The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Grizzlies-Warriors, Tannehill, NCAA

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

Memphis set the tone early with Dillon Brooks' flagrant 2 foul Titans QB Ryan Tannehill didn't say anything wrong The NCAA is to blame for NIL getting out of hand Guest: Antonio DanielsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am going to take the rather uncomfortable position of defending people who you think are selfish, and greedy and too violent, and I'm going to defend them today. Joy, how are you? I'm doing great. Looking forward to the heat going up to O tonight. Yeah, Miami tonight, no Joe LMP, probably go up 2O. So Golden State, Memphis is fun.

Great series. So I want to start with that. So Dylan Brooks tackled a member of the Warriors last night. and it's very important when he tackled him. Nobody's talking about that. He tackled him very early in the game. Like right out of the shoot. Why was that?

Because they were sending a message. We may be kids. Golden State, you're not pushing us around. Payback for Draymond. I heard this all day, all night this morning. There is no room for what Dylan Brooks did. There actually is some room for it. It's called the bad boy Pistons and Ray Lewis's Baltimore Ravens.

There's all sorts of room for aggressiveness. Semi-violence, intimidation, sticking up for yourself. You know I love the Warriors and Draymond Green. But y'all out there glamorized in the good old days of the NBA. This was 1992. They've done 30 for 30s on moves like that. You know what they never did a 30 for 30 on? The Denver Nuggets that scored 130 a night.

Fat Lever, Dan Issel, Alex English. Y'all never did a 30 for 30 on that. They were pretty. You did it on the Knicks who had no guys that could shoot in the Pacer series. Like two guys in the series, one of them Reggie Miller could shoot. They tackled each other. 30 for 30. Bad boy pistons.

30 for 30. M.J. Punch Steve Kerr. Glamorized it. Oh, he knocked him down. He got hurt. Yeah, I don't want guys to get hurt. But you're the ones doing 30 for 30s. All the pretty.

That Steve Nash-Fenic Suns team? Where's the 30-for-30 for that? They were beautiful. There's also rules set up. So when you do this, there's a reason they have a flagrant too, because it happens all the time. It happens all the time, and then you get punished for it. This didn't come out of nowhere. It came out of defending yourself.

That's why Dylan Brooks did it right out of the gate. We're going to set the tone real early. you did that to our guy we're going to do this to your guy now Steve Kerr didn't like it thought it was over the line here's the Warriors head coach I don't know if it was intentional

but it was dirty and you know playoff basketball is supposed to be physical you know everybody's going to compete everybody's going to fight for everything but there's a code in this league there's a code that

players follow where you never put a guy's season slash career in jeopardy by taking somebody out in mid-air and clubbing him across the head and ultimately fracturing areas elbow. Broke the code. Dylan Brooks broke the code. Code to get hacked all the time.

And there's punishment for those who hack the code. But let's be honest about the code. The code moves all the code. a lot. It's sort of like America now has very flexible morality, depending on what side of the political spectrum you're on. Your morals aren't mine. Your code isn't mine. Baseball's got a million unwritten rules. Yes, there's a code. You don't want to end a career. Nobody's career was ended. But Memphis is going to lose this series because Golden State gets so many great open looks. Last night, they were seven for 38 on threes. The Warriors will win this series. But what was

introduced last night was intensity, which the NBA sorely last night. It was intensity, which the NBA sorely relax in the regular season and needs more of. It was very big brother and little brother. And I don't like to see athletes get hurt. It was a very, very hard foul. But nobody intended for a player to go to the hospital when you hard foul them. But I've sat and talked to athletes like Meta, Ray Lewis. And they're like, I like to make men cringe.

I like that sound when I heard a guy. I know it's uncomfortable for your children. watching now, but this is professional sports, not Little League, and intimidation's a big part of it. And what Memphis was saying is, no, no, no, no, no, we're at our house, we're down. We saw the Draymond thing, and you know I love Draymond, but we're going to send a message. We may be kids, we may be the little brothers, we're not going to let you pick on us. We're going to set the tone real early in this game. And they did, and they're going to have a player thrown out.

But there's a reason the league has this, because they deal with it all the time. There's a reason the NFL is a roughing the passer penalty. Personal foul penalties because players crossed the line. Break the code all the time. Break the code. I mean, Draymond Green got hurt, jabbed in the eye, banged up, a very physical player. And they were cheering that when he left the court. So by the way, the fans were saying, you pushed us, we push you, we're even.

Here was Draymond after. going to boo someone to get elbow in the eye and blood running out of your face. I could have had a concussion or anything. So if they're going to, if they're going to be that nasty, I can be nasty too. And I'm assuming the cheers was because they know I'll get fine. Great. I make $25 million a year. I should be just fine.

He makes $25 million a year. He can just be fine. Folks, we have a series. We have a series. One of the oldest teams is playing one of the young. youngest teams, and this was inevitable, that the old team was going to try to intimidate the young team, take advantage of their lack of nuance, and the young team was going to be like, no, we're not going to have any of that.

We know we're flawed, but we're not going to have any of that. And we have a series. And codes get broken, and I never root for anybody to get hurt. And I cannot wait to watch game three in the Bay Area. But this is sports. this is what we do 30 for 30s for. This is what we glamorize. Michael Jordan's teammates often said he was brutal, harsh, a blank hole.

He punched the teammate. He got guys fired. He got tackled. Michael Jordan early in his career, literally after losing to the pistons again, realized, I got to get stronger and bigger. Spent an entire offseason putting on 10 pounds of muscle. He's like, they're going to tackle me. Regardless of what the rules are, they can't stop me.

They're going to tackle me. So I just got to get ready for the cushion. I got to get ready. I got to get bigger. I got to get stronger. I got to deal with it. This is part of sports intimidation. Defending yourself.

I don't love the result of it. But everybody going crazy this morning. This is outrageous. No, it's not. I've seen it since 1972. I've been watching this stuff for 40 years. It's why I love it. I wish the NBA regular season had more of this,

which is that was a little inappropriate. Inappropriate makes good sports. Never rooting for an injury. Never want anybody to get heard. I don't like concussions. That's different. That's the result. But I thought Memphis was just saying, we may lose this series.

We will not be intimidated. We will not be pushed around. And you send a message and we're going to send one right back to you. Not saying I love it, but I get it. Speak of the getting it. Ryan Tannahill took a lot of heat yesterday. And it's important when you hear the sound bite to listen to the tone. Sometimes you'll see words written down.

You're like, that's harsh. I mean, people on Twitter, they don't even have a sarcasm emoji. I've said things before. Years and years ago, I said something about Adam Gase winning Super Bowls, totally sarcastic. Joey's here, totally tongue-in-cheek. People are to get seriously. It's like there's no sarcasm emoji.

Like they say 10 to 12 percent of America. doesn't get sarcasm. So tone matters. This is not mean-spirited by Ryan Tannihil. He's not taking a shot at the quarterback the Titans just drafted Malik Willis. But he did say this. We're competing against each other. We're watching the same tape. We're doing the same drills. I don't think it's my job to mentor him. But if he learns to me along the way, then that's a great thing. It's not his job to develop his replacement. There's only about 32 starting quarterback jobs in the NFL, some fluctuate week to week.

But for veteran quarterbacks and Tanna Hills, a sneaky old 34, the average salary is 27 million. Yeah, I'm not going to give that up anytime soon. Here's a guy, they just traded his star receiver, he's sneaky old, he's been hurt before, they just drafted his replacement. Ryan Tanniel's fighting for his life and fighting for his career. He just lost a home playoff game. Admitted he had to go to therapy. He is fighting for himself and fighting for his career.

It's not his job to develop his replacement. Some of you are naive. I love bringing young people on and assisting them. I'm not developing them to replace me. This is a good job. Not many like it. You can be two things at once. You can be a great teammate.

Malik asked you a question. Give him an answer. has a great practice, put your arm around him. This is great, man. You're doing a great job. But I'm not developing you to steal my job. Because companies, including NFL teams, they all, this company, all companies are developing a kind of bench where eventually they'd like to find somebody

they can pay a third to a half of what you make. It doesn't matter if you're a landscaper, a talk show host, and get the same production. They'd love to find Uncle Collins replacement and they pay them a third of what they pay. me. Of course they would. All companies want to do that. So in the end, what Ryan Tanny Hill is saying is, I can be two things. I can be good in the film. I can be a good guy. We can put your locker next to me. But I got one of the 32 best jobs in America. I'm not going to develop my era. And also, teams in the NFL, in all sports teams, don't like even star players. They don't like players getting in their personnel. We'll draft who we want to draft. You stay over there.

Now, occasionally, a star player, Aaron Rogers or LeBron James, has so much power, you got to let him have a say, right? I want Randall Cobb. Okay, we'll get Randall Cobb. I want Russell Westbrook. Okay, we'll get Russell Westbrook. But teams don't like that. So teams do not want players to get into their personnel business. So why the hell should Ryan Tanniel have to develop players?

Let's just draw a line. You develop and draft, I play. but you can't ask a player to develop players. That's a team's job and a coaching staff's job. That's not a player's job. By the way, Aaron Rogers was bothered by the mere suggestion that he could be replaced by a quarterback from Utah State. Tom Brady got Jimmy Garoppolo to the left coast.

He got him out of town. And those guys are superstars. Ryan Tanniel's fighting for his career. He's been hurt. He's 34. He finally gets a great head coach and Mike Vrable. He finally gets non-cauth out of Miami. He finally gets a legitimate general manager.

He finally gets a division he can win. He didn't have Tom Brady in it in the AMC East. He's finally in a playoff environment. And they trade a star receiver. They draft a quarterback. And we're all like, well, you just bring him in. Take your job. Folks, I'm going to be scratching and clawed.

This microphone are going to yank me off the set. I'm going to be holding on to this thing. And Ryan Tannahill, and anybody that's worked really hard and achieved something, has a right to not develop their replacement. There you go. So I'm defending selfish Ryan Tannahill and too hard afoul Dylan Brooks today. And I am here for it and completely satisfied with where I went on that, on both of them. Boy, there is

Bob Stoops is all worked up. Celtics clobbered the bucks. Baker Mayfield's looking for a home. A little bit like a stray cat. Could somebody take him in? Could somebody take Baker Mayfield in here? Lord, a guy's just begging. Just wants to put a little bowl of milk out there.

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Everybody's talking about the NCAA said yesterday, we are setting up a tuesday. task force to punish schools who do not have their donors under control with this NIL. Hmm. So the NCAA is upset, and I've defended the NCAA a lot on this show. They're upset that NIL is out of control. Yeah, it's out of control because the NCAA has lousy leadership. Part of owning a business or running a bureaucracy is being able to, it's a term used in business, see around corners, potential problems and landmines.

There was aggressive legislation, Florida, California, Texas. For the last eight years, how many times have Joy and I talked about athletic compensation for college kids? It's been a discussion since we've worked together. For years. The NCAA was stubborn, dismissive, ill-prepared, maybe blind. But it's not like this came out of nowhere. This was not a meteor. It's like legalized gambling.

The smartest people in my industry and the smartest companies, we knew it was coming eight years ago. Those companies and those individuals have benefited from it. The NCAA for six, seven years, was rigid. Coaches fighting, NIL. As legislation, bills were being passed to pay athletes. I saw a story this morning. Sports Illustrated spoke to more than a two dozen college stakeholders over the past six months for a wide-ranging story that revealed unregulated high-priced bidding awards for college football and men's basketball players.

The NIL has paved away for boosters to get involved striking deals with athletes. Well, where do you think the money was coming from? A local priest? Schools weren't going to pay it. Where did you think the money was coming from? it was coming from boosters who've been giving money to schools for years this is not a problem that you couldn't forecast

I mean even even with our weather the weathermen go on and give you a five and a seven day outlook they can see stuff out in the Pacific yeah this is going to be rain in six days we had like six years to get ready for this thing and now we are setting up a task force be very careful who you punish here. Like the Miami Hurricanes are right in their bullseye because they have a very powerful lawyer

and he's striking a deal. And everybody's like, oh, go get Miami. No, I think Miami's a little ahead of the curve, actually. I read the story on Mr. Ruiz, the attorney who owns a cigar boat company and another app that's very lucrative. And I read what the Miami Hurricanes and Mr. Ruiz are doing. And I'm like, I don't know. Seems like that's the way.

should do it. It's like a real business. It's like a real business. Kids are on a payroll. They want to punish Miami? I don't know if I'd punish Miami. I wish everybody was as slick as Miami. USC's not as slick as Miami. UCLA around the corner is not as slick as Miami. Miami seems to have their act together. I got kids on the payroll. But I have very little sympathy when you can see stuff coming for years and then you're like, wow, this is out of control. control. Folks like legalized gambling and college athletes getting paid. We've been talking about it for a decade. We knew it was coming seven years ago. You could smell it six years ago. And then it drops. And you're shocked? Joy and I have been on this now for years. College football is like a

$7 billion annual business. And it has no CEO. We were on this for two years. It's like this is a you problem. Don't blame Miami's boosters and Texas's boosters and Bama's boosters and U.S.C.'s boosters. This is a U problem. These are businessmen. These are entrepreneurs who don't want to fall behind. They love their schools. So Miami and Texas and

Bama and Ohio State and Michigan and UCLA and Arizona State or whatever university, they want to protect their schools. They went there. They've been huge donors forever. I trust them more than I trust the NCAA's leadership this morning.

Joy with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. You know what else has been happening for years? What? College athletes getting paid and gambling. Yeah. Do you know there was, I saw a story one time?

Two things also that are not new. There was $4 billion like bet on the Super Bowl in America before it was legal. I think three of it was in Hoboken, but $4 billion annual in America was bet on the Super Bowl. I think that's the number.

And it's like, it wasn't legal outside of Vegas. So, yeah, I mean, it's like, one thing if this is just an absolutely new thing. A gambling on sports, you didn't, you never heard of that before before it became legal. Okay. Somebody once said to me. No one's ever gotten a new car for signing with a particular college before. That's impossible. Somebody once said this to me years ago.

Do you feel bad when you make picks and miss? And I said, you ever get on a plane to Vegas? They're all full. People get willingly on planes fly to Vegas to lose money. They don't build those casinos because they win. I don't mind missing picks. I hit some, I miss some. What do you mean?

If you feel bad, what are you, God? It's not your wallet. It's not mine. What the hell you have in your wallet? The Celtics were without Marcus Smart last night, but they were still able to bounce back with a huge 109-86 game to win against the bucks. They pretty much controlled this entire of the game. They got out to a really hot start led by as much as 26.

And by as by as many as 26 in the third quarter, Jalen Brown did have an off night shooting. He had a game high, 30 points, 25 coming in the first half. He shook it off. But the defense also stepped up in Smart's absence, which is a big deal because that was a significant loss to not have Marcus Smart out there. But they limited Janus to 28 points with nine rebounds and seven assists and six turnovers after his game one triple double.

So now the series is tied 1-1 and heads to Milwaukee for game three on Saturday. Jailen Brown had 30 points. Jason team had 29. The game was over four minutes in. Yeah, it was Boston's night, start to finish. The downside to a seven game series, which you and I have also complained about, is that you get games like this. Milwaukee won the opener, and their takeaway is we got home court advantage.

Like, they didn't bring the intensity. In college basketball in March Madness, where the quality isn't very good, from the officiating to the coaching to the players, but you see the passion. Like, this was like five minutes in, you're like, all right, Milwaukee took the night off. Yeah. I mean, but this was a must win game. Oh, it was the season for Boston. Yeah, for Boston.

So they're going to bring everything they had. And they did. It was a very, very impressive game. The Bucks are favored by three in game three, according to Fox Bet. But I do love that Boston came out and played this way, because now you don't feel like it's going to be a short series. You do feel like you're going to get some action in game three. And because the way that game won when it was like, well,

yeah, bucks look like they're going to win this easily. I don't feel that way now. This could end up being a long series. And, you know, Marcus Smart, obviously. we'll hopefully get back and we're still waiting to find out about middleton. So in more injury news, Joel Embedde is still recovering from the orbital fracture and concussion that he suffered in last week against the Raptors, up 30. He'll be out again tonight, game two with the Sixers against the Heat.

Doc Rivers did have an encouraging update about his return. He said Embed did some work earlier this week and is doing a lot better, but he stopped there to avoid giving any false hope. So internally the team is reportedly still holding out. that he'll return this series holding out hope. And it could be as early as game three. So that report is still obviously in play that he would be back for games three or four.

But the heat really ran game one. And it did not look like they had anything outside of Joel Embed being out there. Like James Hardin adding 16 points, nine rebounds, and five turnovers is not going to get it done against the number one team in the East. I still give Philadelphia a shot, though. I do.

I mean, of course he still the shot. And if Joelle and B comes back. Oh, I like their players a lot. I do too. But are they a complete team? And do they have the scoring power that they need without Juel M.B? Is James Hardin going to be aggressive? Does he even have the capability of doing that?

All fair question. I feel like Miami's ceiling is lower. But I kind of know what I get every night. Good bench, good defense. Every night. They're very well coached. Oh, Spolstra, I think's the best coach in the league. Very consistent.

And they have shooters. So that's like Tyler Hero, just won six May of the year. Congratulations, by the way. You know, if he comes off and has a night like he did in game one and you don't have dwell and beat out there. I know, yeah. Someone else has to step up. So game two is tonight at 7.30 Eastern.

The heat are favored by eight, according to Fox Bet. And Mav's sons, game two is tonight at 10 Eastern. Suns are favored by six, according to Foxbat. So the Lakers, they are not in the postseason, but they are looking for their next head coach. and in true Lakers fashion, why would we go outside of the family to help find a new coach? So Phil Jackson is reportedly significantly involved in the organization's search committee. He was also consulted before the team hired Frank Vogel in 2019.

Now, surfacing, you would say, oh, well, it's Phil Jackson. I mean, what a better voice to get advice on hiring a coach than Phil Jackson, except for Phil Jackson is not really involved with the NBA at this point. How much is he going to give a step back, honest opinion about the organization as a whole? And once again, it's got to be in the Lakers family. Everything's got to be in the Lakers family. That's the Cowboys. Cowboys with a basketball.

I mean, look, they're both well run from the business branding side of this. Oh, they're huge brands. Huge brands. And operationally, the Lakers and Cowboys are. are brilliantly run. Operationally. Let's just take that out. Let's take out the operation side.

The business side. The business side of it. Let's get into the hoop and football side. Well, the Cowboys have won three playoff games in 25 years. God, that's incredible. So at the very least, the Lakers of Championships. Yes. And had one two years ago.

They just fired the coach that won a championship two years ago. They have had six coaches since Phil Jackson left in 2011, which is astonishing. Yeah. God, that's crazy. I mean, the candidates right now, Quinn Snyder, Nick Nurse, Mark Jackson, Darvinham, who's an assistant with the Bucks, and Juan Howard. I don't think Juan Howard is taking it. I don't know why Nick Nurse would ever get involved in that,

other than the fact that it's the Lakers brands, but you better get a long contract because you're probably not going to get an extension, and once things go sour, they're going to fire you. So I don't know, I don't even know what to make of the story. It's not surprising, but. once again, everything has to be within the Lakers family. You continue to do the same thing and expect a different result. And I don't know what that is except for crazy.

Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. You know, it's interesting. I want to talk about the Phil Jackson thing for a second. For the record, I was at a restaurant, a great restaurant, by the way, Italian restaurant,

Slay down in Manhattan Beach. And Phil Jackson walked in. Would not acknowledge my presence looked right at. Yeah, he doesn't like you. He doesn't like me. Phil doesn't like me. Didn't he run into Ann or something? And he liked Ann, my beautiful wife, but he doesn't like me. So I would say this, though. So this will be one of those things where Phil was listening.

And everybody's in LA kind of, if I say something, he'll hear it. I think Phil's a basketball genius. And I think Bill Belichick's a football genius. And the downside to being Bill Belichick and Phil Jackson is I do think they care about their industry and people. They're good people. I mean, Bill's a little crusty, but they're good people. but they are significantly smarter than 99% of the people in their profession. Not just smarter, but significantly smarter.

And they know it, but that's fine. The problem is that's not transferable. That's why Stephen Hawking's doesn't have a lot of protégés. Either does Elon Musk. Either did Steve Jobs. You never hear about young engineers. Well, I learned all the tricks from Elon Musk. Genius is not transferable.

Look at Phil Jackson's coaching tree. It's a stump. Steve Kerr. And I can't give him too much credit for Kerr because he had Popovich. He doesn't have a coaching tree. Phil's just smarter than people. Belichick's coaching tree sucks. He's just smarter than guys.

Proximity to genius. I could sit next to Elon Musk every day for a decade. My IQ would not go up one point. He's a genius. I talk sports. You can't transfer that. It's why Andy Reed is smart, and Sean McVey, they're smart. Their traits are more transferable.

Belichick grew up with a brilliant mother, spoke seven languages. His dad essentially was at the forefront of scouting. Bill is a mile ahead of everybody. Can't draft, but he's a mile ahead of everybody. And Phil Jackson's parents, similarly, he's very well-read. He's one of the most well-read people in sports. You watch that 30 for 30. watch that 30 for 30. Phil was the smartest guy there. Smarter than the owner, smart on the

GM, smarter than the players. It's why, by the way, a real smart player, Michael Jordan, listen to Phil when he talked. Phil's like, bro, you want to score 60 or win? I mean, Michael Jordan could have scored 50 a night, but he listened to Phil. And smart people do listen to Bill Belichick and Phil. But it's not transferable. And so if you look at Phil's coaching tree and Bill's coaching tree, they're stumps. You can't transfer what they can do. You can't transfer Steve Jobs. You can't transfer Stephen Hawking. And it's the downside to these incredibly insightful sages is that they're kind of on a little bit of an intellectual island for what they do. I'm not saying you shouldn't talk to Bill and Phil.

Buy them a drink, sit down. Don't talk. Just listen. But good luck getting it transferred. Because life is about choices, 30, 40, 50 a day. And as a basketball coach, it could be 100. And sometimes it just takes raw intellect. I mean, Phil Jackson was balancing Pat Riley and Jerry West and Jerry Buss, who according to winning time, had quite a social life. And Magic Johnson and he was balancing, not magic, he was balancing Kobe and he's balancing Shaq and he's balancing the brand and he's balancing Tex winner.

and then he goes to Chicago and it's MJ and it's Reinsdorf and it's Jerry Krauss and it's Rodman and it's and it's Pippet and he managed them. It's just juggling all these weird, funny, intense personalities at two stops, Midwest, West Coast and Ace both. And by the way, really good coaches, Del Harris before him and Doug Collins before him, really good coaches couldn't quite juggle it. they were winning. I mean, Dell was winning.

Doug was winning. But to Joy's point, Lakers always go to the rearview mirror whenever they want to change something or alter something or do something. It's always the rear view mirror, not the windshield. So I'm not criticizing Phil or Bill, but what I'm saying is,

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I am on the Defend Dylan Brooks Island today, and Antonio Daniels played for 13 years in the NBA. One of the broadcasters, great one for the Pelicans, what a nice first round series. Okay. Dylan Brooks isn't a bad guy, but they're the youngest team in the playoffs. They're at home. They're down. And Draymond Green went after one of their guys. So there's a reason that Dylan Brooks did this right out of the gate. He didn't wait to the third or fourth. He said, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to set the tone. You don't do that to my teammates. I'm going after one of years. And I think intimidation is part of sports. I don't like the result. But he didn't know he was.

going to bang up somebody's elbow. So what do you think? Listen, Colin. To say Draymond Green went at one of our guys is different. Because I'll be the first one to tell you. I didn't think Draymond deserved a flagrant two for that. You're not. We've all been playing basketball long enough,

especially as professional athletes, to know when someone is in a position to be hurt. We know that. It's like an unwritten rule. So when you actually go to the rim or someone else is going to the rim, you know when the guy's out of, okay, let me let that do go. See, here's the thing, Colin. This is the Draymond Green play, which I didn't think was a flagrant too. I thought it was a playoff foul.

I definitely thought it was a playoffout. Dr. Montreux's thought process was I'm going to make sure that Brandon Clark does not get a layup or a dump. I have no problem with that whatsoever. He even held him up. So now to come in the game two, three minutes in, and say, you know what? how we are going to retaliate. This is a completely different play that you're talking about. I'll be the first to tell you, I don't think Dylan Brooks is a dirty player,

but this right here 100% is a dirty play. Regardless of the results. Where do I have a right to defend my teammates? What can I do? What are my options now after you take out one of my guys that I get to go after your guy? Okay, when you say take out one of my guys, what does that mean? Brandon Carr got up and shot two free throws. It's not like Brandon Clark was wheeled off on a stretcher.

It's not like he was taken off on a wheelchair. He got him and shot two free throws. There are different ways to go about getting your message across. This isn't one of those ways. This is not one of those ways. And again, I will say this. I do not think Dylan Brooks is a dirty player, but anyone that has played the game at this level,

this is 100% a dirty play. Because he wound up, didn't even go after the ball, didn't jump, realize that he couldn't get it. Gary Payton, the second, was vulnerable. He was vulnerable. Anytime a guy takes off like that, he's vulnerable to not make a play on the ball and to swing at him. No, I'm not with that. He's not a dirty player, but that's 100% a dirty player.

Do you think the Warriors will retaliate in game three in the Bay Area? No. Would you? And this is where this is where playoff experience comes into play. This is where playoff experience is a factor to me. You know, you've been there before. If you are Steph Curry, if you're Draymond Green, if you're Clay Thompson, if you're Kevin Loney,

if you're Andre Agadala. You've been in this situation before. This is a conversation that you have in the locker room with Steve Kerr, because now you know that whoever the officiating crew is, their antennas will be up. So everything about it would be somewhat heightened. No, you don't retaliate. You know how you retaliate by going to win in a basketball game.

You know, I understand what you're saying. about Dylan Brooks wanting to set the tone for his team, there are different ways to go about doing that. I think the tone was set because they won the basketball game. You don't need dirty plays to set the tone. Playing hard, playing hard, being physical is the way to do it. You saw Boston yesterday step the tone with Milwaukee, with their physicality.

It had nothing to do with dirty plays, taking guys out of the air, hitting guys in a vulnerable position. It's just about winning the basketball game. We are not in the 80s, Colin. We got to readjust our goggles. Yeah. I don't know, they do a lot of 30 for 30s on those 80s series.

America seems to love those. I always hear how good the NBA was back in the 80s. I like it now. Everybody loves the 80s. I don't know. All right, how with this one? You know, that whole Zion thing with the Pelicans, I don't know. I don't know.

But I will say, after this playoff series, it was a pretty good series by the Pelicans. And then Zion was asked about it. He's like, I'd sign a contract in two seconds. I almost feel like Brandon Ingram the Pelicans, it was like a sales job to Zion. Like he looked at it and went, yeah, what am I doing? I better sign a contract. I thought it was such an impressive series by the Pelicans that it kind of made Zion. Because let's face it, when you're young, the world's your oyster, you got a lot of money and opportunities.

I thought the Pelicans were so good. It was very enticing to be one of part of that, to be part of that. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that thought process. We can go all the way back to the last time I was on your show, Colin. Were you on board? Nope. Nope.

Are you on board now? Yeah. I think I am. You know why? You know why? Because that bandwagon gets heavy. That bandwagon gets heavy. When you start out and you're 3 and 16 and then you go 33 and 30 after Willie Green has done a fantastic job.

And you know what? If there's nothing wrong with it being a quote unquote sales bitch to certain players. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that at all. We've seen it. we've seen the narrative change from a national perspective of what was thought of one time as the Pelicans and what's thought of as the Pelicans now

because you realize with a Brandon Ingram, with a C.J. McCollum, with a Zion Williamson, with a Yonan Valichunis, and Herb Jones with Willie Green as your head coach, that's dangerous. That's dangerous. So for Zion to say, you know what, man, this is something I would love to be a part of moving forward. What's the difference between me?

him and any other free Asian athlete or an athlete that has an opportunity to sign an extension to stay somewhere. You want to see growth. You want to see an opportunity to win and be relevant. And you know what? Zion saw that. I have no issue with that whatsoever. Him, B.I.

C.J. McCollum with Willie Green at the helm, it's going to be dangerous, Colin. Yeah, Herb Jones had a good series, too. I think a lot of us went, oh, okay, Herb Jones. No, you were good today. I told you I only wanted two topics today. love Draymond Green flipping the bird. I wasn't a big fan of that, were you? Okay, I wasn't, I understand why he did it, but I wasn't a fan of it. Okay.

I do understand why he did it. Obviously, Draymond Green, when you are in hospital, if you're in hostile territory, and what he said after the fact makes sense, what he's saying is, you don't know what my symptoms are. I could have walked off, I could have had a concussion, I could have, I could have my teeth knocked out, whatever it may be. Here's the thing. Everything is too So on one hand, like Kyrie Irving said, we cannot expect players just to completely be docile and take everything that's coming at there. Yeah. We can't.

We can't do it. And what he said was he did this, knowing that he was going to get fine. I tell you what my issue came, though. My issue came with what he said postgame with the fact of the amount of money that he's making. And the reason that's my issue is because of the current financial state of our country. Yeah. That's it. We are coming out of a global pandemic where people have lost their jobs. People are furloughed. People are struggling to make ends meet. So if you want to flip off the fans and say, you know what, I gladly pay the fine, leave it at that. But when you start throwing the amount of money that you're making into it, when many hardworking Americans are struggling to make ends meet, that's when my problem came. That was good stuff, Antonio. You're good today. You kind of scolded me for my take, and I'm okay with that. I sometimes I need a mentor in life. You are my mentor in this.

I appreciate it. Never that. Never that. Antonio Daniels, Pelicans, Bally, Sports, New Orleans. Great seeing you, my man. My man. Have a blessed day, brother. All right. He's so good. He usually comes on and yells at me.

I'm good. Rosillo's going to be on later. Come and yell at me. I'm good about that. I really am. You know, it is interesting. You know, there was this sort of narrative. Oh, the NBA is in big trouble.

You know what I see when I watch the NBA? Packed arenas, players that care so much, coaches screaming at officials. I see unbelievable, unbelievable passion. It's like college football. It's not dying. It needs to be tweaked. NBA's not perfect.

All these leagues have a whole. I mean, the NFL a few years ago was in a CTE battle trying to convince moms to let their kids play. The NBA, you know, they had some social, you know, they've always kind of leaned into social stuff that some fans don't want to, they want their sports here and their politics there and their social causes over. there and the NBA kind of puts them together. I'm okay with it. Some aren't. Baseball's got a pace of play issue. Soccer. Hockey's got a relevance issue. I'm watching

the NBA on television. It's drawn me into a TV. I think it's good. Really good. Last night, great. It's the hurt. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman helped make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and Hell Ed writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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