The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Deion Sanders might be on the move

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

Colin addresses a report Deion Sanders is seriously considering the Cowboys head coach opening and why this lines up perfectly with what we know about Jerry Jones He breaks down what makes the Chiefs so successful and why teams need to follow the Kansas City model more often The Steelers have not done a good job drafting quality QBsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Greg CoSell one hour from now to talk about the NFL playoffs. But J-Mack, a story. And I guess you and I aren't surprised. I have some questions how it would turn out. But, you know, Jerry Jones was on that show Landman, and everybody was marveling at what a showman he was. And who's the ultimate showman as a football coach? Not bad. You know, I'm only on episode six, so no spoilers for Landman.

I don't want to know what happens yet, but this news, I don't know what to do with it, man. Let's not keep people waiting and holding their breath. Edwarder, respected journalist says, regarding Dion Sanders, Edwarder says, I'm being told he would certainly accept that if Jerry Jones offered the next cowboy coaching, head coaching gig to him, and that those around Jerry are encouraging him to pursue it, and that Jones is enamored with the idea. Well, it would be interesting and splashy, and they're two showmen, and I think Jerry and Dion have a lot in common. They're performers. They'll take risks, and if you criticize him, they'll come on your show and talk about it.

They don't shy away from risk. They welcome the spotlight. But Dallas is also two things today. Not very good and boring. So this falls in line with Jerry Jones personality, which is he likes to be seen as the man who discovered something. He loved getting Tony Romo at a discount. He was undrafted. He loved getting Dak Prescott at a discount.

right fourth rounder and dion sanders who we don't think of as the best coaching candidate you'd probably there's a little bit of discovery here and i think jerry loves that jerry's DNA was an oil cater let's dig and see what we got down there and jerry and the nphls a little bit like that let's see what we've got here with undrafted tony romo and dion sanders as a head coach and dac prescott is a fourth rounder so i'm i don't know if Dionne Sanders' prime time would be a great coach. Let's just be honest about his college football experience. He went 13 and 12 in two years

with arguably the best college quarterback. And without an argument, the Heisman trophy winner who played both sides of the ball and in a bad conference, the Big 12. He wasn't in the SEC. He wasn't even in the Big Ten of the ACC. See, is in a big 12, we're 13 and 12. And he got blown out a lot.

And I will sell this, say this. Primetime can sell prime time. And by proxy, he'll sell Dallas. But salesmanship is huge in college football. That's 75% of the game. Nick Saban was old, but he was young in the recruiting trail. He had energy and juice and swag. And Dion's got a lot of that.

But the Cowboys have no camp room. and they're not going to trade DAC, so how does he make them better? And my rule has always been, whenever you make a coaching move, what do your rivals say? What do you think the Philadelphia Eagles are saying this morning about this story? They're saying, well, Jerry likes the spotlight, so he'll get the spotlight. They're not saying, oh, damn, Vrable is going to change that. that culture.

Or last year, oh boy, Jim Harbaugh wins everywhere and really fast. And he's coming from Michigan. He knows all those college players. There's no fear in the Philadelphia Eagles executive suite or locker room today with Dion Sanders. He's a showman who was a 500 coach in a bad conference in college. Now, he took over a bad job. He was good for the sport.

I was rooting for him. I think he's fun. But is Jerry going to win the spotlight sacrificing for a person? perhaps winning games. So Joel Klapp was on the show yesterday, who played at Colorado, who hopes he stays prime time at Colorado, and he doesn't necessarily the NFL's a great fit. I don't believe that Dallas is somehow a better destination. In fact, I view it opposite.

And I view this by this is not a Colorado and Dallas thing. This is also just an NFL versus college football. If you find the right fit in college football where you're comfortable and, and you can win, even in the Big 12, you're going to make a lot more money in the long run and have a lot more power in the long run than going to the NFL. Because even if the NFL can pay you more maybe per year,

that's going to be a short runway and you have very little to no power. I don't think Dallas's issue was a coaching problem. I think it's a roster problem. It's really top-heavy with a wildly overpaid quarterback and one great playmaker. And the Cowboys ended up, believe it or not, being too good to get a great draft pick in a really, really okay draft.

It's not a bad draft, but there's about seven to eight special players. And Dallas actually McCarthy coached them up too well, and they don't have one of those top picks. And it's not a draft. And in my opinion, unless you could get the receiver T-MAC from Arizona or a Mason-Gram or, or Carter the edge rusher from Penn State. I'm not moving up for anybody else. I don't even think I'm moving up for these quarterbacks. And you know, Jerry's not getting rid of his quarterback.

So what do you think the Eagles are saying today? Because I got news for you. Once Jim Harbaugh was coming to the Chargers, I can guarantee the people in Kansas City were like, damn, Herbert finally got a coach. And I can guarantee you in Buffalo with Mike Vrable going to New England. You know what they're saying in Buffalo? Oh, he'll get that puppy turned around real fast.

We got ourselves, we got ourselves a ball coach. I think Philly's saying, well, Jerry likes the spotlight. He's on land man. And he's got Dian, so he'll get that. Not saying he's going to fail, but there's some guarantees in the job search. I thought Vrable was one of them this year, and Harbaugh was one last year. I don't know what you get here. Okay, so it's interesting.

think as the Kansas City Chiefs try to do something nobody's done in the NFL, three straight Super Bowl wins, they would be kind of intimidating. Kind of daunting. But Sean Payton just said yesterday that when

they went into the playoffs, they were actually more concerned about Buffalo. And that if they could get past Buffalo, they liked their chances against the Chiefs. We're not looking backwards. We're looking ahead. And it's starts with the division, you know, and there's a lot of confidence in this team if we could get

past that game. The next game we had to play, we felt real good about. And that next game was going to be Kansas City. So I think actually Kansas City proves two things, and it's actually instructive for other teams. It's instructive. And they prove two things. One, you don't have to be great at everything to win back-to-back Super Bowls. Kansas City's receiving corps, the last two years, a lot of Hammondeggers. It's just a lot of guys. Now, now, Reed and Mahomes take a D plus group and make it a C plus group, so it's not terrible. But you don't have to be great at everything.

The one, but if you're terrible at anything, Joe Burroughs O lines, you're not winning Super Bowles. The one time Mahomes didn't have his starting offensive tackles in the Super Bowl. Super Bowl 55, he got rolled. He got humiliated. the coaching is too good in the NFL. You do not have to be great at everything. You can't be terrible at anything. I mean, there were years Brady didn't have a great run game,

but James White was one of the best past-catching running backs in the league. So they may not have had a superstar running back, but their backs could catch and block and protect. And so that's the first thing. You do not have to be great at everything to win Super Bowls. Can't be terrible at anything. And the second thing is, is you really only have to be elite at about four or five things.

Head coach, quarterback, you've got to have a dominant defensive person up front somewhere. Edge, Chris Jones, Aaron, Donald. Got to have a dominant defensive lineman. You have to have an above-average offensive line and some reliable playmaker. It can be Sequin Barclay. It can be Gronk and Julian Edelman. It can be a tight end, a slot receiver. You have to have a third down go-to guy for the.

the quarterback. They're not all going to be as good as Jamar Chase, but Pooka Nakua, Sequin, Barclay, you know, Travis, Kelsey, you've got to have one of those. So the Colts and the Seahawks, by the way, I think you have excellent rosters, but they're not great at key positions. And so Kansas City fools you into thinking, this is not a great team. They're great where you need to be in the NFL. So they're They're very instructive. They don't intimidate you. But if you go back and look at New England, they are Kansas City.

Great coach, great quarterback, always above average offensive lines, always had somebody that could get after the quarterback. They often led the NFL in hurries. And there was one reliable playmaker, often two. It was James White at a receiver spot out of the back field. It was gronk. For a couple years, it was Randy Moss. often Welker or element. There was always

one guy Tom knew he had on third down, and that is Travis Kelsey. So, you know, it's like the restaurant menu. Not everything has to be great. Get stuff off if it's terrible, and you've got to be good at two or three things. In and out, don't like their fries. Burgers and shakes, they crush.

So I think a lot of people look at Kansas City and doubt them, but they're a very instructive team taking that baton from New England. So Dion Sanders to the Dallas Cowboys. J. Mack, your initial reaction, Primetime wants it if it's offered. Jerry is enamored with it and may offer it.

Do you think it comes to fruition? I mean, you've got to respect Edwarder. He's been doing this covering the team for a long time. I just have a hard time seeing Dion doing this. You've talked about it. Is it a good job? Is it the Dallas job? Well, if you look at the roster.

Jackson State. to Colorado Dallas Cowboys. That's a very noteworthy ascension. Yeah. So it is a great job. Now, if you're coaching, if you're Sark or Ryan Day, if Ryan Day won the Natty,

I look at the Dallas Cowboys and think, I'm going to wait until I get a rookie quarterback on a rookie deal, or I get a Justin Herbert or a C.J. Stroud. So, again, what is your job? If you go from Jackson State, I mean, Dion was just broadcasting and speaking, and he was great at it. It was great broadcast.

and a good public speaker and all that stuff. Jackson State Colorado Dells Cowboys, you take that job. I mean, if I was him, I would take that job. I'll be honest here. You know, Michael Irvin, we talked to him during the break when he's on the show, and he's just like upset that we're saying this is not a good job. Straight up honesty, Colin. Jacksonville calls you and says, we want you to be our head coach.

We got Trevor Lawrence, your show, Colin. Jerry Jones calls you and says, hey, come on down, Colin. We want you as the coach. No, no, no, because. From a football perspective, win with Jacksonville much sooner than Dallas. But I think Dion Sanders now, because he's had some modicum of success at Colorado, views this as more than just a football job.

It is brand enabling. By the way, let's say he goes there and he's okay. He could walk into another great TV gig. He could maybe say, you know what, I'm going to be a part owner somewhere. I want to do a little upstairs stuff. I mean, it would give him more options. We always felt this with Colorado. There's a pretty low ceiling and a pretty low floor.

Like, Colorado can be really bad and rarely great. I mean, I couldn't tell you the last time they were great. He put him back on the map, basically. He put him on the map, but he didn't put him on the best part of the map. But maybe that's not what he wants. Maybe he wants the branding. I don't know what Dion wants. Does he want the branding or does he want to win Super Bowls?

What do the Eagles think today? Are they terrified? I don't think they're the least bit worried. And that's always been my rule on it. What do your rivals think when you hire somebody? The Kansas City Chiefs are a dynasty, and they looked at Harbaugh and Herbert and thought, oh, boy, wish you would have taken that Jacksonville job because Harbaugh wins immediately everywhere.

And even this year, Chargers matched that with Kansas City pretty, pretty well. If you're Washington, I don't even think you're quaking in your boots. You got Jane Daniels. You know, like, I'm not worried about Dallas. If you're Washington, you didn't want Vrable going to Dallas. There you go. You didn't want that. You didn't want Harbaugh going to Dallas.

You didn't necessarily want Belichick going to Dallas. You can live with prime time. And again, we're not saying he can't coach, but we're saying it's unproven. And what his strength is, showmanship, doesn't matter in the NFL. In college players select you. In the NFL, you select them. It doesn't matter. I mean, Belichick's grumpy.

It doesn't matter. It has no, I mean, many of the great coaches have been rough around the edges, have not been showmen, have been gruff. Tom Coughlin, he won in college, but he was okay in college. Tom Coughlin was a great, he's a Hall of Fame coach in the NFL. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?

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And so there's discussions right now. The Steelers have acknowledged they don't know if they have the right quarterback in their organization right now. Now, my take is old Russell and young Justin, that's not it. How many quarterbacks in the history of the NFL have scrapped for five years and then become stars? Justin Fields has talent. He's not going to be a star quarterback. Struggle to see the field, got hurt, picks, inaccuracy. He's a talented kid, but he's probably a great backup or a spot starter occasionally.

So there's a rumor now, and Aaron Rogers may not be the solution long term. I would argue as a real argument outside of Sam Darnold, he'd be the best fit in Pittsburgh. Big Ben doesn't think he'd work. Is Aaron going to play anymore? I mean, there's a rumor was of him coming to Pittsburgh, which I don't think is a good move for the Steelers. I don't think that's what you want.

I don't think you want a guy for one, like a one-year band-aid for the, just because it's, do you think, if you think that you are just a quarterback away, then you go try and find a quarterback that you, you think can take you over the top. Yeah, and I think fairly, J. Mack, I, people I've talked to see Aaron as middle of the pack in the NFL right now. At best, 13th, 4th, 12th, 13th, best, at worst, 16th, 17th.

I would take Baker Mayfield today over, and Sam Darnold over Aaron, but Aaron had a good, mostly good last seven, eight weeks, and I do think for Pittsburgh, it would be a decent fit. He's a grown up, he could learn the playbook quickly. but the Steelers have been, you know, putting Band-Aids on for six years. I think they have to rip it off. I would trade T.J. Watt, George Pickens, two first-round picks if your scouting department said, Shadur-Sanders is the guy.

Because I think Cam Ward's going to go number one. I think Shadur-Sanders you could get at number five, six or seven. But the Steelers, what's interesting is they're in the same predicament they were in 2022, where they need a quarterback and it's a lousy quarterback draft. And they settled for Kenny Pickett. And I said at the time, I reported at the time, I had talked to an NFL general manager with Super Bowl rings who said he's a third rounder. I talked to another general manager who had been to a Super Bowl had not won one. And he said he's a mid to late third rounder.

But they had to reach. So, you know, the most proactive franchise in the NFL for quarterbacks is indisputably Green Bay. They draft them and sit them for years. You know, these guys, Pittsburgh has not drafted an elite quarterback since Big Ben, and that was 21 years ago. So, and there's a reason the Packers have not had a quarterback shortage for three decades. They draft, hold, develop, and then star. So the truth is, I don't know if Aaron's the answer, but he may be the solution for a year. But I think the Steelers, they treat quarterback a little like a New Year's resolution.

they're all gung-ho about it. You know, but by like late February, you're no longer going to the gym. And by late November, the Steelers aren't really a viable team. It sounds good. There's a lot of hope and optimism, but you're not going to the gym. By late February, you don't even drive by it anymore. I would trade T.J. Watt, George Pickens, two first rounders, and go get Chudor Sanders. If you think he's a starting quarterback.

Nobody that I talked to in the league thought Kenny Pickett was a starter. Back up. You know, a homegrown kid. But proactive is the way to do it. I mean, remember, Kansas City moved up, gave away picks. They had a pro-ball quarterback in Alex Smith. And, you know, Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco made a lot of money and won a lot of games in Baltimore. And they went and got them got to Mark Jackson.

So I think you've got to take a big swing on this thing. If you want to go find the next Big Ben, and Big Ben was a very good prospect of Miami of Ohio. People knew Big Ben could play. Big Strong, Mulner. Bowl and he delivered, got him to Super Bowls. But I don't, you say whatever you want about Aaron. To me, there's two teams in this league, primarily the Steelers, that are a quarterback away, well, three, the Colts, the Seahawks, and the Steelers.

If you got the right quarterback, they're pretty interesting teams. But there is no recent history to make me believe Pittsburgh would get aggressive. Seattle, Colts, kind of think they would. Pittsburgh, I don't. Jay Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with the best matchup of divisional weekend.

Ravensville. Lamar versus Josh Allen. Both MVP candidates were taken in the first round of the 2018 draft. And while we've seen Alan hang with his quarterback counterparts in the offseason, Lamar keeps things all business. I don't really chill with people off season, like, especially not other quarterbacks. Like, nothing like, like, don't get me. There's no problem in that, but it's like we compete against each other.

I'm trying to beat you, man. I'm not trying to be your friend. When we're older, we'll probably laugh about it, but right, no, I'm serious. I ain't laughing with you. Can't wait. I still like Buffalo. Vegas likes Baltimore. Well, wait a what about that take from Lamar Jackson?

We're competing. I can't be friends with you. What? Well, that's the way. I like that. I don't want my quarterbacks to like each other. Lamar's not competing with Josh Allen. He's competing with the Bill's defense.

They're coming after him. him and Josh Allen, they're not on the field tackling one another. I just think that's a really I think when you play Lamar or Josh Allen and Mahomes you are competing against each other. I think Barclay and MJ in the finals were competing. That's different. They could get matched up

one-on-one in the pain and a post-up of a switch or whatever. When you're talking about legacy and contracts and trophies... So you can't be friendly to the person and hang out in the office? Not during the game. You just told me you went to lunch with another radio host. Whoa. What's going on? Yeah. I'm competing. I would never speak to him.

acknowledge him if he was in the studio during a show. Oh, geez. I don't mind my quarterbacks being a little feisty and competitive. I don't have a problem with that at all. It's a brotherhood, man. Come on. My locker room's a brotherhood. Your locker room is your problem.

No, they're all football players. They're all buddies. They should be friendly. I don't like this. You don't even believe that. They should all be friendly? I mean, unless you're a jerk. But by all accounts,

Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are nice guys well-like. But Lamar definitely is not in the hanging out with Patrick Mahomes, going to Lake Tahoe and Steph Curry's golf tournament. I like that. I like that in the offseason, he's not available. Remember the Brady stuff when you saw text about Peyton Manning? Everybody's like, oh, Brady and Manning are buddies. And Brady's like, yeah, not really.

I'm competing against Peyton Manning. I think I like Lamar Jackson's like, you guys go hang out and get golf tournaments. I'm going to be over here getting my traps in blue. Oh, yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, definitely. So I did make a wager here on this game. By the way, have you laid anything on this one? I will tell you, Philadelphia is the best pick of the weekend.

As long as the numbers, five and a half, six. Okay. We both had winning weeks last week. You're going to sit on the fence on the game of the week. You know what? MVP quarterbacks. I would bet Buffalo plus points at home. I think that's the side.

I think it's a much deeper, more diverse, offensive menu. I got backs, tight ends, receivers. Zayflower's not. practicing again. So it comes down to I'm on the road against Buffalo. It's me and Derek Henry. Is Derek Henry going to duplicate the effort I just saw? Doubtful. I don't know. I just, I think if I have two offensive stars, two and a half Mark Andrews, and right now, if you look at yards per play, all the analytic stats, like Buffalo can beat you four, five different ways offensively. James Cook, Josh Allen, the slot receiver down the field, tight end usage. With Zayflower out,

Who's the best two pass catchers in this game? The tight ends. Kincaid and Andrews. I mean, I think they're very reliable players. I almost think the bills have better skill position guys. I do, too. Like Cook and Henry's close, but it's probably Henry, but Cook's going to catch past.

Cook gets into the end zone. I think he's a top five running back in the league. I don't think he's as good as Gibbs. He's not as dynamic as Gibbs. He's not as as, He doesn't have the past catching skills of Christian McCaffrey. He's not the bulldozer of Derek Henry. But in terms of just can do a little bit of everything and can smell the end zone,

James Cook's great. Yeah, yeah, like him a lot. Next up is the Rams. Defensive line showed up big against the Vikings, tying in the NFL record with nine sacks on your guy, Sam Darnold, in that 27 and 9 victory. This week, they're facing the Eagles' awesome offense. Right tackle Lane Johnson spoke to the task at hand, saying,

If you watch a Minnesota game, it was a bleeping horror show. Thank goodness Aaron Donald isn't still there. Boy, you got some numbers here. Fisk has been a beast, Kobe Turner, Byron Young, of course, verse. Do they have their last two drafts? They're like six for six on their high-end defensive draft picks. They're all excellent. They have not missed on a defensive draft pick in two or three years.

Now, the Eagles did allow 45 sacks this season. season, and I was reading some about how the Rams play a lot of zone coverage. And Jalen Hertz tends to hold onto the ball just a tick too long, and that it does invite some sacks. Now, A.J. Brown, we know, kills the man defense. Devante Smith is his guy against zone, so I wonder if A.J. Brown is going to be unhappy again facing this Rams defense. Maybe if he checks out all of a sudden, then, he's like, uh-oh.

But let's just think of a couple of things. warm weather team on a short week traveling to a cold weather city running back who will be needed not 100% off a game in which they played virtually perfect football does that sound like a team that's going to double down on that

Eagles a much better team at home coming off an ugly performance in which they won I'll say this about the Rams their defense is outstanding And I think the game's a low-scoring game. I think both defenses, I really think this game is like 23-17-ish. And that ball, it's not high-scoring. You're not going to load up on that. You're not going to score a lot of points on the Rams.

I mean, they've been great for a month and a half. And, you know, the Rams against the Bills or against the Vikings, they look, if you don't watch the Rams every week, and you just watch those two games, high-profile game. The Bill game got a big rating and Viking game got a big rating. But you didn't watch the Rams beyond that. you think their offense is electric. Now, those are the two games.

It was electric. You and I both talked about this. They struggled moving the ball in the first half against teams like the Jets. So those two games you mentioned were both indoors. I looked at the outdoor games in Ransom played. They're not the same. Especially look at the first half numbers. Very slow start.

So I took the under 22 and a half first half. I think that's a really smart bet. In fact, that could be the best bet of the weekend. Yeah, the Rams come out kind of slow and plotting and McVeigh's feeling them out. But look at the outdoor splits. Don't just look at the indoor. Like you said, if you look at that Bill's game, you're like, oh my gosh, Rams can score anyway. This is going to be like 25, 30 degrees outdoors.

Different story. Final story here. A lot of Bill Belichick speculation, Colin. Oh, the $10 million buyout. He could go back to the league. However, his GM at UNC, Michael Lombardi, wants everybody to pump the brakes. He put on social media. Bill is recruiting in D.C. today and Baltimore tomorrow.

His focus is North Carolina football, hiring staff members and developing the team. The NFL isn't an option, so please stop making it one. Thank you. Well, I think the chances of him staying in college for a year with Philadelphia and Buffalo both winning this weekend are probably 98%. 99%. So Eagles lose. Does Howie Roseman... Does he call him?

Probably. I'm not saying they'd hire him. I say they'd call him. I thought if Buffalo or Philly lost in first round, I said, that's Bill's out. They both won. And I think they're both going to win in week two. So that tells me Bill is, again, new information. Now I think Bill's going to stay at Carolina for a year.

But I did think if Buffalo got beat by Bo Nix, there was going to be big discussions in the executive suite of Buffalo about McDermann. Well, the interesting angle to that is there weren't many hires until the latter part of this past weekend. Remember Sunday Lombardi put stuff out there after the results were... That's right. I'm not calling out Lombardi.

Don't tweet at me, Mike. But the minute those two jobs closed, then Mike Lombardy and Carolina aggressively pivoted to, we are not considering the NFL. And I now believe them. Yeah, I'm sure they were lining stuff up, getting guys ready. But you're not going to bring on a bunch of coaches. They pulled some guys out of the NFL. Let me just ask you.

North Carolina or coaching Josh Allen. Well, that's not an option. Brother, that's not close. It could have been an option if they had lost. But it wasn't. And so, yeah, I'm with this guy, Lombardi, who we both know a little bit. Yeah, listen, I want to watch Bill. I want to see Bill in college.

It's a pro model, which Sabin mostly did, but it still felt collegiate with Nick. But it's a pro model in college to an, The nth degree, so I'm fascinated by it. And I do think now Bill will stay. But you and I both had the same feeling. Philadelphia's roster and Josh Allen... You'd have to at least take a call. You have to take...

Josh Allen and Buffalo called you, and they got beat. You're not picking it up? Well, as a Jets fan, I'm not picking up. Just kidding. But yeah, he would have certainly listened. Jay McClain. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Listen to Help from Hypocrit as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Seven of the eight quarterbacks remaining in the NFL playoffs are first round picks. And then there's Jalen Hurts. So the exception proves the rule. The outlier proves the rule. Tom Brady's your outlier. Or in this instance, Jalen Hertz is the outlier.

But the bottom line is quarterback coaching and quarterback recruiting and quarterback scouting. Those are industries now. It is the only position in pro football that is regularly overdrafted. Take the Colts this year, this draft. They sat patiently and waited for the best, edge rusher to drop to them. Best edge rusher, and they needed one, and it's a valuable position. They waited patiently.

The year before the Colts reached to get a quarterback. In fact, if you look at the 2021 draft, there were five quarterbacks taken on the top 15 picks. We're not sold on any of them. Find me a draft recently. We had five wide receivers taken in the first 15 picks, and we don't like any of them. So it's just a position that you reach on. and I was looking at all the quarterbacks,

and I thought it was interesting, is the only quarterback not in the first round is Jalen Hurts. So I thought, well, let's just rank the quarterbacks that remain in the NFL. So number one is Mahomes. He's won seven straight playoff games, six and no all time in the divisional round.

I don't think anybody doubts. He is the best play from behind, big game quarterback in the NFL. I mean, you get a little L-way, you know, cognitive, you get Peyton Manning and Brady. Accuracy-wise, you get Drew Breeze. He's probably, in my opinion, the greatest quarterback talent of all time.

Josh Allen also in the top two or three, but he's number one. Number two, and I think there's an argument that Josh Allen's the most pure, talented traits player at this position ever. He doesn't have the trophies yet. He is one and three all time in the divisional round, but he has the most yards per game, totally yards per game in playoff history. He is Superman. He can literally rush for a lot of.

140 yards in the game. That's not what Mahomes is going to give you. So Josh Allen is number two. Lamar, who's not viewed quite as successful once you get into January and February as Alan or Mahomes have been, but he does lead the NFL in yards and pass attempts in yards

per carry this season. So what I would say with him is he is just an all-time unicorn, a one-of-one talent that is a little different. There's a little Michael Vick. There's a little Steve Young. There's a lot of Lamar Jackson. He's just different. We've never had a quarterback, play like this, this style, this good, Lebar Jackson. I think number four in one of the last great pocket passers, Matt

Stafford, he throws about the prettiest football we have seen in a long time. Last eight games this year, he's been on fire, seven and one. He needs a good offensive line in protection. Unlike the first three quarterbacks, he's not going to add live with his feet. But if you look at his playoff record since he joined the Rams, it's 5 and 1 with a Super Bowl trophy and a passer rating getting up near 119. Number 6. I'm sorry, guys. Jared Goff

is great and you just got to own it. First, number one picking a draft, been to a Super Bowl with the L.A. Rams, and right now Jared Goff, who again is the best pocket passer in the league in his prime. You can say all you want, but he's 14 and

one in his last 15 games. And in his last eight games, and he's done this in his career. He's on a heater at the end of his season. Now, again, like Stafford, he needs some protection, and it helps that the Lions and the Rams. O'Lions were good, but I have Jared Goff at 5. We haven't a lot of information. We don't have a lot on Jaden Daniels. I would put Jaden Daniels at number 6. I think this is about the best rookie quarterback I've seen since Elway and Andrew Luck. He is so good late in games, it just doesn't make sense. Poise, intelligence, mobility.

I mean, look at this throw in the end zone. That's like his third, fourth guy he's looked at. He's just, now again, you could say Colin, he's better than golf. Well, right now, I would take golf in a big game because I've seen him win a lot of big games. But I put J. and Daniels at six. C.J. Stroud, who's very good, but doesn't move around like a lot of the top guys, I'd have him at seven. He had a little bit of a sophomore slump, and he tends to be better at home.

and warm weather. But he didn't have great protection this year. He still throws an absolutely beautiful football. He's 0 and 5 as an underdog this year. He has not shown, unlike Jaden Daniels, the ability to take an average roster and beat better teams. But what he can do is beat the teams he should, and I think he's only going to get better.

And then number eight of eight is the only second round pick of the final eight, Jalen Hurts. and how do I say that? Go ask Greg Kosell. This is a running team. Josh Allen can run, so can Lamar. They pass, too. This is a run team.

Last five playoff games, he's been good, 11 TD's no picks, and again, the fact that I view him as probably the eighth best quarterback in the pocket. Leadership, top three or four. Intangibles, very high.

But it's sitting in the pocket, trailing in a game, got to make throws into a nickel coverage or a dime coverage, I'd put him a date. Now, some of you're going to argue C.J. Stroud, I think C.J. Stroud got his team into the playoffs without his two best receivers and a bad O' line. Jalen Hertz with two great receivers, arguably the best back in the league, and the best O' line arguably got his team in the playoffs. So can you overcome? Jaden Daniels overcame. C.J. Stroud overcame.

Here's the other story today. So I have said that I think Aaron Glenn, what he has done in Detroit as the defensive coordinator, it's actually more impressive, considering all the defensive injuries, Aidan Hutchison out for most of the year. I think what Aaron Glenn has done is remarkable. I think Ben Johnson's a very good offensive coordinator. I just think the lines are stacked offensively, and a lot of guys could move the ball with these backs and that tight end. and Amaran St. Brown and Penae Sewell in this offensive line. So Aaron Glenn, there is a stigma that has developed, and I think it's justifiable.

But Aaron Glenn says, yeah, I know what you're saying. I'm a defensive coach, not an offensive coach. And here's Mr. Glenn. I'm a coach. I just happen to be on defense. I understand the office just as well as a number of people. So if you want to hire me, you're going to hire a coach. You're not going to hire a defense coach.

I'm going to talk to the offense. I'm going to talk to the defense. So, okay, I understand that, and I appreciate that. But I don't think the narrative's wrong. There are two things to think about with defensive coaches. Once again this year, if you look at the top offensive lines in the NFL graded. Overwhelmingly, Eagles, Broncos, Lions, Packers, Chiefs, Panthers, six of eight offensive lines.

Last year, Eagles, Lions, Colts, Cowboys, once again, Falcons, remember they had Arthur Smith, offensive line coaches. If you look at the bottom of the NFL this year, Seattle, New England, Steelers, Raiders, defensive coaches.

Your number one asset in this sport is quarterback. Why? I don't know. For whatever reason, and I've been on this for years, offensive coaches can reboot and readjust. Look what Kansas City's done to their offensive line this year. In season. It was a mess eight weeks ago. They moved to guard to left tackle, Joe Tuny.

So, or is it right tackle? They moved tuning to one of the tackles. So the point being is McVeigh's done this, Andy Reid's done this, Shannon's done this. Sean Payton did it in Denver. Yet Mike Tomlin, we're on year seven. He can't figure out the offensive line in Pittsburgh. So that's the first thing I worry about. The number one asset in an organization is the quarterback. offensive coaches are better with offensive lines. What about Belichick?

The minute Dante Scarnackia retired. Many believe the best offensive line coach ever. The minute he retired, the O line regressed quickly, and within two years, it was a point of weakness. The second thing to consider, results. three of the four coaches remaining. Start looking at the final four head coaches remaining in the last three years. You know what you're finding?

It's a lot of John Harbaugh and offensive coaches. I was looking at it this morning. Last season, the final four coaches, three of four offensive coaches. The year before, four of four offensive coaches. The year before that, four of four offensive coaches. Even Zach Taylor got to a Super Bowl. So look at O-line play, it's better with offensive coaches, and look at results. The winners at the end of these seasons seem like it's John Harbaugh and offensive coaches.

And what's interesting is offensive coaches, Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reed, Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, are usually pretty good getting the defense right. but you see with some regularity defensive coaches really struggling to not be tone deaf on offense the great offensive coaches for whatever reasons I mean Sean Payton turned around the defense

if nothing else he hired the right guy so I do think I prefer offensive coaches now Demico Ryan's Sean McDermott I think they're good I think Aaron Glenn is very hireable Mike Vrable.

I thought he was the best candidate this year. So it's not that I'm anti-defensive coach, but there's a couple of factors you have to consider and also consider this one. There are no more rules that favor the defense in this league. Belichick jokes about that. He's right. More and more at safety and protect offensive players.

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