The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Dodgers- Giants, Eagles, Brady, Jackson

Episode Date: October 15, 2021

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That seems appropriate. Joy Taylor is joining me. Again, I was telling the staff this morning. I said every time one of these LA teams, since I've moved here, gets into a big game, NBA finals, World Series, a playing game, Tom Brady comes to play the Rams. We don't win all of our games here, but the big ones, whatever it is, and it's funny, Joy, because a lot of the big markets in the country, Chicago's teams are kind of a mess. New York's are an absolute mess. Philadelphia, Washington, a lot of big cities in America, it can't get their pro teams right. Whatever it is, there's a magic in the air in Los Angeles.

big game, if it's a deciding series game, the L.A. team's winning and there's no more popular team right now in Los Angeles than the Dodgers. Is it us or is it LeBron? You know, let's be honest about it. This city has spent a lot of money on a lot of great players and the Dodgers needed every dollar last night. So let's start with that, the Dodgers and the San Francisco Giants. I know, I know, I know. Check swing, check swing, check swing. There is no better team here. The Dodgers really, they paid more than the Giants for hitting and they got a little better hitting. These teams played 24 times this year. They split 12 and 12.

I mean, literally, the Giants won 107 games this year. The Dodgers won 106. It would have been the Dodgers won 107 and the Giants won 106, but there was a check swing that went the Giants way during the regular season. I mean, the batting average. Dodgers hit 244, Giants hit 247, home runs, Dodgers hit 242. Giants hit 246. There is no best team. We said this yesterday.

It's going to come down to a run. Everybody wants receding. Let's have them play. They shouldn't have played that series. It doesn't matter. If these teams played nine games, they'd go to a game nine. They'd play seven. They'd go to a game seven.

They played five. They went to a game five. Fans need the definitive, we are better. Dodgers aren't necessarily better. What the Dodgers did, what the, even the controversy in this series, is even. Earlier this year, the Giants got an umpiring break on a check swing. That one in the division.

And then last night, the Dodgers get an umpiring break. Even the controversies were even in this series. But you get what you pay for in baseball. It's the one sport with no salary cap. And the Dodgers have been more willing to open the wallets. There's plenty of money in San Francisco. At Silicon Valley, those fans are paying a lot for beers and programs too. But in the end, everybody's complaining about that check swing.

Well, the numbers told you Wilmer Flores wasn't going to drive in anybody anyway because the Giants couldn't drive in anybody entire series. They won one of their games, won nothing. In three of their losses, they scored five runs. They stopped hitting after game one. The Dodgers paid a lot for Mookie Betts. It was worth it. He went four for four. The Dodgers pay a lot for Cody Bellinger.

He hit 294 in the playoffs with three RBIs. Dodgers paid a lot for Max Scherzer. Guess what? He was on the mound at the end. who do the Giants pay for? Buster Posey. He was great in the series. Chris Bryant, they didn't pay a lot for because it was a trade, but he was unbelievable.

And he's a free agent. So San Francisco, my recommendation? Because the Dodgers would resign on Chris Bryant. You've got to resign in Chris Bryant. I mean, this is all about in baseball, you kind of get what you pay for. Now, you have the raise and you have money ball with the A's. Those teams aren't winning the World Series. You can be good and you can be competitive.

But the Dodgers, he did this. against the Cardinals. We just talked about this two weeks ago, and they did it against the Giants. They went all in on trade turn, all in on Max Scherzer, all in on Mookiee Betts. They needed every single dollar and player. And they do have the best team in baseball. And my guess is, you know, wherever they play and whoever they, this is going to come down to their bullpen and out. They've had so many injuries, so many up and down performers like Bellinger this year. So here is the check swing controversy. And to the Giants credit, They added context to it.

They admit they got a break earlier in this year against the Dodgers on a check swing, and here's the ending. Oh, and two, Scherzer to Florence. Just outside. He went around. Strike three game morale is the first base umpire. The Dodgers are going to the National League championship series. These two teams won 109 games coming into this one.

one game separated them in the standings. One game separates them in the National League Division Series, and one run separates them. My goodness, it was unbelievable. Gabe Kapler is the manager. Didn't go crazy. Acknowledge when it was all over. These teams are fantastic.

Probably the two best teams in baseball. And as everybody predicted, it'd go five. I said yesterday, I thought the Giants would win three, two. Here's game after. The immediate emotion is frustration, right? And that's happening all throughout the game. And it's heightened on the last play of the game. I'm way, way past the frustration that I felt in that moment.

And I really do think our players and our staff are too. I just don't know how much sense it makes for us on our side. to pick that apart. I don't know how much, how helpful it's going to be. Two best teams in baseball went to the final moment. It was going to be a messed up bunt, a wild pitch, a check swing. It's almost appropriate. That's how the series ended. An inch on a check swing. It's almost perfectly appropriate because that's all that's separated two amazing, well-managed, well-run franchises and two great baseball teams.

All right, let's talk at the game last night. I'm not going to talk Brady right now. I want to talk about Jalen Hertz. So it's very interesting. We're all kind of waiting to see as all these young quarterbacks come into the league. He going to make it, he going to make it, he going to make it. Now, you can generally tell with a big pocket guy, oh yeah, Trevor Lawrence, that's what it's supposed to look like. It gets difficult with playmakers.

And that's what Jalen Hertz is. And I said this yesterday, and perhaps the pre-Lorrence. you as two days. It's harder for me to guess on playmakers because will the coaching staff and the organization have the patience to let a Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson grow as they run around, use their feet for a couple years as they grow as pocket players. And I feel the same way about Jalen Hertz. It's almost like Lamar Jackson is a great example. Like I had issues and issues and I don't get it. Doesn't look at it. And all of a sudden you're like after about seven, eight, nine games, you're like, yeah, that's going to work.

So if you, the Eagles have the opposite problem with their young quarterback that most teams do. I mean, they only had 16 first downs. They only passed for 113 yards. They have no time of possession. They don't run the football. Don't pass it particularly well. But they were three for three in the red zone against a really talented defense. Why?

Because that's what playmakers do. So when you watch Jalen Hertz, it's not pretty, struggles on the deep ball, misses layups. I'm not denying any of that. But so did Kyler Murray in the first year. And so did Lamar Jackson look a little different. Is that, yes, this year they could not keep up with the Cowboys offense or Kansas City's offense. Well, of course not. Right now they can't.

Either could Arizona in the first year with Kyler Murray. The reality, though, is if you look at the numbers on Jalen Hertz, just go to the data. It's very interesting. His passer rating, 88.6. That's not terrible. He's a kid. his completion percentage, 62 and a half. That's good enough for the number of starts he's had.

Eight touchdowns, four picks. All right, that's two to one. You'd like two and a half to one. Not terrible. He's rushed for five touchdowns. Got to count those two. So a couple weeks ago, I'm like, it just doesn't look right to me. And then I'm starting to get to a point where the college game is now into the pro game.

It really comes down to the Philadelphia Eagles organization. because the Ravens went all in on Lamar, and Arizona went all in on Kyler. And we know Cincinnati is they drafted another wide receiver. They are all in on Joe Burrow. So I watched Jalen Hertz and I'm like, yeah, it's not much to look at, but why are they so good in the red zone? Because of Jalen Hertz.

He's hard to offend. And the rest of the numbers aren't terrible. So I think there's just sometimes when you have this. kind of cultural change that's happening in football is I am just going to sit and watch it. And even over the last three weeks, I'm like, I don't know. I could argue either way. It may just come down to this. Does he get the right coach?

Does he get the support? Is the owner all in? Is the GM draft players to help him? I mean, it really may come down to that. They went and got a receiver this year. Now, today they traded Zach Ertz away for a corner. Now, the good news is Philadelphia is pretty stocked at tight end and Arizona is clearly going for it. They're going to go for it and get Zach Ertz.

They're not great at tight end. That's not necessarily a negative sign for Jalen Hertz because Philly's got tight ends. That's not the issue. They've upgraded wide receiver. Their bigger issue is the offensive line healthy. It's been hit and missed last three years. But I really don't know watching Jalen Hertz. I watched them and I'm like, uh, everybody was bailing on Lamar Jackson.

The only people now that think Lamar Jackson can't play are dummies. Like I don't want to be a dummy. I'm just going to watch it. I don't have an answer. It could work. It could not. it may depend largely on the support Jalen Hertz gets. All right.

Seth Joyner of the Eagles, former Eagle, will join us a little after one hour from now or about one hour, blazing five next hour as well. Great to have you in on a Friday. So much good sports. What a great night it was last night. I didn't do chicken parm. No? I went and got garlic chicken and turkey chili.

It was a protein fest and just sat there and watched sports all night. It was so much. Garlic chicken and turkey. And I can smell it. You know when you have garlic, I could smell. I love garlic. Oh, so do I. But I sat there and I thought, oh, there's nobody else in this room, thank God.

Have you ever had the garlic fries at Dodgers? Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with garlic. It's like whole chunks of fresh garlic. It's so good, though. Yeah, Dodgers Stadium has really good food, actually. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio.

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in the last three or four years. You could see Brady getting frustrated. There was drama. He's so good this year. It's boring. It's pitch and cash. And Tampa is the opposite of last year. The offense is way ahead of the defense.

The offense has more talent. It's why the buccaneers now are elite. It's because of their offense. They are so deep now that they literally showcase their tight-end O.J. Howard last night. Many suggesting they want to trade him at the deadline and wanted people to seed that he still got it. This pivot for Tampa from a losing franchise, a team with no momentum, a head coach that comes out of retirement to winning a Super Bowl, five and one, every general manager in the league has to look at this and think, let's just make an offer for

Aaron Rogers. That's what I keep thinking here, that Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson, Tom Brady is making old guys moving to new teams and Russell doesn't really classify even Aaron doesn't as an old guy but I keep thinking about Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers these GMs around this league two teams Chargers bucks made an offer for Tom Brady it is now remarkable it is so easy for him

and I don't think I never see Brady as a cocky guy but it is so easy for him him that yesterday he told Hannah Storm, I'm not joking. I could literally play, he said, until I'm 50 or 55 if I want to do. I don't think I will. My physical body won't be the problem. It's just missing too much time with my family. He's like literally they're showcasing a tight end last night on the road against the team that's not terrible Philadelphia, Amy Pilly till 55. This is sometimes people do stuff in your business. You don't even have to work with them, but they do stuff in your business and they make you money without you knowing it.

Like Brady is making so many veteran quarterbacks money right now. It's now embarrassing that only the chargers and the bucks went all in. You're like, what? There's like nine teams in this league that can't get the quarterback right. It's just hard to wrap your brains around. Loserville, USA, Tampa, Florida, couldn't win games. You just insert one great piece. They already had good players.

and they are now winning easily on the road, showcasing tight ends. Tom May played a 50. It's hard to wrap your brain around it. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, let's stick with that game last night.

The Eagles were a little choppy, but they had some momentum going after scoring 15 unanswered points to come back against the bucks last night. But a little under six minutes to go, Eagles defensive end, Janarrow. Avery was called for a taunting penalty. I know it's weird. After going face to face with Leonard Fernette, that call gave Tampa 15 yards in a first down and the bucks wound up clinching 28-22, the win on that drive. But after the game, Nick Seriani took responsibility for his team getting that call. That's first on me.

I got to do a better job of cleaning up all those things. We know that we can't make those self-inflicted wounds. You know, I know that, they know that. We'll continue to harp on that. will continue to work to get it right. But again, that was unacceptable. And that falls on me first. And so I got to do a better job

in getting everybody doing the right things out there and keeping our composure out there. It's the right thing for him to say in that spot. And I'm going to try and remain calm here. But my God, I mean, get rid of this. I did not overreact to this when the rule first came out at the beginning of the season and preseason. I didn't think that it was going to be this bad.

but at the point in which a subjective call, based off of the emotion of a player, that's a dumb call, that's just a bad call. It affected the game. Yeah, that's, I mean, like, we all know, we can all admit why the taunting penalty was created for over the top, spike it in your face, where guys get ugly. Not that you're going to get a malice in the palis thing, but you don't want as kids at the game, you still see kids at NFL games. You don't want this like, this game's got enough regulated violence.

we don't want fist fights. So we get why they're doing it. But there was no moment in the history of football that that right there is taunting. Or a penalty. But also that's the problem with the spirit of the penalty. It is a subjective call by the referee in that moment. And it affected the outcome of the game. Now you can say what you want, that it's Tom Brady and they were going to win anyway or whatever.

But the reality is that's not how history will remember it. We don't know. It affected the outcome. the game. And what's going to happen is that this is going to affect someone's season later in the year when tensions are higher, when the stakes are higher. God forbid, it's a playoff game that a call like this is made based off of a ref in a moment saying, maybe that was a little bit too much. If you look at basketball, baseball, what player we bothered with baseball last night? It's not a bang, bang play at first. It's a subjective call by an umpire at first base, right? It's a subject to call.

The reason the NFL that we don't generally spend a lot of time harping on officials, NBA, it's like every day, umpiring, because subjective calls are harder. So the NFL for most of its life doesn't have a lot of subjective calls. We complain about pass interference. But also we can. This is a subjective call. We can review a lot of calls. So while really all calls are subjective because it is a human watching something and then making a call, this is a, this is a, determination of emotion being just part of the game or being too much.

And you can argue over this. You can't argue over offside. Right. You can't argue over illegal motion. Football overwhelmingly, we argue about pass interference. It's one of the only could go either way calls. Like that's it. And then even sometimes those are very obviously a pass interference.

So the NFL has given us another subjective call, which is a layer and official now has to, how do I feel in the moment? So I understand doing it, but there's the controversy of calls. We saw it in baseball last night. It's not on the 90% of this stuff, if it's written into the rules, we don't have a problem with it. We argue over forcing people, referees moving with the action and make quick calls on subjective stuff. The fewer of those you have in sports, probably the better. And this is about emotion.

So how do you determine if someone is just jumping up excited they made a tackle or they're trying to insoling. site of fight. I solved this already. We already have the solution. If you don't want people to get in a brawl, which is the reason this exists, right? We're not trying to regulate emotion out of the game. We're not trying to make the league less fun. That's what we were told. This is about keeping people from brawling. The punishment for getting into a fight has to be so egregious, similar to the NBA, that no matter what is going on on the court, in the back of your mind, you know you're about to lose this amount of money, you're about to miss this amount of games if you get involved in it. It's an easy solve and that it takes it out of the referee's hands because it's affected the game last night.

A little extra note on the Eagles, they just traded tight-end Zacherts to the Cardinals for a 22, fifth round pick and cornerback Tay Gowan. So Arizona's telling you we're going all in. They're they should be. Yep. We're all, we're going all in. We see vulnerability with the Niners. We see vulnerability with Seattle.

So it's a ramp. I mean, that's what they're doing basically. They see their division now. I see a couple vulnerable teams. we're going to double down, get more production. I think it's a great move by Arizona. Yeah, and the Eagles have been talking about this was coming to an end anyway,

so that's a great move for Arizona. So the bills bounced back in a big way after their week one, lost to Pittsburgh, and they're on a four-game winning streak with two shutouts. They also made a huge impression with a crucial win over the Chiefs on Sunday night. And Drew Breeze thinks Buffalo has proven

they're the team to beat. He said, I think the bills are the best team in football right now, and it's not even close. What they've done defensively, pitched two shutouts in the last four games, They've scored darn near 40 points a game. They've got a little bit of everything. It all starts with a great defense in a good run game,

and they can do that, supplement that. With their big playability, they're just tough to defend. Their O line is their issue. It's kind of middle of the pack, but they drafted three offensive linemen, and this organization last five years with this GM drafts well. So that's their whole. It's not terrible, but they addressed it.

So last year, last couple years they've gone big D-line. They had no pass rush. Now they've gone and addressed the office. offensive line. So my takeaway is this offense could get better. Is the season go? Because old linemen take a while. So I mean, they're just really well run. Again, we talk about this. Good owner, good GM, good coach. You know, you hit on Josh Allen, but upstairs, they got a bunch of smart people. They're very well run. I think it's splitting errors between the bills and Arizona, but the bills have a lot of momentum right now and they are working it. So Eldell has not had a huge impact on the

Brown's offense, at least not what they would have hoped for. and he said he's not worrying too much about how many targets he gets, he's worried about winning a championship. I can't sit there a lot like I don't want the ball. Like I tell you, every time I get up here, they don't pay James Harden for defense. You know what I mean? He's a shooter.

I feel like I'm a shooter. I know that I bring a lot of teaching, a lot of attention to defenses on the other end, and other people are going to be open. And, you know, you just got to live with that. The ultimate goal is to win the championship. And I feel like I'm in a great situation to do that. Well, he's missed 33 total games due to injury in his career, which has been an issue for getting some momentum similar to the Tua conversation. It's hard to get some momentum going, especially with Cleveland.

I don't know that this is really an issue for Cleveland. I think that O'Dell, and we talked about this a lot, I think O'Dell has done a really good job of buying into what Cleveland was doing. I don't think it's ever been a good fit for O'Dell there, not anyone's particular fault. But he's right. He is a shooter. I mean, could you imagine O'Dell with. the chargers? Yeah, I mean, it's funny.

We were sitting there this morning thinking about places he works. And, you know, what team needs one more playmaker? I'd argue Green Bay. Plus, they have a veteran quarterback. He can handle Odell. I'm not sure if he'd want to go there, but you could trade him. You know, a team that feels like, I mean, if the Rams didn't get Deshaun Jackson, I could see the Rams going and get him.

Yeah. Like a team that thinks they're in the Super Bowl window and they're just going to They'll trade a pick because this is the year. Well, like, Arizona doesn't, doesn't need it. They don't need it. Baltimore doesn't anymore. Tampa doesn't. No, Green Bay, Rams don't.

You know, there's not a lot. To be honest, it's nothing against Odell. Most of the good teams haven't over the top components. Right. Kansas City does. Buffalo does. There's a small market. And by the way, Devonte Adams is great.

Could you argue they need just a little more? Because they don't have a number two receiver. You could make an argument. Green Bay is not a terrible place. to be just another guy, because Devonte Adams is getting to a point now. It feels like Aaron that's the only guy he trusts. Well, he could work in Cleveland, but that's just not the offense that they run. Like they want to run the ball. They want to keep it, keep Baker's passes lower, and that's the recipe for winning in Cleveland. So yeah, there's not a whole lot of places

that he can go, but I like, I like his mentality, though. Like, Odell is right. He is a shooter. He's an NBA player in the NFL. He always has been. And unfortunately, the situation in Cleveland is just kind of marginalized what his talent is. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Albert Brear, sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing joins us. Senior reporter, Monday morning quarterback. Let's just, let's start with Odell. So, I mean, here's the thing, Albert. His cap hit next year, both he and Jarvis Landry are big cat hits. They'd keep Jarvis. He's far more productive. He and Baker have some symmetry. They're not going to keep Odell next year. It's fairly obvious if you look at the cap hit. The trade

deadlines coming up. I mean, they would have to entertain calls, right? They don't have a lot of needs on this team, but they do have to get cheaper in some spots because some bills are coming due. I think he's a guy to move. Your thoughts? I just think that they'd be too thin at receiver right now, and you'd have to be bringing some value back, and his value is super low right now compared to where you would see it maybe in March or April. And Colin, I think one thing that a lot of people are missing is just kind of where the finances are across the NFL right now. 21 of the 32 teams, that's about two-thirds of the NFL teams, have less than $6 million left in cap space in 2021. And a lot of those teams, teams like the Buccaneers, teams like

the Packers, are leveraged next year too and having mortgage some of their contracts already. And on top of that, you've got cash budgets, which have been stretched to some degree because of COVID. And so I think it's going to be a quieter trade deadline. And I know the way the Browns operate. They always think about things from a value perspective. Right now, if you trade Odell Beckham, you'd be selling awfully low on the asset. And I just think, you know, you kind of like add that to the fact that they'd be awfully thin without him at receiver. My guess is he's probably not traded now, but I think it'd be in play in the spring. All right, Zachert, Philadelphia's got some depth at tight end. This had been rumored for a while. And so Arizona, you know, my takeaway is Arizona,

see some vulnerability with the Seahawks and the 49ers, and they're like, hey, this is the time to make the move. It's us and the Rams. We're both playing well and pretty healthy. What do you make of the move overall? Yeah, I mean, a couple things. Number one, there's the obvious need now. Max Williams, who had been really the one and only tight end who's produced for Cliff Kingsbury

the last couple of years, he's out for the year. So they had a very clear and obvious need there. It's not a huge position in their offense, but they can use a guy who can be productive. and this is a guy who should be able to come in and hit the ground running. And then the second piece of it to me is sort of where they are as a franchise right now. And that I think both Cliff and Steve Kine, the general manager there, were fighting for their jobs coming into the season. Now, he's off a little bit because of where they are.

But you think about kind of the spot they are organizationally, having gone into the season in that position. And also, after this year, Kyler Murray is eligible for a new contract, which could change the dynamic there completely. So if you're the Cardinals right now, you see this maybe as the end of the window where you have your quarterback on a rookie contract because he's going to need a new contract fairly soon. And so this is the time to continue being aggressive. And so I really like the idea going and getting Zach Kurz. And like you said, I do think that they sense that the NFC West might be there for the taking. Regardless of what anybody thinks of John Gruden, the organization still needs a coach.

They have an interim. I thought Mark Davis sort of hid from the situation. and forced his quarterback and his GM to take all the bullets. But regardless, at some point, this is an NFL franchise with some really good weapons and a very, very talented quarterback that I think would be attractive. Vegas is a great city to live in. Where do you think they, I mean, we know we have an interim coach, but do you think this is, will they go out, I mean, they spent money on Gruden,

will they go out big game hunting when they look for a coach? I think there's an opportunity to here. I mean, like you said, there's a lot going for that team. I mean, I know we've sort of regarded them as a dumpster fire in recent years. They've actually sort of stabilized. From a stadium and revenue standpoint, they're in a stronger position maybe than they've ever been before. And then you look at the roster, some of the young guys who've come along, the receivers,

the offensive line, some of the young players they have up there. And where they've been even from a wins and losses standpoint, seven to nine and eight and eight the last two years is better than they've been. And so I think there's something to offer there for a head coach. And maybe that means they go and do, you know, what the Niners did with Kyle Shanahan, what the Rams did with Shaw McVeigh, what the Chargers did with Brandon Staley, and trying to go and find their own guy. But they could go big game hunting too.

And so I sort of wonder, you know, you look at the Raiders history with diversity, how ugly the situation was for them. If you're the Raiders, do you take a big swing? Do you maybe go and try to get like somebody like Mike Tomlin out of Pittsburgh, who's been going sort of year to year on his contract? Yeah. I wonder if Mark Davis has something like that in him. He went down that road with Gruden.

Obviously, it took him a few years to get John Gruden back to the Raiders. But I wonder if there's some sitting head coach out there. And Mike Tomlin's just the one that pops into my head because he's been in Pittsburgh for 15 years now. But would he be willing to make a run at somebody like Tomlin to kind of rebrand the franchise in Vegas going for? Yeah, that's really, really interesting. Also, Eric B. Enemy, that's an interesting one. You come from somebody in division. You weaken the chiefs, perhaps.

You strengthen yourself. Take away from a rival. So the Tua, he may play this weekend. He's about ready to play. I just saw some video during the break from a jolly old England of Tua in the countryside, completing passes. So, Joy and I have been talking about this is that all of us, you, me, Joy, too. It doesn't matter who it is. Anybody that's got a professional career, he has no career momentum.

He came injured. He's injured again. He got benched. He didn't get voted captain. The kid needs some career momentum or it's going to be over. And it's interesting, Albert. The next six weeks for Tua, Texans, Falcons, Jets, Jags. Am I overstating it saying the next month and a half, the decision will be made?

He needs wins and he needs the look good because there's some weak opponents coming to town. One million percent. I don't think there's any question. I mean, if he can't get it done over the course of the next month and a half, two months, and they find themselves out of the playoff picture, I think there's a better than good chance that they're on the quarterback market, whether that means Deshaun Watson or Aaron Rogers or Russell Wilson, it'll be somebody in 2022.

And I think one of the reasons why, if two of struggles, that means the dolphins don't make the playoffs, right? The dolphins don't make the playoffs. That means Brian Flores, his head coach, and Chris Greer's general manager, are going into year four without having made the playoffs. Are you willing to push all your chips to the middle of the table at that point? Because there's not going to be a year five

if you don't make the playoffs in year four, right? At that point, are you willing to push all your chips into the middle of the table and bet that Tuotunga below can be the guy long term? And I think this goes for a lot of teams in the AFC where you're looking right now and if you're one of these teams that you have a quarterback that you like, but maybe you're not completely sold on,

and you're looking and you see Justin Herbert in L.A. and you see Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City, and you see Lamar Jackson in Baltimore, and Joe Burrow in Cincinnati and Josh Allen and Buffalo. Do you think you can scale that mountain with the quarterback that you have based on those guys

and the fact that those guys will probably be around for the next 10 years? I think that that's sort of what's facing the Dolphins and Gula right now. Yep, no, that's exactly right. You have, Bill Polino has said that when we got Peyton Manning, we drafted, we knew what people were drafting against. They wanted pass

rushers, we had to be good on the O line. You have to be able to look at your personnel and say, what do we need? Ten years going forward. Got to have a plan. Finally, people often think things in the NFL, but they won't say them. And Justin Herbert is putting up these three touchdown, no interception games, one after another, after another. He's on his second coach.

It doesn't matter. And I just wonder behind the scenes, Herbert Mahomes. occasionally the people broach the is he as good as Mahomes? What are you hearing about Herbert behind the scene? Nobody wants to put a name on it. You get crushed for that, but your thoughts on his ascension.

So, I mean, let's start here. I do this quarterback poll every September, and I ask coaches, GM, scouts, assistant coaches across the NFL, who they believe the top five quarterbacks are going to be at the end of the year. So they're projecting forward. In the last two years,

this is a poll of 50, 60, NFL types. Mahomes has been a runaway winner. He was almost unanimous last year, not as strong this year, but close to it. So I think Patrick Mahomes is still where he has been. That said, I mean, I've had, you know, I'm on a couple of these text strings with some executives. And, you know, I've sort of batted that question around. Like, is there a quarterback in the NFL that you would rather have for the next 10 years than Justin Herbert? And I'm telling you, Colin, it's like, well, yeah, probably Patrick, but it's not like you're getting shut down right away. And so I do think that there's some momentum like here with Justin Herbert where other teams

are looking at it and saying, you know, if you had to have somebody for the next 10 years, maybe this is the guy. And you have to see more, but maybe he does wind up being that guy. And I think the highest compliment any of these guys can get, right? Teams right now are going back and looking at what did we miss on Justin Herbert. That's what they've done with Tom Brady for 20 years. Already, okay? Two years into the league, teams are already going back with their scouts and looking,

we didn't have a great grade on Justin Herbert. So what exactly did we miss here? What part of the equation did we overvalue? What part of the equation did we undervalue? It's a really interesting dynamic, especially when you consider the guy was the sixth overall pick. It's not like he was a fifth or sixth round pick. Yeah.

Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback. Great. Seeing you, my man. Have a great weekend. All right. Thanks, Colin. Yeah, I mean, I think that's, you know, you have to be able to self-scout and figure out why didn't we have a very high grade on him. But I would say this with quarterback too.

It's really hard. It's not like a speed position or a jump position or a catch position. Some of it is just like, you know, cognitive. Do you like to get hit? What happens if you have a bad coordinator? You know, I still contend Josh Allen's a great example. In fact, I would use Lamar and Josh Allen because they look like superstars, right? Good God, they got really good coordinators.

I mean, Greg Roman and Brian Dable really deserve a lot of credit. So it's not that they wouldn't have succeeded, but it's like everything else in life. Nobody lives in an island. I've had great luck, Joy and I. I mean, there's just, you know, you'd be fine. Josh and Lamar would have some success, but it's like the rest of life. Your support system ends up being a really big component, and we don't want to talk about that too much. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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And Lamar Jackson, is it going to work? Oh, yeah, I guess it's totally different and can work. You don't know what you know. And Brandon Staley, who faces Lamar this week, talked about him. You guys are all seeing what I'm seeing is that you're seeing a player that's never played in the NFL. There have been some guys similar, but there hasn't been anybody like Lamar Jackson. He's truly one of a kind. He's truly a rare player, rare competitor, and all you got to do is go back all the way back to high school, Louisville, you name it.

Everywhere he goes, you know, he's doing something, you know, amazing right before your eyes. And since he's become the quarterback of that team, you know, you've seen what's happened. And I think the thing that's unique about Lamar is that there's danger on every snap. Yeah, you know, it's like people that doubt Lamar now are just stubborn. and you'll find in life, I look at sometimes people that doubt Lamar and if you go to their Twitter feed, they're stubborn on politics,

they're stubborn on everything. They're stubborn on sports. Stubborn people are not stubborn on one isolated story. They're stubborn on everything. You're a dummy now. He's got 42 starts. It's legitimate.

Like it used to be, you had to give a guy three years, 16 games, three years, 48 starts, but now these kids, you don't get 48 starts. You need about 30.

You need about a year and a half to two years because they all come in with far more high school and college snaps and quarterback coaches. We got 42 starts. Folks, he's got 103 passer rating. He completes 65% of his throws and has three touchdowns to a pick. We got enough. He's 34 and 8 as a starter. The question now, and by the way, can he play from behind? It was a legitimate question.

It's the kind of question a general manager asks. Oh, that's been solved too. But it was a legitimate question. Running quarterbacks often play downhill with a lead. We said this about Janus. Remember, we talked about Janus, bad free throw shooter. He plays downhill. Can Janus come from behind and win?

Can he hit free throws late? He did him on the championship. You don't know to you know. But the idea that, well, can Lamar get to a Super Bowl? Don't be a dummy. Jared Goff and Jimmy Garoppel got there. That's just the dumb argument now. Now, will he?

That's a different argument. can he is one argument will he is a different argument dan merino got to one as a rookie never got back erin rogers been to two with a well-run franchise uh Peyton manning took him nine years so don't don't confuse and this this is so obvious so I feel stupid saying this because it's so obvious but there's a lot of people that can't separate these two will he and canny You may have the brains that you could be a doctor, but you may choose not to be a doctor. You know, can he get to a Super Bowl? Of course he can get to a Super Bowl.

Of course. But he just so happens now to have Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrell. The wall being built up. You know, Brady figured this out, I think, early and said, get me out of the AFC. I don't want any part of this. I don't know if he will get there. But don't be a dummy. Like the argument, it's over.

I mean, first of all, the kid has had two full years of playing. But an MVP and won and won a playoff game in the next. He can't even rent a car. He's 24. So the two full years I've had with him, best player in the league, and won a playoff game. You tell me he can't win two or three playoff games. Really? This is impossible.

Stop. Willie Canney. We know the answer to one. Yes, of course he can. And that's why we said this week he's lightning. It's unpredictable. There's nothing like it. There's just nothing like Lamar in the market.

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