The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Flores, Giants, Cowboys

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

Joy Taylor filling in for ColinThe Giants response to the Brian Flores lawsuitWe need to lower expectations for the CowboysGuest: Jay Glazer Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sports Radio. Welcome to the herd. I am Joy Taylor. Colin is out today. He is getting his ski on in Utah right now alongside the beautiful and talented Alex Curry, my dear friend. Thank you for joining me today on this beautiful Friday. It is such a happy Friday.

I think these are my favorite days when we get to work together now. I love working with you, Alex. You're very blingy today. Am I? Yeah, that's very sparkly over there. We have a fun show today. Jay Glazer, Josina Anderson, Mark Sanchez. will be here in studio.

I'm going to make him sing for us. I don't know if you guys know this. He said, oh, yes. He was on the mass singer, yes. Yeah, he's a very talented singer. I haven't told him that yet, but we are going to make him sing for us. We have a lot to get to today. It's a very, it's been a very wild week around the NFL.

A lot of stories, a lot of coaching hirings. We'll get into all of that. Talk a little about the Lakers, a little bit about Kyrie. Thanks for joining us today wherever you are listening. Appreciate you hanging out with us. Well, the big story this week was Brian Flores and the lawsuit against the Dolphins, also involving the Broncos and the New York Giants. And now everyone is in cleanup mode. Everyone is putting out these sweeping statements, irresponsible, deflamatory, outrageous, not of our character, all these very serious and well-thought-out, lawyered up statements that everyone is putting out.

strong and aggressive statements. And Stephen Ross, obviously, issued a very strong statement because the situation that he is involved in could end up with him losing the team. So obviously he is going to come out and be very aggressive denying the accusations that Brian Flores put in that lawsuit that he was trying to pay to tank games and also tamper with other players. The Broncos and John Elway issued a statement denying any wrongdoing in the hiring process. And the Giants issued a very lengthy and interesting statement. So they've all been accused of wrongdoing, so it's not surprising that they are defending themselves.

Of course, you're accused of something wrong. You're going to defend yourself. That's pretty standard. Now, I tend to judge people that answer questions live or do interviews or caught on the streets. I used to give them a little more grace. Like, you can say the wrong thing in the moment. We're doing three hours of live television. I'm probably going to say something wrong at some point today.

It happens. Do five days a week. It's live. It's on the board. But when you issue a statement that has certainly been passed by lawyers, has probably passed a minimum 10 hands, written and rewritten and read over and edited, you meant every word that you put out in this statement. So the Giants issued a statement yesterday in response to Brian Flores' lawsuit.

And they said in his CBS interview, yesterday, Mr. Flores was asked, quote, if clubs have the right to hire the person they think is best qualified for the job, or the person they feel is right for them. Mr. Flores responded, they do. That's very reasonable to me. That is exactly what we did. Now, that is what Brian Flores said, but it's the last part of that statement that stuck out to me in a very, very lengthy statement, if you have 10 minutes to go read. You know, less is generally more in this situation, but the giants felt the need to really wax poetic,

including an entire itinerary of their interview with Brian Flores. But that little sentence right there is what stuck out to me. That is exactly what we did. Now, many of you don't know me, but I'm pretty snarky and a little petty. And I know a thing or two about sass. So that's why I noticed that. And what we don't need in a situation like this is more animosity and snark.

It's giving me dismissal. And when you look at the situation that the NFL is in with black coaches not being hired at the rate that white coaches are being hired, but fired at the same rate, we can all agree if you're a reasonable person that this is a problem.

It's a situation that needs addressing. The Rooney rule is in place to help facilitate opportunities and get people in rooms they wouldn't normally be in, but it's obviously not working. So when the Giants come out with a very lengthy statement and feel the need to tag on, that is exactly what we did,

I thought, you know, let's probably take a closer look at the Giants overall. Yeah, that is exactly what you did because that's exactly what you always do. The Giants have never had a blackhead coach, in their 97 years of existence. In almost a century, you have never had a black head coach. 22 coaches, none of them black.

And it's not for lack of opportunity because you hire a new coach every two to three years. Daibble is the Giants' 22nd head coach since the Giants were founded in 1925. They's also only had five black offensive or defensive coordinators with the team during that time. So when you say that's exactly what we did, well, we know that.

That is exactly what you do. We had Emmanuel Ocho on the show earlier this week, and he pointed out something very interesting about the Giants in this particular situation. The reports allege that the Giants have only ever interviewed more than one minority candidate since the inception of the Rooney Rule, meaning they are doing the bare minimum.

If you only ever do the bare minimum in life, you didn't want to do it anyway. The Giants, since the inception of the Rooney Rule, they hired Cofflin, McAdo, Shirmer, Judge, and now Dable, five coaches. And you only ever interviewed more than one black person one time. If y'all can do it a math at home that's 20% of the time, one out of five, then you're only doing it because you're forced to.

Now, maybe the Giants didn't do anything wrong here. Maybe they did give Brian Flores a fair shot. But your reputation matters. And in this environment, in this world, where we're all asking for equality, everyone wants a fair shot, which is reasonable to most people. And when you see the results right now, one black head coach in the NFL, we can all agree this is a major issue. So when the Giants put out a statement, having never hired a blackhead. coach in their 97 years of existence, having only had five assistant black coaches in almost a century, and having hired what is believed to be the first female hire in Giants coaching staff

team history this week, maybe instead of the snarky little comment at the end of Brian Flores's very reasonable statement considering his circumstances, maybe you include something about how you acknowledge that this is an issue for the NFL, the NFL that has seven. 23% black players. This is an issue for a massive billion dollar organization that represents this country so well that represents diversity and opportunity that represents a kid who can get drafted in the sixth round and go on to be the greatest player of all time. Maybe instead of some snark and sass and completely denying any wrongdoing over the history of our organization, instead maybe include something about how you plan on helping,

how you've had conversations internally about how you want to become more diverse. And you'd like to talk to someone, perhaps Brian Flores or others or players, about how you can improve the situation around the NFL being a cornerstone organization that has existed for 97 years. Now, it's not just the Giants again. Everyone is coming out and defending themselves and very aggressively, which will find out how this lawsuit plays out whether they were right or whether these receipts are going to read very poorly and age badly. But I had to look at that statement several times over and I really felt like, are you talking to me?

Are you talking to me the consumer, the media member? Are you talking to me the black woman in a male dominated industry mostly run by white male decision makers? Is that who, is this what this statement is supposed to make me feel better? about this, that's exactly what we did. Did not need the SAS giants. And when it's a statement that I know lawyers have looked over, because there's a lawsuit, and I know plenty of PR people have poured over and the presidents and the GMs and you've gone many, many eyeballs on this. You all let that go out, knowing exactly how that sounded. It's one thing to defend yourself when you have a reputation for encouraging diversity and hiring accordingly.

It's another thing when you look in the mirror. I just think the attitude towards this entire situation is very unnecessarily aggressive, considering that we had another hire yesterday in Doug Peterson, which I think was a good hire. But now this leaves, assuming that the Minnesota Viking jobs is off the table, which we are assuming that it is, that leaves three head coaching jobs

unoccupied. That is the Texans. That is the Saints. That is the Dolphins. So even if all three of those jobs are filled by a black head coach, that would leave us with a grand total of four black head coaches in the NFL. Does that number sound good to you? Does it sound like that statement? That's exactly what we did. Does that sound sass appropriate? I'm just saying reasonable people can have a conversation about this without getting hostile. It's very hard to have reasonable conversations about anything that is polarizing anymore. But when you look at the numbers, which you cannot argue, it is a situation that requires everyone's attention and it doesn't require an extra little bit of attitude. That's how I feel. We have a lot more to get to today, including talking about the

Doug Peterson hire in Jacksonville, which I believe is a good hire. Again, we'll talk to Josina Anderson. We'll talk to Jay Glazer at the bottom of the hour and Mark Sanchez later in the show. But let's get to Doug Peterson and the Jacksonville Jaguars and why I think that hire is really good for Trevor Lawrence. Next on the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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He is taking a vacation day alongside Alex Curry, the very blingy, Alex Curry today. I love that you notice. Thank you. Yeah, that's very nice. Well, Doug Peterson was just hired to coach the Jacksonville Jaguars that was just announced. By the way, I apologize. I fundamentally can't say Jaguars, so you'll have to bear with me. It sounds weird when I say it, but I've only been saying it for like, you know, 30 years and I can't get it right.

So Jacksonville, the Jags hired Doug Peterson. They were three and 14 this year, which is pretty remarkable. I knew they were bad, but I think the Colts win at the end of the year like endeared me to them so well because it snuck the Steelers. into the playoffs, but they beat the bills, Miami, and the Colts, you know, kind of random wins similar to the Detroit Lions. And we know that this situation in Jacksonville was extremely dysfunctional all year long. It was issues with Urban Meyer, and he left not on great terms, and they were pretty much in disarray.

Byron Lefich was thought to be getting this job, but he removed himself from the coaching search when they basically chose Trent Balke over him, which I'm okay with him not taking this job because if you're not aligned with the GM, we have seen multiple times throughout the past couple years, and particularly this hiring and firing cycle that you really want to be aligned with the GM. So if it was a him or me situation, I would not force myself into that situation if I'm Byron Levich. He did an amazing job this year. He's going to have options. Don't go into a traditionally dysfunctional franchise that's firing coaches left and right and having trouble winning when you aren't aligned with your GM.

And former Vikings GM, Rick Spielman was on with us last week, and he talked about how important the head coach quarterback connection has to be. I think the number one thing you're looking for is that head coach has to have a relationship with that quarterback. And can a defensive head coach connect with that quarterback? Now, you know, an offensive coach is probably going to be able to because that's his job. but can the defensive coach do the same thing. And that's why I think this is a good hire for Jacksonville.

I thought Doug Peterson was the best option on the market. A lot of people felt that Harbaugh was that. But Doug Peterson has won a Super Bowl. And he did it with Nick Foles. He's a former quarterback. He worked six seasons under Andy Reed, who has a very strong coaching tree. He's an offensive guy.

And when we look at the Jacksonville job overall, and this is really a travesty, we don't think of it as a good job at all. But because of how dysfunctional they were this year and how bad it got, we kind of forgot that Trevor Lawrence is there. Like when we talk about Jacksonville, we don't even mention Trevor Lawrence, who was the most highly touted prospects since Andrew Luck.

Like this was the guy that everyone was trying to get. Jacksonville got him. And it was such a bad year overall for the organization that we haven't even discussed Trevor Lawrence at length. Even with his struggles this year, it felt kind of unfair to evaluate him. him because not only how bad they were, but just the constant dysfunction. Look, Jacksonville does not have a history of winning at all.

And, I mean, they are 28th and points per game, 20th and yards per game defensively. They're the 24th offensive line. It's really difficult for a rookie quarterback, even of the caliber of Trevor Lawrence, to walk into a situation with a dysfunctional situation and a first-time head coach in the NFL and have massive success. I didn't think they were going to be good this year. I did not think it was going to be the tragedy that it was. But Peterson is a proven coach.

He's a proven winner. He's worked under circumstances that obviously weren't the best for him in Philadelphia, which is why he ended up leaving there, getting fired from Philadelphia. So I think this is a great hire for Jacksonville. Hopefully him and the GM can get on the same page. Hopefully they can establish some stability, establish some culture in Jacksonville, mainly because I do want to see what Trevor Lawrence is capable of.

It's a tall task, but the great thing is we now have an example, not as dysfunctional, but pretty dysfunctional. In Joe Burrow, taking over an organization with scattered pieces, a bad offensive line, not the worst, but a bad offensive line, an unproven coach, and overcoming an injury, and taking them to the Super Bowl. So it is possible. Anything is possible.

That's what I love the most about this Joe Burrow story. He's also kind of turned the clock on on all these young quarterbacks as well. You don't have a whole time to turn things around if you are that talented. But I think we're going to give Trevor Lawrence a wash on his rookie season. And I do like this hire of Doug Peterson for Jacksonville. I think it's the right hire. And I think Byron Lefwich should get the Saints job, which we'll talk about a little bit later. We'll get into this some more with Jay Glazer at the bottom of the hour.

Fox Sports Insider. But first, let's get to Alex Curry with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. And let's keep talking about Joe Burrow because he has been incredibly impressive this year. But when he started playing football, he revealed that he didn't want to be a quarterback. I wanted to be a running back or a receiver.

I don't know, I don't know why. I just, I guess I thought in pee football, we weren't going to throw the ball very much. So I wanted to have the ball in my hand. Obviously, I'm glad it worked out the way that it did. You know, this is my career. I don't know if I'd be an NFL wide receiver. That's probably a pipe dream, but I can play quarterback pretty well. Yeah, it's worked out really well.

Let me start with this little fun fact. No quarterback has won the Heisman, the national title, and the Super Bowl. And Joe has a chance to do that within three years. Within three years. And as you just mentioned, he came into a franchise that was a losing franchise before he got there. He's bringing them to the Super Bowl in year two. And he's coming off a major injury in year one. This is so impressive and so big by a quarterback, a young quarterback.

I can't believe that. I wouldn't have guessed that. No quarterback has ever won the Heisman and national championship and a Super Bowl. And Super Bowl. Huh. Maybe we're evaluating quarterbacks wrong. Yeah. We got to take the middle of the road guys more.

Right. No, Joe Burrow is very impressive. Look, I am day one, Joe Burrow. I've been a fan of Joe Burrow, the longest. Yes, you have. I told whoever I could reach and the dolphins give up five first round picks and rename Ocean Drive after him. And I'm going to turn out to be right in that situation. It clearly, well, allegedly I wasn't the only one.

thought they should do whatever to get Joe Burrow. He's incredible. I love the story of the Cincinnati Bengals. We don't always get these circumstances in the championship weekend where whatever matchup we get will be excited about. Obviously, Cincinnati is a smaller market, and they don't have a wide footprint of fans across the world and across the country the way that, say, a Steelers or a Cowboys or even a Niners would have.

But I just think it's great. I think it's great for the NFL that we have the big L.A. Rams, Hollywood, superstars. We don't need draft picks. We've got the Wiz Kid, which is great. I love the way the Rams do business. And you have the Cincinnati Bengals who, you know, weren't completely dysfunctional, but traditionally cheap can never get over the hump in the postseason when they do make it. And here comes Joe Burrow to turn around the whole organization. They've done a great job putting pieces around him. Zach Taylor, I think, deserves a lot of credit as well.

It's really exciting. And he is just the best. So much swag. I love his attitude. So much swag. I love his swag. I love the the subtle Joe Namath-esque. Not subtle. Not subtle at all. The very upfront confidence. Subtle cocky, but it's embracable. It's relatable. Because he backs it up. Yeah. The worst is when you're like that and you can't play. That's, that's unbearable. But he's just

he's great. I'm so excited about the young talent that we have in the league. And I love this story about the Bengals. It's both of them. And also, this is the lowest seed Super Bowl that we've ever had. Both teams were fourth seeds. And then also both quarterbacks are first time playing in the Super Bowl. Obviously, won a rookie and won a veteran. And this was Matthew Stafford's first year with the Rams, which is very impressive. And not his first year with the Bengals, but he did get injured last year. So he missed most of the season. It's really impressive.

It's so funny. You can feel it's here in L.A. It's almost. Yeah, we're getting excited. We're getting excited. All right. Well, let's move to a veteran quarterback as Aaron Rogers figures out where his career will unfold in 2022. A new potential suitor has entered the picture. Jared Stillman of 1.2.5, the game in Nashville reported that Rogers has purchased land

and is in the process of building a house in Franklin, Tennessee, which is a suburb in Nashville. Now, Stillman added Rogers is open to joining the Titans. The current QB, Ryan Tannahills contract, has a $29 million. salary for 2022, fully guaranteed, and trading him before June 1st would trigger a cap hit of $28.4 million. It would be difficult to move him, especially when Rogers would have to be paid too. But just going back to the whole Rogers situation now, I think there is no way he is retiring now, even though he kind of mentioned it, since Tom Brady just retired. And now he's going to want to go do what Tom Brady did.

Go join a new team, see if you can win a Super Bowl. Tennessee is not a bad option, especially since they were the number one seed in the AFC and it was their quarterback, Tannahill, who threw that game away with three intersections. Yeah. I know Tennessee fans are not super high on Tanna Hill right now. Yeah. So I brought this up on the show the other day at Tennessee possibly being an option.

I don't know. Why would it be difficult to move Ryan Tannahill? There's plenty of teams that need a quarterback that would be happy to pay Ryan Tannahill. I don't say never say never anymore when it comes to making moves and sports. They can find ways to make these contracts work. Obviously, Aaron Rogers to Tennessee would be an incredible addition with Derek Henry back healthy and the weapons that they have. And as you mentioned, they were the number one seed in the AFC and fizzled out very early due to the quarterback play. I also think the Colts is a really good option.

Everyone's leaning towards Denver because of the hack at hire. And they were kind of in the mix last. year as well. I think he leaves, but I've thought he was going to leave since the beginning of last year before all of the noise and the vaccine stuff and whatever. Just I'm a petty person. I can relate to that kind of activity. And no matter what he says about how he's fixed everything up, I still think he could end up leaving. It also just feels like this story's sort of been written. It felt like that with Tom Brady. Yeah. Like when he when he was leaving, it was like, you know, I've seen this. I've seen everything that you can do and it just keeps feeling like they're hitting a ceiling.

I wouldn't be surprised if he stays also, but Tennessee makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense. And with Tom Brady retiring, I am more confident now that I think Aaron is going to move teams. Can you imagine that Hall of Fame ceremony? It's Ben Rathesberger, Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers. Where are we going to put everybody? He needs his own year. He needs his own year.

It's already going to be bad with Tom Brady and Aaron and Ben Rothesberger. They're both going to be first ballot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Kahn's going to have to have. so you guys are going to have to put up a couple extra hotels. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, let's move back to L.A. The Clippers had the upper hand on the Lakers most of last night,

leading by as many as 17 at one point. But the Lakers closed the gap in the final 16 minutes of the game and led by one with 12 seconds remaining after a huge dunk by Anthony Davis. The Clippers drove down the court and Reggie Jackson hit a spinning shot off the backboard to give them a one-point lead with four seconds left. And Clippers went on to win 11, 110 after Anthony Davis's final shot rolled around the rim and fell out. Now, this was a great comeback effort by the Lakers,

but what matters here? The final score. And the Lakers did not get the win. And it is hard. They did a great job without LeBron, but it's just not the same team without LeBron. And there was always that thought, is this going to be Anthony Davis's team?

And these are the big moments, especially when you're playing your hometown rival, L.A. Clippers, this is the moment where you have to make that final shot. This is the moment where you have to, that has to go in. The fact that it rolled and went out was just, as a Laker fan, that was tough.

I watched this whole game last night. And yeah, I mean, I have lots of thoughts on the Lakers. And ironically, the Clippers together, having watched that game, my takeaway mostly is they're kind of the same team. And Lakers fans don't really want to hear that. But if you remove the two stars from each team, which the Clippers already have,

because they're not healthy. Yeah. And the Lakers have had problems keeping their two stars healthy. Like LeBron is out right now. ID was out for forever as he normally is. He always is because he's injured. So if you look at the rest of the roster, would you take the rest of the Clippers roster

or the rest of the Lakers roster? Probably have to lean a little bit towards the clippers. They're at the very least younger. Yeah. And have some stronger role players. The coaches are essentially the same. They're both championship winning coaches. Some might think that Lou is better than Frank Vogel,

but they both won championship. and Vogel more recently. If you remove the stars, what are you looking at? Like, Lakers fans, the problem with the Lakers situation is there are massive expectations, probably unrealistic expectations for this particular team. I'm going to give a team that has a healthy LeBron James on at a chance every time, because that's just what I'm going to do. But it's Anthony Davis that is the key to this team, as you mentioned.

He has to be. He has to be healthy and he has to be playing at the highest level or it's just not the same team. And I don't know how you evaluate the Lakers without them being completely. completely healthy. And you have to hit that game winning shot. Yeah, you got to make that. You have to make that. You got to make big bucks. You got to make that shot. Yep. That is for sure. That's Alex Curry with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. All right, let's bring in Jay Glazer, Fox Sports NFL Insider, owner of Unbreakable Performance Center, which is a beautiful gym that I could not keep up in.

And the founder of MVP merging vets and players. Hi, Jay. It's good to see you. I'm very excited to talk about your book. So you have a new book out, Unbreakable. And you've said you've dealt with depression and anxiety all your life. So what made you decide to write your book? Just being that, like, look, I wake up every single day in the gray. You've known me for a while.

We used to call me crazy, right? And now we talk about mental health. You know, crazy is pretty good. It's a badge of honor in sports and football and fighting. But what you probably didn't know is how much pain I was in all these years. and what I realize is the more I could, like we talk about mental health, but who gives it words,

who describes it? So I want to be able to describe it for people out there, whether you have my level, which is clinical depression and anxiety from the various early age that I could possibly remember from a little kid on, or you're going through because of the pandemic. I mean, it's just,

or you just, you know, think your life sucks because you compare yourself to everybody else's filtered fraction of a second on Instagram. It's just a different world these days. I wanted to give words to it for other people to have the conversations. The more teammates we can get, the more I could talk about, the more I've opened up to my friends about it, really, the last two years, actually the closer it's gotten us together. Yeah, I think it's important that you mentioned that because a lot of times it feels, it can feel weak to say that you're struggling or that you need help or that you're not in a good space because you're always supposed to be perfect and social media makes it seem like everything's always supposed to be aligned and you're grinding. and blessings and, you know,

so it feels very vulnerable. And probably, I mean, for women, you know, we cry to each other every five minutes. I cry over commercials. So it can sometimes be easier for us to say that we're, you know, in a more difficult place. But, you know, for men, being able to talk about that and being open about it, and like you said,

have teammates is really important. Yeah, look, and like the book is a prescriptive book. It's, you know, how I got to where I am. Look, I got, I don't know if you know this, but the first 11 years of my career, I was making $9,700 a year. So I know what it's like on both. I know what it's like to be broke,

and I know what it's like to be unbreakable where another stuff broke me. But yet, for dudes, like for me, no one's questioned in my manhood. I got followed the midst martial arts early on, so I could cry on the drop of a dime. I got no problem with that. But, you know, I like to brag about my physical scars from fighting,

but I want us to start bragging about our mental scars a lot more. especially dudes. Can you explain what it means to be in the gray? Yeah. So gray for me is depression and anxiety, and I wake up with it every single morning of my life, and it sucks. Like, I wake up every morning feeling like the sky is falling, and the universe is against me when it's not.

And I know people out there look and go, how could this guy feel this way? His life is great. And I get it. My life is great. On the outside, it's fantastic. And I work my butt off to get here. But between my ears, it just sucks. And it's a daily battle for me, and it's something I can't give up on.

And I know the more I could be of service to people that helps me through the gray, the more I can get teammates. And I wrote the book so I can kind of create a huge team. So we could all walk this walk together. And I did it for everybody else to be at service. But the same time, I also did it for myself. I need it. Like, I have, man, I never know I'm waking up.

with every day. And it's a battle. His new book, Unbreakable, Jay Glazer. Well, I appreciate you writing about this, Jay. I have issues with anxiety and first started having suicidal thoughts at the age of 14, so I can definitely relate to everything that you're talking about. And, you know, now with the pandemic, mental health has become an even bigger conversation, one that we've been trying to have in sports for a long time. So make sure you check out Jay Glazer's new book, Unbreakable. So also, Foxx. And the suicidal thoughts you're talking about also, I tackle a lot of that in the because we've had really great success, if you will,

in our charity, MVP, merging vets and players, and I really get into that, like how we've been able to turn a lot of our members from suicidal to not thinking about it. But in today's day and age, man, it's, you know, it's like the power of suggestion,

suicide is an epidemic. We just saw Miss USA, right? Take her own life. And you could be that beautiful, as beautiful as you are, beautiful as she is, and still feel this loneliness. So I'm trying to,

man, I've never known what it's like. I feel this loneliness in the inside behind my rib cage. And it's motivated me to go do all these great things to try and get love from the outside in. Because I don't know how to do it from the inside out. So I'm hoping that maybe at one point they can meet in the middle and I could try to learn how to love myself from the inside out. But that's what we all we got to do together. Yeah, absolutely. Sometimes being a blessing to other people is healing to yourself.

And you do a great job with MVP, merging vets. and players I come from a military family. So I appreciate all the work that you do with the veterans. So awkward transition to football news. Probably the biggest watch that will be on for the quarterback position because Russell's Russell Wilson, Wilson, Womers, and we know that Jimmy G is going to get traded. But Aaron Rogers and what he's going to do is kind of the first domino

that has to fall before all of these moves are made. Because does he go to Denver? And then that takes away a trade partner in Denver for Jimmy G. Does he go to the Steelers? So what do you think Aaron Rogers ends up doing, Jay? You're asking me to predict Aaron Rogers? What's going on between his years? No shot.

Are you kidding me? Oh, my God. So, man, if you'd ask me two weeks ago, I would have said, yeah, I could see him. I think he's gone no matter what. And then like a week ago, somebody inside the Packers was doing a pretty good job of convincing me that, no, the fences are being mended here. And I could see him coming back. And then somebody else said, no, he really wants to go down to, you know, this place. So, look, you know me, I like to deal in facts.

So with him, I know I can never, I can never figure out what goes on between his ears. Yeah, I think he ends up leaving, but that's just because the only thing, well, one of the things I'm going to do is him being petty because I'm a petty person. So I feel like I got to go. Well, so did I until last week. And then somebody in there like, man, my guy. one of my guys in Green Bayers really convinced me. No, I'm telling you. It's gotten better.

He's really gotten better, but that's also before Havre's coaching staff left. Exactly. So let's talk about the Super Bowl, obviously, is next week, and we're kind of all saving our predictions for next week when the Rams, well, I want to say the Rams host of Cincinnati Bengals, but they're actually really not. But they are.

It's the other way around. It's the other way around. But they are going to be at their home stadium and so-fi, and everyone in L.A. is looking forward to it. I had a lot of questions about Matthew Stafford throughout the season. I wanted to see what he was going to do in the postseason. having never won a playoff game in his career. And he's done an amazing job.

He had some turnover issues towards the end of the season. And now here they are in the Super Bowl in his first year with the Rams. You know, look, it was funny because I was there on the trip with, so here's the backstory. Last year, about this time, last year, I broke up my girlfriend at the time, Rosie Tennisin, still one of my closest friends. And I bring her up because she deserves a Super Bowl ring here. So Andrew Whitworth calls me and says, hey, man.

No, you're, you know, you're going to attack a little bit. I'm down in Cabo with McVe. Once you come down here, we've got a room. And I said, nah, I'm just going to hang out here, man, it's cool. He's like, why would you not? Like, just come down here. And I'm like, why would I not? So I decide the next day, okay, you sure he goes, yes, we got your room.

Come on down. So Medvei says, if Glazer is coming, I'm going to stay. He was going to leave. And actually, we had a huge talk that night about mental health, which is in the book, a huge thing trying to get McVeigh to understand, like what people me and and Andrew Whitworth go through. So the next day, Stafford happens to check in to our hotel. It really was coincidental.

People don't believe it. It was a total coincidence. And, man, Whitworth hosted dinner in his room later that night. Those two guys fell in love. They figured out how to get him to the Rams. Two days later, you know, McVeigh's over there getting this deal done. And, man, during a dinner over there. So I basically told these guys, you know what?

You know, my ex-girlfriend deserves a Super Bowl ring because we didn't break up. I want to come down and then McVeigh would, you know, would have left, and you two wouldn't have fallen in love with each other. So, yeah, it always goes back to my exas. Doesn't it always? I want to be in the room where it happens. Joe Burrow, also wildly impressive stint so far with the Bengals. I think he's really changed the narrative for two things in the NFL.

One, the idea that you can't change, turn around, an organization that is a traditionally losing organization. You can't overcome a big injury. You can't overcome a bad offense. line. You can't overcome a young unproven coach. He's done all of that. And two, I think he has turned the clock up a little bit on

all these other young players about how fast their success needs to happen. But he is so fun to me. He's one of my favorite players in the league. How impressed are you with what he's done? Well, when he was coming out, what Joel Clatt told me, and then what everybody else said after that

is he's a culture changer. The dude's a culture changer. So, you know, right, I remember there's a lot of a lot of talk about, maybe he won't go to Cincinnati and all these things. Man, he was always on board. Him and Zach Taylor like this.

And Zach Keller said, no way we will trade this pick because the guy's a culture changer. So I heard it first from Joel Klatt, and that's where what he said. And obviously, that's exactly what he's done. He's changed the whole culture over there in Cincinnati.

This guy's special. I love him. I agree. I told Alex earlier, I told the Dolphins to give them five first round picks and rename Ocean Drive after him if you have to. They didn't listen, obviously. But it's apparent the Bengals weren't

going to listen to that offer anyway. Jay, it's great to catch up with you. Great to see you. I'm glad you're doing well. Make sure you check out his new book Unbreakable. He is the owner of Unbreakable Performance Center and the founder of MVP. Merging Vets and Players, make sure you check that out as well. They do amazing work. There is his new

book, Unbreakable, how I turn my depression and anxiety into motivation and you can too. Great to talk to you, Jay. Thanks for coming on. You too. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. That's Jay Glazer, Fox Sports NFL Insider. All right, coming up, if you were watching the end of the show yesterday, which I know you were, me and Colin got into an interesting conversation playing our best for last game about the Cowboys. And he wanted to talk about it today. So since he's not here,

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so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black. black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the herd. I'm a big fan of the new wireless outdoor camera from

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alongside Alex Curry. Colin Cowherd is skiing right now, taking a much needed rest of day before the big Super Bowl week, which is approaching

quickly. We're getting very excited about this here in L.A. So at the end of the show yesterday, we played Tom or false, right?

Is that the name of it? Tom or False? As our best for last game. And one of the questions was, does Tom Brady have more playoff wins with the Bucks than the Cowboys do in the last 25 years? And it's true. Tom Brady has five playoff wins with the Buccaneers, his second team, in two years,

than the Cowboys have in the last 25 years. They have three. Now, full disclosure, I picked the Cowboys to go very far this year. I was wrong. I did pick them to win the division because they generally do win the division. they had a good team. Dak was back healthy. Dan Quinn did an amazing job with the defense.

Then in the second year with Mike McCarthy, not a wild prediction. Also not a wild prediction that they were going to fizzle out in the playoffs, which is where I'm at now. I'm not buying into the Cowboys nonsense anymore. And I like, look, my mom's a Cowboys fan. I adore Skip Bayless. He's a huge Cowboys fan.

The Cowboys are the biggest brands in the sport. That's not my opinion. That is factual. They're actually the biggest brand in the world. They are the biggest sports brand, measurably, in the entire world. So that's why we always talk about. them. People always come up to me. Why are you always talking about the cowboys? Because they're the biggest

brands. You either hate them or you love them, but we always talk about the cowboys because people want to talk about the cowboys. And the way that their season ended this year was a disaster. I don't blame Dak, but Dak talked about why he's ready to move on to 2022, and that loss is going to stick with him for a while. Yeah, I mean, just didn't want to take any, any more, I guess you can say hits or just wear on the body. I wanted to, as I said, turn the page, get ready just to start next season. Yeah, I don't know if it's going yet. I don't know if it ever will, honestly.

I think there's probably some games, some moments in an athlete's career that just stick with them forever, and I'm sure that would be one of them. Three playoff wins in 25 years. That is remarkable. And the Cowboys are a bit of a victim of their own brand success. Not on the field success, brand success. They always have exciting stars. They have beautiful facilities, great fans and international fan base, all the best ratings.

So there's not a whole lot of motivation to change how they do business. But I just don't believe that the Cowboys will ever have any other kind of success than what they've had the way that Jerry Jones does things. He is an extremely front-facing owner. And I love it. I'm in the media. I love interesting. And Jerry Jones is very, very interesting.

Great stories, great lines, great soundbites. but they're not going to win at a high level with the team being run the way that it is. And the reason I know that is because they have three playoff wins in the last 25 years. So if you do the same thing over and over expecting a different result, what is that? That's the definition of insanity. And that is where the Cowboys are. That is a remarkable stat. Three playoff wins in 25 years for the Dallas Cowboys.

Think of the talents that has been on that team for that long. So I love Jerry. I think they're very interesting. They're a great regular season team. So they have great facilities. They have a great stadium. But when we talk about the Cowboys, I think we all need to be a little more realistic

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