The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - End of an era in the NFL and college football

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

Colin discusses the legacy of Bill Belichick as the Patriots have decided to part ways with the legendary head coach after 24 years and 6 Super Bowls He points out what made Nick Saban special and resulted in his 7 College Football National Championships   Guest: Joel KlattSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for Megan as part of your day. Pete Carroll, let go in Seattle. End of yesterday. Wasn't long after Nick Sabin said, I'm going to leave on my terms. Bill Belichick, its official, is gone in New England.

So, you know, it's customary that we replace about seven to eight coaches annually in the NFL. The drip, drip, drip, drips, continues. There's a lot of talk out there about a mystery team for Bill Belichick. But, you know, you're seeing the end of the greatest college football coach of all time and the greatest NFL coach of all time, friends, you know, within a day of each other, it ends. Yeah, wild stuff and incredible. say good for content, Colin. I'm very excited for today.

So the NFL is so much different that even 10 years ago, you can gamble on games now in most states. The rules, reward offense, wide receivers now are much more valuable than, say, a running back. That wasn't even the case 10 years ago, but things change. And my wife always has a term, honey, just stay current. Just stay current. You can be a hotel, a restaurant, menu or a professional coach.

Stay current. The coaches that did in the NBA titles. Those that pushed back on the three-point shot, Popovich. A regression of wins. Renovation, tweaking, adapting. Belichick wasn't really built for a lot of changes. Let's be honest, he's an NFL historian. Historians tend to seek the rear-view mirror for answers.

he looked backwards a lot, but Tom Brady was the protective shield. Brady was such a brilliant player and a brilliant mind offensively that Tom took care of that side of the ball, and Bill just worried about culture, details, and defense. Whenever you'd push back on Belichick, who was no longer the coach of New England, as of this morning, he would always say, well, our results have been pretty good. They had been pretty good.

Belichick not only lost his way, I think most of it was because he no longer followed his rules and the Patriot way. No more sacrifice, no more adjustments, no more all about winning. All of it took second place to whatever made Bill comfortable. And increasingly in the last seven to eight years, what made him comfortable and it frustrated Brady until the very end was adding his kids to the staff, hiring familiar fired retreads. Drafting players, he wanted to coach. Stockpiling picks and not taking any big swings. Simply put, Bill got lost in his own sauce.

Bill was into Bill and whatever made him comfortable. He didn't stay current. You can go back to 2016. I have been on this with Ryan Rosillo, my buddy. We would go out and have beers seven years ago and talk about this. The league was transitioning to speed, more perimeter-based speed and players. Dual-threat quarterbacks get young, get fast, get multiple. New England hasn't drafted receivers or tight-ins or offensive speed in a decade worth of you know what.

But they collect picks. Last year's draft symbolized the issues. Slowest offense in the league drafted three interior o' linemen and two kickers. They are now embarrassingly slow, no pro bowlers, offensively tone deaf, out of touch, and inept. But the Kraft family, Robert and Stephen, deserve some blame, too. They gave Kraft too much power. I've seen athletic directors do it to coaches. Being an NFL head coach is a 24-7 job.

Being an NFL GM, similarly an exhausting, relentless occupation. Bill basically was both. You can't do both well. Bill's drafting unraveled his coaching. And for anybody in any field, it really comes down to this. Stay current. Because this is how it almost always ends for the old successful baseball manager, or the legendary college basketball coach, or even Bill Belichick.

You are shown the door not on your terms. Bill may have separated due to Tom Brady in the height of his career. but it's ending in a very familiar fashion for those that don't stay on top of things. He's shown the door. This morning, Belichick and Kraft are just issuing quick statements. They will not answer any questions. To the end, clunky, old school, and protective. That is not the way to age well.

What is? Nick Sabin, a different person. personality. Actually in person? Kind of funny. He's leaving on his terms. Ended up in a college football playoff. The entire season symbolized Sabin. They weren't very good early, had to replace the quarterback, but by the end of the year, great teaching, mentorship. Alabama was a playaway from beating Michigan. He still recruits at the very highest level. His energy is through the roof, and he has pivoted beautifully over the last decade from a defensive guru, a Svengali. Bama's now quarterback and wide receiver, you.

He's always been willing to adapt. That's what he was willing to do. He didn't have all the answers. He questioned himself. He acknowledged blind spots. And Saban has another quality that I really like. And he's not perfect. But we live in a world now where everybody loves to jump on the avalan.

You see it on social media all the time. Somebody, you know, steps in it, puts their foot in it, says the wrong thing, does the wrong thing. Here comes the avalanche to pile on people. And then there's guys like Sabin who actually grab a shovel and dig people out. Lane Kiffin was a punchline. Saban gave him a rope. Let me help you out. Sark, personal demons.

Spirreling. career over, Savin grabbed his shovel, helped him up. Saban did that on more than one occasion. Willing to be uncomfortable, willing to be criticized, willing to take some shots. I like that about him. We don't have enough people like that. The other thing I like about Saving, and I'm not saying you can't be proud of your resume, right? Like I'm not saying that.

Tradition can be fun. I like the old Yankee Stadium and the new Yankee Stadium. It's okay to like both. I like the Rose Bowl, too, more than new stadiums. But I never felt like Saban was clinging to the past or romanticizing it. If you went up to Nick Saban and looked in his office and said, man, look at that, look at that, look at that, you know what he'd probably say? Not going to help me tomorrow. I wouldn't look.

My wife often says, you can look. Don't stare. Sabin never stared. at his success. He glanced at it, was proud of it, with a legendary work ethic. He wasn't perfect. He was impatient. He acknowledged he didn't like working with mediocre people, and, you know, there's a lot of them in a lot of fields. But I don't think there's any coincidence that in a 24-hour period, one legendary coach was shown the door, the other left on his terms. This is a story about how to age in the same industry.

Willing to look yourself in the mirror, don't stare at your success. Insular is never a good way to age. Bill Belichick got too caught up on being right and confirming right. And Sabin was about getting it right. That's why he ends on his terms. We'll pivot to a broadcasting company I used to work at. We'll make eight figures, car dealership, happily married, lots of smiles, and personally, a fun guy to hang with. I'm not anti-Belichick, and I'm not just pro-Sabin.

There's a lot of similarities. Both are workers. Both are smart. Both are grinders. Probably is a lot easier to win in college than it is in pro football, right? Impulsive owners. You only get one first-round pick a year. year. Saban gets 25 every year. He can handpick. But I watched the two guys age and I was always

taken back by how Sabin in his 70s stayed incredibly current, felt young, vibrant, dynamic. When he got to Bama, it was a defensive culture built by him. He leaves, it's quarterbacks, it's wide receivers, it's innovation, and I think that's cool. We don't know who's going to get the Alabama job. Dan landing at Oregon has southern connections, and the South can be pretty provincial. It's pretty much an us and them mentality. Kalin DeBore, 3-0 against Lannning, not the recruiter. In my opinion, the better coach is who I would pick, but he's an outsider. Dan Lannning is an insider. Dan Lannin just announced moments ago, he's staying at Oregon. So that's interesting because, first of all, Oregon's a great job. Lannin is high

compensated. I don't think my opinion was, DeBoer's the better coach. I think Kalin DeBoer, if Harbaugh left, he would be their first pick at Michigan. If Ryan Day was let go, shouldn't be. Kalin DeBoer would be their first pick. Washington's boosters are going to have to pay him $9 to $10 million to stay. He's worth it. Been to that stadium 30 times. It's packed in a revenue machine.

But, so we'll keep you updated on that. A lot of rumors last night on the internet about Dan Lannning. I was told by two sources yesterday that Greg Byrne, a very smart athletic director for Bama, sharp and respected, has had his eye on Kalin DeBore for months. Sark and Dabo Sweeney also need to be considered. I would be shocked if Sark took the job. Texas, Austin, Momentum, great place. to be. Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft this morning, each had a statement, they would not answer questions, and here was Bill. Robert and I, after a series of discussions, have mutually agreed

to part ways. And for me, this is a day of, you know, gratitude and celebration. Start with Robert and his family. It's great. So much thanks for the opportunity to be that. coach year for 24 years. It's an amazing opportunity. We received tremendous support. We had a vision of building a winner, building a championship football team here. And that succeeded my wildest dreams and expectations, the amount of success that we were able to achieve together through a lot of hard work and contributions of so many people. So I'm very proud of that and I always have those great memories. with those with me the rest of my life.

That's the greatest professional football coach of all time. No more hoodie. Bill cleaned up. He looked very astute. He looked very professional. He looked very powerful for our radio audience. I would suspect he would coach again. I think Harbaugh is the best coach on the market. Mike Vrable, to me, is way up there.

I do worry about Belichick, the offense. A need to have power over personnel. I would not grant that. got 10 years of bad drafts. I would not grant that. Again, I think head coach and GM are hard jobs singularly, individually. I don't think anybody on the planet can do both well. I just don't think it's possible. So, and I've seen it happen. I saw it unravel. Mike Holmgren years ago a little bit in Seattle. Pete Carroll years ago had a little bit too much power. Then they gave it back to John Snyder, and their drafts got much, much better over the last three years and a bit of a power vacuum.

So I might my I would suspect Saban's going to broadcasting. Pete Carroll wants a gig again. Don't know if he'll get it. Belichick wants a gig again. He will get it. The question is how much power will he have? So it's a, what a day. And what this show today is going to be incredibly fluid.

With that sound bite on Bill, you know, that thing happened four minutes ago. Didn't it look to you like, like you said, he's not. not in his hoodie. He's not gruff. No, no, no. Tie. I don't know if that was a suit or sport jacket, but he was dressed. I don't know if to impress perhaps other organizations that I'm not done.

But you look for kind of small tells. He didn't look upset, did he? No, I think, Bill, if you looked at Pete Carroll yesterday at the press conference, Pete Carroll was telling every GM in the league, high energy, very grateful, don't have a lot of baggage,

should have won more, it's on me. Pete was selling Pete. I'm going to be 73 in September. I'm not an age thing. I feel great. Belichick there, that is as good as he has looked in 10 years. He is cleaned up. He is sending the message. Hey, grateful. I'm a guy that builds foundational football operations. Grateful, good energy. By the way, never mumbled. Clear. He didn't mumble at all. Should we get off? Bill mumbles professionally. That is as clear as he's spoken, as good as he's looked, chest out, beautiful suit. Bill was sending messages.

I'm ready to run another football operation. Early guess as to where he goes. Put me down for Washington. I think Washington would take Harbaugh first. I think Washington is number one. For Belichick? Yes, for Belichick. I think Atlanta will get consideration.

There is a mystery team out there. Oh, always. Always the mystery team, yes. I will just say, if Bill isn't interested in a complete rebuild and the Eagles lose Monday. That's your mystery team in my opinion. I forgot.

What if the Cowboys lose to the Packers? He's not going there. He's not going there. He's had a few beers in his life with Bill Parcells, a few conversations. He's not going to Jerry. If the Eagles lose Monday, I do not think they will. It's my favorite bet of the weekend. I like Philadelphia.

I think they'll win. If they lost and they have literally regressed off a cliff for six weeks. And Siriani looks over his head. It is not a rebuild. Where is Bill's strongest in the draft? Secondary. That's where Bill's great.

He's a great defensive coach, and he is the best secondary coach with Saban ever. Where is Philadelphia struggling in the back end of their defense? They've got their quarterback, they've got weapons, they've got an old line, they got great tight ends. And Howie Roseman's, one of the sharpest GMs in the world. Okay, he's really sharp. Where they're weak is the back end of the defense. Bill is linebackers, corner safeties. Nobody better in pro football history than Bill Belichick. And that is

absolutely their weakness as a franchise. And he fits Philadelphia in the ethos of that city, tough guy, blue collar, all about football, none of the outside stuff. That's not your worst prediction ever. I'll just give you that. Nick Wright came up with it. I'm just gravy training it. Oh, that was Nick's idea. I thought it was a very good idea. Yeah. We can't, we can't, we can Give credit. It's not better than Dallas, but I got that. Had a great parley for you this weekend, thanks to Draft King Sportsbook. Download the app real quick.

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surprising to a lot of people. I was surprised, not shocked because I think the Seahawks underachieved this year. I think they have an excellent roster. They're the classic Tampa Bay Buccaneers. When Brady got there, you're like, yeah, they need a right tackling a quarterback. This is a good roster. I feel like Seattle needs a quarterback.

Again, this is a good roster. Like, it's a championship roster. They didn't deliver. So Pete, he kept changing assistance. He kept changing coordinators. He changed quarterbacks. He took swings. He wasn't stuck in his ways. Pete took swings. They just didn't work.

And as a defensive coach, what do I always say? You've got to get your side of the ball right. Criticize Lincoln Riley. The offense has led the nation the last two years at USC. He gets his side of the ball right. The Seahawks' rush defense and total defense the last two years last in the league. They haven't had a top 10 defense since 2016, and they've drafted it well. And Pete's made changes.

He's tried to shake things up. He's taking swings. He brings great energy. He is not a stuck in his ways guy. But I will say this about defensive coaches. They do not seem, and Pete's guilty of this, to understand the urgency of quarterback. Andy Reed made the playoffs with Alex Smith. Alex Smith is good.

He moved on. Sean McVeigh made the Super Bowl with golf. He moved on. He upgraded. Shanahan made the Super Bowl with Garoppolo. He wanted more. Yet Mike Tomlin's, doubling down on Kenny Pickett.

And Ron Revere is telling you that we can win with Sam Howe. And I thought there was a stubbornness with Pete and Gino Smith and Drew Locke. Come on. Drew Locke? Gino. Gino was a bust his first time around. There is something about defensive coaches and offensive coaches. Defensive coaches are very much into controlling things, controlling the clock,

controlling the quarterback, controlling... You can't worry about turnovers. It can't be the most important thing. Josh Allen is a turnover machine. Baltimore and Buffalo are favored to get to the AFC championship. He's won a lot of games. Both Mannings turn it over a lot. Favre turn it over a lot.

By the way, when Matt Stafford and Joe Burrow met in the Super Bowl, Stafford tied for the NFL lead in picks. Burrow was sixth. Best player in the league last year was Patrick Mahom, seventh in interceptions. You can't sit around all day seeking control. Defensive coaches want control. Offensive coaches are about innovation and creativity.

Sean McVeigh preferred a higher risk, higher reward quarterback, Matt Stafford over Gough. He wanted to upgrade to a guide that was known for throwing some picks. Could be reckless. Josh Allen can be reckless. Brady threw picks. Both Manning's. Andrew Luck, bad roster, AFC championship, threw a ton of them.

Defense is a lot about, don't do this. Offensive coaches see the world from, let's try this, and that currently is the NFL. Let's try this. John Harbaugh, defensive coach, has embraced a whole new offense with Lamar Jackson. That's why he has the best team probably in the NFL. Let's try this. Lamar Jackson, let's try it.

Let's just help him. Let's double down on him. Let's try it. An initially brilliant but flawed player in Lamar Jackson should now be the MVP. So I don't worry about Pete's age entirely. It's something. But they didn't do anything right in Seattle

despite changes. The defense was terrible. And I think Pete, Ron Rivera, you're seeing a lot of these defensive coaches. Mike Tomlin, they really get caught up control this and don't do this and innovation, creativity, take some swings. Pete wasn't stubborn. I just wonder if he sees football as the culture shifts below his feet. I just wonder if that's the way you can win. If you think Gino's going to hoist a trophy, I couldn't hire you as a coach.

I mean, go look at the playoffs. It's offensive coaches and star quarterbacks. Almost no exceptions. Here was Pete yesterday. Since our last game, I had a couple of chances to talk. And first I shared my feelings about our team and about the organization and representing the 12s and my intentions of staying with the Hawks, man. And that was true to the bone. And I want to make sure that that's clear as things have shifted so quickly in most people's perspective.

It's been an honor and a thrill to be part of this program. He wanted to still coach. He said he wanted to coach. He thought he was coaching. And they showed him the exit. More on Belichick. More on all these hires. Joel Clack, Greg Kosell, both here today.

J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Busy, busy day. We got some more stuff here shortly. But first, let's start with Robert Kraft and Belichick, The parting of ways after 24 season, six Super Bowls.

They're looking for a replacement, obviously, for Belichick, which is going to be tough. Linebackers coach Gerard Mayo, I saw he's minus 700 at one sportsbook. These are super low limits. Can't get down any real money, so I don't know if that's Intel or just guessing. But Mayo is the favorite. Here's Robert Kraft in speaking with the media shortly a short time ago. We met and mutually agreed to part ways. amicably. And like a good marriage, a successful head coach owner relationship requires a

lot of hard work. And I'm very proud that our partnership lasted for 24 years. I don't think in the NFL there's been any other partnership that lasted longer and has been as productive as ours. Bill has taught me a lot over those years, and we had high expectations for what we could achieve together. I think we were the only ones who had those expectations, and I think it's, I think it's safe to say we exceeded them. Thanks to you. Yeah, I mean, they're being very classy, and nothing lasts forever. Trees don't grow to the sky. Vallecheck will coach again. How certain? Over 50% chance? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Bill will, I think he'll coach you.

He is 72? He is. There's no question. There's, listen, there's seven or eight organizations every year. I mean, ask yourself this. How many well-run organizations in the NFL are there? Eight? And I'm eight.

I mean, Philadelphia is well-run. Rams are well-run. I mean, I think Green Bay's been well-run. Baltimore is well-run. Dallas is mostly well-run. There's a far more that are poorly run or run at a suboptimal level. So Bill does bring some, you know, some knowledge, relevance. Listen, just say this.

There are things Bill does very well. He hasn't stayed particularly current, but there are things he does well. If he joined an organization that already had offensive skill people, It's why Atlanta is getting mentioned a lot. Atlanta's got the offense right. They don't have the defense right. There are, I don't see him as an Atlanta Falcon coach. Imagine Bill Belichick sitting at his table saying, yeah, I think I'm going to move to Atlanta

and coach the Falcons. I don't see it either. It just doesn't straight. Now, maybe it happens, but it just sounds weird. It doesn't feel like a cultural fit. Is he going to go south? I don't know, man. It doesn't, I'm not buying the Falcon stuff.

Let's move on back to Pete Carroll. Now, yesterday, Mark Sanchez sat here and talked, and you guys seem to be kind of okay with the idea of Pete Carroll could go to the Chargers. Interview. Interview. Okay. Someone pointed out to me yesterday, look at the ages of the quarterbacks.

I'm sorry, of the coaches in the Chargers Division. It's like, you know, Andy Reid's kind of getting up there in age, Sean Payton's second. Maybe there's a way he fits there, but I don't know. It just strikes me as a little bit odd that he wouldn't. The Chargers could be a landing spot. I had dinner with a member of the Chargers organization last night. And, you know, I have to. lot of questions. I think Pete is very

respected in Los Angeles and he is a very relevant figure. I can't tell you how many times his names come up among USC people and I always say college football is a young man's game man. This transfer portal, you have no vacation anymore in college football. So Pete's not a college football guy probably anymore.

But I do think he went to the podium yesterday and he had great energy. Energy is not the issue with Pete. I think it's incredibly redeemable, his spirit and energy. I just do wonder if he sees the world a little bit like many of these defensive coaches being let go, that it's all about control and it's not the world we live it anymore.

It's go find a playmaker, live with some turnovers, make plays happen, ingenuity, creativity offensively. The league is telling you, we're moving to offense. Why? Because since they signed that, they signed that billion dollar check for CTE, they've made the game safer. And that means less tackling, less hitting, more offense. So the sport, for a multitude of reasons, that the primary one, is going to be safer and more offensively driven. There is a reason, I think it's 11 or 12 of the 14 playoff coaches now, are offensive coaches. Let me ask you this.

It just dawned upon me hearing you use the word safe. So let's say Pete Carroll's like, I'm not done. I've got the energy. I'm still, I'm a young 70. What if Carolina and David Tepper, hey, you know what? You need an, like a cultured builder. You can get an older guy like Pete Carroll. he would take another paycheck. Tepra gets a respected coach in an organization that's super down.

Hey man, you work with an undersized quarterback in Seattle and Russell Wilson see what you can do with Bryce Young. I don't think Pete Carroll is the worst idea for Carolina. You know, prime example, Pete and Belichick can't just take a year off at their age. So they have to seize an opportunity. And they're not like the number one target. Pete Carroll's not number one. I don't know. I don't think Tennessee's. I think Carolinas, a lot of the top candidates are going to say no to Carolina. and because, you know, Pete brings a certain gravitas with the Super Bowls and the National Championship to Carolina.

But you think the owner might respect that a little more than Frank Reich and the kid from college. But here's the thing. If you're Pete Carroll, got to ask yourself. He's got a place in Hawaii, place in Seattle. He's very much a West Coast guy. I know. And I'm not saying he wouldn't move. But the Seahawks are a very, very well-run organization. They draft well. They develop well. the fans. It is a, it's one of those eight to nine well-run organizations. You want to go to the tire fire of the league? Hey, you know what a well-run organization is? Bring it to our organization. We're desperate for it. Why not? Let's move on a final story. Nick Sabin and his retirement.

What a 28-year run as a college football head coach. I saw six titles in 17 years with Alabama, and then he won one also with LSU. Obviously, it's a coveted job. I have seen Steve Sarkesian's name. You shot that down, but we'd be scoff? I think Sark is going to stay at Texas. Quinn Ewers, by the way, let me interrupt. Coom viewers just put on social media. I'm staying with like a little video. I would not take the Bama job.

Yeah, I don't think. Texas is a top five job, top three job in college football. You're going to live state school of Texas. Austin, Texas, maybe the best college town in America. He brings back a ton of players. By the way, he's creating his own legacy at Texas. Why follow Nick? And he's got Archmanning on deck.

Lane Kiffin is an interesting one. I personally don't know that I see it. I think people are sleeping on Davo a little bit. Davo Sweeney at Clemson. This is a guy who walked on at Alabama, earned a scholarship. He's got a great story from when he got to Alabama. I know people are tuned out on him. In the athletic director world in college sports,

I had two sources yesterday say, Kaelin DeBore is the one they've been monitoring for months. But many believe Kalin will stay at Washington and he would go to an Ohio state or Michigan potentially. that's where he's more comfortable. I've been told that if Kaelin DeBore is offered Bama, he would take it. He's losing a lot at Washington, Pennicks, the receivers. Well, the difference is, though, does Kailen Dabor want to go into that spin cycle of Southern intensity?

He's not known as a great recruiter. He is a brilliant coach. So he could take Sabin's players, and they would win instantly. But Lannning is the one people in the second. I mean, there's all these private jet stuff. It's a lot of nonsense. He's got a $20 million buyout. A huge buyout.

Really doesn't have, what's his resume? I think we need to cross him. Given the video he put out this morning that you know, Oregon, he's staying, landing's out. It becomes interesting. Like, the other question, Kailen DeBore, do you want to follow Nick Sabin in Alabama? A little bit of pressure instantly, like right out of the gate, like, eight games in. Do we have the right guy for the, you know? I don't know.

Jay Mack, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. You know, the Belichick to the Falcons thing, I will say this, is that in my life, mediocre businesses and poor businesses, I feel very lucky to work at Fox. We've got good management. We've got a lot of smart people. But mediocre businesses always just think, hey, if we just hire this one coach, it'll solve everything.

You know, that's very much the New York Knicks. We'll just give Phil Jackson all the power. solve everything. That's very the Jets. Let's just get Aaron Rogers here. That's the Mets. That's not what wins in pro sports. Consistent excellence is drafting and developing in shrewd free agent moves. You look at the Miami Heat, the Atlanta Braves, the Warriors for years. I live in Los Angeles. How those teams are run. It's drafting. It's developing. It's patience. It's the right coach. Not one person is winning in Los Angeles. It's Stafford. It's McVe. It's less need.

It's Stan Cronky. It's a lot of people contributing. It's Aaron Donald, who's a leader, a quiet leader. So the Atlanta Falcons, last 10 years, have been over 500 two times. I can see them saying, hey, Belichick will solve all our problems. That is so on brand. I mean, the Falcons in one of the weaker divisions in the last 20 years in the NFL, they're rarely over 500. So in my life, mediocre businesses overreach, they overcorrect.

It's like there's a steering wheel, and they're lurching it to one side and lurching it to the other, and let's hire the Messiah, and he'll solve everything. The Warriors had Bob Myers, Joe Lacob, Steve Kerr, Steph Curry, Draymond Green. They had leaders at all these different levels. They drafted. They developed. They'd tweet. So I could see Belichick in the Atlanta eyes.

He'll solve it for us. I don't think that's the answer. I think Atlanta, if you go to Atlanta, look at the Braves. That's how they run an organization. Most of their best players are drafted and developed by the Braves. They're not looking outside for answers. The Braves create their own answers by drafting patients, developing, excellent managerial acumen, great minor league system. You can look at the Dodgers and say, oh, they've just got a bunch of money.

long before they were spending huge money, their R&D was unbelievable. Everybody they brought up work from the minor leagues. So desperate organizations and businesses think it's one Messiah that solves stuff. I don't trust Atlanta at all. Joel Clatt joins us next. Live in L.A., it's The Herd.

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I don't think anything's going to happen with Pete in the next two to three days. Belichick, I do believe, after the weekend, Tuesday or Wednesday, the Belichick stuff could be announced. I've said it. Nick Wright suggested it. Philadelphia loses Monday. I think Belichick's name would get very intense in Philly. Let's go to Joel Klapp in his podcast studio, wherever you listen to podcast,

the Joel Klapp show. So the first name last night that came up, and we both know him and we both like him, is Sark to replace Sabin. He's been there before. He understands the intensity. I just, I don't buy it. I think Texas has a better NIL. What did you make of the suggestion Sark-de-Bama?

Did you buy it? Well, he's the name that you have to call first. So whether he's going to take it or not, that's the name that you have to start with. And it's because he has every single box that they want to check off. He is a very strong recruiter. He's got a long history of being a head coach. And frankly, and people don't want to admit this, he was successful at every place, even through the disaster that was his time at USC.

He's got a history at Alabama. And then here's a note that I don't think many people realize about Steve Sarkesian a few years ago. He was in line and offered a job that he wanted to take. And he went to tell Coach Sabein that that was his intention. And Coach Saven said, no, that's not what you're going to do. You're going to be the next coach here. Nick Saven, I believe, had every intention to go the Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer route with Alabama and Steve Sarkis. That had worked so well at Oklahoma and clearly had been working at Ohio State, and he wanted to keep Sark around.

Now, it just so happened that Texas opened up, and that's one of those jobs that everybody acknowledges. Yes, go ahead and go do that there. Yeah. So now that he's at Texas, he doesn't make a lot of sense to go back to Alabama because he's his own man at Texas. Yeah. He has built this in his own image. He's not in the shadow or footsteps of anybody else. this is Sark's program. If you go to Alabama, you will be in Nick Saban's shadow. There's

no offense or boss about it. He's the greatest college football coach of all time. So for that reason, even though they have to start with Sark and they like him and clearly Nick liked him enough that wanted, you know, he wanted to promote him from within a couple of years ago, I don't think Sark is wanting that job. By the way, so I agree with you. Dan Lannning has said no. I didn't think Dan was quite ready for it. He is O. against Kalin-Dibor in the Northwest, and he had better players and a better collective than Kalin-Dibor, who I think's the best coach,

but he's not from the South. Your thoughts on that. So as Washington and Oregon now go into the Big Ten, I think Kalan-Dibor is better fit at Washington or eventually a Michigan or Ohio State. But I have been told Kalin-de-Bore changed agents to Jimmy Sexton. That's an SEC guy.

What is the latest you hear or think about that situation? Well, I'll tell you what I know and what I think. So let me start with what I think. My belief was that this needed to work very quickly. I was told that this was going to happen within 72 hours, regardless of name, that they wanted to move quickly so they could solidify the locker room. And the longer this goes, and the more knows that you hear from other... Let me not get on a tangent. They want to move quickly.

So for me, the list was three names. You start with Sark. It's immediate. You know them. You can offer him the job. If he says no, which I assume that he has, then you move to Dan Lannning. Dan Lannning has now said no. And then the third name on that list is Kaylin DeBore.

And the reason is because the other names that would be prominent on that list, names like a Dabo Sweeney or a Ryan Day or a Lincoln Riley or a Kirby Smart, like they don't make a lot of sense for one reason or another. But Kalin DeBore does. He's 104 and 12 is a head. coach. Crazy. He's excellent. It's wild how successful he has been. And you're exactly right. He did more with a lesser roster than even Lending did at Oregon. So this guy is a guy that I think has been looking quietly. One of the reasons I think that he has been looking is not anything negative

about Washington other than he's not working right now for the person that hired him. Jen Cohen was the athletic director that hired him at Washington. She's now the athletic director. at USC. And so for Kalyn DeBoer, who hires Jimmy Sexton, now he can be really in the middle of all the SEC conversation. And then we get to Sexton, and this is what I do know. Jimmy Sexton is going to control this search, every bit of it, because he controls every chess piece on the board. He represents Steve Sarkesian. He represents Dan Lanning. He represents Kalin DeBore. He represents Mike Norvell at Florida State, Davos Sweeney, at Clemson, James Franklin at Penn State.

So he will try to slow play this as long as Alabama will allow him so that he can get every one of his clients the raise that they feel like they deserve. So he's going to try to play it slow. Alabama's going to try to go quickly. In my estimation, the most logical candidate in terms of the expediency of the way that they want to operate is Kailen Daboor. I'm actually going to be pretty surprised if Kailen Daboor is not the the next coach at Alabama. All right, Joel Clatt, very, very good insight, very well connected.

And of all the personalities at Fox, he has the coolest home studio. I'm just, I'm living on peanut brittle and hockey scores up here. This guy's got a studio. Look at him. Crushed it. Wherever you get college football podcast, listen to his. It's the best college football podcast out there. Joel, I appreciate you stopping by for us.

Absolutely, bud. See you. Yeah. So he's very, very well connected. That's what I was told last night by two very good sources is that Kalin DeBore is somebody that Alabama has been staring down for six to eight weeks. Doesn't mean he'll get it, but they are very aware. And I'm here to tell you, I think he's the best young coach in college football. He is a rock star as a coach.

Now, Washington has good players. They don't have Oregon talent, Bama talent, Clemson, Ohio State. They don't. They don't. They don't. It's geographically isolated. They don't have a Phil Knight. They've got very good players.

They don't have USC talent, I would argue. Certainly not Oregon. So we'll see. There's a lot of stuff going on. I woke up this morning and felt like, you know what? Uh-oh. So it was a boozy. What's today?

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