The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Giants, Durant, Patriots

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

The fights at New York Giants camp should tell you all you need to know Kevin Durant is doing whatever he can to get traded The Patriots don't seem to have a feel for offense and it's hurting Mac Jones   Guest: Peter SchragerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Until February. It's here. No lies told. Good with it. Well, two things are melting down on August 9th. Trump supporters and the New York Giants. Here's the very latest. Brawls. Not even a brawl.

Brawls, plural. Breaking out at Giants training camp involving players and coaches, an offensive line coach. Oh, good. Lord. This doesn't happen very often with a star quarterback. There's a clear leader. There is deference. By the way, the saints have had one of these this year. The Niners who don't have a star quarterback right now, right? Because Garapolo's not a lot of practice. The Giants have had one of these. It happens to the good teams too. But what you see, when you lack leadership, you have

workplace meltdowns. I've had a couple in my career. The office, you know, kind of blows up. It's not the employee's fault. It's not my co-worker's fault. It's not my fault. It's a management issue. When you have a star quarterback, first of all, the offense usually controls practice. The bad spurts are short. The good spurts are long. And the star quarterback, again, has that authority where, you don't get into that stuff when you have a star quarterback very often. When you don't have a star quarterback and you have a bad quarterback, you have to repeat stuff. Coaches get snarkier. Coaches get impatient. Players get impatient. Players get impatient. Listen, it's August 9th, right?

Like everybody wants to be very optimistic, but wide receivers, tight ends, running backs, offensive linemen. You can't fool professional football players. You can't fool professional athletes. Oftentimes, joy as my witness, I'll bring pro athletes, pro football players on the set. And I'll ask them, as a veteran player, when you see a rookie come into camp, how many practices does it take before you're like, guy can play, guy can't play. Almost to a player, they're like, yeah, two practices. Well, Daniel Jones been there a few years now, and he's not very good, right?

And you can't fool the players, and they're getting frustrated, and offense is getting manhandled, Giants have a pretty good defensive front, and this is what happens. It spirals out of control, so you don't have a star player and everybody in the building knows that it's the most important position. Or my crazy idea could solve some of this. Bring in Jimmy Garoppolo. Colin, we don't have cap space. Figure it out.

The Rams always do. Figure it out. The bad teams, the Bears can never figure out the cap. The good teams, the Saints and the Rams always do. Figure it out. Jimmy Garopolo's been to Super Bowls. All the players know it. Jimmy Garoppolo has won 70% of his starts.

He just beat Aaron Rogers at Lambo. Is Jimmy Garoppolo Josh Allen? No, he's not, but he wins a lot of football games and a lot of big football games that the Giants watch on TV because their season was really over in week nine. It's August 9th. It's melting down. I do not believe this would be happening if Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes were quarterbacks for the New York Giants.

When you're lacking leadership, it becomes finger pointing. You put Jimmy Garoppolo in there, and if you struggle with Jimmy G, guys got to point fingers at themselves. Guys got to look in the mirror. That guy's won. that guy elevated Debo Samuel. That guy helped make George Kittle a pro bowler. That guy beat Aaron Rogers. That guy gives the Rams trouble.

Maybe it's us. So when you get quarterback right, this is why I've never had a problem for like the Niners rolling the dice and giving up three picks for Trey Lance. It's a lot. But if you get it right, you're set for 12 years. I mean, I remember years ago when Washington drafted RG3 in the first pick and they drafted Kirk Cousins in the fourth round and they gave up a time. ton of picks and everybody freaked out.

They won a division. Despite all that, despite RG3 not really working out, giving up all those picks, they won a division a few years later, I believe. They were competitive. You can give up. The Rams don't even have a first round pick. When's the last time the Rams had one? If you get the quarterback right, it smooths out practice. It smooths out arguments.

It shortens crises. Everything is easier. And right now, you got coaches fighting, players fighting, because there's no deference. there's no star. The ugly moments in practice last longer. And the idea that Daniel Jones is, even with this smart new coaching staff, is going to suddenly become an accurate thrower with the football, I do not buy it. Years ago, you gave a quarterback three full seasons.

Years ago, you didn't have all these seven-on-seven camps. Years ago, you didn't have all these summer workouts. Kids didn't have quarterback mentors and coaches. So I'll give a guy. My feeling is, if I get a year of you, by the second year, Thanksgiving, I've made a decision. I don't need to go public with it, but I've sat down with my GM, my scouts, and my coaches, and I'm like, he's the guy or he's not the guy. It took us two hours in Justin Herbert's first start to figure out he was the guy.

Two hours. Remember that? They walked up to him right before the game against the Chiefs. The Chiefs, Malms, they said, hey, Tyrod Taylor had a medical problem. Can you start? By half time. We were all like, whoa. bro can play.

Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray first start. Whoa. Guy can play. Joe Burrow. Second start. Doesn't take that long. In 2022, second year Thanksgiving.

We know now what it is. And what it is is a problem. It is a problem. So you think that Jimmy G. thing doesn't make any sense. This, sticking with this, doesn't make any sense. All right. So speaking to New York,

you guys think I lean to California on my show. We're talking to Brooklyn now. So yesterday, I think it was at the end of our show, we had a real moment. So Kevin Durant sat down to his credit, sat down with the owner, which I like. He sat down with the owner of the Brooklyn Nets, Joe Ty and, uh, sigh. And he said, hey, I want to get rid of Steve Nash and the GM or, uh, trade me. So Shams came out, Joe Sy, Kevin Durant's like, listen, Sean Marks, the GM, Steve Nash, have to go or trade me. And then the owner came out a little bit later and said, yeah, our front office and coaching staff have my support. So now, what's the golden rule on this show when stories come out?

Whenever there's a breaking story, you've heard this, anybody listening to me for 20 years, I always go to the same thing. Who wanted this story out? I don't think the owner wanted this story out. I don't think Sean Marks and Steve Nash wanted out that Kevin Durant doesn't think they're any good. Kevin Durant's side wanted this out. Why? Because he wants out. And there was no movement in trade market.

And there's no movement because Miami wants him and Boston wants him. But the GM of Brooklyn's asking for a boatload. And so the fastest way to get fired or traded in any job is to call out your owner or call out your boss publicly. So Kevin calls out his boss and his coach, and that will speed things up. They're willing now to take less. You call out your GM. You call out your coach. It gets toxic.

Now they'll get him out of the building. What it shows you is Kevin Durant really wants out. He wants out. They couldn't make a trade partner. Not because people don't want Kevin. Miami wants him. Boston wants him. Phoenix wanted him.

But they were holding firm on, you know, seven picks and five players. So to me, I think sometimes you've got to cut your losses. I'd go to Boston. If you gave me Jalen Brown, a very, very good player. And I could put Jalen Brown, Kyrie Irving, Ben Simmons, Royce O'Neill, Joe Harris, Patty Mills on the floor next year. That's a playoff team. If Ben Simmons plays, then I think he will.

That's a playoff team. Well, that's all you were with Kevin Durant. What were you with Kevin Durant? Two first round exits and a second round exit. So to me, if you get Jalen Brown and a bench player from the Celtics, forget about the draft picks, they're not going to play for years. If you gave me Jalen Brown, who, by the way, is a great defensive player, so is Ben Simmons. Kyrie's not.

If you gave me Jalen Brown, Ben Simmons, Kyrie Irving, Royce O'Neill, Joe Harris, Patty Mills, that's a playoff team. Well, that's all you've been with Kevin Durant. You keep talking about sealing stuff with Kevin Durant. All you've been is a first and second roundout team. So what I'm not going to do... is blow up my front office again. You think the best coaches are available?

What coach is available now? The good guys are off the market. Tailu's not leaving the clippers to go to this mess. So you're not going to get a great coach. You're not going to get a great GM. Kevin's 34. Kevin's heard a lot. Kevin wasn't happy with Steve Kerr, great coach.

Kevin isn't happy with Billy Donovan, who I thought's at least a good coach. And he wasn't happy with Steve Nash, who appears to be a little overwhelmed, but as a smart guy, I know him could get better, like all of us. Pretty learned, pretty smart, play the game. And Jason Kidd, by the way,

is a better coach today than he was when he first came in. Why? Jason's smart. He's been around the league. Jason Kidd was a little overwhelmed first year or two. Jason Kidd got better as a coach. Ty Loo today is probably better when he first became a coach. I think Steve Nash will get better as a coach. Smart guy.

But the story here is, Kevin wanted this puppy out. Kevin wants out. This idea he'll come back. He'll get along. You put this out. You want to kind of embarrass or humiliate your boss. And so your boss says, forget it.

Get him out of the building. I'm ticked off. And so somebody's going to get Kevin Durant. My takeaway now is Kyrie's probably going to come back. He has no market. But Kevin's probably going to force their hand and he'll be somewhere. And it'll be very exciting. If you put Kevin Durant in Miami with most of that crew, it feels like a championship-level team.

I think Kevin Durant with Jason Tatum and Marcus Smart and Robert Williams to me feels like potentially a championship team. That's better for the NBA. He's not going to go to a bad team. And I don't think Brooklyn is terrible if they move off him and get Jalen Brown, a draft picker two, and a bench player. They got players. But I mean, what are you really giving up? He couldn't get you past the second round. So if you get into the playoffs and get bounced in the first round, that's what you've been, mostly with Kevin Durant.

All right. Speaking of melting down, holy, what a mess with the Patriots yesterday. I will say this. One of the things I've always liked, I have probably, I don't want to mention them because I don't want to, I've had, there's five or six people in this country, maybe six or seven people in this country, that do local radio or TV that I have great admiration for. I think they're very good. They all have one thing in common is that they're willing to call out local teams.

The worst thing in the world is when you get local people and local bloggers and they're just pom-pom waivers. No respect for that. But there are people all over the country through the years that have been willing to club their local team. And I have great respect for that because that's hard to do. You know, you go to the grocery store and you see the fans. You know, you go out to a restaurant, you see the fans.

They know who you are. They watch. So I always like when local reporters are willing to get, you know, hate mail from local fans, It's easy for me to come up here and take shots at people because I don't live in these cities. But it's harder when you're local. I got death threats in Las Vegas when I was critical of Tark. I got death threats. And, you know, in a weird way, it's sort of a badge of honor.

Like, you know, okay, I'm willing to say, you know, things that I thought were true at the time and they mostly were. So here we go in Foxborough. And it wasn't one reporter. It was like all of them. Crushing Belichick. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays and noon Easter. 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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found all these New England Patriot reporters in Boston. It's a big city with a pretty tough media. But, you know, when you cover a team for 20 years and they're the gold standard of the sport, you know, it's much tougher to take your wax at Belichick. Zach Cox, it's been ugly. The offense is ugly. Tom Curran, perpetually overwhelmed offense. Mike Reese, who I work with, it might be time to give Dante Scarnackia a call for an independent

evaluation. Greg Bedard's a pro. Arguably the worst start of offense to camp. Phil Perry, offense looks broken. It was apparently, and for all of the, and then I got a rundown of the plays, and they couldn't complete anything, three yards downfield. It was just a disaster. And I was thinking about this.

If you were, let's say you were a head coach in the NFL and you'd had a dynasty and you really privately did not like the owner, because the owner did something one time that really ticked you off. And you had your money, you had your legacy, you had your rings, and you were trying to sabotage the organization. Let's just pretend here. What would you do? If you were trying to sabotage it, you'd first of all tick off your superstar quarterback and he would leave town. Well, that happened.

You'd have your legendary older coaches retire at the same time. Get out of the building. Ernie Adams, Dante Scarnacue. You'd bring back failed coaches and then put. them in positions to fail. Matt Matricia, offensive coordinator, now that he's never done that, you would have really strange drafts where players have no real value around the league when you leave. Overpay for marginal free agents.

So they did that last year that handicaps you, at least in the short term for mobility financially. And oh, by the way, let go of really great players at key positions that have increasing value over the last five years, cornerback J.C. Jackson. No, they did all of those. I am in no way saying Bill Belichick privately doesn't like Robert Kraft, although I've read it in books. What I am saying is if you were trying to sabotage a NFL team, I think this is what you would do, a dynasty.

I mean, how many bad moves can they make? I mean, there's no precedent for taking a defensive coordinator who bombed as a head coach and moving them to offensive coordinator. We don't have a precedent for that. You wouldn't do that in high school. Even in high school, you'd be like, yeah, that's a defensive guy. We're not going to put Bob on run of the offense. He's a defensive guy.

Especially with a second-year quarterback who needs support. Look at how the Bengals treat Burrough and the chiefs have treated Mahomes and how the bills, even with a defensive coach, once again, keep giving Josh Allen better coaches, more support, drafting offensive linemen, another wide receiver. Patriots are going the outside. opposite way. And I'll tell you, it really feels like Blockbuster at the end where you have this business and they're doubling down and they're just the Hulus and the Amazons and the Netflix.

They're doing another business. And that's the Chiefs and the Rams and the Niners and all these smart offensive teams. They're literally in another business. And New England is even drafting Mac Jones. Mac Jones is old school. What you're not looking for in 2022 is a slightly undersized pocket passer with no ability once the play breaks down to make anything happen. Even the drafting of Mack Jones feels like it's old school and past sort of its time. It is, I mean, the Patriots have no feel for offense. How do I know that? They currently have the most expensive receiving core in the NFL and arguably the worst.

I mean, you can say what you want about the Packers receiving core. They got a couple of rookies here. And Sammy Watkins was good. Randall Cobb was good, but they're past their prime. I mean, we got nobody here. So it is, I mean, honestly, if you were trying to sabotage it, it would look like this. Tick off Brady, overpay for average free agents, weird draft, two brilliant coaches, old guys out, put guys in positions that are obviously in the NFL's never mid more offensive leaning. Maybe you could have done this in 1968 or 74.

The idea that a defensive coach is going to run your offense, I just, I think this organization does not have a feel for offense. How can you pay this much money for wide receivers and not have a single guy that can separate? Devonte Parker from Miami, they let him go. Of 131 receivers in the NFL, Warren Sharp, who does analytics, smart guy said he's separate. less than any other receiver the last two years. So I don't know. Obviously, I'm doing this a little tongue-in-cheek with a sabotage thing.

But, I mean, at some point, football's not that complicated. You take care of your star quarterbacks. If you get a young quarterback, you do everything you can with coaching, offensive line. You don't let Shaq Mason go. You draft a lot of receivers. You get really, really high-end-ride receivers. You don't go cheap but wide receiver. and you certainly in a division with Josh Allen, don't let go of your best corner.

Yikes, I don't get it. I just do not get it at all. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. We talked yesterday about the latest report out of Panthers Camp that the starting job is Baker Mayfield's to lose. That's right.

We might have a little more insight into the quarterback battle. Matt Rule is giving a ton of credit to his new quarterback's work in camp and his his ability to pick up the playbook. I think he's definitely improving. I mean, I shouldn't say I think. He's definitely improving. He gets more and more of a feel for what he can do at the line of scrimmage. And so those things are, you know, he's making, what he's done in 10 days is pretty

impressive or 10 practices, 11 practices. So he's making really good jumps. Well. Well, Baker's always been a smart guy. Sometimes he's too snarky. But I never thought, I never thought Baker Mayfield wouldn't be quick and pick up an offense. I know a lot of you really do believe that I have it out for certain athletes. It should be noted I was always tough on Carmelo Anthony.

I was right. Tough on Cam, I was right. Tough on Westbrook, I was right. I was tough on Baker in Cleveland. He blew it up. And I'm tough on Aaron Rogers. He is a little self-indulgent. But I do think I've said this to you before.

He's absolutely one of the 32 best quarterbacks on the planet. And I would probably put him at about 23, 24. He's absolutely a starting quarterback. Right now with Sam Darnold, you can't say that. Well, it might appear that the Panthers very much agree with you. Benjamin Albright reported that the Panthers are now shopping Sam Darnold. Now, they might have trouble finding a team that wants to take on his $18.8 million salary. At this point, I couldn't pay that for Sam.

I would have if I was Carolina because they were a mess. What I've seen now with two teams with two, by the way, Adam, Gaston, Rule, are offensive guys. and in both instances, I see this reckless play. I couldn't pay $18 million for Sam right now. I could not. He said that a league source denied the report, but I could see them asking around about Sam Darnold

if they feel strongly about Baker, but also with that salary, and if you can afford both of them, why not have them? Once you announce who the starter is in this situation... Don't you have to move off the other one? I mean, well, if he's too expensive to move off of... Now, listen, a lot of things can happen throughout the season, and maybe somebody gets desperate.

I don't know. You could really get desperate to the point where you want Sam Darnold. Like probably your backup is fine if you're in a situation like that, especially for that money. But I don't think there will be, this is a situation where you're going to have like a divided locker room or something like that. I feel like those things happen when the talent level is extremely close

and there's a lot of allegiances to the former quarterback. You know, there's a lot more emotion built up in the situation. Right. When you're talking about that. I don't think that's the case. Players want to win. They want the best player out there on the field. Of course.

That's at the end of the day, you can like someone and be friends with them. But if they're not going to get the job done, then that's just what it is. This is a competitive business at the end of the day. It's a business. Right. It's not about, you know, whose friends. I feel like the momentum is building towards Baker winning the job for week one. Well, this stuff getting out, pretty clear sign.

They didn't bring them there for nothing. Well, we both said he would start. We just didn't think it would be week one or two. Well, I thought Sam would have the edge as far as the system and the, and the playbook and all of that goes. And Baker was coming off of injuries. But Baker is the better quarterback when he's healthy and in a steady situation. I don't think Baker is a good quarterback.

I think he's had one good season and one one playoff game. Yeah. That's what he is. Yeah. And what he's going to be able to do is going to be very dependent on everyone else around him. Yeah. And we'll see how much Carolina has. So Lamar Jackson is entering the final year of his rookie contract.

Well, he hasn't gotten an extension from the Ravens, just yet. He did bulk up this offseason. He reportedly added 25 pounds of muscle. He visibly looks much bigger. Have you seen Lamar? Yeah. And by the way, there are athletes more than a few that don't commit like this. This is another Lamar Jackson reminder. The kids all in. Oh, I don't think there's any question. He loves football. That's not, that's not the question here. I think people get really caught up in how long is he going to be able to sustain his style of play, which is a fair question for six years from now. Do you feel like Lamar Jackson's going to take a step back in the next four to five years?

Absolutely not. And that's what the contract will be. That's what I say about Kyler. I do believe Kyler Murray's career. I've said this about Westbrook. I predicted Westbrook would have a precipitous fall off the cliff because it was so based on hyper-athleticism. There was no nuance to his game. Kyler's going to have a shorter career.

He's not going to have Brady because he's an instinct player. Ben, Cam, Vic, it ends really fast. But what do I care? I'm paying them for five years. Will Kyler be good in five years? Will Lamar be good in five years? Yes. Yes.

Next, I'll pay him. I don't understand it. It's just this insane conversation. Every time it comes up, it's like, wow, 10 years from now, I don't understand. Are we going to be able to breathe, like, the air in 10 years? Are we going to have a democracy in 10 years? I don't even know. I don't know.

I don't care. I'm worried about the next five years of what the contract is. Everyone just points to this Patrick Baham's contract, and everyone points to Brady. Brady is an outlier. Patrick Mahomes contract is an outlier. It's not reasonable. A contract would be five years, maybe six years, but realistically you're going forward to five years. So who cares what he's going to be in six years? Who cares who's going to be in five years? If you could have four years of this Lamar Jackson, are you taking it? Of course you are. Well, anyway, apparently this is adding to his throwing velocity, the extra muscle.

And John Harbaugh is putting the worries the rest of the weight could slow him down. I think he's back more in that direction a little bit with the COVID and all the different crazy things happened the last two years, it probably, you probably end up slimmed down. Probably don't, he just did for whatever reason. But I like him. I like the way he looks. I like what he's done with himself. And yeah, he hasn't slowed him down at all. It's very weird concerns about Lamar Jackson. Everyone always worried about Lamar Jackson. It is funny, isn't it? They're terrified. They're unbelievable. I don't know. What's going on with him? I don't know. Are you sure he's

not a tight end? No, it is, though. I've supported, I say this about Garoppolo and I say that's about Lamar. In the end, Lamar's better, obviously. But in the end, when you win 70 to 72% of your stars, I'm not, I don't really care about your ceiling. Because I believe all of us, you and me are ceiling, everybody's ceiling, even an actor, Tom Hanks, his ceiling was realized in his career when he got Steven Spielberg. Right? Like you're, but Tom Hanks was always talented. But, Lamar's ceiling will only be reached if he gets, you know, like perfect team. It's hard to win the Super Bowl. Like Brady's lost Super Bowls. So to me is, are you good, effective, productive,

and win three out of four times you play in the NFL? If the answer is yes, then I'm signing you as a quarterback. It's not even a question. It's silly. And to be this concerned about someone that does something better than anyone else in the league does it, he's the best running quarterback in the league, right? We all can agree with that. There's definitely other guys that have some talent, but nobody is as explosive as Lamar Jackson. So when you have someone that is extremely talented at something. Who cares? Everybody needs good teammates to win.

It's a team game. You can have the best offense ever. If your defense is blown open, it doesn't matter. It's a team game. So this idea, I don't even like that narrative. Like, I have everything perfect around him. Does he? Does he?

I feel like there's a lot of Super Bowls that have been won with like terrible rosters. So we have breaking news in the sports world today as Serena Williams has announced her tennis career is winding down and she has suggested that the U.S. Open will be her final tournament. She said she is trying to evolve away from tennis. She doesn't want to really use the word retirement, but she wants to grow her family and that is a reason behind the decision. She started her professional career in 1995. This is a part of a first-person essay that she has in Vogue this morning. I wasn't ready to win Wimbledon this year and I don't know if I'll be ready to win in New York, but I'm going to try and the lead-up tournaments will be fun. I know there's

a fan fantasy that I might have tied Margaret that day in London, then maybe beat her record in New York, and then a trophy ceremony say, see ya. It's a good fantasy, but I'm not looking for some ceremonial final on the court moment. I'm terrible at goodbyes, but I'm turning 41 this month and something's got to give. Well, she's the greatest women's tennis player of all time, which is saying something because you had back to Billy Jean King, Chris Everett, Steffey Graff, Martina Navratilova. I'm... And she's talking about Margaret Court, who has a singles grand slam title, all-time record. I mean, she's been playing since she was 14 years old.

She has 73 career singles titles, 23 grand slam titles. That's the most in the open era. God Lord. Four Olympic gold medals and 319 weeks at number one. I mean, she is not just one of the greatest female tennis players of all times. She's one of the greatest tennis players in history, male or female. She's just, there's really, it's really hard to define what.

what Serena has meant to, not just the sport, obviously, but just to sport. She's so dominance and such a big presence and big personality and always presented as herself. She's so authentic. She never leaned into like, I have to be this kind of personality and I have to be subdued. If I'm angry and I want to slam my tennis racket, the men do it and no one freaks out. Yeah. She was always defined in that space. And I mean, she's inspired tennis. in this country. Like, she's, she's the goat. She's just the greatest.

Yeah. She has an unbelievable essay in Vogue this morning. And her daughter, Olympia, is like holding up the other side of her dress. Her daughter's so cute. They have so many videos, you know, like the video they put together of Tiger and his son? Yeah. Oh, I love this stuff. Where they're like, they have all the same mannerisms.

Yes. It's so great to see her and her daughter of on the tennis court. But it's unbelievable career. And it's going to be hard to get a ticket to that tournament. You know, that's only, there's only one or two sporting events I've never been to. I've always wanted to go. And U.S. Open in Flushing Meadows has been one. But it always, it's like late August, early September. Yeah. It's football season. It's always just, I just can't find time. And I've had a couple of tennis buddies who have invited me. And it looks so fun.

It's under the lights, New York. It's, you get that warmth that's still warm, a little humid. There's been so many, you can go back to Jimmy Connors. There's been so many moments at the U.S. Open that have been so redeemable in the history of golf. And this will just add another. one. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays in noon

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I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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So, listen, it is hard to criticize a dynasty or a genius like a Belichick when you're a local reporter. But when seven different reporters have said this is a disaster, Mac Jones looks completely overwhelmed. It's a real thing. Okay. These are local guys who have to see Belichick and go to the grocery store and see fans.

Who do we blame? Like, how did we get here, Shregs? It's real. Mike Giardi covers this team for an FHLFL network and he's been on our show, a good morning football talking endlessly about how off the offense looks. And Greg Bedard does such a good job up there. He's been tweeting about anyone who's actually on the grounds has been saying that the defense is light years ahead of the offense. And you say, okay, well, they'll figure it out. But there's the same lingering question from the

summer, which was who's running the offense. You know, Belichick is historically a defensive coach. And he's a head coach. The offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels, left for Las Vegas. with him. He took Mick Lombardi. Mike Lombardi, our old friend, his son was working with the quarterback. He went with him to Vegas. So now you're left with Joe Judge, who's a special teams coach by a trade. Matt Patricia, who's a defensive coach by trade. And you got Vinnie Sonseri coaching the running backs. He's a cornerbacks coach by trade. You've got defensive coaches with a second year quarterback. Now you'd usually say be patient. They'll figure it out and that's fine. And I want to lean towards that. But from what we're hearing, Mac looks physically,

really good, but the offense is completely out of sync. And it might be a bit of a learning curve with all these new coaches in his ear and potentially running a new scheme when Josh McDaniels had him dialed in last year. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's hard enough to be a good coach on the side of the ball. You know, I mean, this is a hard sport. There's a lot of good coaches. So I've had, I was going to say, in 89, I was doing research on this because I'm a sick

pump, Marty Schottenheimer with the Browns was. like, you know what, I'm going to coach the offense. And it was like a big move. And it was a head coach and he went and it was fine. But like, that's how rare an instance this is for Belichick to basically be the one be like, don't worry, I got it to not have a proper offensive coordinator, offensive coach on the staff. So I've had three, I think three, four different people have told me tied to the Niners is,

listen, accuracy has been an issue with Tray Lance. He's a great athlete, very coachable. Some guys are never accurate. This has been my knock on Daniel. Jones. I just, I don't think he was accurate in college. Jake Locker came out of Washington and went to Tennessee. Great player. Just could not complete the ball accurately enough. What are you hearing on Trey Lance? What do you think? All right. So the Trey Lans deal is that there's great enthusiasm and optimism. And I know we both love Mike Silver and he's been doing that great work with you. And Silver did

say like, hey, like there's all this. But Mike's not wrong when he says that it's not going to happen overnight. And as great as they think he can be, there might be some hiccups in this thing. And the truth the matter is, he doesn't need to be the superstar Trey Lance that they drafted third overall this year. They've got an amazing left tackle in Trent Williams. They've got an amazing defense at all three levels, maybe the best middle linebacker and Fred Warner. And then, of course, they've got this great running game and this coach who can dial it up. The question, and I said the same thing with the Patriots. And I've spoken to other coaches about this.

They're like, no, no, that'll be fine. his offensive coordinator, well, we don't know. Kyle Shanahan is the guy who's going to be the head coach. Brian Greasy is the quarterback's coach. Brian Greasy has never coached. Never coached. Brian Greasy was calling Monday night football last year. So you've got the second year quarterback without Garapolo under center.

You've now have Trey Lance getting all this stuff. And Brian Greasy kind of learning things as well. Again, people will say Greasy's brilliant. He's great with quarterbacks. That'll be fine. But Kyle Shanahan's hands could be full. You got a second year quarterback who did not prove, much last year in his two and a half games of action.

And there's all this hope and enthusiasm. He doesn't have to be, you know, Patrick Mahomes this year. They've got a good enough team where they can win football games, especially in a water down NFC if Traylands just doesn't turn the ball over and makes a feast flash plays. So, you know, Matt Stafford, there's been some arm issues. I texted Les Sneed this weekend. What a less give, yeah.

Well, I mean, listen, it's annoying more than it is keeps you off the field. It's painful and annoying. There's a lot of different kinds of injuries. Most of these guys in this league by week three, everybody's hurt. Nobody's totally healthy. What do you make of the stories that Matt Stafford has, you know, severe pain in his throwing arm? Look, to your point, and to lessens and to all the people in that building that I speak with, and I speak with them often, they would rather Matt Stafford be out there slinging the ball.

But he's not every down. That said, he had a really good practice Saturday through the ball from what I'm told 60 yards on a pass. they feel confident that he's going to be just fine for this season. McVeigh would not have come back to the Rams with all the things that he could have done if he didn't think Stafford was going to be good to go. He wasn't coming back to coach John Wofford or whoever's going to be the backup for 17 games. They are fully confident that Stafford and this elbow, it's just about resting it and being ready for the regular season.

That said, would you rather him not have elbow issues after having an offseason where it was supposed to be addressed? Of course. It's real, but I don't think it's reason for concern. yet. I would also add that, you know, one of the reasons you're seeing so much Wofford is that the defense, with Stafford there not throwing so many passes, the defense needs to get their reps in, too. Wofford's the backup. He's played in some big games. He can challenge the defense and give the defense practice as well. Stafford not throwing the ball 60 times and not throwing the ball long isn't going to give the

defense any practice. So he's not going to play preseason. They were pretty certain in that. That was going to be the case anyway. But the hope is that Stafford is just fine. And I think they feel pretty confident that they running this thing back with Stafford, not with the backup quarterback this season. So you were the first guy to tell me, Coward, Patrick Mahomes is going to be a superstar. I said, I love that you give you credit. I said you went to Kansas City, had some good barbecue. Come on. You had too much barbecue sauce this weekend. Well, you were right. So give me a breakout guy. Give me a guy who legitimately people in the organization are going, oh, we found ourselves a gem here. Yeah, it's been the entire summer of a guy named Romeo Dobbs.

And you might be like, who the heck is Romeo Dobbs? Wasn't a college superstar. It was a fourth round pick out of Nevada to the Green Bay Packers. And I've seen this before from the Packers where they talk up some rookie and everything. This guy is making a play every single day. We're 10 days into training camp. And all anyone out of Green Bay wants to talk about is Romeo Dobbs. There he is.

We're number 87. I don't know if he's going to be a fantasy superstar. I don't know if he's even active week one. I'll tell you this, the first 10 days at a training camp, he has been the standout. Rogers has spoken highly of him. Alan Lassar has spoken highly about him. And I can tell you from sources there,

it's not just pumping up some random rookie. This guy has been excelling against NFL players right out of the gates. And we're talking about Eric Stokes, Jaira Alexander, Russell, top corners in the league. So if I'm watching anything week one in training camp, I want to see who's stepping up. And then if I want to look at it towards the season, who's Rogers' guy going to be?

And if this guy is actually as good as he's been playing in practice, again, through 10 days, we might have something here. And Rogers might be just fine having Alan Lazard, Romeo Dobbs, and Sammy Watkins and Christian Watson as his guys. How about that? Nevada. I've watched games up there before up in Renoids. Great little stadium. Chris Alt used to be the head coach.

They invented the pistol. Oh, I love it. They were in the pistol. I love that. They invented the pistol offense. Great stuff, Shreys. You look fantastic. Getting ready for a busy, busy, busy.

beehive of activity here in the fall. Good seeing you, buddy. You're the man. Joy, you're great. Love being on the show. All right. There we go. So how about that? You know, there's always the, I saw, I read a story the other day, Kansas City, seventh round drafted a running back. And they were like, oh my, there's a lot of football talent out there. There's a lot. Half the league is undrafted. It's, it's in, you know, guys that have unbelievable careers that come out of nowhere. Yeah, I mean, you know, I had a pretty successful career. It was drafted in the sixth round. Brady was pretty good. I mean, think about that. Even. Even. quarterbacks, Joe Montana not a first rounder, Russell Wilson,

Dak Prescott, Tom Brady. Now, most of the great ones are first round. Sure. But no, it's, they're, I mean, I, I remember the Chargers when they were in San Diego one year. And I don't, you could look it up. It's called Google. They got Antonio Gates, Hall of Fame tied end. I mean, just an unbelievable talent.

Yep. Undrafted. And then they got an interior offensive lineman. I think it was the same year undrafted. That made a Pro Bowl. two guys, same side of the ball. I could be wrong, but I think there was an offensive lineman. They may have gotten that year or the year before.

It felt like, and it's... It also should just tell you the difference between the sport of college football and professional football. I get it's just a different world. Yes. Sometimes you are... There are guys that have been better pros than college guys. Yeah, a lot.

Yeah. I mean, they're really coachable. They may have a lower ceiling, but they can adapt. Some guys don't adapt. Their bodies change. Absolutely. It happens to us, all of us. Hour to next.

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