The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Huge trade for the Knicks

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin reacting to the Knicks landing Mikal Bridges in a trade with the Nets and why the Villanova culture taking over the NBA is a huge win for basketball   Guest: Jeff Howe   #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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However you may be making it as part of your day, thanks so much for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieb. In for the man himself, Colin Cowan. And for the next couple of hours, I want to talk sports with you. Ah, here we are hours away from young men. lives being changed, the NBA draft,

which apparently is a two-day event on a year in which I don't know how many of you can name half the players or even three-quarters of the players in day one of the two-day event, although day two of the events will probably bring us a complete Brony James discussion and we'll get to whether or not we should or should not be discussing Ronnie James upcoming. Got a heck of a show for you.

We will talk some NFL. Jeff Howell is going to join. join us a little bit later on this hour. Plus, Magic Johnson lichens himself and Larry Bird to who? You'll find out a little bit later on this hour. But let's begin with the news of the day. McHale Bridges is traded to the New York Knicks. And there was a, do you like plethora? Do you like Cornucopia? Or do you like Schmorgasborg of picks? Pick, pick which one you want? Either way, it doesn't matter. The Knicks end up landing McHale Bridges. Now, Bridges

is a guy who when he's the third or fourth option is remarkable. When he's the number one option, he's good, but you're limited as a team. You're not going to win or compete for an NBA championship. Nonetheless,

that is a big time get for the New York Knickerbockers, who now have four Villanova players on it, four that won, at least parts of, if not someone, two national championships. And there's a lot that goes with it, right? What does it mean for the rest of the New York Knicks roster?

You know, do they stand pat? What do they do with Hartnstein? What do they do with the other players? But I think let's just focus on why would you want four Villanova guys? Well, it's obvious. You'll want to surround yourself with winners, but this is about, culture. It's my culture. The greatest

respect you can have or say to a radio guy is I was listening to your show, I got to my house and I couldn't get out of my car until you went to break. Or even more impressively is I listened through a break because I wanted to

hear what you were going to say next. That is an unbelievable compliment to a radio guy. To a radio guy. You know, when a coach watches your team like i remember i was actually giving a little pregame talk in phoenix before the national championship game and uh i look in the audience and there's tubby smith

and i i started interviewing tubby smith because i mean he's one national championship he's a incredibly legendary man and coach in the in the profession of of coaching basketball and he said you know i just want to stick around to see what you had to say i was like wow it's like respect. You cannot get any more respect for a college program than four of their guys. And when Jalen Brunson was signed by the New York Knicks, many were critical of how much they spent on it. Now, obviously, most everybody's backpedaled and said, hey, I was wrong, and it's fine. But my point to it was it didn't actually have to do with the points and the assists.

It has to do with the fact that New York for so long had been a place that no place that no, one wanted to play you know how many times the braun james been a free agent said yeah never wanted to play there remember the new york dix moved heaven and earth to try and get kevin durant and when he wanted to bring kairie irving with him they sort of passed he ended up with brooklyn nets but nonetheless the fact that the nix wanted him he was a free agent he talked to the nix and didn't go there the nicks that were not a destination it was because there was just what was the what was the magnet who had the gravitational pull

that was pulling people in and I believe that's Jalen Brunson but what the Knicks have come to understand is what many people in business already know is that culture is just about everything and I get it like there's going to be

limitations. Josh Hart has limitations as a player. Not a great player but man is he good for your culture. I know Dante DeVincenzo in that elimination game had a great game, and we know him as White Dante from the National Championship game. But in truth, he's probably best off being a bench player. McHale Bridges, again, if he's your third or fourth offensive option, you're really good.

And Jalen Brunson's probably best if he's your second best offensive score. But I was at a, let's call it a symposium a couple weeks ago. And it was all about culture and purpose. Doug Galdivin for Colin, this is the herd. and one of the statements made was like look if you invest in people if you really invest in culture your growth for your company

is going to increase 10x and the point is that I understand how on paper on paper it looks like one thing on paper it looks like we got overspent on McHale Bridges he's just an okay

player, maybe we're a little bit better. OG, and nobody is gone. How much better can they be? But I think when your culture is as good as it will be with those four Villanova guys, I think you'll have an increase of 10x. I think others will follow. And I think you're going to have a really good team. I think that becomes a team where you think that's next to the Celtics,

the most competitive team in the East. And look, I could tell you that there were times in. my life where I would say, ah, we're overselling culture and you just got to go get the best guys possible. But the Boston Celtics don't have the best players possible. Jason Tatum's awesome. Jalen Brown's very good. But they have great culture.

They buy into their roles. And that's why they're successful. And that investment in culture is one of the things that's paid off for them winning an NBA title. And I think the Knicks are sitting there going like, all right. Villanova is the, was the model team,

was the model college basketball program. Culture wins. Competitiveness wins. Smart wins. That's all Villanova. Let's just go get a bunch of Villanova guys,

don't know what the price is. And you know what? Kind of agree with him. I do. Kind of agree with him. Doug Outley, been for Colin, this to heard here on Fox Sports Radio

and the I Heart Radio app. What a show we got. for you now the question becomes in the NBA draft do you draft for culture or do you just draft for talent like that's a real thing do you draft for culture or do you draft for talent the next trade for mcale bridges that obviously gets them some talent but a lot of culture what happens in tonight's NBA draft coming up next in the herd the the dolphins and Tua are at an impasse. What should the dolphins do next? We'll discuss.

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But, of course, the NBA draft, kind of a snooze this year, especially in comparison to the NFL. And with that, we're welcoming Jeff Howe. He's the national NFL insider for the athletic. And he joins us here in the herd. And Jeff, let's start with kind of some of this quarterback discussion. We've seen Trevor Lawrence get a new deal. And now we're waiting to see what happens in Green Bay or what happens in Miami. There's one report out that.

that the dolphins and Tua can't find a middle ground. What are you hearing about the dolphins and their quarterback? Well, it's a tricky one because both sides have what they feel is pretty strong leverage. And I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of goes closer to the Lamar Jackson territory, where it kind of drags out, where the dolphins kind of want Tua to keep proving that he is worth the money that I would assume that he wants probably, and that's 50, there's. certainly in that $50-plus million a year range. And if you're the dolphins, it's okay to be skeptical because two years ago was an injury

short in season, of course. Last year, you know, similar problems that kind of faced the dolphins as a whole were also in the spotlight with Tua in particular. You know, they were really good in the regular season and that fizzled out when it started to matter most. So, you know, the dolphins have the contractual leverage where they can have to play this thing out. And if he has an MVP caliber season this year and they have to give him something more than, you know, something closer to the $50 million ballpark, it now creeps towards 60, you know what, then so be it.

That's the gamble you take. So I understand why both sides could conceivably be far enough apart where obviously they still don't have a deal. Okay. What's the leverage that he has? I don't know of any leverage. I mean, other than, you know, if they eventually get to a franchise tag situation, that cost against the cap, but he can't go anywhere. Yeah, but, you know, the cap, or I'm sorry, the franchise tag is useful for the teams,

but it also kills your cap if you can't turn that into more of an extension. So you don't want a situation where all of a sudden you've got, you know, Jack Prescott playing up last year of his deal in Dallas. You know, it would be a similar type of cap constraint. if you play that year-to-year tag game. The two is leverage is the number just keeps going up. And I think you look at, you know, the way the quarterback market has exploded really the last two years.

I mean, it started in 2018 with Matt Ryan, but the way that it's kind of gone so disproportionately off-course here, the last couple off seasons where, yeah, you've got guys who are cashing in and getting these contracts that are well-deserved, but then you've got other ones that are more questionable. when you've got Daniel Jones getting $40 million a year, and you've got other guys starting to approach that $50 million mark, where you've got to wonder whether that type of contract

is going to come back and bite them. But, I mean, if you're Tua and you're betting on yourself and you sit there and you look at what the Dolphins history, recent history, a quarterback has been, you can say, all right, well, you don't want to pay me and you want to risk losing me, or do you want to let this thing go tag by tag year by year, all of a sudden, what the organization would have hoped to solidify the quarterback position long term,

you know, becomes more of a tenuous battle. I guess that's really what I'm trying to get out with the leverage. What does Jordan loves, what's that deal coming at? He's going to be, I would assume, closer to 55, and I think that's pretty wild too, because he played, he was as good as just about any quarterback in the league down the stretch last. year it's a little it's certainly a gamble to pay a guy that much money off of a half season's worth of great pay but you know this was kind of the Packers plan all along in turning over the keys to love when they parted with Rogers and and watching him in practice

and kind of seeing him perform I mean it's one thing and this isn't just the case with Jordan Love this is the case with a lot of young quarterbacks especially the guys who sit you sit there and you watch them play well in practice and you say all the right things and you're telling the media that, okay, this guy looks like the real deal. But there's always, universally, there's no exceptions, there's always that seat of doubt. What's he going to look like when he starts to play in live games? Is that practice stuff going to transition over to the game field? Is it going to transition when it gets a lot more tense down the stretch of the regular

season or into the playoffs? Jordan Love answered a lot of those questions. Now, again, I'm not going to back off from the fact that it's a little bit of a gamble to pay a guy off of that short of the first. sample size, but if the Packers are comfortable with it from the entire body of work over the last few years, then you've got to see him coming in around 55. Doug Gottliebent for Colin. This is The Herd, Fox Sports Radio, the IHeart Radio app.

Jeff, how's our guest, a national NFL insider for the athletic? You know, it's interesting, Jeff, last year this time, all the talk was running backs, running backs, running backs, running back. Oh, the running backs run a phone together. They're trying to drive up their value. for people who haven't been paying attention because the running backs have been a lot quieter. They've changed places.

Saquan and Barclays changed places. Derek Henry's changed places. What's the running back market look like now for those same players? It's not as good as I think they... I mean, last year it didn't pan out how they wanted, and you saw a lot of guys cave because, you know, quite frankly, the money was what it was. And you can...

Any one of us could sit there and say, yeah, we want this amount of money, but if that's not what your employer is willing to pay you, but then, you know, it's a lost battle there. But I think what you saw this offseason in Free Agency was kind of like the middle, the upper middle class heightened their floor. So you're not going to get really four or five years ago when those top guys were all getting about $15 to $16 million a year. That tapered off pretty considerably over the last two years.

But what was really interesting was over the last, last year and a half, you had that top tier, say for a guy like Christian McCaffrey or what have you, but you've got that top tier usually in like the 12 to 15 range. So it bottomed out a little bit, but then what was fascinating, what I'm getting at here is once you got below 12 and then that franchise number from a year ago, which was 10.1, then it dropped down to seven per year. And there was nobody in that middle ground. So right now what you're seeing is more of a, there's a few more bodies in that middle area. So there's no longer that giant void

from 12 down to 7 with those franchise numbers in between. So even though that doesn't get these guys back to where they were around 2020 or 2019, it gets a lot more guys, a little more money than maybe they had been used to a couple of years

ago. Okay. Then we have wide receivers. Where are we with Brandon and I, Yook, and the Niners? I mean, that one seems to still be a failmate. I mean, the 49ers have done a really good job, obviously, looking where they've been playing in January and February the last few years. They've done a tremendous job of identifying their elite talent

and retaining a good portion of them. The problem there is, when you have so many of them, eventually you kind of got to cut ties at some point, and paying Ayyuk and Debo Samuel that money when you've got stars it in so many other positions across the roster, and that kind of hurts the middle class of their roster. And, you know, even the last couple of years talking to some of their rivals around the league, but yeah, okay, they're as talented as anybody in the NFL,

but their problem is when they've run into these injury issues, which have been very high-profile ones, you kind of see the middle class of the roster take a bit of a dip. And that's why you kind of saw them struggle in some of their bigger moments, Not necessarily last year, I don't think, but prior couple years. So, you know, they're running into this situation where, yeah, Brandon Ayuk wants to be paid like a number one wide receiver. But right now, number one wide receiver is getting $25 to $30 million a year. And I just don't know if it's practical from a team-building standpoint for the 49ers to go through with that.

I would agree. And it's just really interesting, right? And that what's the value there? So what happens if they don't want to go through that? Like, what do they trade them? What do they do? I think if you're the 49ers, you want to be greedy. You want to see if you can squeeze one more a year out of Debo and Iyuk together.

And if Iuke really puts his foot down and says, look, I'm not showing up. Like, trade me or pay me, but there's no in between. Then I think the 49ers hands are tied a little bit more, and they try to figure out, okay, what makes the most sense? Do you pay Iook and trade Debo and kind of deal with whatever? cap ramifications come from moving on Devo's contract, or do you just make it a whole lot easier on yourself and trade IUC to a team that will pay him like a number one wide receiver because I'm sure there are going to be a handful of those out there, and then you kind of recoup

some draft capital. So I think priority one for the 49ers is to see if Iyuk will hang around for one more year before they make the tougher decision. But if Iyuk really wants to force his hand here. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the one they have to move. Awesome stuff, Jeff. Awesome, awesome stuff. One more for you. As an insider, who's the team

everybody's talking about? Not the media. We lock in on Cowboys. We lock in on Jets and Aaron Rogers, no showing for OTAs. Who's the team everyone else is talking about that we should be paid more attention to?

Oh, boy. You've got me on a little bit of a summer brain on that one. It's okay. Just trying to, you know. Let me, let me ask you about the Jets. That's about the Jets. Based upon the people you know, we all think it's a big deal because it's Aaron regressing towards Aaron when he was in Green Bay.

Right? Last year was, I'm going to show up at all these events. I'm all about it. I'm in every practice, everything. This year it's, eh, I'll be there when I need to be there. What are the Jets people saying about it? There's a lot of raised eyebrows around the league with what the Jets potential can be or should be compared to what maybe the hype is,

especially coming out of New York. I mean, it's like you were saying, kind of to add to your point, Aaron Rogers starts the offseason by saying you've got to cut out all the unnecessary distractions, and then is gone for mandatory minicamp. I mean, that's not, that's not like an offbeat, like that's a football distraction. That is an avoidable distraction. Now, granted, we don't have any answers.

And if it's a personal matter that he absolutely had to attend to, then, you know, I would absolutely walk back what I'm saying here, but all I can go by is what they're telling us, and that was a pre-planned absence that the Jets were then not even forthcoming about until the week of minicamp. So now you take your most important football player off the football field, and that's an unnecessary detraction. So it's

more of the same with the Jets. This is yeah, it's an absolutely talented roster. They've done a really good job of acquiring young talent through the draft the last three years, and there is a lot of room for error because they have so much young talent there. And if all those guys start to

really start to rise together, then they're going to be a dangerous team. But I'm telling you, like, their rival executives and coaches around the league are more of a let's wait and see if the jets are for real before we buy into all this hype because it's been the same story with the jets for for many years many many many years you're the best man thanks so much for joining us really appreciate you being spent some time with us here in the hurt of course thanks a lot for having me have a good one all right is jeff how does a great job NFL insider for the athletic let's get to the news with rymie right? No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. What are you got, Ryan? All right, Doug. A lot of NFL talk. We'll have some more at the end of this herd line, but we're going to turn our attention to the NBA for this first story. Kevin Durant or Devin Booker on the trade block?

Well, that's what the rockets are certainly hoping for as they're keeping an eye on a big-time difference maker to help get them into the mix of the Western Conference. According to ESPN, the Rockets are monitoring Booker and Durant's availability right now, while the Suns are currently uninterested in moving either of their stars. But ahead of tonight's draft, the Rockets have the number three overall pick, and they could be willing to move off of one of their young stars in Alprin-Shangoon. So the Rockets looking to maybe get that big-time veteran All-Star Difference Maker

to take them from fringe play-in team to firmly in the mix of the playoffs. I think this is fascinating, right? So who do you think they're willing to come off of? I mean, to me, it's pretty obvious what Phoenix needs. What do you think that is, Ryan? I think they need more depth and size. Nope.

Okay. They need a one and a five. So I don't think they're going to, Shenguin, I don't think they'll be able to move. Plus, I don't think he fits what they need. They need. Not to Nick. But wouldn't a five fit the definition of size?

Yes, but it's fine. They need a point card. Who's Houston's point card? Fred Van Leet. So that's the question, right? Is Houston willing to give up Fred Van Vleet for Kevin Durant? I mean, you would certainly think they would. I don't know what the answer to that is.

I do think they're trying to take that next step. I think it's going to be fascinating. like that's a really interesting trade for both teams because for Houston that would absolutely kind of put them in at least some part of the discussion to being a team atop the way but what would they look like if like Jalen Green is a supreme talent but he's not a point you have Jabari Smith I don't think they're thinking about parting ways with Jabari Smith I would think that again Shenguin you're not wrong that That would be somebody that people would want.

I don't know if do the sons need more scoring? They need defense in terms of interior size, and that's not what he does. I think they want Van Bleet, and I just don't know if they're willing to part with him in order to get Kevin Durant. Yeah, I mean, if you're the Rockets, I'm not sure why you wouldn't make that move, though. Like, I think Fred Van Vliet's a really nice player, and maybe, you know, Imei Udoka. looks at him as some type of cultural cornerstone. Correct.

But I mean, he's not necessarily... I don't know Kevin Durrance. No, he's not Jalen Brunson, but he's there kind of Jalen Brunson. Sure. And so the question is, how much do you value that over Kevin Durant, who's, you know, while he's not what he used to be, he's still 25 a night.

Right. I guess the other, because the other part to that is like, granted, it's not that Durant is a young player by any means, but neither is Fred VIII. Van Vleet. Like, he's already 30, so it's not like you're going to have some extensive runway of him being the foundation of, you know, an eight-year run here. Yeah, but you can't think eight-year run, right? You got to like, what are we doing the next two years?

Right, but that's why to me it's a no-brainer. In the next two years, you're likely to get more out of a Kevin Durant than a Fred Van Vleet. Yes, you're more likely to get more out of Kevin Durant than you are Fred Van B'Vleet, but what about everybody else in the team? can you get more out of everybody else in the team that you wouldn't get out of them if you don't have a fan fan flame? That's my question. Yeah, that's fair.

It's like it's the old wins above replacement. Like you can replace them, you know, you can score more where you win more. And, you know, the one thing the sun's learned the hard way is, I get it. True point guards have gone the way mostly of the dodo, right? You got like Chris Paul and even he's not really good enough anymore to do it on his own.

TJ from Indy, he comes off the bench, but you do need a point guard it's on some level to get everybody where they need to get to, even if they are a score. So, all right, what else? All right, we'll turn back to the NFL here. The Cardinals are looking to turn things around this season in large part due to a healthy Kyler Murray, who only played in eight games last year coming off that knee surgery.

Well, Arizona's tight end, Trey McBride, here's what he had. to say about Kyler. Give me the best elevator pitch for Kyler Murray MVP candidate in 2020. Yeah, this is my third year with him now, and he seems more motivated than ever. He's a guy who's bringing everyone together. We're throwing every

weekend. We're getting everyone together. He's in the building, first one in, last one out. You know, he's one of those guys who's doing everything the right way. And this is the most confident I've seen him. This is this first year that I've been fully healthy with him. He's fully healthy. I think everything's

training in the right way. He has a ton of weapons out there, and I have full confidence that he's capable of an MVP season. Colin's always been a defender of Kyler Murray as just a talent in the NFL and some of the behind the scenes in terms of ownership and overall structure of the Cardinals and the things he's had to overcome. Are you seeing a big bounce back? Maybe not MVP. Look, what else you expect to hear out of his teammate and past catcher on offense? What I expect to hear, yes. He's the tight end who I'd never heard of

for the Arizona Cardinals. So of course he's going to say all these positive things about Colorlander. All of them. I have no idea his level of work. I would think it's way better. I think he's a supreme talent. I like him more than I like Tua.

just because he has great arm strength in addition to great elucinous. And if he's figured out how he has to work at it, then there's no reason he can't be special this year. You're in a division, which is interesting, right? The Rams, man, I mean, now you have two elite wide receivers and you feel like McVeigh, granted gaping hole on defense, losing one of the best defense players in football, maybe in the history of football up front.

But offensively, they should be top-notch. Niners still the favorites and then you got Seattle who's kind of stuck a little bit in no man's land on the offensive side of the ball. Do I see them as a bounce back year? Yeah, Jonathan Gannon was much better as a coach than

anyone could have thought, embarrassing first press conference and some of that video stuff they had but after that he's been awesome. So I think if Kyler's healthy, they've got a different dynamic than other teams. Yeah, I mean obviously the addition of Marvin Harrison Jr. gives

that offense a lot more juice than perhaps they had last year. Yeah, I mean, as you said, maybe the toughest thing that they'll have to overcome might just be their own division, let alone anything else. And we'll wrap up with this, Doug. It is the cultural phenomenon and the celebrity love story people just can't get enough of. Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, here's the latest. The Chiefs, the NFL, and the Hallmark Channel are producing a Hollywood movie. excuse me, a holiday movie titled

Holiday Touchdown, a Chief's Love Story. Now, officially, according to the press releases, there is nothing directly connecting this movie to Taylor or Travis or anything in that regard, but I think we all get a pretty clear understanding

of what's sort of happening and what they're getting at here. Yeah, I'm good on that. I'll probably not watch that. Whoa. Really? Yeah. I don't know, Doug. I see you. I mean, yesterday we spent the last segment of the show talking about things to do when you're on a flight and I would have easily pegged you as a

hallmark movie kind of guy. No, no. I do miss the good afternoon school special. After school special. I think you're probably too young to remember that, but we just have to... Yeah, that one flew right over my head. After school special. I think that was like a Wednesday. I mean, like, look, you're not even old enough to remember when MTV actually played music videos and people would watch that. That's not true. I was there for,

for like TRL and stuff like that. To Hover Request Live. Yeah. All right. I like that. Hashtag TRL now probably, right? Isn't it? I mean, is it still a thing?

Yeah, I know. Hard pass on the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey, unauthorized flick. By the way, I give them an F on the title of this movie. Like, they couldn't come up with anything more creative than holiday touchdown. Is that what it's called? Holiday touchdown,

a Chief's love story. Oh my goodness. It reminds me of this local show that tries to keep the viewers from the NBA finals. And it's a local news show with a couple NBA players and they call it slam dunk.

And I'm like, they can't come up with anything more creative than slam dunk. That's the name of the show because it's a basketball show. Hey, listen, my show is called the Doug Gottlieb show. And that's great. Well, it's not like we are experts in creativity.

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music or producing this here show and usually Jason dude usually we make fun of Magic Johnson's tweets because they are Captain obvious thinks they're a bit obvious right what was his tweet regarding Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese

well referring to your first point I have to take credit for this I was way out in front of this that Magic's Twitter account either is manned by somebody who doesn't know basketball that well and just tweets obvious stuff or it's magic and he just doesn't have a whole lot of insight into things it's remarkable it's almost like he's been trolling us all these years like he'll just say something like

the at suns are up 30 points to the at hawks. And then you're like, yeah, magic thanks. We couldn't have gone online or gone to the TV to see that. So this is what he tweeted yesterday. And I think this is like a topical. This is a good sports topic. He says, when I think about Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese's impact on the game, they remind me a lot of Larry Burden me.

Our first meeting, Indiana State, Michigan State, and the title game, set the all-time viewership record. Caitlin and Angel's 2023 championship title game matchup and their 24 elite eight games for the highest viewership records of all time. He's implying that he thinks that Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark

could possibly have the same impact on the NBA that he and Larry Bird did. What do you think about that? Well, on the WNBA. That's what I. Look, I actually, I made that comparison. and myself. They're not the same players. Angel Reese is not nearly

as dynamic with the ball. She's not a game change. Remember, when Magic and Bird came in, Magic, we hadn't seen a 6'9 point card. Had it happened before. And Larry Bird was such a force multiplier. I think they went from 29 wins

to 60 wins in his first year. So, and that's the kind of I don't, you're not going to get there with Caitlin Clark, but remember they were the worst team the WNBA, now they're fighting for a playoff position. But I do think the white, black, I do think the fact they

played they played for a championship going back to last year. And yeah, I just think the whole thing, and they of course met again this year, I do think there's parallels there. And remember, this is, they have

collectively, and really most of it is, as Caitlin Clark, have lifted the WNBA to new heights. I don't think it's a terrible analogy. it's right message it's probably wrong messenger would be my guess and remember Larry Bird

all time great and he didn't win a championship part of that was he wasn't surrounded by the greatest players when he's at Indiana State good players but not elite and I'd say the same thing for Iowa right when they've lost they've lost a team with better players better overall talent but could we talk about the

kind of the status of the leagues when each of these pairs entered the league because the NBA was obviously at a low in the wait 70s and the finals were on tape delay and whatnot. But I don't think the NBA quite put all their eggs in one basket with Magic and Bird. I think the Magic Bird thing happened over time and it evolved into changing the game. But I don't think there was the expectation that the Caitlin Clark thing, like the WNBA has spent money they don't have. I'm banking on Caitlin Clark being transcendent.

So I think in that respect, I don't think it's happening. apples to apples, right? This is, the WMBA needs Caitlin Clark much more than the NBA was expecting to need magic and bird, no? Yeah. I mean, look, I can't tell you the financial details of most NBA teams. I can tell you this, guys, real story. My late father went to my grandpa. My grandpa was he put himself through school, work nights, went to City College, New York. And then what he did to make his money to start his accounting practice and to pay for his school was he rented a box truck with a buddy. They would go down to the docks in New York. They'd buy fish and then they had a route and they would go sell fish to the restaurants.

And then he'd sleep all the rest of the day and then get up at night and go to night class and go do it again and again. Became an accountant. For me and an accountant, he took over a car dealership along Ireland. and it was, I think, the most successful car dealership at the time. He was like one of the first to do leasing options. And when guys would come back from Korea and Vietnam, he'd meet him at the boat with a brand new Cadillac. So he was really successful.

And my dad tried to talk him into buying the New Jersey Nets in 1981 for $1 million. One million dollars. The league was a mess. I don't know, though, if it was as bad as it's being perceived. And I also know that the WNBA, let's not act like the league was healthy for a long time. Just we have no idea how unhealthy.

They moved a lot of teams around. They got out of a bunch of arenas. They got private ownership groups. But it still was subsidized by the NBA. So I can't tell you how bad it was. But I do think that a blind man can see. The NBA went from tape delay to being the biggest show on earth. And the WNBA has gone from,

a fledgling league that, you know, has a niche audience to selling out, you know, NBA-style arenas and being the talk of the town because of Caitlin Clark, I do think there's a parallel there. Yeah. I think that the, the Angel Reese is, I think, more of a tag along in this respect. I think Magic and Bird were on the same top-level tier for the entire decade. I think that Angel Reese is considerably behind Caitlin in popularity and as a draw. I think it'll always be an interesting rivalry, but I don't think there are ever going to be equals as kind of a relevant draw. What do you think? I would agree as of now.

I do think there is something that, like, Angel Reese is, and she's part of this. Caitlin Clark's doing as well where, you know, like the kind of runway model thing. I think that sells. I also think, you know, we're talking about it from, you know, white male in your 40s kind of perspective, although I know you're 50s. although I know you're 50 now, but white male sort of perspective. I think Angel Reese is actually a lot more popular than maybe even we give her credit. It pales in popularity in comparison to Caitlin Clark. I am not arguing that.

But I do think that within her target demo, she's really popular. People like her. Now, is she as skilled, is talented, can she takeover game? She's put up a bunch of these double doubles when you watch her. She's not terribly skilled. She's more about the fact that she just works really, really hard. So if that's the argument, then you're right. If the argument is overall popularity, of course, it pales in comparison to Kailen

Clark, but I do think that she separates herself and that she does have her own kind of little fan base that she plays to. And I think playing up the fact that these are beautiful women, I don't think, I don't see as a downside to it. It's not something they've ever done before. Give us your thoughts. So they're always interesting to hear yours. Ad Gottlieb's show on Twitter.

at Gottlieb show on Instagram as well. All right, coming up next in The Herd. You know, we're all kind of guilty of this. Okay. We conflate popular and good. Or popular and talented or popular and successful. And it's not necessarily the same thing. And I think a Bronny,

James is the perfect example of it. His name, by my estimation, will be mentioned more in the next two days than any basketball player on earth, any basketball player on earth, including Caitlin Clark, including LeBron James, including Kevin Durant, barring Kevin Durant being traded a bit even if he has traded because the NBA draft is on for the next two nights, I think Bronny James will be talked about because he's incredibly popular. How do you balance that with how good somebody is? Let's get into that discussion next.

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