The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Green Bay Packers, Trent Dilfer

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

In hour 1, Colin gives his opinion on how the Packers are desperate for leadership and seem to have gotten soft under Matt LaFleur. The Eagles may have won the division with last nights victory over the Cowboys. Trent Dilfer joins to talk the Packers woes, Tampa Bay and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, one hour from now where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, plenty of both. Jason McIntyre is joining us. The Jets want to look great. The Giants want and look great. Both took on big brands. Great. Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rogers, and both came out with, I got to be honest with you.

The Jets game was 27-10. It wasn't that close. It was not a competitive game. Down. Shannon Sharp taking a shot at me being a Jets fan. Shannon, come on. Jets, third-rated team right now in the AFC, Colin. They're on fire.

Undeniable. And you, I think, picked them on Friday. I did. But here's the thing. It was worse than that. The Jets only had 14 first downs. They were one for 11 on third down. They were old for the red zone.

They had 99 yards passing. And they blew out Green Bay at Lambo. Fans were booing in Green Bay. Finally coming to terms with it. Where does it start? Well, I've been on this now for two years. Somebody allowed Matt LaFleur into the VIP club, and he never paid his dues. Beating the Lions twice a year and the Bears twice a year, and then thinking you won 13 games,

and you won nine and faced the Lions and the Bears. What are they good at? What unit is overachieving? The answer is none. I thought their special teams play was pretty good until this weekend, and then it was brutal. And Aaron Rogers, for a team desperate for leadership, continues to be treated like American football royalty,

like how we should treat Josh Allen and Brady and Mahalms. That's how we treat Aaron Rogers. And yet the last two off-seasons, he's been manifesting his destiny and talking about wavering about retirement and the meaning of life. this is what it looks like. When you're sort of committed to football,

this is what it looks like. Because I don't know if the Jets are good, but what I saw it yesterday is an intense, committed, tough, passionate Jets team. That sideline looked like a college sideline. Those guys were all in. And then

you get the austere, Matt Lefleur, and the emotionally remote Aaron Rogers. It's almost like the British on the sideline, washing from a but the things that are disconnecting. I don't know if the jets are good, but I can see how much they care

because they didn't spend the off-season wavering on retirement and manifesting their destiny with some ethereal word salad, whatever that stuff means. When I look at Green Bay, I see a soft, divided, underachieving team dying for leadership. And where is it? Robert Sala, listen to this bite after the game. he knew exactly.

This is what the film said and the body language said about the Packers. Listen to this. The mindset to go 60 minutes and to give them 60% more and just keep giving them body blow after body blow after body blow and just keep hitting them, keep hitting them in the mouth.

O line, just keep pushing and just keep leaning on them and we felt like if we can just keep taking them down to deep water, they'll find out they can't swim. And it was just a mindset. He's like the seventh coach in three years to say that. make him uncomfortable. Corrine Bay doesn't like that. Been saying for years, Aaron Rogers is a bailer.

He's not a baller. He's great with a lead. He's great when the sun is shining and the birds are chirping. But when you trail and it's late and you're getting hit and things aren't working, this franchise curls up at the sight of adversity. And for the last three years, they've actually gotten away with it because they had the best quarterback receiver tandem arguably in the league and Aaron and Devonte. so they often played with a lead.

They played with a lead. But now they trail a lot, and Aaron's data historically is not good trailing. Now they need grit and toughness and ingenuity, and I don't think it's in their DNA. They are so desperate for leadership. They need a quarterback who talks about we and us, not wavering on retirement.

And even after the game, he always looks great and sounds smart, but it feels like Aaron talking about their issues, is above the issues. Nobody works harder than Matt on the plan each week, and nobody comes with better ideas than him and his staff. But if it's not working, it's not because those guys aren't grinding. It's because we're not executing.

If we think we have the right players, then we need to simplify things. If you don't, then that's all another conversation. Those guys, Matt, those guys, they need a weed. and in us. I just feel you're looking at a completely disconnected franchise, starving for leadership. I don't know if the Jets are any good. But you watch that sideline, you watch that coach, you watch that players, they are connected at the hip.

And that's a really powerful thing. Talent gets you so far in this league. Buffalo's got talent. Kansas City's got talent. You got to have more than talent. You got to be all in. and I kind of feel like, you know, that quarterback over my shoulder doesn't sound like he always is.

Kind of in, sort of in. And this is what it looks like when you're sort of in, kind of in. And waver constantly about your future. All right. Bill's Chiefs, best game of the day. You know, there's so much negativity and cynicism. Sometimes I just admire committed, passionate, talented people. These guys are just heavyweights.

They've met five times. the games are getting closer. Like, a rivalry means both teams can win. Ohio State, Michigan, everybody always lods it for being a great rivalry. It wasn't a rivalry for a decade until Michigan won last year. Alabama, Auburn's no longer a rivalry. Auburn's not competitive. Yankees Red Sox forever wasn't a great baseball rivalry.

It was a rivalry when the Red Sox won a World Series. Then it's a rivalry. This is a rivalry. This is a rivalry. I mean, the box score is incredible. passing. One team had 318 yards, one had 319 yards per play. Bill 6.2, Chief 6.3. They were both four for 11 on third down. Both had over 23 first downs. Both time of possession. Both 50% in the red zone. Both had the ball for about 30 minutes. I mean, this is Ali Frazier. This is two great

heavyweights in their prime. The NFL wants the league to look like this. The two best quarterbacks in the league, totally committed, totally embraceable, overlooked by a lot of schools, underdog mentality, and here they come, landing blows in their prime. It's Manning and Brady with more athleticism and more big plays. It's what the league really wants from its stars now. They've changed the rules to make it an offensive league to benefit skill players. They've changed the rules to get away with some nasty hitting. They want players to play longer and be healthier. And that's what this puppy is. It is flashy. It is fun. It is playmakers. It is athletic. And the reason it's the best rivalry in sports now. Because it's not about a who's better rivalry. That's not what this is.

It's a who's got the ball last rivalry. I don't feel anybody's got an edge. I mean, they played the last five games. They're all getting closer. Kansas City blew them out in one of those in the playoff game. Buffalo rolled Kansas City in one of the regular season games. Every time they play now, you can't fool each other. It's not like college where one team has better personnel, one team has, no, these are both great. They both do, I always feel like yesterday the difference was I thought Josh Allen got a little more help from his run game and a little more help from his defense.

And in this epic chess match, Buffalo moved a piece called Vaughn Miller up front. And now Kansas City in their next battle against these two and they will meet again, they'll probably move a chess piece, maybe make a move. Christian McCaffrey at the trading deadline, whatever you got to do. This is what a rivalry looks like. You don't feel like one's got a better coach or one's got better personnel or one is favored. I mean, literally Buffalo was the favorite going to Arrowhead. And what I love about this rivalry, the underdog in it is kind of viewed as Buffalo.

And in the last three meetings, Josh Allen has 10 total touchdowns, no interceptions, and a pass rating at 130. So Buffalo's got that chip on their shoulder, like they're the underdog in this rivalry, but I don't know if you put the rosters down. I think Buffalo's got a better overall roster. This is exactly what the NFL wants its league to look like. It's not always the way it works.

New England really wasn't a great dynasty. It wasn't very flashy. It wasn't fun. It was up in the Northeast. They won too much. They never felt like they had anybody that could really knock them off. This thing, they're going to go back and for CISA. Up, down, back, forth.

Nobody's got an advantage, and Andy Reid talked about it after. It was a great battle. You love these games. You just don't love to be sitting on this end of it. But you love the competition, and the way guys get after it. You get a chance to see two of the best quarterbacks in the National Football League, and they put on a display of good football. It is remarkable.

This is the only big rivalry in sports. where, and it doesn't matter if it's the bills of the chiefs, if one of them scores with a minute left, the first thing you think about is, oh, they left the other guy too much time. Like, this rivalry is never over. The whole time I'm like, well, 58 seconds, you can't give, you can't give that guy that.

You can't give Mahomes that kind of time. That's outrageous. The clock matters in this, more than any other rivalry in sport. The clock, it'd be like baseball, the last at bat, or the last service. tennis. This is a perfect rivalry. I could watch it tonight.

They played again tonight. I'd watch for four hours. I'd watch every bit of it. Go look at the box score how even these teams are. It is not a who's better rivalry. It is a who's got the ball last rivalry. Who's going to make the chess move this rivalry? That's what sports should be. All right, Cowboys lost, but in a way did they win? Tom Brady's screaming at people, and I'm here. This is Steve Kavino and Rich Davis. And together we are Covino and Rich. Kavino and Rich.

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Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do? a little Kim. Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here,

unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS. on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So the Eagles improved to 6 and 0, and Dallas, if you look at Philadelphia's schedule, the next 11 opponents, the best offense they will face is Dallas.

So Philadelphia is going to be very hard to catch. Dallas could very likely this morning be a wild card team. It's not like Dallas's remaining schedule is great, but they do face Philly's offense again, Minnesota's offense, and this week, Detroit off a by being humiliated. Lions will put some points on you. Philadelphia may have won the division last night, seriously. And the game looked a lot like I thought it would. I predicted Friday 2720.

I think Dallas physically stacks up. I like their front seven. They can discombobulate your offense, but it's the same old issues. Three turnovers for the Cowboys, none for the Eagles. Cowboys had five times the penalties. They had 10. And the Dallas head coach, Mike McCarthy, inexplicably on a challenge in the first half, C.D. Lamb reaches out.

Didn't challenge it. Philadelphia got the ball and got points out of it. Coaching gaffes, turnovers, beating them. themselves with penalties. This Cowboys team is talented, but they're not talented enough to overcome themselves. The Eagles are different. They literally don't turn it over. They have a plus 12 turnover differential. They take it away. They never give it back to you. And they know what they are. Philadelphia for six straight weeks has done mostly the same thing. They take leads. They don't turn it over. What they basically do is take a lead and then say, we have a really good pass rush.

and the best cornerback tandem in the league try to come back and beat us. And Dallas gave it a shot. Dallas moved the ball at the end. But this is really how Philadelphia wins because they do the exact same thing. You get the exact rinse and repeat. Philadelphia, they know exactly what they are

and exactly what they're not. And they play within that. Dallas is different. There's no real design. It's just a handful of playmakers. There's no real structure to Dallas. they've just got Trayvon Diggs and Micah Parsons and C.D. Lamb and these really talented guys. I don't think Philadelphia has that much more talent than Dallas.

Maybe on the offensive line. But I think the front sevens for both are excellent. Both have a star corner. You know, both have a go-to wide receiver. I think these teams are reasonably equal. But one of them knows exactly what they are and what they're not. And they play with a lead. and they've got great corners in a pass rush.

There is a construct and a style to Philadelphia's game. We're early in the season, and they may just run it and end up with 14 wins. They don't face another high-powered offense until Dallas with DAC later in the season. Nick Seriani after the win. There's no doubt that this is one of the best rivalries. This feels like Auburn, Alabama. This feels like Michigan, Ohio State. That's what this feels like.

And so, of course, you want to win the games against the teams in this division because, I mean, this is what's so cool about this division. Like, these are the hated rivalries, right? They're hated rivalries that, you know, that guys are still playing into, right? Sometimes I hear Michael Irvin talking about the rivalry that he has with Philadelphia. I think that's so cool. Eagles players of the past talking about how important this game is, you know, with Westbrook and McNabb and those guys, like, and Vic. Like, so I think that's really cool. this sport is not just about playmakers.

I mean, what makes the Warriors great is that they lean on the defensive guy Dramon, and then they've got their shooter, and Kvon Looney is now developed into a great rebounder, and Clay Thompson's the catch-and-shoot guy, Jordan pulls the first off-the-bench guy, tie him to a string. It's a community. They win the same way. They can rely on things. They know how to play and where they're going.

Dallas just has playmakers. really good playmakers. But I never feel like with Dallas, I get these big highs, I get these lows, they beat themselves, too many penalties, there's always a turnover, there's always a coaching gaff, and I think they'll eventually just hit a ceiling. Philadelphia's ceiling

is wide open. Here's J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, let's start with the New England Patriots. Wow. Bill Belichick keeps getting it done. He got

Bailey Zappy to throw for over 300 yards, two touchdowns. They really destroyed the Browns. 3815, a surprising beatdown. Bill Belichick now has 324 career wins, tied with George Hallis for the second most all-time. Belichick, who, by the way, did not go to Robert Kraft's wedding on Friday night. Interesting that he was not there. I think we'll talk about that later.

Patriots now 3-3 and 3. Browns are kind of flailing here. I don't see the big gap with Mac, Jones and Bailey Zappi. I think Max's probably better because he was the better high school player and the better college player and he's a little bigger. But when I watch this kid, he sees the field, gets rid of the ball quickly, it looks like he throws the ball where the coaches want him to throw the ball. He, Mac Jones got a little loose this year, a little frustrated with the coaches, talked about it publicly. I watched this kid and I don't think he's this

Uber talent, but distributes the ball, it's accurate, it's out quickly, it's going where it's designed to go, and it's like we know they'll be good defensively because they're always good defensively. I don't see the gap. You're supposed to be able to see the gap between Zach Wilson and the backup, or Mahomes and his backup. That's when you have a franchise guy. You can see the gap. I think Mack's probably better, but this kid gets rid of the ball fast and appears to be able to see the field, left side to right side. There's a legit quarterback controversy in New England. Fans are divided because Matt Jones, as you said, is sloppy with the ball. There's some Cooper rush in this kid, right? He's not making it.

a ton of mistakes. He did throw an interception yesterday, but didn't hurt him. The difference is, when I watch Cooper Rush, I see the ceiling. With Bailey Zappi, I kind of feel like, you know what? For what they want him to do with this defense, he's just as good as Mac Jones. And here's the problem for Mac Jones. This is going to work next week, too. I bet one game already for this week. Patriots hosting the Chicago Bears. What does Belichick do to first-time head coaches and young quarterbacks? This is going to be a beat down. And if Bailey Zappi doesn't make mistakes, I think Mac Jones could be in some trouble here. Like, how are you unseeding Bailey Zappy?

The schedule breaks really good for the England. I don't think Mac Jones is good enough for there to be a quarterback controversy. Yeah. I think this is a story of a team that drafted a quarterback one year and drafted a quarterback the next year. And the second guy they drafted, they're a better offense with him. Not saying he's more talented. Right. But I think the offense is better with Bailey Zappy than Mac Jones.

Remember, New England didn't give up anything for this. This wasn't the Niners giving up three first round picks. New England just drafted a guy that fell into their lap. And then the next year, they drafted another quarterback that fell into their lap. lap, and the offense appears to be better with the second guy. Forget talent. Who cares? I think Bailey Zappi runs the offense better than Mack Jones did. I don't care about who was better. I don't care about the stars to their rankings. It looks like to me the offense is better with him. And one quick word on Belichick. He put Kevin Stefansky in a body bag yesterday. Colin,

Nick Chubb held a 56 yards rushing. And basically Belichick said, we took away Chub, what do you got? And they had nothing. Jacoby Brissette looked like a third string quarterback. He was really putrid. I don't want to say he's on wobbly ground because they need Deshawn Watson badly, but Stafansky might have to fire a coach, like an assistant coach, a coordinator, something this week, because they do not look good. All right, next up, let's go to the G-Men, the New York Giants.

Wow. The luckiest five-and-one team in the league. Now, this, I don't know, I will say this. I will say this. This, to me, the Ravens was my favorite bet of the weekend, and I had a good weekend, but I, that's second half. This is the second straight week. I've watched the second half of football,

and the coaching for the Giants has been impeccable. Yeah, well, we talked about it in the preseason. Brian Daibble and Wink Martindale have been incredible. They were down 10 points in the fourth quarter, scored two touchdowns late. A lot of it was on Lamar Jackson, who we'll get too shortly. But the Giants have rallied back from at least a 10-point deficit, Colin, in three of their five wins this season. Yep.

This team is lucky. They're not good. I'm not bashing the Giants, Colin. We would agree. Listen, they were getting, they had 90 yards at halftime, okay? The Ravens had like 160 more yards of offense. The Giants, though, you know, we talked about it this week. Wink Martindale knows Lamar Jackson.

What did he do to Lamar late in the game? Confused the hell out of him. Lamar threw like a rookie year interception. Yes. And then got stripsacked by Tivodeau, the kid out of Oregon. Tivodeo's playing pretty well. He's looking good. He's looking good.

Good game against the Packers. Yeah. I just look at the NFC, Colin. And the NFC West is a dumpster fire. Everybody's 500, right? Packers are 500. The bucks are 500. The Giants, is this a wildcard team in the NFC, Colin?

So here, I was thinking about this. If we believe, and I think we both do, Philadelphia has got more pieces than the Giants and Cowboys. So it comes down to, if you look at the wild card teams, there's going to be three wild card teams. And I think Philadelphia, go look at Philadelphia schedule, folks. With that defense, the 13-win team, Philly. Minimum. Yeah. I mean, they face rookie quarterbacks, the Texans, the Colts.

They literally play the weakest offenses in the league. So Philadelphia is going to have a lot of wins. So I think the wild card is going to come down to Dallas and the New York Giants. Or could they get two wild cards in the division? I don't think so. So I'll say this, maybe because they beat each other up. Who would you take today Dallas Giants? I thought about this driving it.

I think I would take, and I'm telling you, coaching? Coaching matters. Turnovers? Who you got, Dayball or McCarthy? I'm just telling you. When I watch the Giants play, I think I would take the Giants to beat Dallas close. They would not beat themselves. Their defensive front-like Dallas disrupts things.

They know exactly what they are offensively. And all these, by the way, Daniel Jones and these young receivers, that's going to get better. Is it? I mean, Kenny Ghaladay is on the IR. The young kid Cadillian. They're going to trade. They're going to trade him. They're throwing to somebody named One Dale Robinson.

He's good players. Their leading receiver had 58 yards receiving. Colin, listen, this is a bigger story for later in the week. Eight teams in the NFL Sunday, one with their quarterback throwing for under 200 yards. And this is supposed to be a passing scoring league. Defenses have solved quarterbacks quickly in this league, Colin. It is kind of flipped. The Jets in there, the Giants, if you can win with defense special teams, something is afoot here in the league.

That is fine in the regular season. I'm going to take my homes and Alan and Brady. Of course. But you got to get there first. All right. Let's get to the final story. College football. Wow.

This was, I mean, listen, if not for NFL Sunday, we would probably open with the Tennessee Alabama game, which was amazing. We told everybody last week, this was going to be the best Saturday of the year. It delivered completely. So Tennessee gets the win. They rally to win 52-49. We gave them out on this show. People who were watching made a lot of money on our picks this weekend.

Tennessee moves up to third. Hendon Hooker, did we not tell the people, bet him to win the highson? He's got to be the Heism leader right now. 25-year-old guy incredibly, I'll tell you, I got to be honest with you. I don't think, I could be wrong on this. I think Georgia's the best team. I don't think there's a big gap between Ohio State, Tennessee, and Michigan. I'm not into Clemson.

I don't buy Clemson. And I think Alabama is just not the same football team. I mean, they're secondary. It's garbage. They can't stop anyway. So Hooker travels to Georgia for a really big game. I don't have the exact date. No, but I think Tennessee and Michigan are both for real.

I do not see. In the last 10 years, Ohio State, Michigan, I saw a total gap. This is the fastest Michigan team Harbaugh's ever had. They can run on both their secondary moves. So I don't think Ohio State Michigan there's a huge gap. I think Ohio State's better, barely. Tennessee, Georgia, there is such a gap. Tennessee's got a significantly better quarterback.

Somebody tried to make a case to me that three teams from the SEC could get to the playoffs. Tennessee, George Allen. They're all going to beat each other. Now, it gets wonky. like Alabama Beach, Georgia, you know, Tennessee somehow beat. I don't know. It could get weird. How about TCU, Colin?

Nobody's talking about it. Did you see that comeback? Down 24-7 against Oklahoma State. And their quarterback, Max Duggan, somebody texted me, an NFL guy, keep an eye on this kid, Duggan, however you say. Yeah, Max Duggan, yeah. He's got some potential. I don't know.

I'm just happy. College football. What are we going to talk about USC? That game was brutal. We're on time on today's show to talk about that long. Lincoln Riley. Oh, felt so bad for Caleb Williams, who is a superstar. All right, we'll talk about that later.

J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd-line news. So I thought this was interesting. Leadership is uncomfortable. Right? Leadership is sometimes saying things that are uncomfortable,

raising your volume to an uncomfortable level, barking at people. I wish it was just a woke fest and everybody just got along. But sometimes leadership is, it's ugly and it's uncomfortable. So I saw a story this weekend where, oh, Tom Brady is yelling at the offensive line. for Tampa and he was at a wedding Friday okay first of all the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been a dachary at a whiskey bar my entire life silly uneven underachieving rudderless goofy nobody that you really like ever orders a daccarry right you've never had a friend who loves dacqueries that's what they

are and then Brady arrives year one yells screams barks they win a Super Bowl last year the knock on Brady and we set it on this show he was indifferent after He wasn't yelling at people after November. He felt a little disengaged. We found out he wanted to retire. What happened? The team went back to being the Buccaneers without leadership. Year three, now he's back to barking.

I'm here for it. I mean, the Steelers didn't have T.J. Watt and still were in Brady's grill the entire afternoon. They were getting incredible pressure without T.J. Watt and without stunting. And he was upset. Well, he was at a wedding. He missed Fridays, walk around, and Saturday. Really? This is a guy that wrote a book on an avocado ice cream.

Doesn't drink a beer during the season. We're going to question Tom Brady's commitment. The guy's going through a personal crisis. He's got a brand new coach. Oh, yeah, that coach was fired his last job. They've had cluster injuries to the offensive line and wide receivers. And we're questioning Tom Brady's commitment. In the NFL in the last 20 years, there's one or two things you can't question.

Andy Reid's brilliance. Belichick's defensive strategy. Brady's commitment. Oh, God. He went to a wedding for six hours. Whatever. Folks, this is not a rookie receiver. He is the leadership quotient for this rudderless organization for most of my life,

and I once covered it for two years. Uneven, silly, no leadership. Tom barks, he did in year one. They won a Super Bowl. He's back to barking. Just trust Tom on this. He doesn't yell just to yell. Wouldn't you prefer your quarterback?

In Denver right now, Denver plays tonight. Isn't the knock-in? Russell Wilson's always too optimistic and doesn't confront anybody. And Kirk Cousins is too optimistic. Most of the quarterbacks that drive you crazy in this league are aloof, disconnected Aaron Rogers. Passive aggressive. Don't bark.

Tom does. Leadership's uncomfortable. It's volume. It's intensity. You know, ooh, he went to a wedding. Yes, he flew his private jet, up the road, went to a wedding, flew back to Pittsburgh, and made the Saturday night team meeting. I'm not losing sleep over it.

Maybe if it was Baker Mayfield. Yes, I would question his commitment. He had more commercials than touchdowns. I'm not questioning that with Brady. Brady has been the glue that pulled this thing together, the unifier, the guy that ties the string all together. And I think Tom Brady, this team right now is wobbling, and Brady can sit back and not bark or care.

I'm sorry. I'm for people that care. Kobe yelled, LeBron yelled, Michael punched, I'm for people that care. Shame on me. Here's Brady afterwards. We didn't earn it. We didn't earn the win. So it's a game of earning it and it's a game of playing well and performing well.

And we're just not doing a good job with that. I don't think we've done it for six weeks. I think we're all playing less than what we're capable of. It's all of us. It's a whole offense. It's a whole offense. We have to do a better job. The run game, the past game, everyone's got to do a better job.

obviously there's no position that's performing at any elite level right now. Yeah. It's a little bit like Green Bay, but at least with Tom, it's all of us. It's not Maddie's doing a good job, and those guys, maybe we have to simplify it. It's all of us, and I'm the most decorated player of us, and I'm going to bark occasionally at us. It's not like Brady doesn't hold himself to a high standard. He eats avocado ice cream. I wouldn't even buy it and sample it.

He's got shelves, refrigerators and freezer stocked with it. I'm good with barking. It happens. Sometimes leadership's a little uncomfortable. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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In fact, I saw a picture of it this weekend between the, they were showing the Ravens history, of the Giants game. Trent Dilfer is now joining us live. Lipscomb Academy head football coach in Nashville, Tennessee. So I watched Allen to Mahomes and I said, you know, I'm cynical enough and negative enough. Sometimes I just appreciate this is like Tiger Mickelson in their prime, although I always felt Tiger was going to hit the shot. I just watched these two and I'm in all of it. Like they, it's just different. It feels like these two quarterbacks have sort of separated from even the guys like Herbert that I love and Stafford that I love. What did you make a last night? Yeah, it's hard to disagree with that. You know, greatness is making the impossible look really easy. And that's what they do. They do some things that every other

quarterback looks at and goes, man, I'm messed around with that in practice. I've thought about that. Maybe I've done it every once in a while, but I haven't done it consistently. They consistently do things physically, athletically, intuitively, that nobody else can do. And for the most part, they do it pretty clean. Now, yesterday Mahomes gotten some troubles. First time I've

seen him get in trouble wearing the Superman cape. You know, both of his interceptions are his intuitively creative, off platform, drop the arm, buy some time plays, and he turns it over. And that has not been habitual for him. He has been pretty

consistent and not turn it over as he's trying to to make play. So it bit them a little bit yesterday, but both these guys are simply spectacular, and they just break down a defense so many different ways. I don't know if the Jets are good, but I can see something here. Like it's almost college feeling. I thought last year they were very uneven with Sala, but it was his first year. He's building something. This year, I feel like I kind of get the same team. There are limitations to what they can do. They're still, you know, they had a great draft. They're kind of young. But what are you seeing?

Because I thought they would upset Green Bay this weekend. I just love the energy. It's palpable on TV. Yeah, they're building their foundation in a true stone. Like their energy, their effort, their focus, they're buying in. You know, all that stuff's real. It's like if you're building a house and you just said, you know, we're going to invest a ton in the blueprints.

We're going to invest a ton in making sure we're building a house. house that can last for 200 years. This is storm tornadoes and floods and everything else that's coming. So all we know right now about the Jets is that the foundation has been laying. They're starting to, they're starting to frame it a little bit. And over years, now we'll get the drywall in. We'll get the countertops. We'll get the nice fancy appliances.

That'll all be the talent and the sizzle to it. But right now you see a foundation that is absolutely built in stone and it looks like it could last for a long time. and now they've got to beautify it over the next couple of years. You know, Philadelphia and Green Bay, to me, are the opposite. Is that Philadelphia, I feel like I know exactly what the game will look like. I'm not sure what Green Bay is trying to do. Aaron Jones, to me, is the second best offensive player.

And there are drives. He disappears. What do you do to, I mean, you're an offensive guy. You've got this powerful high school team. I feel like I can't identify what I can usually see great coaching. What are they trying to do in Green Bay? Yeah, I'd use the word conviction. I think you use the Eagles analogy, which is really true.

Like the Eagles have total conviction on the type of offense they're going to be. They're going to have this college flare misdire misdirection with really sound, time-tested NFL principles. And they committed to this. They have total conviction of what they're going to do. It fits their personnel. and that's why you're seeing wild success. I think for the Packers, they haven't been fully convicted on what they are.

You know, they lose Devante Adams, and they're like, okay, what are we going to be? Are we going to try to be what we were with him, but just do it with different people? Are we going to try to be more, which I thought they were going to morph into a hammer the ball between the sea gaps and play action past you and maybe have less volume of throws would make him impactful, take more shots, lean to their defense. Well, and then they're now, but now they're trying to do the stuff they did with Devante Adams, but without Devante Adams. They don't have a conviction on who they are offensively. And I think that's why you see Jones not getting the volume of carries. That's why I think you see the drop balls.

There's a confusion, an identity crisis with what they are offensively. You know, as you know, once we get to the end of the season, it really is. There's a regular season, even that's in quadrants, and then you get to the postseason. And generally in the postseason, the star quarterbacks, the margins are small. It'll be Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, whatever, making great plays. Philadelphia is interesting because right now in October, there's an argument, that's the best team. But I look at it and I think, okay, Jalen Hertz, toe to toe with, you know, this quarterbacker, that. Do you think this is sustainable?

Do you think the way they play now works in January, February? I do because it's run base. that this offense can travel. The ball's not in the air for a long time. You're not putting a lot into the conditions of the game. Now, I will say this. You've seen this happen in Baltimore with Lamar. I think you've seen this in Arizona with Kyler.

You've seen this with any offense that has this college flair to it or kind of takes the NFL, maybe makes it step back for a second. Regular season NFL is on a three-game study cycle. Basically, you're going to study three games. all the time you have and you're going to write your book, your game plan off about three weeks of evidence. Some teams will go four. I was around one team, they even went five.

But you get to the playoffs, and now you're looking at a 17-week book. And they'll go back, and they have 17 weeks of analytics, at 17 weeks of study, and there is no such thing as sleep. It's do or die. So you're really breaking down every, every aspect of this offense. I do think as the NFL becomes more familiar with what they're doing, a lot of its misdirection, a lot of its bells and whistles, you start breaking down in formation tendencies, down in distance, tendencies, finding other little tips that key into things.

I do think it may slow down a little bit. I think some of the explosive will go away. I think that's really, if you're looking for a stat, look at their explosive, plays over 20 plays now, and let's see if they maintain that stat in week 15, 16, 17, and really into the playoffs. And that's where I think you can get in trouble. If your offense is in sustainable or create explosive plays, once people understand you, it's going to be a lot harder to score. Yeah, whereas a Buffalo in Kansas City can sustain that because they've got quarterbacks doing

thing nobody else on the planet can. So I was saying Brady and year one in Tampa barked, and it worked. last year my knock on Tom was at November on he was kind of indifferent he's back to barking he's going through a personal crisis we all know that he they've had major injuries on the O line at wide receiver it's been a hard year for him this doesn't bother me does it bother you not at all and don't forget he did bark last year he did during the by week you know what I mean that and then they went on that hot streak afterwards and then you're right towards late in the season all everything seemed kind of rainbows and rose petals and then they lose I think that

he needs, I think this is actually absolutely appropriate. In fact, I think this is the recipe Tampa needs. They need an edge to them. Tom can bring that edge. You go back to the Billy O'Brien years in New England. You go back to a lot of the Josh McDaniels times with Tom Brady when they had that edge, when there was

conflict. Now I said this, it's conflict, it looks ugly, it hurts some people's feelings out there that don't like conflict. But when it's done right and it's healthy conflict, there's healthy resolution, it creates an edge on your football team and that edge is what his Tampa Bay Buccaneers team need.

So not only do I approve of it, I would encourage it when it's a Tom Brady that's setting that edge. You know, I'm not a quarterback expert, but I watch Bailey Zappy. Feet look good, gets rid of it fast. You know what? Sometimes Trent, the less talented guy, still works better with the offense. You don't have to be the most talented guy in the room. And he doesn't lack a whole lot of talent.

It was weird this off season. I did a huge Western Kentucky study. It wasn't for Bailey Zappi. was just studying their offense and some of the throwing principles. And after about six or seven games in, I was like, why isn't this guy getting more attention? Like, there's nothing he can't do throwing the football. And he shows functional quarterback athleticism, a lot like Mack Jones. Like, no, he's not going to make a stopwash explode.

He's not going to break any records in the short shuttle. He's not going to take a picture in front of the scouts and look great. But boy, when you just watch him play and you just watch the type of movement skills he has that are functional for a quarterback. And he looked at his throw catalog, meaning the total amounts of throws he can make fast, soft, touch, left, right, runaways deep, blah, blah, blah, I can go on and on and on. This guy's throw catalog was massive.

So I was a little bit surprised he went that late. I thought other people would kind of see that. You're always looking for a pure passer. A guy that has passing DNA and a guy that's been through a lot of adversity. This kid has been through a ton of adversity in his college years. Look at the program he left for Western Kentucky, how he built it, and what they became after he left. This is a difference maker, and I think now the Patriots have found two really good quarterbacks on the roster. And you know, Bill, he's going to find a way to create value for both of them and end up getting draft picks out of this thing.

All right. He's also got a podcast, the X's and O's with Trendilfer, Lipscomb Academy head football coach Nashville, Tennessee. Do you win this weekend? We are undefeated, but we play our rival this week, and they're really good. and we've got to play them at their place. Be thinking of us, Colin. All right. Better hope they don't bring in some Bailey Zappy off the bench, pal.

So good luck to you. Thanks, brother. Trent Delfer. No, I sat there and watched them and I'm like, you know what? He's not a big kid, but gets rid of that puppy quick. It's accurate. Some guys just throw an accurate football. It can't be, you know, some guy, you know, Justin Fields and Trey Lance, we've had this,

you know, it's not as aesthetically beautiful. Some guys just throw an easy football. It's just an easy look at. Kyler Murray throws a beautiful football. He's a baseball player. Bailey's Appie just out of his hands. It looks right. It's quick.

It gets there. The velocity's right. He's an easy for a little guy. He throws an easy ball. Let's be clear. This came against the Detroit Lions, one of the worst defenses in the league. And the Browns, I don't think Denzel wore

the top cornerback played yesterday. Cleveland's a disarray on defense. And he's going to do it again this week against the Bears. I'm just trying to add some positivity to America. I like what I saw from Bailey's Appie. That Tom Brady rant earlier was extremely positive. Colin way too positive. We're going to have words about that later.

Colin right, Colin wrong, hour two next in L.A. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

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