The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - George Pickens to the Cowboys

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

Colin reacts to the Steelers trading wide receiver George Pickens to the Cowboys and why quarterback Dak Prescott is the right type of leader to make this work. He calls out Anthony Edwards for his poor showing in game 1 of the Timberwolves series vs the Warriors and why he still has a long way to go if he wants to be the face of the NBASee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So Cowboys in desperate need of another playmaker still doesn't solve their running back room or their left tackle situation or the coaching issue. but it's something. Yeah, it feels like their win total is going to go up, what, three, four wins as a result of this trick. Maybe one. They'll be more entertaining. All right, so George Pickens, a volatile but wildly talented,

wide receiver from Pittsburgh. The Steelers said, give us a third round pick. You can have him. This part of it, I didn't like D.K. Metcalfe and George Pickens, both high-maintenance receivers on the same team. I didn't like that at all. so I'm glad they moved off him. They got a decent pick.

Expectations, though, are the key to this trade. It can only work because of Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott's temperament and maturity. He's dealt with Jerry's ego and Ezekiel Elliott's nonsense. Dak will make it work if it can work. I mean, listen, it's like going, plan for Jerry Jones for a young quarterback is like going, you know, it's a little animal house. It's a little crazy.

It's not like any other frat. And Dak has done a great job. There's been multiple controversies. He had to deal with Des Bryant's, you know, tantrums early. C.D. Lamb wants the ball. He's had, you know, passive-aggressive shots taken at him. Again, Zeke, they've moved, they've rebuilt the offensive line. Dak may not be the best quarterback in the league, but this is a receiver with a big

catching radius, who is great on contested catches. I don't think Dak throws the prettiest or more accurate football, but I think intangibles, I think EQ, I think he's one of the guys that goes to the podium every week, and just, he's like in Vegas, they call it the cooler. You'd put a guy with bad luck near a hot table, the cooler. Dak is the cooler. Anytime there's a circus going on in Dak, you know, he brings the temperature down. but Mike Tomlin, who's always been a player's coach, he bailed on him.

He couldn't control him. And Randy Moss works in New England, not just because of Tom Brady. He worked because of Bill Belichick. And the reason A.J. Brown, who could be a bit temperamental, works in Philadelphia because they have a great owner and a GM and a great culture. The Cowboys don't have a great culture. This is a volatile, immature, wide receiver who's going to want the ball and is not going to love C.D. Lamb getting 12 targets and he gets four on certain Sundays. He's not going to like that.

And this is not a strong culture or a strong coaching staff. So I think the opportunity and chance for mayhem is through the roof. Dallas right now is the land of the misfit boys. It's just, it's not a well-run franchise, in my opinion. I picked him yesterday for fourth place. I do think this is an elite playmaker. There are not a lot of body types. He is incredibly strong for how thin he is.

He's rangy. He can catch in a crowd. You know, DAC isn't as precise as like a lot of quarterbacks, so you need somebody that can move, that can compensate, that can correct course if Dax's a little off, and he can do all that stuff. But between C.D. and Jerry and the left tackle issue and no-run game and the temperament of Pickens, DAC Prescott's patients once again will be tested. If this thing works, and it'll be fun to watch, but if it works, it works only because of DAC.

His EQ, which is, again, tangibles, he's not top 10. Intangibles, he may be top two or three in the league. All right, so, and we'll get to that more on that in a second. George Pickens, talented wide receiver, third round pick goes to Pittsburgh. So if you did not catch the first half of the Warriors T-Wolves game, your eyes are thanking you. You did your eyes of favor. It was one of the ugliest games I've seen.

Ant was a no-show. Minnesota's at home in the first half, rested, younger, great coaching staff, probably the best pure athlete in the game in Ant, who was a no-show. They had no energy. They were 0-15 in the game. first half shooting threes with nine turnovers. It was abysmal. It was awful.

It was inexcusable. And Steph Curry got hurt in the second quarter, and they still maintained, for most of the game, a double-digit lead. At one point in the second half, the Warriors, T-wolves had cut it down to 10, and then they went four minutes without a basket. They were just not ready to play. And, I mean, Draymond Green almost hit as many three-pointers is the entire Minnesota roster.

That's how bad it was. And it was a blown opportunity. And I was watching the game, and I was thinking, and maybe, this is old school, but I was thinking about this. Like, part of being a great player, you know, Michael Jordan's flu game, LeBron playing hurt, part of being a great player is not when you're rested. It's when you just don't have any energy.

But for aunt to be rested at full strength, have a size advantage. Steph is hurt. Just forget your game. You just have a light bulb has to go off. This is a moment. We got to win this game. And the Warriors stole home court advantage.

I mean, everything was in Minnesota's favor. Old team with less rest. On the road, Steph gets hurt. But I mean, give Pods credit and Draymond credit, great D. Buddy healed now has kind of taken the place of Steph Curry last night. That was great. Jimmy Butler remains so good. What I love about Jimmy Butler, it's not about a three-point shot.

When they need a bucket, the lead gets down to 10 or 11. Boy, they go right to Jimmy Butler. He is a bucket every time they need it. But I think this was not about how well the Warriors played. At one point late in the game, I almost tweeted this. I'm like, are the Warriors playing well? I know they have no step, and they're leading by 12 on the road. I don't even think they played well.

I think Buddy Healed has played well. well and Draymond and Pods are playing really great defense. Young guys can struggle defensively, but they got a guy, a former lacrosse star on the floor doing hook shots. I'm not even sure if the Warriors played well.

What I know is, Aunt didn't, and the Warriors did. Here's Barclay. You're a great player. First of all, you bought all this smoke. You say you wanted to smoke. You say you wanted to smoke. I want the Warriors. And you

You got him. You had one point in half time, and his energy level was down. So that to me is what coaches about. I mean, Shaq's been in this situation, I've been in this situation. When you're the man, you get all the credit, but you get all to blame. Big time. Big time for the guys. We want step back. I'll tell you that.

It's hard playing without that man. What do you learn from this game on that you're going to bring into Thursday at the team? Their step is our best player, and that game is much easier when we got them. Yeah, I mean, I will say this. whereas the T-Wolves didn't seize the moment. I mean, the minute Steph is out, you're at home, you're younger, well-rested, you're thinking, okay, we have to win this game. And yet the Warriors were the ones that played with urgency without Steph.

They would have had excuses. But I thought in the fourth quarter late, their defense, listen, the Warriors, Steve Kerb may be known as an offensive guy. He certainly was as a player. but their defense with Golden State discombobulated Houston in Game 7, and it felt like it deserves a lot of credit here. But I just didn't like the lack of energy. I'm watching Ant thinking, bro, you got outplayed by Buddy Heald,

who wore the wrong shorts to the game. Like, you've got to do better than that. This is one of your games. You've got to step up and make it. And by the way, guys get sick. Like I was talking to somebody last night about the 82-game regular season. You could not play. the NBA could not officiate the regular season

like they officiate the playoffs. That game was physical. These games are crazy. Guys are on the floor. There's elbows flying. I understand that there are, you know, you get to a fifth or a sixth game in a series, but when the Warriors are outperforming

the young Houston Rockets in game seven and a well-rested T-Wolves team has significantly less energy than an old Warriors team with fewer days rest. That's on ant. You're the most dynamic athlete here. You have to step up and say,

Steph's gone. This is a W. There are no excuses here. So I thought it was a bad look for Minnesota. And the playoffs remain. They are so good. I'll get to the Indiana win. But J-Mack, so many things,

I mean, like the Knicks beating the Celtics in game one. Last night, I'm watching Cab's Pacers. Cabs had like a seven-point lead. You know, it's like a minute left. Some of the stuff that happens in these pressurized situations where a Tatum can disappear, an ant can disappear. And this is where I'm very old school. Magic didn't always give you his best game.

He once got the nickname Tragic Johnson. But Magic's energy was great. Michael and Bird's energy was great. Guys, you're flying on these jets. You don't get back-to-backs. The All-Star break is longer. Nutrition's better. you can play poorly, but you can't lack energy in these playoff games.

And what we saw was Jeff Curry. I saw a stat. He ran 1.9 miles in Game 7 against Houston the most he's ever run in a game. And again, this isn't straight line running. This is cutting, defending. And interestingly, 48 hours later, he pulls his hamstring and Colin. I know you know injuries. Hamstrings need rest.

I don't think he's coming back this series. That's my early guess. I'd be shocked if he's back at all. Well, he won't play game two. Hell, no, no shot. I mean, hamstrings are weeks, not days. And, you know, without Steph Curry, Colin, I know Minnesota look terrible. There's no way they're losing this series to Jimmy Butler, Plasemski, a former lacrosse player.

I know, it's crazy. I'll say this. What made the Patriots great was the culture. Many times the weather's inclement. I mean, remember when Brady slashed his hand before a big playoff game and he had like eight stitches, he ripped it on a helmet? But culture in these big moments can really help win games. Buddy Heald has been staff the last two games. Pods is playing like elite defense.

You can't make a shot, but his defense has been great. They got a lacrosse player in there. What culture provides is everybody in a strong culture in New England knew what their assignment was. Nobody's guessing. Houston's half-court offense, nobody knows what it is. outside of Shengoon. The thing about the Warriors is it's like, guys, we got a crisis here. Steph's out. Everybody knew their role. Pods knew his, buddy knew his. Jimmy Butler's the bucket guy. Dremont's like, oh, I have to shoot more threes now.

Like, Draymond's like, okay, now I've got to crank up some threes. Like everybody instantly, when Steph left, they went into their role and their slot. And that is the value of experience and culture. So many of these football games are decided in a red zone fourth down. That's a great point. I would go to the other side of it as well. Minnesota, interesting. Julius Randall suddenly can't make a three-pointer. Couldn't miss against the Lakers.

I mean, Jaden McDaniel, these guys couldn't do anything last night. Meanwhile, they torched the Lakers. And don't tell me that's defense. The Lakers got unlucky in that series. At what point do we say, hey, man. Come on, how unlucky did they get? Gobert, 27 and 24. What did he do last night?

It was nothing special. Maybe because the defensive... Kavan Looney, yeah. Dramon Green. Those guys really long. He was good last night. Solid. Come on.

Losing in five games has never been due to bad luck. It's a tough one. Lakers fans were ticked watching that last time. Because Julius Randall turned into a pumpkin. He basically did. This is the real Julius Randall. As Tim Legler will tell you, the NBA's whole contested shot thing, he had the idea of what a contested shot is.

I would say Golden State contests a lot more shots than the Lakers do. That's fair. Yeah. I mean, now the Celtics had something like 32 uncontested threes against the Knicks, and they missed like 70%. Well, they also shot 60. Rocket Mortgage is lowering down payments to 1% for eligible homebuyers with 1 plus. You heard that right. 1% down on a home with 1 plus from Rocket Mortgage.

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um do you think erin rogers of the steelers potentially do you think erin rogers has anything to do with George Pickens being moved. So Aaron Rogers is not a stealer. There is speculation out there. He is waiting for the schedule to drop. Aaron did not like, and by the way, Peyton Manning hated primetime games. A lot of these quarterbacks, as they get older, they get into rhythms. Kirk Cousins hated primetime games.

Aaron, people are speculating. He's waiting for the schedule next Wednesday to drop, and if they don't have a ton of primetime games, and I don't think they will, Then Aaron's like, I'll go to Pittsburgh. If he does it early, the NFL could manipulate the schedule. Aaron doesn't want primetime games. He wants that one o'clock window. A lot of these guys do.

I totally get it and defend there and there. A lot of guys get tired of getting monkey around. I mean, Mahomes last year, you know, never played a normal schedule. So I will say this. I do believe Dan Rooney, the owner of the Rooney family had said, we think Aaron's going to be a stealer. Aaron already showed his allegiance. Hey, listen, I like it.

the D.K. Metcalf guy. He's been in the league. He's great. So Aaron's shown his hand. He, of the two receivers they had, he's like, I'm going to go work out with this one. Aaron has always liked effort guys at wide receiver. Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, I mean

James Jones, you don't have to be a burner. Randall Cobb, he likes dependable guys he can trust. You can't trust George Pickens. Metcalfe may be high maintenance, but he plays hard. Pickens bails on routes. Now, this is also a Steeler issue. The Steelers

have lost a lot. They lost Dan Moore their left tackle. Naji Harris, Pickens, Van Jefferson, Mike Williams, both their quarterback. So they're the only team in the league that has lost their leading passer, leading rusher, and leading receiver from last year. But Aaron, obviously, is a better quarterback

in the two they had. So I think they could be fine. They tend to, maybe it's Mike Tomlin, they think he can handle it, they tend to draft a lot of dramatic players. They draft and develop, they roll the dice on, Lavian Bell, Chase Claypool, A, B, you know, Pickens. Peckins had red flags when he was coming out of college.

Deontay Johnson. Now, they bail on them, to their credit, you know, if they think they're a pain in the butt, they'll move off them. But they have moved off a lot of highly dramatic players, and it feels like it's an exercise in futility. You keep doing the same thing over and over. You won't red flag guys that most of the league does, and you end up getting a couple good years, but you have to bail on him.

So the Steelers got a third round pick. I think Aaron, I believe that he's waiting, and this is the speculation, he don't want primetime games. So now he's got, and he would never admit it, he's got a number one receiver. He'll have a great defense. He's obviously there's some sort of discussion going on between Aaron and the Steelers. I don't know if there's an agreement. But I think the sad part for the Steelers is they're a lot.

have become a franchise that's more interesting than they are very good. That's what they become. I think Aaron makes them very interesting. I said this yesterday. They're going to be a third-place team in the division. They're too gifted, too good of a coach, too good of a culture, too good of a defense to be fourth place, but they're not in Baltimore's league right now. They're just not. They're not good enough a quarterback. They're not in Cincinnati's league because they're not good enough a quarterback or a wide receiver. So, but I, did Aaron have influence over this? Listen, Aaron has showed his hand multiple times on influence.

He wanted McCarthy out, out. He wanted Randall Cobb, Lazard, and hack it. Got it. So it's like Aaron hasn't shown his hand before. Aaron generally is at a point where he's got $300 million net worth. He's like, hey, tell me what you can do, tell me what you can't do. I think, honestly, Aaron's pretty predictable at this point. that I think he'll go to Pittsburgh, but it's got to be right.

He's got to get the things right. The TV schedule, one great weapon that may be a bit high maintenance, but he's already shown his hand and his allegiance. Yeah, my guess is he's going to be a stealer, and it's going to be sometime late next week he'll announce it. That would be my guess. Aaron doesn't communicate with a lot of people. He's got a new relationship, reportedly.

That would be my guess. But I do think Aaron has shown his hand multiple times is he's going to want certain things. By the way, when Tom Brady went to Tampa, get me Gronk, get me Lenny Fernette. But by year, you know, year two or three, move Ariads upstairs. Like the veteran quarterbacks, Peyton Manning, there's things I want. This is not picking on Aaron. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. You know, listen, I got to pile on in. Anthony Edwards here a little bit. You took some jabs in the opening segment, Colin, I got to say, for a guy who ran his mouth all week, trashing the Lakers up and down, oh, we smoked him, doing a victory lap.

Bro, he did not show up, embarrassed himself at home. You know, Minnesota was booed at halftime, Colin? Yeah. They were getting booed by their home crowd. Ant started O of 8 from the field, went into half with just one point. He made one shot outside the lane all night. Like, come on, face of the league, give me a break.

Chris Finch called out his superstar afterward. It starts with Anthony. You know, I thought he was, you know, his aunt, he struggled early. And then you could just kind of see the light go out. You're the leader of the team. And you got to come out and set the tone, you know, in all ways that that happens. And if it, if your shot's not going, like, you still have to carry the energy, you know. So, you know, I don't think there's, you know, if I got to talk to.

guys about having the right energy coming into opening second round game. And, you know, we're not, you know, we're not on the same page. Uh, that's pretty honest. Yeah. Listen, it happens. When you run your mouth a lot, you have a big win. Come out a little like feeling yourself. I'm sure he watched all the clips of you saying he's the future face of the league. People saying he's better than Jason Tatum. Listen, man, I'll just say, if Tatum played as poorly, oh, we've been crushing it. I mean, the social media would have hung I mean, it would have been bad. Colin, if they don't win this series and Steph Curry doesn't play again,

I don't know what you do in Minnesota. Like everything's set up. I will say there are moments when you can lose a star. I mean, remember when Aaron Rogers got hurt? Zach Wilson came in and they beat Buffalo? Yeah, that was, yeah. But what I'm saying is, when somebody can't prepare for something, so you lose Steph Curry and the T-Wolds were like,

well, we prepared to chase Steph Curry around the floor for two hours. So, you know, Aaron gets hurt. Here comes Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson beats the bill. Well, I didn't have film on Zach Wilson that didn't prepare for him. But over the course of a seven-game series, no staff,

now you're preparing for them going forward with no staff. They got no shot to win the series. I would say none. That being said, do you trust Minnesota? Colin, seven for 47 degrees against the Lakers? They can't shoot. You know what this shows you?

And I know this, Dan Wojke, he doesn't want to hear it, and you don't want to hear it. It shows you how far the Lakers are away. I mean, I'm sorry. And not well-rested seven-game series Warriors team without Steph outplayed Minnesota. The Lakers almost got swept. Oh, come on.

I mean, my takeaway is coach Warriors. Best player, Warriors. Steph at least tries on defense. Depth of talent, warriors. I would go the opposite. Have you seen anything from Oklahoma City or Minnesota? To start the second round, they're juggernauts and going to dominate the West? I mean, I don't know that Minnesota's that good.

Do you? Yeah. Like, they had a good series against the Lakers. They played great down the stretch. They just dispatched of Luca LeBron and JJ Reddick, like they were a wasp in the window. And they had a really, really bad game last night. It does. Hey, by the way, Boston had an atrocious second half against the Nixon home.

We'll see it tonight. It happens. Who's the best player in the West? West. Jokic. Make a show. It's not. It ain't SGA.

Sorry. Next up, let's go to the NFL. Jaden Daniels. You know, Coward, you're smiling over there because Daniels was incredible last year. You called it. They went to the NFC Championship. He's hoping to avoid a sophomore slump.

Cliff was kind of just tailored the offense to my strengths, you know, player strengths, and obviously we had conversations of, you know, he wanted me to be as comfortable as possible. So we had a conversation like, I didn't like this or I don't like that. He might have argued a little bit, but ultimately he would have called play that I wasn't comfortable with. Jaden Daniels just, you don't hear from him much, great temperament.

He's another one of these players that comes in and just has the right temperament. Just doesn't need to be in a million commercials. Just going to win a bunch of games. I'll worry about that later. I will say I wasn't that bullish on him coming out of LSU. A lot of stat patting against bad teams. He's amazing. He's a really talented quarterback.

And they added Debo Samuel, kept their OC in Kingsbury, added left tackle Laramie Tunsell. Folks, he just had the best rookie season by any quarterback in the history of the sport. And the team got better. Oh, and not a good roster. I mean, when Andrew Luck came in, he took him to 11 wins he was good. But he was mistake from him. But similarly, I mean, Andrew Luck was really good. By year two, three, he still made mistakes.

He was great. This kid didn't make the mistakes. He was like one of the best fourth quarter quarterbacks to the sport. He was lights out on third down and fourth down. Like, I don't know if you can continue that. I had a guy come up to me at the gym yesterday. Jay Mack, I'm a huge Eagles fan. Who do we have to worry about?

We're going back to the Super Bowl. I was like, Washington's pretty good, man. Well, they had, they spent a lot of money. They probably found between the draft and free agency, seven starters. Seven upgrades, and he'll be better as a sophomore than a rookie. I'm curious what the schedule looks like, but the arrow's pointing up for Jane,

in Washington. Final story is the Niners, Colin. They had an off-season drama-filled year last year. This off-season, things are quiet. It's just the Brock Purdy negotiations, but you don't see him scrubbing his social media, posting nonsense on Instagram. None of that crap. George Kittle has taken notice, and he's relieved things are going positively. I'm glad that we're not having a super drama-filled off-season. You know, I think every year my entire crew, we've had a quarterback controversy at some point, and to not kind of have that is going great. You know, just like when you have everybody in the building or a majority of the guys in the building, just the energy in the locker room's fantastic. The weight room's awesome. Guys are working

really hard. And you're like, we have a lot of new free agents this year. So you want to meet everybody. You want everybody to, you know, get to know you before you get into the grinding of training camp. Going to be a little, a bit of a scuffle for the Niners this year. Okay, well, I tagged you. Warren Sharps been doing some schedule stuff ahead of next week. What do you say? Niners schedule is cake. They might just waltz to 10 wins. Be careful. Do we have the schedule?

We have the opponents. We don't have the schedule order until, I think, next Wednesday. I'm just telling you, once this party thing settles, it's game on in San Fran. By the way, can I give you some, a little bit of props? That Aaron Rogers take on him waiting to sign until after the schedule? That's what the staff said this morning. That has been, that is being floated. That is amazing.

I love that. Remember, Jets had like six primetime games. No. Kirk Cousins, they used to. you know, Kirk was the one o'clock window guy. I think Brady got used to it. Dack can handle it.

But Peyton Manning can be kind of a rigid, you know, prep guy, a teeth clencher. Peyton didn't like it. Aaron reportedly doesn't love it. Cousins didn't like it. Just like anything else. You get older in life. You have habits.

You have things you like. Oh, I'm familiar. Yeah, yeah. And so I think I'll give older quarterbacks a pass. If Aaron's like, I'm not, I mean, I thought with the NFL did to Mahomes last year was ridiculous. They played on like five days of a week. Every network, every time.

I thought the NFL kind of used the chiefs. That's not changing this year. They're doing the same thing. But I will say, I think Jayden Daniels is going to have a bunch of prime time games. He's electric. That guy jumps off the screen. Rams will have some prime timers. Detroit, Philly, Washington, Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City.

The usual suspects. Yeah. Yeah. What do you do with Cincinnati? Don't love the team, love the quarterback. Is that a prime time team? I think Burl can carry it. You know, he was at the Met Gala.

I saw that. He did love the outfit. Didn't love the outfit. He wears things that I would be. Like, Barclay looked great. He was in like a talks or, you know, just. I didn't see his photos. Yeah, Joe Burrow goes a little, uh, Sabwafer.

He goes a little French for me. Instead of a trip to Paris, you do some duolingo over there? What's going on? Yeah, I do a little duolingo. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lod.

I got man I got some stuff today we have hold on one second all right I will say this so I was told according to an NBA player poll

that Tyrese Halliburton's the most overrated player in the league that's what the NBA players poll said I'm going to flip that I think he's the most underrated player Rick Carlisle last night a veteran head coach who I know did not use a timeout loose ball ball

He's like, bro, I trust you. You can go to that at the end of the game. They had a timeout to use. They wouldn't use it. That tells you they trust. They're a guy. Indie all season, by the way. I don't know if you know this.

All season long, the Pacers' second best record in one possession games. That's not because of your forwards. That's not because of your bench. That is your point guard. That is your facilitator. That's a Halliburton stat. So game seven, they're up. Cavs are up by 7 with 57 seconds left.

Even by Cleveland standards, this was humiliating. But here was Halliburton's game winner from last night. I want you to listen to this on Pacers Radio. Second one is short, and it's rebounded by Halliburton. Pacers have a timeout. Will they use it? Four seconds to go. Halliburton for three.

Three ball. Up top. Indiana by one. He wanted one-tenth seconds to go. You have got to be kidding me. He was 10 of 11 this year to tie a game or take the lead in the last two minutes. Ten of 11. I saw a clip this morning on the internet, and I went to the staff and I said,

that had to be a highlight package. That can't be real. It is. He was the most trustable guy to tie or take a lead under two minutes in the league. And you're telling me he's the most. over-rated player. And what really makes this stand out is that because Darius Garland is not available to point guard for the Cavs, they're leaning on Ty Jerome, who's a sixth man, he's not a number two score on your team. So they've got guys trying to, out of their depth, trying to be

top scores for Cleveland. So between Garland's absence and Halliburton's excellence late in games, it's becoming so obvious why this machine in Indiana works. The Pacers were because of Holy Hallie, who hit another game winner last night. And here was Halliburton on the game winner. It's a special feeling, man. It's a lot of fun. I mean, like any basketball fan or anybody who's involved in basketball at all, everybody in their life has imagined being a kid, being in the driveway, being in the living room,

time winding down in their head, shooting it, missing, putting more time on the clock. You know, all those things. Like, this is a kid's game, man. paid a lot of money to play a kids game so i'm just having fun out there and yeah i just having fun with what i'm doing and uh i uh really winning is fun eight points last two minutes and here's another thing and we're seeing this all through the playoffs he went back and stayed in college for a second year and became a lottery pick all you guys rush into the g league another NBA playoff performer you know he

has been really good in the plat. Mikhail Bridges' defense. Mikhail Bridges hasn't missed a game since like the seventh grade. I mean, I'm not joking when I say this. This idea, the NBA has marginalized college basketball over the last decade. I like Adam Silver. I think they've been a lousy job on this whole go to the G-League. The coaching's not as good.

The culture's not as good. It's all about getting buckets. Jalen Green has no offensive game. Jonathan Kaminga, talented. What is he? It's guys like Halley that go. Back to college. The loud coach, play among a collective in a basketball collegiate culture, make yourself a lottery pick.

I do not think it's a coincidence. Look at the Warriors, Draymond Green and Steph Curry and guys that spent a lot. Jimmy Butler, guys who spent years and years defining their games and maturing in college. Who's the one warrior that doesn't work? Caminga, right to the G-League. And it's nothing against the G League. College basketball, the NBA can't figure this out. College basketball is your ally.

It's your friend. NFL's always understood that about college football. You advertise and market and coach the hell out of the players, then hand them to us. We'll microwave them. They're ready to play. So the college basketball in March, there's no pressurized situation in the G League like March. You get better coaching in college basketball. basketball, you know, and then you go and have this tournament in March, which is like the NBA

playoff, sudden death, and these Duke kids and Kansas kids and Yukon kids. I mean, Dan Hurley's barked at him. Dan Hurley's a better coach than anybody in the G-League, and Dan Curley, the practices are hard, the practices are better. And then you get March in college basketball. You don't get any of that in the G-League. So these kids playing these wild environments on a college campus. G-League, there's parents and friends at the game. There's nobody at the game. A college basketball can look like an NBA playoff game where you get these situations where it's like, it's the biggest shot of your life. College basketball and college football are your friend for a pro league. NBA can't figure it out. Once again, Halliburton stayed in college an extra year.

He's got a defined offensive game. It's a little herky jerky. His mechanics are no as pretty, but it's I'll I'll die on this hill that the G league gets in the way of your development and college basketball I don't know Bill self Dan Hurley Tom Izzo Mark few or Gleague Gary who doesn't want to be there in front of playing in front of 38 people you tell me what matters going on the road in the big 10 or the big 12 or the ACC playing in Duke Cameron that intense pressure or G league What do you think develops a young player? Dying on that hill all day long. Coming up next, they give away draft picks like their office supplies. And I'll explain that next.

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I have preached this for years. Don't just chase money, chase leadership and management, talented people will make money. Matt Stafford reportedly gave up $20 million to stick around with the Rams and not go to the Giants or the Raiders. And listen, Matt Stafford is never going to struggle with egg prices. He could have struggled with a New York Giants offensive line. It's a smart move. And I think we know there's about seven or eight offensive coaches in this world that make your life easier as a quarterback. Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell, Andy Reid, McVeigh's up there,

Matt Lefleur, Sean Payton. Bo Nix is not turning in that rookie season with a defensive head coach. It ain't happening. That's Sean Peyton. So Matt Stafford got drafted by the Owens' 16 Lions. He knows the value of a great coach and a great organization. In 12 years, he won, had three playoffs in Detroit.

In four years, he's had three in the round. and they're favored by most smart people to win their division next year. So this is another prime example of Matt Stafford saying, I'm choosing the better coach, I'm choosing the better owner, I'm choosing the better O-line. Football is such a collaborative game. Now, this is something I've talked about before. And I also think Stafford, I don't think Matt Stafford worried about his legacy

when he was playing. But I do think at the end of anybody's career, I don't care if you're on Wall Street, Main Street, or a quarterback, or a golfer, you start thinking about legacy. I've always had this theory, that if Matt Stafford gets to another Super Bowl and wins, and I do think there's about six teams that could do it, and the Rams are one of them, I think Stafford will be viewed historically better than Aaron Rogers. So if you look at Aaron against Matt Stafford since the 2021 playoffs, It's just go look at the numbers here. Matt has become a much better playoff quarterback. They both have a Super Bowl. Matt was better than Aaron in high school, college, in the first four years in the NFL, and he's been better the last four years. Now, there was a 10-year run where Matt Stafford had to play for Detroit,

and Aaron got the organizational excellence and the offensive line consistency of Green Bay. So in his prime, Aaron was better than Stafford, but even Aaron acknowledged that guy in Detroit is really special. So I do think Matt Stafford looks at this, and if Aaron has another clunker, let's say, in Pittsburgh, and Stafford plays for two minimum, four potentially, and they're really good years, I think you're going to look at it differently. I really think you are. Stafford was a much better high school college and early quarterback than Aaron Rogers. Aaron didn't get on the field until what year four.

And Aaron is not in Stafford's class right now. Stafford's a fourth or fifth best quarterback in the league. Aaron's not top 12. He's not. He doesn't move anymore. So I think it's a real thing. And I think Stafford is probably smartly thinking about legacy. And if I get to another Super Bowl, I'm not getting there with the Raiders and the Giants,

I can do it with Kronki and McVeigh and Les Sneed and Pooka and the way they've drafted. I think you're going to look up at Stafford in three, to four years and maybe less than that. If he won another Super Bowl, I've got a lot of guys have won a Super Bowl. Not a lot of quarterbacks. The list gets very small, two or up. And I think Stafford has a chance to get there.

All right, here's the latest, Jay Mack. What do you make of it? Steph Curry, according to Shams, grade one, left hamstring strained. Will not play game two of the series. That's obvious. Sources say it's the first strained muscle of Steph Curry's career. So

timetable unclear due to the first rehab like this. That says here now the warriors expect Curry to miss at least one week with the grade one hamstring strain. Okay, they don't play again until Thursday. So they play, what is it today? Today, Wednesday? So they play

every other day. They're cooked. So according to a doctor on the internet, Dr. Chad GPD, Normal recovery time for a grade one hamstring tear, seven to 21 days. Okay, seven. The way Steph Curry plays basketball? Okay. He's out for the series. It's okay.

That's not for a pro athlete. That's for Larry working at the fudge factory. Right, but Steph Curry is running around, cutting. I mean, come on, there's no way he's back anytime soon. Well, when chat GPT tells you seven to 21 days, that's for a guy with a 44, waste, combover, who's a 27 handicap at the public course. Listen, I love Curry. He's my favorite player in sports right now.

I won him back. I would be shocked if he played again in the series. I hamstrick there, and you're running around from Anthony Edwards and company? No. Can they win another game without him? Is the question, Colin? You're probably right. Jimmy Butler, Pods.

I mean, pods can't make a shot. But he is defending. It all comes down if Kaminka could give you anything? It's got to be the. Buddy Healed and Jimmy Butler's show. So if he misses one week, he'll miss at least three games. Game two, game three, game four. Do you want Steph at 75%?

Do you react to Minnesota would win both games? They got on the road. They didn't come to L.A. and play well. San Francisco. No, no, in the last round. Minnesota played well in the road. Yeah, but the Lakers aren't very good. Let's be honest about that.

Lakers aren't the Warriors. They're not. They're not the Warriors. The Warriors had guys on the floor last night. lacrosse guys hitting baskets. Austin Reeves couldn't even get your basket. And he's your third best player. The difference between the Laker roster and the Warrior roster is not close.

So this should be Minnesota on a walkover? No, I'm saying that I think Golden State could win a game at home. I think they'll lose game two in Minnesota, game three. But do I think, I mean, listen, let's be honest about it. They have played such great defense that they'll, I mean, the last three games I don't think they've allowed over 90 points, have they? Yeah. Well, I bet it's Young Houston.

It's streaky Minnesota. Well, that's who they're playing. I think they can win one of the games. All you have to do, can they win one of the next three games? I think they can. And then just hold down the fort for Curry to come. Wait for reinforcements. I mean, game three and game four are going to be huge for the Warriors,

assuming they just lose games. I just think whenever I see this chat GPT and making predictions, it's like I always see this. The Western diet is horrible. No, no, if you eat like a long-haul trucker, the Western diet's horrible. I'm in America, and I eat intentionally, and you probably do too, although I will say, Sour Patch kids are now how I look at lunch. But I will say, you know, you can't just give me the broad. Well, it's one to ten days.

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