The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Do the Lakers value coaching?

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

Colin has some questions about the Lakers as they continue to search for their new head coach He shares his list of teams and quarterbacks he believes can seriously contend for a Super Bowl in the upcoming NFL season His thoughts on Caitlin Clark continuing to improveSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. We had Tom Brady yesterday on the show, J-Mack, and because we do realize that people, it was in the third hour, The people come in and out of our show, wander in and out of our show.

I'll play a chunk of that. A pretty sizable chunk of that next hour. It's the top of the next hour for the people that didn't listen late in our third hour to Tom Brady yesterday on the show. Got a lot of feedback on that. He said a lot of interesting things. Made a lot of news yesterday. So we'll take about 70% of it to bring it back to some of the more newsworthy comments by Tom Brady, who, of course, debuts in the booth for Fox this year, J-Mack.

The Lakers, meanwhile, still do not have a coach. Getting worried, Colin. I saw some odds where Reddick is being linked to the Pistons now, which would be humiliating from the Lakers. So yes, J.J. Reddick talked about as the next Pistons coach. So let's be honest. Football in America is the coaching sport, where you can take a roster, tweak it a little bit, go from bad to good. I mean, Jim Harbaugh's done it multiple times. Urban Myers done it at college.

Bill Parcells did it in the NFL. You can tweak an NFL roster, and coaches have more impact. First of all, they have more power than other coaches. They have more say and play calling than other sports. And you can build football cultures. You're seeing Harbaugh do it in the Chargers very, very quickly. And so NBA coaching is a lot of managing personalities and egos. And the Lakers just clearly do not very very.

value coaches. Strange, considering the best modern coach is Phil Jackson, and he did very well in Los Angeles, but they just, they don't value coaches. They view them as very disposable. And let's be fair here, last six champions are six different teams, half the coaches of those teams who are champions. They're coaching somewhere else. I mean, Nick Nurse, his coach is somewhere else. Mike Booneholzer, won a title, got fired.

He's coaching somewhere else. And so I do think football coaches simply matter more than other coaches. If you look at three of the coaches we view as really elite, Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, Eric Spolstra, combined last year, won a single playoff game. A single playoff game. Popovich got Wemby. No impact on the win-loss right. record. And Poppathy is a good coach, great coach. And I think there's a couple of factors here.

Number one, as salaries continue to escalate in the NBA with the new TV deal at $7, $8 billion a year, it's going to be harder to coach in the NBA. Players are going to have much more say, much more power. Donovan Mitchell wanted J.B. Bicker's staff gone in Cleveland, and he got him gone. He got him jettisoned. I mean, that's just the way the league works. It's not a knock on Donovan Mitchell. It happens every year at least once. LeBron's then had a couple of times under the radar. And the Celtics, let's be honest about the Celtics champion. I mean, didn't that feel mostly about

not even players? It felt like it was driven by general managers. Danny Aange got Tatum and Brown to the Celtics, smart drafting. And then Brad Stevens, who didn't have that much impact as a coach, but great impact as a general manager, went and got Derek White from a tanking team, Porzingas from a tanking team, and Drew Holiday from a tanking team. The Celtics don't feel like they're Joe Missoula's team, he'd only had one year as a head coach before Boston.

It was at a division two school. So they built a good staff around him, but the Celtics championship felt like Danny Aange and Brad Stevens driven. And that's not a knock on coaches. I mean, they threw Joe Mozilla into that because of some actions by the previous coach, and it was, okay, we're fine. and the previous coach was supposed to be a high-rising, ascending star coach, and Missoula was kind of like, uh-oh, could be in trouble here,

and Missoula won the title. So I look at this, what head coach in basketball could take this Lakers roster over and make a real difference? A football coach is difference. Well, Kerr, Popp, and Spolster can't even do that. I mean, Steve Kerr's great, he's not available. So the Lakers clearly, people's actions tell you what they value.

The Lakers are going to hire their, what, seventh coach in 13 years? And this JJ Reddick thing, he's the lead, he's out, he's in, Dan Hurley. They just don't, they don't value coaches. Doesn't mean they're necessarily wrong. I think they have some value, but they don't have an NFL or a college football coaching value. You are managing, to a large degree, personalities, a rotation, and egos. So yesterday, Tom Paul Sorrow's smart guy was on Rich Eisen's show. And he was talking about something.

You know, the NBA's got this thing where it's called like a Supermax, so players can only make, you know, there's a certain level on it. And by the way, I've always felt that salary caps to some degree are like sports socialism, but you probably need it because you have big cities, small cities. And if you look at baseball right now, the Dodgers and the Yankees, big economies, like they just dwarf other rosters. They just have more good players. it's not even particularly close.

And neither team has been at full strength this year, and they're great. And so Tom Pellasaro was talking about, like a potential, owners are talking about it now in the NFL, a potential quarterback cap. There certainly has been discussion within the league, rich, among certain owners, about even the idea of a quarterback cap that at some point you want quarterback numbers to not go over a certain, percentage of your salary cap. To my knowledge, that really hasn't

gained traction in part because so many teams have paid their quarterbacks. And if you went to suddenly an NBA model where all of a sudden you have the max and the supermax and there's really only a couple levels that guys can get paid at, it kind of changes the dynamics in terms of how you set yourself up salary cap-wise

or whatnot. Yeah, I don't think it'll ever happen. I'm not sure if I'd be for or against it. What I am against is paying good quarterbacks great money. And it's always struck me as odd, as much as America loves football

and obsesses over football, fantasy football, betting football, watching football. We are a football-loving nation. It's our soccer in Europe. We love it. And you can put it on Thursday, put it on Monday, put it on Sunday, put it on Saturday. I mean, UFL just

comes out. It's getting like 1.2, 1.3 million people. It's been a league for an hour and a half. but it always cracks me up. If you go to the last 12 quarterbacks that have won a Super Bowl, there's only two ways to do it. Have a Mahomes, Stafford, Brady, Peyton Manning, next level superstar, like a really elite all-time guy.

Or have a talented guy on a rookie contract. Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco was in his last year before he got paid, and then there was the outlier, the Nick Foles, Carson Wentz, Super Bowl, those guys weren't getting paid yet. That's it. That's it. Last 12 years. So when I hear media, fans I get, but even fans, I think, are so much smarter today than years ago with football because they watch it. They care about it. These people that are winning fantasy football leagues, it's not easy. Like, it's competitive. Fans are smarter than ever. You can go ask people in the the draft king's business and those kind of businesses that the sports better is smarter than he's ever been,

and he's getting smarter, except when it comes to quarterbacks and saying, pay two of the bag and pay that the bag, you were immediately eliminated, immediately eliminated, if you look at our last 12 years, from Super Bowl conversations. Based on the last 12 Super Bowls

and the only two quarterbacks who have won, which is an all-time talent or a really talented young quarterback, not making any money, there are only 12 quarterbacks that are in the Super Bowl bubble this year. And I'll give you those 12 quarterbacks. The upper echelon guys who are really all-time elite armed talents,

and I think you know who they are. We can put them on the screen. Josh Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Patrick, Aaron, and Matt Stafford. I'll keep Lamar on, though he struggled in the playoffs. He win 77% of his games. And I think Aaron Rogers, though he's old with that defense. Aaron still, when he lets go with that football, it doesn't look like almost anybody else in the playoffs.

planet. So those teams are in the Super Bowl bubble. And then the other six, these are six really good quarterbacks, and they're not getting paid yet. I consider them very talented and not getting paid. Justin Herbert, Jalen Hertz, Trevor Lawrence,

Jordan Love, Brock Purdy and C.J. Stroud. I think Purdy's the least talented, but he's talented enough, and he's not making a nickel. And that's it. Now, who's not on that list? Jared Goff, who I think's really good, but not in the top six, and really, really expensive.

And as much as I like Detroit, if you look at the last 12 years, there's two groups. You've got to be an all-time... I mean, Lamar Jackson is better in the pocket that anybody wants to acknowledge, and he is the best moving quarterback I've ever seen. And Aaron's older, but he still slings it like almost nobody else can. So for that argument for J-MAC, the J-MAC, the Jets are in the Super Bowl bubble. they have an all-timer. It helps if your all-timer isn't the highest-paid quarterback in the league.

Brady took pay cuts, so did Drew Breeze. But that's kind of it. So for all we know about football, and I think fans know more than they've ever known, when I see people saying, you've got to pay Tua, you've got to pay DAC. No, you can do that. It will avoid chaos, but you're out of the Super Bowl conversation. And I don't think we'll ever have a quarterback cap, but it's an interesting conversation.

Jay Mack, little Tom Brady next hour. Mercedes-Lewis, for years in this league, now is Chicago Bear. I'm all sorts interested in that. He'll be joining us in our last hour as well. Can I ask you how much it pained you to leave Jared Gough off that list? I know he's one of your... Well, my job is to be honest. It pained me to put Aaron on it.

Not really. But Jared Gough was the one quarterback on a team, and I like, oh, I like them. But Jared's really expensive, and I do not consider him. Now, I could be wrong. I have been the biggest Gough fan, but I don't consider him in that group. I don't. And you could say, well, isn't Tua, Tua's not getting paid big money yet. Jalen Hertz can do some things that no other quarterbacks can do with his feet. Tua does nothing. Tua is literally weather affected.

None of those guys are weather affected. It's weird. You don't have the MVP runner up on this list either. No, no. That's really expensive. And if you're going to be really expensive, then you have to be great. Not popular among voters. A lot of people, a lot of people popular among voters. We've seen players win awards.

We've seen guys made Pro Bowls and we're like, NBA tends to vote for the best story. I mean, Yokic did not win MVP, MB did. Yokic was easily the best basketball player and the most valuable player in the world. Look how many MVP's Michael Jordan won and LeBron one. They should have double the number they won. Then the only other guy was, you know, your favorite guy who throws the most beautiful downfield ball, Kylea Murray, who's on a cheaper deal, I believe, than Hertz and Herbert. Kyla Murray, I don't know, how do you leave him off?

Probably the last guy off. And I like him. I know you do. Yeah. He's your guy. But if you look at Hertz and Trevor Lawrence, Jordan, love, Brockpardy, C.J. Stroud. Now, Herbert now is making about 18, 19 a year.

So that is not super cheap, but relative to his talent, that is a bargain basement, generic quarterback salary. The other guys are six, eight, nine. their Jordan Love stuff hasn't kicked in yet. CJ Stroud is, you're basically paying him nothing. All six quarterbacks with cap hits under $20 million. So the talented guys on cheaper deals, they all make under $20 million, and they're all super, super talented.

Yeah. I don't know what Kyler makes exactly, but he would be one I took under strong consideration. Yeah. And by the way, I love golf, but he makes too much money and he's not in the top six. So now, just for, forget the quarterbacks for a second, here are the teams that I consider right now in the Super Bowl bubble. Buffalo, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Kansas City, Jets, Rams, Chargers, Eagles, Jags, Niners, Packers, Texans. Oh, by the way, this Kyler Murray is a $49 million cap hit.

That's why he's not here, right? So he's not good enough in the top. He's too expensive for the bottom. So that is his cap hit. Yeah, so when I take out the quarterbacks and I just give you the teams, nothing here bothers you. because of the quarterback. I don't know. I mean, Jags?

Are they super? Again, weaker division, they'll probably be a playoff team. I understand the pushback, but when you really distill it down to this, you're not, if I'd have taken the quarterbacks out and giving you the teams,

it makes those feel like the teams. Yeah, except Detroit. Detroit, yeah, I might have Detroit. Yeah, so would I, as a team. NFC championship. But they don't follow the pattern, and it's in arguable. Yeah.

And I love where Detroit's going. So they're the one I look at and I go, okay, maybe Detroit will break through. But the last 12 years, it's either a star, you know, or it's a really talented guy. I mean, Nick Foles is the outlier, but remember, Carson Wens, who was in the MVP running, got them, you know, he was for most of the season. Carson Wens got them where they could get into the playoffs. And Brock Purdy was so close, but he's on the rookie deal, so it would have counted. He's the lowest paid franchise guy in the league right now. Oh, you called Brock Pertie a franchise?

guy's got yeah look at that the tight is it's almost like leasing a car it's your car but you're just leasing it he's a really good lease they got him for a couple years okay all sorts of stuff you know I I I have a topic today that's not a topic I wish it was and I can't figure it out and I wish maybe you'll have the answer to it maybe you'll have the answer to it because I was talking to the staff this morning I can't figure out how to make it a topic and I don't have the answer. This stuff drives me crazy when I see something. I think it's something.

I don't have an answer for it. Because I, you know, I do a lot of theories, and that's what's fun about sports, not just breaking down games. So I should give you that coming back. No, no, don't give me a heads up. I just want to come in fresh, totally fresh. The audience can come in fresh and try to solve it for me.

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Great rates. None of the Bull. So how about this? The Indiana fever have won five of seven. Caitlin Clark was amazing last night. 18 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals. They have 6 wins. They're 0 and 6 against the two best teams in the league.

The New York, Liberty, Connecticut, Sun. They're 6 and 4 against everybody else. But the WNBA, and we banged on them for this earlier, bizarrely front-loaded her schedule. If they did not do that, she'd have 8 or 9 wins. She's going to get them into the playoffs. So they were the third worst team in the league last year. They never at any point one five of seven. She's already won as many games for this team by June 20th as they did all through July last year.

And that's with a goofy WNBA front-loading the schedule, which makes absolutely no sense. It never did. We tagged them for that when we first saw it. You knew a year ago she was going to Indiana. Give her some help. The NFL smartly figures out, oh, let's make these new teams, Caleb Williams, Jim Harbaugh, chargers. Let's lighten up the schedule early. Give them some momentum. No, that's not what the WNBA did. So once again, it is about Caitlin Clark. This is not knocking the other players,

but you are seeing now a four-pronged Caitlin Clark effect. Massive TV ratings effect for her games and any game around her game. Secondly, a massive business effect for the first time in 27 years, they will fly chartered flights. You're seeing a massive social media effect. It is getting talked about on shows and social media to a level like 600% growth. And a basketball effect. This is very much LeBron. First, previous to LeBron and Cleveland, they won like 17, 18 games.

LeBron comes in. They went 35. And business is churning. So you are seeing a four-pronged Caitlin Clark effect. They're not a championship team. That's not what they are. But the basketball's working. The business is working.

The marketing is working. The attention is working. The chartered flights have arrived. Here's Caitlin after the win. I think everybody just loves instant satisfaction in our world. Like, no one came in here and said we were going to be WMBA champions from day one in our locker room. Like that was never our goal. Our goal is to get back to the playoffs and we're fighting for that every single night.

There just needs to be solid perspective on what this team can accomplish. and I think everybody in our locker room had that and nobody ever hung our heads. We had the hardest schedule to start. We didn't get to practice much and we're playing with the most inexperienced team in the WMBA. So, I mean, I think it's just this group is starting to click and build some chemistry.

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Let's go to the NFL. Justin Fields not getting rave reviews this week, Colin, and it's getting worse. Former Steeler Levion Bell, remember him, the running back? Yeah. He's now piling on. He looked online and saw this clip of Justin Fields throwing to someone named the Route God. Yeah. And, of course, the throws were not totally crisp.

They were a little late. And Levyon Bell now chimes in on Twitter. That ball getting there late. I know it's routes on air, but this is telling you a lot. No, this was, he is not an anticipatory thrower. That was one of the knocks. Yeah, the knock on Justin Fields. And I talked to an executive about this.

He didn't want to be quoted. He said, is you almost, you can't be late in this league. He said, you can be late at Ohio State Alabama, but he goes, even in college, you probably shouldn't be late. But at Ohio State Georgia, Alabama, you have such great talent at wide receiver. You can be a little late. You can't be late. You have to anticipate throws.

he just doesn't do it. And this is against air. And these guys turn and wait. Listen, I get my information from people in the league when I asked about quarterbacks. It didn't matter if it was Tebow, Justin Field, Zach Wilson. I lean on people. This is what they do for a living.

He is not an anticipatory thrower. It's not part of his bag. And it's the difference between making it and knock. I think... By the way, Zach Wilson, same knock. Doesn't see the field, doesn't anticipate stuff. Same knock. I don't remember the NFL draft analyst, but I think someone said that Fields had slow eyes,

and I hope that's not like a harsh compliment or critique. But it's basically like he's just slow to process everything and realize, like, that's my, I got to get him the ball before. It is. It's fascinating. I've said this before. Patrick Mahomes, to me, not just beyond his talent, processes things so quickly. Now, some of this is Andy Reid.

Obviously, a lot's Patrick Mahomes. But Mahomes will see something. And within, and I mean, it is less than a half. half a second, the ball's out of his hands. Dan Marino was one of the best I've ever seen at this. Dan would see and let go. A lot of people see, they think, they wind up. It's always been the knock on Sam Darnold. The processing was slow. The delivery was slow. And between the two, that's like three quarters to a second, and that's an interception. So it's, you can have flaws in the NFL. Drew Brees didn't have a great arm. Jared Goff sits in the pocket, but you've got to be

an anticipatory throw. And a lot of that's just film study. A lot of it may be, like, C.J. Stroud. I remember watching his second game. And he made a couple of throws where and it was just like, wow, that C.J. Stroud would see something and the bowl's out. The receiver's not necessarily

open yet. But he, C.J. Stroud is another guy. He sees it. It's not quite open. He throws it open. That's anticipatory. And you can see it very early with C.J. Stroud. You saw it very early with Joe Burrow. Like, that dude's not open.

And the ball gets there, and that dude's open. And I just think it's one of those things. It is hard to draft. A lot of it is, you look at the college tape, you're like, you know, a lot of these guys think players will grow into things. Like, nobody, even Andrew Luck came out, was a perfect player. Some guys grow into being more anticipatory, and Justin has struggled to elevate there. Listening to Brady yesterday, breaking down some of his stuff when he gets to the line of scrimmage, all the checks that he has to do.

It just sounds like read and react, and some guys are great at that, right? The Stroud game was against Indy. That was the game I saw the second week of the year. Second game is a pro. You see stuff. Go ahead. You were saying? I don't know, just listening to Brady yesterday, I don't know that that's

something that you can develop. I feel like it's kind of an innate talent. Like, Brady just had that. He was one of the best at the line of scrimmage. Peyton Manning, excellent at it. It's a tough skill to, like, pick up, and especially with fields and new offense again, my new team. Can you teach Patrick Mahomes' anticipatory skills? I don't know if you can.

It's just, and I mean, again... You just have it or you don't. There's nothing wrong with that. Some guys don't have it. If you sit and watch Mahomes from like a defensive perspective, not line of scrimmage, defense, and you watch his eyes, I mean, he doesn't even have to lock into people. It's almost like he sees colors. Like he sees schemes and colors. I mean, it's not like he has to lock in.

It's just like Patrick's there. Ball is out. And the player's not necessarily open in many instances. And I think C.J. Stroud's got it. I don't want to put him in this category. But Brock Purdy, from what we've seen, maybe it's the Shanahan system. He seems to be one of these quick, decisive guys. He doesn't make a ton of mistakes.

Ravens game, obviously, outside. But some of these guys have it and some don't. Good luck to Fields. We like him, obviously. Next up, let's go to tight. end university, which has become a big part of the offseason. Stars like George Kittle, Travis Kelsey, Fox's Greg Olson are all taking part of it. Well, AJ Brown loves the idea, and he went on social media to see if the league's top

wide receivers wanted to create their own wide receiver university. He tweeted out, white outs, what's up? The tight ends get together. The DBs link up, the pass rushers. Come on, guys, we can't be too big time to link up and learn. I'm a fan of everyone and willing to work with whoever. make it happen. Whiteouts. You know Whiteouts are independent contractors.

Those guys see themselves as sort of solo acts. Yeah. Not great. Not real collaborators. I do find it interesting. A.J. Brown got paid and now he's like, hey, guys, let's link up. Let's do this. Now, Tyreek Hill has jumped in saying, let's go, which is nice to see. I don't know.

Your point about the diva receivers is that's probably spot on. You know, Jeff Schwartz, Fox, he does an offensive line one. It's just, it's a tough sell for me. wide receivers to just like step back, humble themselves a little work with some of the best. I don't know, Colin. I don't see it happening.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Final story is the Celtics coming off banner number 18 cruising through the playoffs. The question is can they repeat? Can they build a dynasty? Draymond Green believes NBA dynasties may no longer be possible. I do think this team is set up to compete for multiple titles.

When you talk about a potential dynasty, I don't quite see that happening because I think we got new rules and we got a second apron and all of those things those things haven't kicked in yet and so when those deals start to kick in

you start to hit that second apron it just changes things and I think quite frankly with those rules being in I don't know if we'll ever see another dynasty but right now they have a chance quickly to build it I think people start calling us a dynasty

when we want three and so they got a chance to do it Quickly, though. Quickly. Yeah. I said this yesterday. I think you agreed. A lot of it is not Tatimer Brown.

They didn't win before they got the Derek White and Porzingas. And I think the Derek White situation's interesting. He's all second team NBA defense, 40% three-point shooter, led the team in plus minus. The new apron can make it very difficult to keep a Derek White. And Derek White has always been a bit overlooked. He's like 29 now, so I think he'll go get money. And I wouldn't blame Derek White at all. if they maintain Derek White, and he's your third or fourth best player,

then you can be a dynasty. This is the tough part, okay? You can't replace Tatum and Brown. We got that. Porzengis is a bit of a unicorn injuries aside. I don't think Drew Holiday is easily replaceable. I think of all those guys, the easiest to replace, is Derek White. Yeah, I don't.

Who's the easiest to replace? Well. I mean, none of them are real easy. Like Horford, let's put aside because he's like 38. I think because Porzingis misses so many games. he's the easiest to replace. You also have Al Horford still. You have size.

You could find a big that can play 50 games. Wouldn't be Porzingis offensively, but could rim protect. If money was out of the equation and you said, well, Mitchell Robinson comes in. He's not the offensive player, but he'd be the rim protector. Yeah, no, no. He would kill five out because he can't shoot three.

That's right. So Porzengis, though, is easier because he misses so many games. But in the NBA, we know Tatum and Brown were disappointing us just those two. But when you bring in Derek White, who plays every night, 40%, plus minus, elite defender, and that's your third or fourth best player, that's where you separate from good teams. That's where you really separate.

So the Nuggets had Yokic and Murray as their core. They add like an Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon was huge. KCP, they stole from the Lakers. He was very good. By the way, he was a Derek White. They lost Bruce Brown, who was their Derek White. and they weren't the same offense.

Not easy to replace them. No. So at Bruce Brown is what, and again, we know that Yokic and Murray Tatum and Brown, I mean, Brown's winning MVP of the finals on Eastern Conference. But when you get, I've said this before, what made the Warriors dynasty so great is like, you were like, is Clay Thompson, he was the best catch and shoot guard in the league for about seven years? He was their fourth best player. Andre Aguadala off the bench won an MVP in the finals. So it's, it's, there's a lot of. of stars everywhere. But when you can have a fourth player be an all-NBA guy, Clay Thompson,

Derek White, that's just different. That's the separator in this league because there's a ton of stars. So you know White's up at the end of next year. If I'm the Celtics, I take a swing in free agency at a Derek White, like a poor man's Derek White, you find one. You take a swing in the draft. You've got some chances now. I just think finding a new Porzingis, like good law. I mean, that guy went like, what, second or third overall? Yeah, I would be more apprehensive. because of Horsenghis's injury history. I mean, he's been hurt everywhere he's been.

But man, when he was on the court, I think the first two games, they were like plus 25 of them. Yeah, no, he's... He killed the mass, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Boston is significantly better, in my opinion, than everybody in the league except Denver. And let's be clear, to Draymond,

you know you guys are boys, the only reason the Warriors turned into a dynasty was because they added Kevin Durant, who at the time was like one of the five best players in the league. Right? Well, they had a title in 15. Well, they won before him and after him, True, but...

Could they have won another? Well, they won in 15, lost in 16 to LeBron. I think they were a dynasty. I think Kevin made them an all-time team. They were a... They'd won two without him. Well, wait, but the second one was like 2002, like way after the fact. Well, it's the very last year.

Doesn't the dynasty have to be in a finite number of years? No, I mean, the Spurs dynasty lasted forever. I mean, Nick Wright was talking about this yesterday, that we've been. We've only had six dynasties in the history of the league. The Celtics, the Russell Celtics. And then the Lakers with Magic, the Celtics with Bird, Michael Jordan's teams, Shack and Kobe's teams, and then the Warriors. And those are the only dynasties.

You don't count the Hedels. Wait, so we're not counting the Spurs? No, he doesn't count the Spurs. I don't think he did, no. How many titles? Well, they didn't win. They weren't a back-to-back team a lot. They would win.

Two years later, they would win. Two years later, they would win. I don't have it in front of me. Well, the Patriots. I mean... Well, that's a different sport. Nobody's ever won three straight in the NFL. NBA's had several, you know, I mean, Shaq and Kobe won three straight,

Michael won three straight twice, Celtics won three straight. That's different. Basketball's different than football. So there's only been six dynasties. You could argue San Antonio would be seven. I'd probably say San Antonio in my world is a dynasty. But seven all time, that's it. Now, I think the Jordan Bulls are the best.

I think the Warriors and Kobe Shaq tie for second. I think those have an argument for the second vest. But by saying that, then I put Kareem Worthy and magic, you know, I mean, listen, there's... They were great, no, come on. The Durant Warriors are the greatest team in NBA history. No, no, no, no, no, I think people are. They would beat Jordan and Pippenny.

Almost handily. No, they wouldn't. I can't wait to see Bill Weddington on the court against the Warriors. I mean, you talk about... Do I get a hand check? Do we get a hand check? Hand check all you want. Bill Nican. Then it'd be a bull sweep.

Oh, get it. Get out of town. Like the hand check is down. I'm going Bulls won Warriors, too. Bulls much more physical basketball team. Much tougher basketball team. Pivotal minutes against the Warriors. J. Mack with the news.

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college football fans, bowl games, rivalry games. You'll see 20,000 people go to a Wisconsin plays UCLA this year. If they did, you'd get 20,000 Wisconsin fans that either live in Los Angeles or travel in the winter to watch a game in warmer weather. You know, at bowl games, you can get 40, 50, 60,000 fans, right? We know, and even in the NFL, San Francisco, the 49ers travel. those fans travel remarkably well. Steelers for years. Their fans have traveled. Detroit Lions fans. You're seeing this the last couple of years. They take over stadiums. But it's once a week. Okay. Baseball has 10 times as many games. You don't think of baseball fans traveling. Right now. We do know that New Yorkers historically have migrated West for better weather and opportunity. And the Yankees' hats are all over baseball. and we know the Cubs for years their brand was lovable losers

and you'd see Cubs hats everywhere. It was kind of a cool Yankee hats were like a status symbol. Cubs hats, you know, had their own flavor. But generally, you know, you don't see a lot of baseball fan bases

take over other stadiums in midweek games except the Dodgers. I have been watching baseball this year and I noticed at the other night at Colorado. It felt like they had all the good seats. And I'm thinking,

it's a Tuesday game. I know it's summer, but how are they getting all the good seats? Is it some app? Is it people migrating out of California? There's about 900,000 people, I think, last year, year and a half, have left California, most of it due to the price of housing, which is astronomical and bizarrely high.

so I don't have an answer for this, and maybe I'm imagining something, because I do watch more Dodger games than any other fan base. Now, the Dodgers have always done well with road attendance, because they've been really good, dominant, and they've had star players. Otani, obviously, is a part of that. Mookie Bats, Freddie Freeman, they have terrific players. Clayton Kershaw on his prime. I'm not, we know that the Dodgers draw well, just like the Yankees always did

when they had Jeter and A-Rodd. But I'm talking about the number of Dodger fans. Looks like Los Angeles fans in other stadiums, a Yankee Stadium. It fell like 30% on the crowd were Dodger fans. What's going on? That's a 3,500. Those aren't cheap tickets. They're not cheap flights.

I don't know. It just has struck me. It really struck me watching the Colorado series. You say, well, Colorado's not very good. I know that, but they have season ticket holders. Baseball fans don't generally travel in 10 and 12,000. block. Maybe it's the Otani factor.

My guess is, people are leaving California and they're going to these western states for opportunities, more affordable housing, maybe more conservative politics, whatever they're moving for. But man, there are a lot of Dodger fans on the road. It may be just as simple as it's the Otani factor.

That could be it. But it's just, it is jumped off the television set, and I don't have an answer for it. So the Dodgers lead in both home and road attendants. Again, they've always drawn well in recent years because they've had stars. But this year, it may be just as simple as Otani. I mean, you know, he's just hitting, not pitching, but it's crazy.

It is, and I'm not talking like Dodger fans sprinkled in. If I had my editors go out there and search some of these Colorado videos, it was like, I thought it was a home game. It's crazy. So brawny James is going to get drafted, I would imagine. Many suspect it would be the Lakers, their second round pick number 55. It's a very weak draft, and he's not a star player. But executives now are talking about what kind of player he is, and what he is is a tweener,

but worse than that, he's a small tweener. So he's only like six, one and a half. That's how tall I am. he's like Mike Conley size, but Mike Conley's a better shooter, much better skill set in terms of, you know, he's a true point guard. Brony's not a pure point guard, and he's not an elite shooter. He has used Derek White as how he sees himself, but Derek White is a great shooter, a great defender, not just good. Great shooter, great defender, and six four. Brony's not six two.

So one NBA executive said he's a good enough shooter, not great. A decent enough defender, not a lockdown. He's a good athlete, not great. So what is he hanging his hat on? When you draft Ronnie, he's going to give you what exactly? Said another NBA executive. Where he goes in the draft, I don't know. He's not very big.

I'm not sure what his reliable skill will be. There's one thing that I've discovered, said this executive in the NBA. If you have a healthy body, you're competitive, and you have a high basketball IQ, and even just one elite skill, you can make it in this league. The question is, what is his elite skill? So he is a small tweener. It's almost like a wide receiver in the NFL. Routes, speed hands.

You've got to be great at one of them. Jerry Judy can run really fast. I don't love his hands or his routes. And Denver didn't either. But he can really run. And then there's some that don't run particularly well, but they are great route runners. They'll become number two and three receivers.

but so there's where you are on brawny i do i don't think brawny is draftable in a great draft i i think it'd be a hard guy to draft but but about every third draft it feels like about every third draft is a weak one and he you know his thing is he's good at stuff he's not great at anything and he's small so he's not a true point guard that's not what he is and he's not nearly big enough to be a two guard so what is he you know what it sounds like it's a two-year G-League player and then if he can grow into an elite shooter we've seen that but Ray Allen did not walk into this league shooting like that you can develop as a

shooter so I've told the story before but I ran in a Cam Chancellor in Vegas once and you're talking and his story is great because he came out of Virginia Tech and nobody knew he's he's too big to be a safety he's too small to be a linebacker like what is he we don't know what to do with him so nobody really drafted him. He falls to the Seahawks. Takes a smart team to say, we're not putting you in a box. You can do a lot of different

things for us. Cam Chancellor ends up being an amazing defensive player. One of their stalwarts in the Legion of Boom. Somebody smart is going to look at Brony and say, okay, this is his skill set, his size, we can move him around, we can do this, and they're going to find a spot for him. I think this idea of, he's a point guard.

He's a two guard. He's a small forward. I think that's kind of like the old way. The Brad, Steve, Stevens is, hey, there's now guys who can handle the ball, there's wings, and there's bigs. But if you look at what the Celtics have, their top seven players all do one thing exceptionally well. All of them do some. Now, Jalen Brown and Tatum do multiple things exceptionally well. Like Porzzi...

Now they do. Brown didn't come out as a good shooter. He was not a good shooter. No, but he was a first-round athlete. He was a stroke, yeah. And he's bigger and stronger. Yeah. So it's like, Brawny's a little bit of a...

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