The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - How to handle Brock Purdy

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Colin gives 49ers GM John Lynch advice on how to approach the negotiations with QB Brock Purdy and how to avoid making a major mistake. He still can't believe Bill Belichick is a college coach and explains why he still thinks the 6-time Super Bowl champion will return to the NFL You can't put all the blame for the Bears season on Caleb Williams   Guest: Joel Klatt See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. You know, it's an interesting time right now in professional football. And so you have the halves and the half. knots are both being discussed at the same time. So as we look forward to the weekend of the halves, it's the Chargers, it's the Eagles, you know, it's Buffalo, it's Baltimore,

it's everybody except Kansas City and Detroit, they get buys. And then it's also fascinating to see what the other teams that did not make the playoffs. What are they going to do in Chicago? What are they going to do with the Raiders? So, J-Mack, it's an interesting week. And then you have a team that's been a half forever and suddenly was a have-not, San Francisco 49ers.

So they have been usually the team either waiting for a playoff game, one week or two, a buy or not a buy. A lot of these bad teams are bad forever. Like a lot of these bad, Raiders have been bad forever, bears have been ridiculous forever, and then there's the Niners. And they want to be and are usually in the halves, and now they're a half-not.

And they've got a big decision to make, because what you don't want to do is, make the wrong decision at quarterback, or you will stay a have-not forever. You make the bad decision there, or you become Dallas when you win when it doesn't matter, and you're never around in January and February to play. And so John Lynch, he is telling you now, we are signing Brock Purdy to a big deal. What we know about Brock is that he's our guy. We've got, you know, we have interest in Brock being around here for a long, long time.

He's done so much for our organization. He's won big games and had a little tougher task as we all did this year with some of the things that happened throughout the course of the year. We just never could string games where we were all together. And through that, he continued to lead. He continued to play at a high level. So we have every interest in him being around. Okay, so it's really interesting.

The Niners used to be a half, and now it looks like, oh, this year there a half not. So what we know is the eight teams that won their division all had the best quarterback. First time I can remember, do you think Brock Purdy is the kind of guy that will be a best quarterback in a division? I do not. You have to reframe the discussion on Brock Purdy. It has to go from, ooh, look what he's done to what can he do? because once he gobbles up a big chunk of the salary, he plays with less talented players.

Remember, Jared Goff before he got paid in L.A., Sean McVeigh loved him, and then he paid him, and he didn't love him so much. If you ever wonder if you should pay a quarterback, ask yourself one question. What does our rival think? Because Buffalo loved it when Miami paid two a, big boy money. Buffalo loved it. He's one and eight against the bills and he can't play when it's

cold. Buffalo loved Tua signing a long-term deal. By the way, the Eagles loved. Daniel Jones signing up for more money with the New York Giants. What do you think Sean McVe thinks with Matt Stafford? Ooh, scary. Brock Purdy. Nope. Sean McVeigh, This year, next, probably the following year, will have the best quarterback. So ask yourself, it's not about what he's done. It's about what can he do once you take people away from him. Scheme and stats. This is where Tua and Purdy are very similar.

The scheme and the stats make you go, ooh, eye test, eh. Hammondegger. Little small, weather affected, need certain ways. Weapons, lose weapons, not as good. And what's interesting with the Niners is you already have the answer. How many games you win this year? Without Christian McCaffrey. Trent Williams hurt.

Brandon Ayuk hurt. You got the answer. Would you win? Six, seven, eight games? You got the answer in front of you. So if you're the Niners, you have to reframe the question. And here's something else, because you want to be playing this weekend, the halves. There's 14 halves.

And that means there's, what are you got, 18 have-noughts, and the Niners are in the have-nots. And one thing we know, if you have a great quarterback, and Purdy's not that, in my opinion, you're not going to be winning your division going forward. I mean, good God, Kyle Shanahan, boy genius, has a losing record in San Francisco without Christian McCaffrey. Sean McVeigh doesn't have losing seasons often. Shanney's had him. So one of the disturbing trends is, That Stafford needs McVeigh, but is he totally reliant on McVeigh?

Because the stats this year for Brock Purdy are disturbing. In the first and second quarter, the schemed quarter, his passer rating is excellent. In the third and fourth quarters, the non-schemed quarters, he has a passer rating that should pay you about $16 million a year. not 58. And so it is an interesting time for the San Francisco 49ers. They used to be in one group, now they're in the other.

And the only thing that guarantees no Super Bowls is paying a B quarterback A money. You win a bunch of games, so does Dallas, but nobody will take you serious come January. Big decisions. the idea of paying him early has never made any sense. I would let it play out. Oh, by the way, he got hurt again this year. So I saw this story yesterday, Belichick, Bill Belichick made sure, as he's on the recruiting trail, he made sure to get a hold of a couple of sources or his people did to say,

I am not going back to the NFL because it's hurt in recruiting. And here's the thing. Bill Belichick did such a great job, and you've had this before in your life. Somebody does such a great job doing something. It's the only way I can see them. It's like The Rock. The Rock is an action star. He could do a rom-com, but if you're trying to convince me,

he's going to give up action films for rom-coms. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. His personality is an action film, his experience with wrestling, his physique is an action film star. The Rock does action films. I don't want him crying a lot on screen. I don't want Rock being too tender and huggable.

That's not who he is and that's not what he is and that's not what he's built to be. Bill Velichick is a pro coach. He is much more ROTC than NIL. He is rigid. He doesn't pander. He doesn't have time for small talk and that's what college football is. Hi, volleyball coach. Hey, recruit.

Nice to meet you, Mr. Donor. I've always thought it's easier. Although the coaching is much better in pro football than college, it's much easier to go psychologically college to pro. Just more football and less nonsense. It's very difficult to be a great pro coach and have to go backwards to college. A lot of handshakes, a lot of pandering, a lot of small talk. I mean, Bill hates mistakes.

what do 18 and 19 and 20-year-old boys do? Make a lot of mistakes in football and out of it. There's a reason Belichick is an NFL historian. He loves great players, and great players play at Georgia, and they play at Notre Dame, and they play at Ohio State, and they play at Alabama and LSU. A lot of great players don't play at Carolina.

Now, Bill has the advantage of being a big brand, and some kids may want to play for them, especially defensive players. But Bill was so great at the NFL, I just can't buy into, I don't care what sources say about, you know, Bill, because I saw the story this morning, Bill's got no interest going back to the NFL. Yeah, and The Rock would have no interest going back to action films of somebody offered him 30 large for one. I'm sorry, that's who Bill is. That's his experience. That's his personality. That's who he is.

and so I would love to see Bill because some of these offensive coaches, they age well. Sean Payton age as well, Drew Brees, old as yesterday. Andy Reed is aging well. You see these old offensive coaches don't generally age as well because they don't necessarily, you know, they're not necessarily always the best adapters. And college football, NIL portal is all about adapting.

So it just, it's almost like Belichick staying in college. It's like, you know, New Year's resolutions. You can tell me you're going to go to the gym every day. You can tell me you're going to keep your New Year's resolution and you're going to eat better. You know, about three weeks in, you start to kind of fade off that. Nine weeks in, you drive by the gym and think you should go. And 12 weeks in, you just don't eat. You take a different way to work.

Like, like, so you're getting me to buy into Bella. is going to love this college football thing. I can't. I just can't do it. He was so great at one thing, I don't buy the other thing. That's where I stand on it. And I still contend. Philadelphia or Buffalo get bounced early in the playoffs,

and I don't think they will. I think Philadelphia is going to beat Green Bay. I think Buffalo is going to win at home against Denver. I do. But if they got bounced, you are having absolute phone calls to Belichick. My belief is he would pick up the phone for both. All right, J-Mack, we got so many things this weekend.

I'm starting to really feel good about my picks this weekend. The one game I'm going to stay away from, and you feel strongest about it, is Rams Vikings. You love Los Angeles. I like Minnesota, but I am concerned you have been so good this year. I may just want to stay away. It's the J-Mack factor. Wow.

You can say that in college, but I don't have a strong feeling starting tonight with Notre Dame Penn State. I think we both, we're going to go watch that together. I think we both know what it's going to look like. Very physical, a lot of defense, low scoring. By the way, two NFL quarterbacks. One, I like a lot. One, you don't. But you have two very talented quarterbacks, two very young, energetic recruiters, two huge brands.

I don't see a ton of offense tonight. I would agree. It's a field goal game, a turnover game, a penalty game. Like, it's going to be fewest mistakes wins. Yeah, this is like an appetizer for the five days of football we get. You know, it's a shrimp cocktail kind of game. Yeah, yeah. Decent.

I like Notre Dame. Yeah. And I mean 2320 like Notre Dame. What say you? No, the 17, 16 Irish. Okay. And we both had Notre Dame over Georgia. I do like Ohio State over Texas as well tomorrow.

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A lot of the executive sweet stuff to me is political and it doesn't feel centered. But Ryan Poles, a young GM, did say something because I've pushed back on this whole, hey, hire Ben Johnson, he'll fix Caleb Williams. All right, that's part of it. Here's Ryan Poles. Obviously, there's ideal fit, but at the end of the day, you've got to look at all the characteristics of what you're looking for in the head coach. And then you've got to see what's the best bundle of those.

to bring in the building. Obviously, we're talking about leadership accountability, some of those important things that carry over to ignore those just to go to the other side, I think it's a bad deal too. Yeah, so I agree with this. The Chicago Bears hire can't just be about Caleb Williams. Again, it's like getting in, being healthier

and losing weight can't just be about the gym. You've got to eat better and sleep better. It's got to be holistic, maybe a little less alcohol, you know, and then you at the gym. It's got to be holistic. And when it comes to the bears, I mean, they got to go all the way down to the gut health. They need cases of kombucha. This is not just a, hey, let's hire a whiz kid. It'll solve everything.

Nah, bro, the gym won't solve everything. Can't go Taco Bell four times a week. Got to do better than that. That's why I've said Mike Vrable and Pete Carroll, I think they'd be good hires. They're defensive guys because they're cultural. creators. They've created run games, good defenses. So the quarterback is important, but not the only thing. Maximizing Caleb Williams and maximizing a quarterback has its perils. Buffalo, in my opinion, and the Bengals are too quarterback reliant. Kansas City was able to win this year

when Mahomes wasn't playing great football. Yes, believe it or not, sometimes great quarterbacks have bad stretches. Mahomes has had a few through the years. But Kansas City is more than just Mahomes. It's Steve Spagnola and that defense. And when Pacheco's healthy, a run game and a great tight end and physicality and intelligence. So the Philadelphia staff has said, you know what, we want Jalen Hertz throwing less. And they've won more. Lamar Jackson won the MVP. Baltimore said, let's get him Derek Henry. They didn't say more Lamar. He won a game this year. completing, I think, 10 passes.

So this whole thing about just maximize Caleb. What Caleb Williams needs is protection. O-line stunk this year. You know my rule in football. Find the quarterback, protect the quarterback, draft guys who make the other quarterbacks life uncomfortable. The three-step plan. You worry about wide receivers running backs later.

Quarterback can protect him. Chicago has the quarterback. They couldn't protect him. So they got to solve the O-line. He needs protection. and guidance. He doesn't need to be shot out of a cannon every week. That's not

what wins in this league. For years and it took Buffalo years to figure this out. They finally went and got Kid K the tied in and James Cook the running back. It was basically, you were asking Josh Allen to be Superman every week. Think how great Joe Burrow is. On any Sunday, the best quarterback in the league, did not make the playoffs.

They're too reliant on him. So to me, the Ben Johnson, let's just hire a Wiz kid. Can he change the culture? Can he hire a good staff? It's not just about the gym. You've got to eat better. It's not just about Caleb.

And that, I mean, I was looking at a stat this morning on Jalen Hertz. Seven and a half fewer pass attempts per game this year. And I think there have been moments. It's been the best Jalen Hertz. Matt LaFleur has asked Jordan Love to throw less. They acquired Josh Jacobs, run more. So I don't need my quarterback. shot out of a cannon. I don't want to be quarterback

reliant. If you told me Caleb Williams, they get a coach, whoever it is, and Caleb throws 28 times a game and rushes five. I'm good. You can go look at Dax's career. When he throws over 38 times a game, he has a losing record. I remember when Kobe Bryant was in his prime,

if he scored over 40, the Lakers were less successful. I mean, Michael Jordan's a great example. Speaking of Chicago, Michael loved Doug Collins. Doug put the ball in his hands, score however many you want. Phil Jackson came in and said, you want to be a score or you want to hoist trophies.

You've got to trust your teammates, right? You've got to trust Kerr, and you've got to trust Luke Longley and Scotty Pippen and others and Paxson to hit jumpers. So Chicago's got a history of it. It wasn't just about Jordan. It was Ron Harper and Rodman and Pippen and the length and the perimeter shooters. That's when Jordan won trophies.

is not just a Caleb thing. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with Jalen Hertz returning from his concussion. He returned to practice yesterday in limited fashion. Offensive tackle, Jordan Milata said Hertz came back with energy, high energy, and looked sharp. But to be clear, Hertz has not officially been cleared of the concussion protocol.

I don't know, it's sounding like he's going to play in the game. Eagles are four and a half point favorites. I think Philly's going to use the run game to their advantage because the Packers' run defense has been a little hot and cold. Packers' defense this year has been, it's been good takeaways, but it's been a bit hot and cold. Yeah, and they want to play the cover two and, like, you know, we'll give up the run game, no big plays over the top.

Right. So they just feed Sequin Barclay. This could be 25 carries for Barclay. Yeah, it feels like between the concussion and the way Green Bay plays. plays, defense. What you don't want to do, you don't want to go to Philadelphia and get beat over the top with a home run ball early. The crowd's going crazy. And then you become pass-centric because you have to. You'd like to slow this game down. I think both teams want to run the football. I think it could be a quick game. I think it's going to be Josh Jacobs, say Juan Barclay. I don't think either staff wants

their quarterback throwing 35. You don't want to send Jordan Love on the road with that pass rush throwing 37 times. You want to eat the clock. If I was the Packers, I'm going to shrink the game, speed it up, I'm on the road. Philadelphia's got a better roster. Jordan loves banged up. I want a quick, fast. I want completions, tight ends, running back. I want my passes to be 12 yards and in.

First downs. Move the chains. Keep the clock running. When you have less talent, shrink the game. When you have more talent, you want more snaps. So if you start poorly, just give me more snaps. We'll eventually our players will win. I think there's some data out there that says teams that played in the regular

season and have a rematch in the playoffs. Historically, it's been a lower scoring game. So I would look at the under and any Sequin Barclay running props you want, if you're gambling on the game. Next up is the Denver Broncos back in the playoffs for the first time since their Super Bowl run in 2015. They got a tough matchup against Josh Allen and the Bills. But Bo Nicks and Denver, they don't want to hang their hat on just making the playoffs.

I don't want to be handcuffed by just making it just because we haven't done it. but if we're gonna make it, we might as well go win some games. It'd be a shame to get this far and then start enjoying where you are and then become complacent and then not do your best in this game when you got a chance to go out there and compete to go win. So I'm surprised this is coming down a little bit. It was 9, 8, 9. What are people seeing in the Broncos? Well, could have dicey weather, the better defense is Denver,

Sean Payton over Sean McDermen. That's it. Sean Payton, do you want a quick number? 4-0 against the spread in the playoffs on the road. He's a really good coach. I know people don't want to yell. He stunk last year. This is a good coach.

He's been in the playoffs, what took New Orleans to the Super Bowl. I just don't see an upset here. I don't either. That would be stunning. Listen, I don't think Jaden Daniels is going to win in Tampa, and we both love Jaden Daniels. I think Tampa's got the better roster. I think right now Baker's better than Jaden in a big game.

So, I mean, to me, and Bo Nix is good, but he's not close to Josh Allen, who's the best football player on some Sundays in the world. And Baker's good. Jaden Daniels and Baker are fairly close, I think. I mean, obviously, Jaden's a quicker or twitchier athlete. But my take is rookie quarterbacks on the road, first playoff game. There's not a lot of winners historically. If I'm Buffalo, I win the coin toss, I want the ball first. I want a road, go right down the field, scripted drive, get that lead.

Bo Nix, you're playing catch up. What are you going to do? Bo Nix faces his first third and eight, right? Juiced up crowd, it's cold. He's a wide-eyed. You know, this could get scurly. I think Buffalo would have blowout, but you've got to respect the money coming in on Denver.

I respect the money. I just don't want my money on that side. Yeah, exactly. Final story. Now, this is interesting, Colin. Obviously, we have been linking Dion to Shadour in the NFL. He's a coaching candidate, right? We know that.

However, yesterday, Dion Sanders was on Good Morning America and was asked whether he would consider making the jump to the NFL. He replied, the only way I would consider is to coach my sons. Not son, sons. Dion later added, he loves Colorado and everything they've been doing. Well, uh, yeah, I think it's. His sons go to the NFL. One of them definitely going to be in the NFL. This feels like probably.

Yeah, this feels like a brawny thing. It's cute, but the NBA is going to eventually, you're going to become a have-not very quickly. If you're more worried about your kids than actually acquiring great players, and I don't think the NFL, this is a cute story, but they're not going to bend over for Dion Sanders kids. Really? I don't think so. The good teams won't. Hold on.

The two teams at the top are Tennessee and Cleveland. Brian Callahan just went two and 15 against the spread. Okay? If he's awful this year and they get Shudor, Dion's coming in next year. And Cleveland with Stefanski multiple time coach of the year, really good coach, right? He could be considered on the hot seat. You think the Titans are going to waste a draft pick on a player that is just a cousin or a friend or an ally?

Well, I mean, he could be an undrafted free agent. You sign him. Okay, I have no problem with that. Everybody signs 15 of those. Yeah, maybe you grab the other son. I don't know where he is in the draft. But the two teams at the top have coached. who just had really, really bad seasons. And if one of them takes Shadour and they have another bad season, you don't think Dion's coaching in 26 in the NFL? I don't.

New York Giants are third, by the way. I think the media loves these stories. The young media loves Brony to the Lakers, but it's a little embarrassing. I mean, for considering Braun's greatness, Bronny's on the team. Brony's not an NBA player. It was a cute story.

Let's stop. And by the way, Shadour, Sanders is very good. If the other son's not an NFL player, then I'm not drafting somebody because I want to accumulate or create a relationship with Soudre Sanders

goes 3 and 14 and is not very good. He's done. Nobody cares. He's going to have about a year and a half, and then people in the building and then raise their hand and go, yeah, he's not good enough. I think the NFL is very bottom line. Very bottom line. I don't think they care. I mean, I'm telling you right now,

I'm not saying that it hasn't happened. I mean, Gronk had a bunch of brothers. If, you know, the undrafted free agent route is something that could happen. It is sure. But boy, the NFL's bottom line. They forget about you very fast. Bill Belichick got fired a couple of years after the dynasty. They just, the NFL doesn't play by the NBA rules.

The NBA's got a meaningless regular season. There's a zillion games. Most are not watched. They're forgettable. And the brawny story, you can just waste a game. and play around and have fun and everybody likes it. You don't think all the, a billion spots on an NFL roster, you can't find one for Dion's other son?

That's Shador's brother, you can't find one spot on the last? I'm saying if they go undrafted free agent, possibly. But I don't think any really well-run organization is desperate for Shadur Sanders. Look at the top of the draft. It's the same have-nots the last decade. Because they're not well-run. That's right.

So a poorly run franchise, I could see doing that. Well, that's all we've got here, Colin. I mean, the Giants right now are poorly run. We have to admit that. Well, the Cleveland Browns are an abysmal franchise. I do not think the Patriots have good ownership and they've got their quarterbacks for the future. They're not going for them. The Jaguars are not going for them.

They're poorly run. Raiders are poorly run. Jets, come on. Panthers. How many coaches did they have in the last like six years? All these teams stink, right? They're poorly run. I think Shudor's in play.

Well, I don't the year after. I don't think Shaduer Sanders is good enough, in my opinion. Nor is Cam. Ward to trade away a bunch of picks for him. Agreed. Yeah. So, I mean, I think you know who's going to get Shadur? One of the first two teams. I like Shadur Sanders. I think he's a good prospect.

I kind of feel the same way, although he's a different player. When Deshawn Watson came out of Clemson, I thought he was a B-plus prospect. He was awesome. He was a great college quarterback. But I didn't think. I talked to my NFL guys. You know, they're like he's not a natural, pure thrower. We're forgetting how good he was in Houston.

He was definitely a top 10 quarterback in the maybe top like seven. He took Houston to the playoffs like every year. He was good. I mean, very forgettable. Houston was never a viable Super Bowl team. I mean, I think they had the Chiefs down 24-0. They ended up losing 51 something.

How did that game go? Still, they... Brady never lost a 24-0 leave. Jay Mack. I like Chador. I like him. But in order to move up, you have to love somebody. So I think the teams at the top are going to get Chadour.

and I think those teams aren't necessarily very well run and his ascension and greatness will be limited. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. You know, I saw a story this morning. Somebody was asking the story, once thriving,

Mike Tomlin's legacy hangs in the balance. And it's really interesting because if Mike Tomlin and the Steelers got routed this weekend and then they're 10-point underdogs to Baltimore. I think you'd have to have a harsh discussion and a real discussion. But I've always said Mike Tomlin to me is very much Pete Carroll. Two Super Bowl appearances, hoisted a trophy, great motivator, defense first, very intense, excellent leader, highly passionate, tremendous energy. And both Pete Carolyn and Mike Tomlin, as the NFL culture has pivoted to offense first, feel a little behind their contemporary.

And here's the thing is, I think Mike Tomlin and Pete Carroll, I would hire them both with the Chicago Bears. But I think there's an argument to be made that these strong leaders, as the world is pivoted, I'm not sure Tomlin's the answer in Pittsburgh. And I think if they get smoked this weekend and they could, I think you have to address the question in the room. And I think with both Mike Tomlin and Pete Carroll, the legacy is

two Super Bowls, got a trophy, great energy, respected, passion, leaders, all that stuff. And I'd hire them with the Bears tomorrow. But I do think, I do think their contemporaries, especially coaches

who coach offense, feel like they're more innovators, they're ahead of the curve, and I just don't feel like Pittsburgh can get offense right. I don't think their answer for quarterback is probably in the building. And if you go to the last 12 playoff games with Pittsburgh, I mean, if

Belichick and Andy Reid can be removed in the NFL, you can have the discussion. The last 12 Mike Tomlin playoff games, a lot of losses, a lot of ugly losses, and a couple of narrow wins, one over Matt Moore, one over A.J. McCarran.

So I think this weekend, I don't think Pittsburgh, I just think that organization is so uncomfortable with the discussion of moving off Mike Tomlin. They don't even want to discuss it. And I think you have to have these uncomfortable conversations. You could run a television network.

You could be a mayor. You could be a GM and a football coach. You've got to have uncomfortable conversations. And if they get rounded this weekend and you're looking at the top of this league with Philly and Detroit and Kansas City and Buffalo and Baltimore, Pittsburgh doesn't feel like they're in that class. I don't think Pittsburgh feels like they're in the Rams, Chargers, Minnesota class this morning.

It's an offensive league. Here's Tomlin on the playoff woes. What you mentioned is my story. It's not this collective story. Many of these guys involved do not tote those bags. I happily tote those bags. But it's not something that I'm going to project on the collective. I can like Pete Carroll and Mike Tomlin

and think they deserve Hall of Fame nominations and votes. I can like both. But I did think in Seattle it had run its course. And I do think in Pittsburgh, if they get blown out again by a better quarterback, can we have the conversation? I mean, Belichick was removed, Andy Reid was removed. We can't have the conversation. I think it's a very big...

I think if Baltimore loses this weekend, Lamar's going to get some heat. I thought last year, when the Cowboys lost, it was about McCarthy, not about DAC. And I do think in Pittsburgh, I'm not going to blame Russell. Wilson, he's out of his prime. I think if Pittsburgh gets hammered, let's just have the conversation here. I got about 12 years of playoff performance and it kind of starting to look the same.

I said this last week. The Steelers have become a slightly different variation of the same team every year. And it's been going on for over a decade. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Kavino. And I'm Rich Davis.

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about Define the Odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything. everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

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to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not.

I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you,

whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Joel Clatt, the voice of college football at Fox is now joining us, and he is down in Orange County, and we're going to watch that Notre Dame Penn State game tonight. So as he is, we're down to the final four in college football. James Franklin said, and I don't want to go too far into the weeds on this, that he thinks all teams should be in a conference.

I like that Notre Dame's independent. I think college football needs to be a little different than pro football. I'm for it. Do you believe going forward, not just this season, but going forward, NIL transfer portal, Marcus Freeman, is Notre Dame positioned well going forward for college football? Certainly seems that way. And I think that maybe what James Franklin is touching on is that it is advantageous because they have kind of a direct carve-out in the college football playoff. And I think they would continue to get that direct carve-out, even if this playoff changes to a 14-team model.

I mean, you can understand why coaches would want them in a conference. I think that conferences inherently are more difficult than being independent. Although, you know, with their scheduling partnership with the ACC, it kind of depends on how that league is going. It was not very good this year. And then the other side of this would just be the financial impact. And Notre Dame and people around Notre Dame have told me that their independence is vital to the way that they raise money for their institution writ large,

not just their athletic department and their football program. So that is a big piece of this. It's important to them on many different levels, including the donor base, feeling like their dollars really matter for the institution. I think this is the first year that college football is playing in NFL season, which is 16 or 17 games. And I think Ohio State has a huge advantage.

Chip Kelly, who was gone. He knows the NFL rigors. He knows how to balance play calling, what to hide, how to interpret certain things. And I think it's an advantage. I think that it's not a surprise is that the last two weeks, they have looked like a different offense. Will Howard regained his confidence? And that college football now, at least at the end, is the NFL, which I don't think gives little guys much of a chance at all and gives the big dogs a decided advantage.

But I think Chip helps Ohio State in this regard. Well, don't forget that Ryan has NFL experience as well. I mean, Brian Hartline has the NFL experience. And I've talked at length with Ryan about this. And this goes back all the way to when I went in last year to do their spring game. And we talked at length about the length of the season and how they would approach it and how differently they were going to approach it than even what they have done previous. If you take a look at the regular season, they were one of the slowest offenses in all of college football.

their snaps per game were way down. And that was intentional. Because remember, if you've got better players, you would want to play more a higher volume of snaps, and they didn't intentionally. They played very slow for this reason. It wasn't anything other than this is going to be a long season, and we want to make sure that we're at our best and we're fresh late.

It was one of the reasons why the two running backs were big for them, you know, getting Junckons in the portal. They also, and I would think that this is a very, important piece of this. From a schematic standpoint, they were strategic in what they were showing teams during the course of the year. Their offensive and defensive game plans and structures have changed drastically during the course of the year, and that was intentional. Part of it was because they lost Oregon and Michigan, and yes, we've all talked about that, but Colin, the other part of it was intentional from Brian Day and Chip Kelly, that they didn't want to show

everything, they didn't want to show every formation, so that when they get into these games late in the year, they have things that the opposing defenses have not seen, and that is a very NFL structure. Is there more pressure on Sark or Ryan Day tomorrow? I think Ryan Day, just because of the Michigan aspect of this, because of the fact that they have now looked so dominant, they are so very clearly the odds-on favorite to win the national championship. It's one of the only things that will get that fan base off of his back from a Michigan loss perspective. Whereas Sark, you know, let's face it, they were for about 10 years roaming around in the desert

as a program, this Texas team. And he's put them now back in the national semifinals in back to back years. You know, he went on the road and beat Alabama. He went on the road and beat Michigan. He's now played for the SEC championship in his first year after winning the Big 12 championship in their last year in the conference. He has elevated this program to a point where now they can see some sustainability at the top And for those reasons, I think Ryan is still under more pressure.

You do a great job on draft coverage. I got to ask you, I think Cam Ward's more talented arm mobility than Shadur. Shadur is a bit more polished. The betting markets now have Cam above Shadur. Who would you draft if you were a GM and needed a signal caller? I would draft Shadur. I think that he does what the NFL wants and needs more so than Cam. Cam's great, and I think both of these guys are top five picks,

and this is the only part of the draft process I don't love Colin is that when I say, like, well, I would take Shador, people are like, well, why do you hate Cam Ward? I don't. I love him. He should be a top five pick, and I think that he will have success. I like Shadour because of the control that he exudes from the pocket. You know, he has such an understanding of the game, and then he can be both surgical and he can be kind of a magician at the same time.

whereas as Cam's game is a little bit different than that. It's a little bit more college. Shudors, I think, is a more NFL style. He can be surgical when he's on time and everything is right, and then he's got that kind of Fran Tarkintin ability to be mobile, get himself free and make plays down the field. I would take Shador if I had the number one pick and everything aligned. Although, who knows what the demands are going to be from Shador

in terms of where he wants to play. One more question, one minute. Does Penn State have a shot tonight? You like James Franklin's chance? Yes, I do. I think that they've got a good shot. That's a very evenly matched game. I will say this.

I'm going to pick Notre Dame, but one of the things that Penn State has is the ability to learn from their history, and what they've done has gotten in their way at times. Against Ohio State, they didn't give the ball to Tyler Warren inside the 10-yard line. I thought that they got away from Catron Allen

against Boise State. If they just lean into where they can have success, they'll have a good chance to win this game. That program is elevated to a point where they need that tipping point victory, and it could be tonight. Yeah, and it's interesting. As great a program as they are, it feels like all everybody's talking about is Notre Dame, Texas, Ohio State. So very rarely in sports, are you excellent and underdiscust? You're excellent, but viewed as sort of irrelevant. And Penn State's got two natties as an independent, by the way.

I've been talking about this with friends. I'm like, boy, what a great spot to be in. You're just that other team of the four, and you have like six NFL guys all over your roster. And maybe it's because they haven't had that win where you're like, oh, man, that's a great upset win, or that's a marquee win, a tipping point victory. They've beaten everybody that they should in college football

for the better part of four or five years. They haven't had that victory over a team that maybe they shouldn't beat. And I think that's where the apprehension is. Joel Clatt, you're great. Good seeing you, buddy. Appreciate it. Yeah, you too. you too, but you too. Have a good one.

All right. Greg CoSell, top of next hour. You know, you like fantasy football, you like betting on football. You want to get smarter on pro football. Greg CoSell, top of the hour. Yeah, it's, I mean, if you look at college football in the format, everybody loves the little guy, favor it to rate no. All the little guys except Arizona State got their doors blown off. Inviting more people to the party doesn't change who the coolest people at the party are.

Right? And so it's one of those things where I look at college football. you can invite more people. We're down to Notre Dame, Ohio State, Texas, and little old Penn State, which has been the Northeast's best football program for a majority of my life. They've been the program. Campus, it'd take you a while to get there, but it is beautiful. Hour two next.

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