean, Tennessee Titans, Dallas Cowboys. It's the same thing. It's a corner TV game. Like if you have three TVs, you're not putting the Cowboys front and center. They're boring. Tennessee's boring. Cleveland's boring. We all know the boring team.
Starting point is 00:34:50 The New York Giants are boring. The Kansas City Chiefs, average viewers per NFL game, 17 and a half million. 47 of their 50 NFL games shown on TV. The highest ranked games. at him here. The top five games so far the NFL season. Kansas City Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Kansas City,
Starting point is 00:35:17 Kansas City, San Francisco, and then Ravens, Dallas, which was shocking. Dallas lost. So, Jerry Jones sees this. We have always said on this show, Jerry Jones loves attention, seeks it.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Jerry sees this. He knows what's happening. What is the way to make the Cowboys in three months fascinating. For a TV viewers, the guy behind me, Dionne Sanders. That's how you make the Cowboys fascinating. I love Mike Vrable. He doesn't make him fascinating.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Belichick doesn't make him fascinating. Guy wearing the cowboy hat, the former cowboy, you hire him. That is must watch. Vrable's good. It's not must watch. Belichick, kind of must watch, but not totally. Charismatic Dion Sanders gets named the head coach. I'm telling him.
Starting point is 00:36:11 you, it is, I saw those numbers, that is a real thing. The Cowboys are not America's team. The Kansas City Chiefs are. By the way, and it's not just that the Chiefs are winning, but they're also fascinating to watch. When the Patriots had Brady, they weren't always the highest-rated team. I mean, it was do your job, be efficient, be smart, take pay cuts. San Antonio Spurs were not a fascinating dynasty.
Starting point is 00:36:36 The Warriors were. Shaq and Kobe were. So not all winning teams. I mean, the Pittsburgh Steelers get good ratings, but Kansas City is a fascinating, clever, creative, star quarterback franchise. In fact, I wouldn't even put the Dallas Cowboys two. I would put Kansas City one. I honestly think there's an argument that Philadelphia and San Francisco,
Starting point is 00:36:59 depending on who they match up against, I think Lamar Jackson, I think Josh Allen, I think they have pull. For me personally, my favorite watches in the league are Buffalo, Kansas City. and Baltimore. Because I get Lamar Josh. I love Lamar Jackson. I love Josh. I love Mahomes.
Starting point is 00:37:17 I like quarterbacks. So I don't care how good your roster is. Brock Purdy doesn't get me to a television set. I'll watch the Niners, but the five and five Niners, they're just this year. They're not very interesting. They've got a win to be fascinating. So J-Mack doesn't like my takes today.
Starting point is 00:37:33 How are the Chiefs one of your top three watches? I'm just talking this year. I get right now. Because I get the greatest coach, arguably, and the greatest quarterback arguably ever, I got Taylor Swift waving at me every time I turned the TV on. You mentioned Taylor Swift, I forgot about that.
Starting point is 00:37:49 I was thinking about the immortals like Kareem Hunt and Noah Gray and Jujus. I mean, their skill position players stink. They couldn't move the football on the bills. But Taylor Swift, so I will concede, you're on to something there. Chiefs probably a type of time. They've won 15 to 16 games.
Starting point is 00:38:05 I like winners. I like watching success. I like watching people who are excellent at their craft. Even if it's kind of a boring slog. You know what? A lucky win in overtime of the Super Bowl. They block kicks on the last play. All luck.
Starting point is 00:38:16 That's pretty exciting to me. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called,
Starting point is 00:38:34 Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. First people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.
Starting point is 00:38:46 So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.
Starting point is 00:39:06 We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. People could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman helped make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying,
Starting point is 00:40:03 and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions
Starting point is 00:40:32 everybody wants answered. Sports slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsSlice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicalife-Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting. the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levant, this went to a billion dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen Chinch won. I mean, she went down in three to Robocchio. but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me.
Starting point is 00:42:14 And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.
Starting point is 00:42:37 The matchup we've all been waiting for is here. here on Big Noon Saturday. Second-ranked Ohio State takes on undefeated, fifth-ranked Indiana in one of the season's biggest games. It all kicks off live from Columbus at 10 a.m. with Big Noon kickoff. Then don't miss Indianaverse Ohio State at noon only on Fox. Ohio State's a 13-point favorite. Who you got in that one?
Starting point is 00:43:04 Indiana and the points. Wait, just the points or win outright? Make a prediction Friday. That's a lot of points. To give Indiana. By the way, Ohio State's got much better players, but they had much better players than Michigan. Two of the final three years they played them.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Coaching matters. It matters a lot. Is Jim Harbaughal coaching Indiana? No, the guy they got is pretty good. So I have for a year. So J-Mack wants to eat as fire coaches. And I'm like, it sends a terrible message. There have been times in my life where I'm looking for work.
Starting point is 00:43:39 One of the first things I look at, do I trust the management? Do they know what they're doing? There's a sea of money out there for people. There's not a sea of great management. Like, do they know what they're doing? You start firing coaches, and the best candidates are like, I'm not taking my family to that. I'm not going to get my wife in a new place and a new neighborhood and ask her to make all. And then I got the, you know, this coaches, owners doing crazy impulsive stuff.
Starting point is 00:44:02 And I think it's a real thing. That's my take is always, in very few instances, do I watch a coach and go, yeah, this is not working. I mean, Freddie Kitchens in Cleveland. That's not working. Jim Tom, Sue with San Francisco. That ain't working. But in most instance, everybody wants to run off Brian Kelly at LSU and Lincoln, Riley. Jim Harbaugh's third year at Michigan, they pulled back in won eight games.
Starting point is 00:44:23 Take a deep breath. So this story is so bad for the Jets and their brand. What coach would want to be in this mess? So according to the athletic, sources at the athletic, multiple sources. after they lost to Denver, Woody Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rogers. Now, it was a typhoon. Neither team could move the ball.
Starting point is 00:44:46 It was a 10-9 game. Jets lost. Apparently, everybody was in this thing. Sala was in it. Joe Douglas was in it. The team president was in it. A couple of the owners were in it. Everybody talked Woody Johnson off the cliff.
Starting point is 00:44:57 They're like, no, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that. So there's a couple of things here. That looks terrible for the organization. Terrible. It's a circus. The other thing is no owner in Green Bay is better than almost every situation in the league. There's probably six great owners, like there's six great coaches and six great quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:45:19 10 good GMs, or maybe six good owners. It's crazy town, the B Club, the billionaires, crazy town. But Woody Johnson flew to Malibu. They played to Aaron Rogers Vanity. We all love that. He bit on it and went from non-caus to chaos. So two things to learn. Number one, the grass isn't always greener.
Starting point is 00:45:40 Now, a lot of times it is. I have no problem with people taking big swings in life. Sometimes the grass is greener, but it not, having no owner is clearly better than having Woody Johnson. And the second thing is, darkness retreats and ayahuasca clearly don't equal better decisions. They may make you happier, lose some weight, some clarity. They don't make you make good decisions because the jets have always been a circus under Woody Johnson. and I think a lot of this with Aaron was the fight for control. It doomed Pete Carroll in Seattle.
Starting point is 00:46:13 It doomed Belichick in New England. And I think Aaron wanted control. I want Randall Cobb. I want Al-Lazard. I want my buddy. Aaron didn't have that control in Green Bay and he wanted it. Well, guess what? You're an athlete, not a general manager.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Remember when LeBron told Pat Riley draft Shabazz Napier? Right? Like, coach is coach. Players play. GM's GM. each of those individually are very hard. I don't want my players be in my GMs. I don't want my coaches being my players.
Starting point is 00:46:44 So separation, every one of them, their own silo, is not a bad thing. I don't want my chef necessarily owning the restaurant. I want a restaurant owner. I want a chef. I want a host. How many restaurants? Bank won't. Banks won't give restaurants loans.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Why? Because you get a star chef that wants to own it and operationally that know what he's doing. She doesn't know what they're doing. Chefs don't make great owners of restaurants. They all think they are, but most don't. But I think the real issue here, we can bang on Aaron. And I will say, Michael Irvin made a great point yesterday. I thought this was really smart on why the Aaron Jets thing didn't work.
Starting point is 00:47:28 The Jets, I said, messed up when they tried to make Aaron Rogers the main thing. instead of keeping their main thing as the main thing. They were primarily a running game, run team to play great defense that needed some guidance at quarterback. They allowed Aaron Raj to pull them into his fight of trying to prove to everybody the woke crowd in Green Bay that I still have it instead of Aaron Rogers being added to their fight. This is really interesting.
Starting point is 00:48:01 There's a distinction. The Steelers. had their culture. Toughness, defense. They asked Russell Wilson to clean up the offense. They didn't build the culture around Russell Wilson. The Jets had a culture.
Starting point is 00:48:18 Tough and physical run game. And yet they gave up their identity to Aaron Rogers. This whole savior thing is nonsense. Matt Stafford wasn't a savior for the Rams. He was an upgraded quarterback. Tom Brady didn't save Bruce Ariens. He already had a trophy.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Jason Light was one of the best GMs. The Tampa Bay roster was excellent. That's why Brady went there. They needed a right tackle. They drafted Tristan Worst. They needed another running back. They got Lenny Fernette. And then Tom said, hey, give me a veteran tied end who can block in Gronk.
Starting point is 00:48:52 And they talked Gronk out of like a retirement. Like that's what they needed. Tom wasn't saving them. Tampa had all sorts of talent. The Rams had talent. Denver didn't. Russell tried to be a savior. in Pitchburg, it bombed because they needed a savior.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Pittsburgh didn't. Didn't need a savior? Just clean our offense up. Drive us down the field, be good in the fourth quarter, don't turn the ball over and hit the deep ball. And that's all Russell's done. So there's also this to throw out there. According to Connor Hughes of SNY, he was told by sources the team prefers, prefers to move on not only from Sala and Joe Douglas, but Aaron Rogers, too.
Starting point is 00:49:36 So whatever. He'll have a market. Believe me, he'll have a market. Okay, so I got, I got, well, you don't think he'll have a market? Somebody's going to want Aaron Rogers? Who? There's eight teams now desperate for a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:49:49 And you want this guy? I can we just torpedoed the jets? There's eight teams that need a quarterback. Shadour Sanders and the kid at Miami, Cam Ward. The only two college quarterbacks ready to play. Sam Darnold will be on the market. That's three.
Starting point is 00:50:05 There's five more teams that need a quarterback. Daniel Jones or Aaron Rogers? I'm not touching Aaron Rogers, Colin. No way. Come on. What is he shown to you that he's ready to be an NFL quarterback? This season, what is he shown? Eight teams need one.
Starting point is 00:50:22 All right, that's got to be some kind of friendly wager. I'm saying. There's just no way. No way anybody touches Rogers. Come on. You say eight teams. Name one. Name one.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Raiders? You think the Raiders are going for Aaron Rogers? Hey, if Cleveland goes for a quarterback, that could be 19. Stop. Stop. I'm just throwing out. Not Aaron Rogers. No, way.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Deshawn Watson got a guaranteed deal. He was in his prime. He was like 28. With all that baggage? Rogers does that baggage? Aaron's going to have a market, a small one. Oh. Hey guys, it's us.
Starting point is 00:51:02 The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it,
Starting point is 00:51:20 but you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:51:51 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michelle McPhee, and I've been unraveling the strangest criminal alliance. I've ever reported on a Mormon polygamist and an Armenian businessman. Multi-million dollar house, Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, a billion dollar fraud. But how long can this alliance last? Tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me?
Starting point is 00:52:23 Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host Kia Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor. It signals to the world that you're not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen to learn the hard way on the AHA radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to SportsSlic on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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