The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - It has begun

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin to start off the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament and why the upsets we'll see this year will be more shocking than ever He talks to Fox Sports college hoops reporter John Fanta about the tournament     #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and we can all get together and we get ready for the NCAA tournament. It's a weird one for me. Some of you may know. I'm actually a head basketball coach at Green Bay.

What you may not know is this is the first. first NCAA tournament in 23 years that I'm not covering for, I was ESPN for 9. I was worked there for 10, but 9 covering the tournament. And then CBS for 5. And then since then the last seven years it was Fox, but also Westwood won. You know, when I was CBS was Selection Sunday, final four, et cetera, and calling games the first weekend. And, you know, I've been with Westwood One as their studio host and going all the way to the Final Four. And now I ain't got nothing to do except talk to you. So I'm going to bore the hell out.

No, I'm kidding. We're going to break down your back. It's a tell you about the 12-5 upsets. And, you know, I got a, I got a, listen, if you subscribe to my service, okay, you subscribe to my service. Listen, I got, I got four gold-locked picks, okay? Gold-lock picks. No, I just, it's interesting. And, you know, as a kid, I watched it, my dad got me out of school, right?

Whether it was Jordan Elementary, LeVita Elementary, wait, there's more. McPherson Middle School, Junior High School, Santiago Middle School, Yorba Middle School, that's right, three middle schools. And then Tustin High School, my dad would come get me out of school and we'd go down to we go down to a sports bar in Costa Mesa and watch all the games. I think one time we went to Silky Sullivan, so that's always in Fountain Valley. I don't know if that still exists. Anyway, from there, and we would go to the Fonifor.

And then even when I played at Notre Dame and we were bad my first year, we still went to the Fonofour. That was in East Rutherford, New Jersey. my year at Golden West College where I didn't play where I technically redshirted, I watched my childhood best friend Miles Simon win a national championship in Indianapolis and then played in it three times at Oklahoma State and then covered it really after I got done playing overseas. You know, I had two years where was overseas during the tournament, actually three when I was

overseas during the tournament. And since then, I've been back in and I will tell you, more motivated than ever to have the full circle, right? Watched it, loved it, played in it, covered it, TV and radio, on the floor of the Final Four in the national championship game, and now I want to coach it. But I can't. We weren't good enough.

And we got to build it and build it right. So you're stuck with me. But what I do think is fascinating is how much has changed. in the landscape of the sport. Some of it still remains the same. There's still the Cinderella stories. And when we think of stories of our past, it's interesting. There's some of the greatest games or potential upsets or whatever weren't actually

upsets, didn't actually happen. Like Princeton, Georgetown, Georgetown still won the game. Georgetown won the game. And then, of course, we started to see more and more upsets throughout our childhood, into our adulthood. And what I thought would never happen, I truly believed in covering it, you would never see a 16 beat a 1. And the logic behind it was this. When they started the field of 64, there were like, I don't think there were 200 Division 1 teams. Now there are 364.

right, 364. So if the top are the top four and they used to be competing against 200, 225, 230, and now they're competing against 300, one would think the disparity

was even greater. But as luck would have it, an injury happened with DeAndre Hunter at Virginia and an upset of all upsets took place with UMBC. And then I thought,

well, we'll never have that again. only to have it happen again. But amateurism is gone. I don't want to call this professional basketball because though I get paid a salary to coach my team, to run my program, to make sure my kids go to class, you know, graduate or academically ateligible,

stay out of trouble, run practice, manage a whole basketball program. And look, college basketball players do receive compensation above that of a scholarship, above that of a grant and aid. Let's not kid ourselves. This is not professional. If it was professional, you wouldn't believe the stories that take place don't happen in a professional world. You also don't get a chance to just leave one job with a contract and not have a buyout

and not have a non-compete clause going from job to job to job to job. So it's a mix of what we used to have, mix in education, which does get pushed to the wayside by so many people. And then you kind of morph professional basketball and AAU basketball, and there you go. But here's what I wish would happen. It's not going to happen. But like Wofford takes on Tennessee. Wofford takes on Tennessee. And there's some unique things that college basketball people know that I'm going to

teach you here before the games tip off. I had a college basketball coach before I took the job tell me like, hey, ever noticed handshake lines are a lot longer than they used to be? Well, what's that mean? Well, you know, when Omaha takes on St. John's and Omaha's best player goes for 25 and 10 and they lose and he shakes hands with Rick Petino or one of the assistant coaches, they go, is that your mom over there? Hey, hey, hey, hey, mom, how are you?

How are you? It doesn't mean there's poaching actually taking place, but it doesn't mean that it's not taking place. Right? Like literally, mid-major teams, playing against high major teams, it's an active tryout. I kid you not. But what I'd love to have happen is when Wofford takes on Tennessee,

them to flash up the sum total of the salaries of the players of, each team. That would be amazing. Tennessee's coached by Rick Barnes. He's a friend. I think Rick's a great dude. We were rivals. He coached at Texas when I was in college.

And I had heard he was a great dude. And he's even better than that. I do expect them to win this game. And Wofford has a big guy who shoots the ball underhanded, which if you watch me play in college, people did encourage me to try, so I'm always fascinated by it. But what I would love is if it comes down the stretch

and they're under four minutes and say Spiro Didas is calling the game, Tennessee with a $4.2 million payroll, take it on Wofford with $135,000 payroll. It would make you, you want to talk about David and Goliath. That's what you have. It's like equal punishments, right? If you're bad, it's hard to raise money to get players to get good. and even on bad teams, guys that go and put up their numbers, well, they go and they want to go somewhere else and fool somebody else and go get paid.

And if you're good at the mid-major level, you're going to lose all your players because people are like, man, they're good. Let's take them. That's how it actually works. Nonetheless, we still have a bracket, and now the actual bracket games begin. But I do think that, and I said this on my mind. show and I said it just so you know I'm I believe in congruent arguments I thought the mistake of the college football playoff committee was was balanced out by the NCAA basketball committee

what do I mean by that it doesn't mean that every team that spent money is better than teams that don't spend money doesn't mean that but the SEC has spent a whole hell of a lot more money than everybody else. And it's not just with the players, with the facilities, with the support staff, with the head coaches. It's all of it. All of it. And so it's not just about your specific team, but their path to success and their path to a

record, right? The flaw in the argument for SMU, which spent a bunch of money to get into the ACCC and then to field their team, or Indiana that spent a ton of money and had a soft schedule. but beat up on the Big Ten is not to say, hey, well, we spent money and look, you know, we got this huge payroll. You know, Indiana was like a $15 million payroll, which was a big, big amount. The difference is in the SEC in both football and basketball, every team you play, every team you play in basketball has a $2 to $4, $5 million payroll.

Whereas when you're in the ACC, for example, they have teams with three and four million dollar payrolls, but they have teams that are about a million. And there is a, there's just a difference. And when you have, when you have a payroll that's a million dollars or whatever, and you go all in on one or two players, and all of a sudden one of those guys gets hurt,

or one of those guys isn't as good as the billing, or maybe hasn't been able to level up to the ACC, now, of a sudden, you don't have the depth to contend on a daily basis in your conference. even though you're better than most of the other teams because, again, you have a million dollar payroll. Am I making sense? So, I, look, I still love the tournament.

I grew up watching it. I can quote chapter and verse, all of the different upsets. The moment that changed my existence as a basketball player wanting to do it happened about 30 minutes or on broadcasting from Doug Gottliebun for Colin. This is heard on Fox Sports Radio and the IHeart Radio app. We're broadcasting from Sherman Oaks, California. at Long Beach Arena, where my dad for three years was an assistant coach under the great techs winner at Long Beach Arena in, was it 1990?

I think it was 1990. Might have been 91. The first game after Hank Gathers had passed away, Loyola Merriman took on New Mexico State. And I'll never forget it. You know, I'd watch the semifinals when, Hank went down. I had known both of those guys from the pump basketball camp where I was a camper and those guys played pickup ball at C-San, Cal State Northridge, where we stayed at night

and they were godlike figures. And when Hank died, it was soul-crushing to somebody who idolized him and thought, I mean, he looked like a Greek God. I watched them play and they came out in and everything was adorned in maroon uniforms with 44s everywhere. And when I saw Bo Kimball dribble three times with his right hand and switch it and shoot to his left hand to copy his fallen friend and teammate who kind of like the kid from Wofford, switched to shooting free throw his left-handed because he was so bad at shooting them right-handed. And then he made the free throw. And there wasn't a dry eye in the place. I was like, this is what I want to do.

I want to play in it. I want to cover it. I want to coach it. So that emotion still exists, but let's not kid ourselves. We're in a weird place where like literally Tennessee has 40, I would, I would guess at minimum 30 times greater salaries than that of Wofford tonight. 30 times. I'll check my math during the break.

That's what I'll do. But I think I got that right. I may have over-exaggerated, but I think I got it right. If you're somewhere like $4 million and there's somewhere in the, you know, 150 to 200, what is that ratio?

You guys work that out. Coming up next in the herd, John Fanta's going to join us. If you love college basketball, Well, John is everywhere. He does play by play. He does reporting. He does sideline.

The madness is about to tip off. I'm going to ask him what's one upset he sees happening today. That's next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers.

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Which is weird, right? Because when you go to Lulville, they say welcome to Lulville, but everything is the Ville. Wouldn't it be the Ville? If they pronounce it, Woolville? I'm very, very confused. I don't know. Anyway, they're taking on Creighton. This is, it's in Lexington.

One of the things that people make a big deal of is where the game is played. Oh my gosh. Home court advantage. Yeah. I mean, last night, Xavier was playing in Dayton, which is 45 minutes from campus. A little bit different in terms of, I thought that was a legitimate home court advantage in their comeback win over Texas. But playing on your arch rivals home floor.

against Creighton that travels well at like at noon. It's not that big. What do the kids say? It's not that deep. It's not that deep. By the way, I've been hanging out of my son here for the last couple days. I'm telling you, my vernacular is getting way better. Way, way better.

Nothing more hip than when your son's 16. Happy birthday to my son Hayes Gottlie. Let's welcome in John Fanta, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports College Basketball Reporter. He does play-by-play. You'll see him on field of 68. If you follow college basketball, you know about that podcast, which also you can view online. And he joins us now as the NCAA tournament kicks off. John, let me ask you about last night.

You know, you cover the Big East a ton for Fox. And Xavier had a huge comeback win against Texas. And there's several reports that Rodney Terry will be let go. And additional reports that Sean Miller will be the next head coach of Texas. Texas. What have you heard in regards to the Texas situation? Well, what we know, and Doug, great to be with you on what is a holiday, is that Chris Delcanti was very interested in Sean Miller the last time he was trying to hire a head coach, but Texas beat Xavier in the NCAA tournament, which was quite ironic in the Sweet 16. So then you weren't going to not keep Rodney Terry as head coach. Rodney had done his part to keep that job. To keep that job. job and it felt like the natural right move.

But now, there's an irony to these two paths crossing again, but Terry has not gotten Texas to a level that they believe they should be at, which I got to say, Doug, for the last 15 years, Texas has been not achieving the level that they want to achieve in any sport because at Texas, they aspire at a football school to win national championships and everything. Well, to me, that's a you problem, Texas. You keep selecting these head coaches, some of which have been good, honestly. Now, the Chris Beer thing ended the way that it did for off-the-court reasons. But like, you know, Shaka Smart found a proper home for himself in Marquette.

There's a larger picture discussion. The point is, yes, Chris Delcadze, if this search opens up, which I think it will, Shaw Miller's number one on his list. Then it comes down to Shaw making a decision. You know, he built a house in Cincinnati. So, you know, as you know, build a house, you can sell it. And then you take the Texas job and you get a ton of NIL. And if that's what you want, and if that's what you're looking to do in your career and go to the Southeastern Conference,

then that's what he's going to get. And he's one of the best, he's one of the better coaches in the sport. I'd say he's a top 15 coaching college, top 15 to 20 coach in college basketball. If not, you know, top 10 to 12, he's that good. you know, we'll see. We'll see if Xavier giving him a chance in a new lease on life if that plays a part at all,

it's not that the musketeers don't have money. They'll put up a lot of money to try to keep him. They just don't have Texas money. Yeah. No, I mean, it's interesting because a little backstory, John Fanta joining us here. I'm Doug Godlebin for Collins to the herd. You go back to his fourth year at Xavier. Fourth year at Xavier. And the Oklahoma State job

was open and Mike Holder, the then AD at Oklahoma State, asked me to reach out to Sean, or at first he asked me like, who would you hire? And I was like, man, I'd hire Sean Miller. So I called Sean and Sean said at the time, hey, listen, Xavier gave me a chance when, and this is the first time around. Xavier gave me a chance when nobody else would. So I'm going to stay here for five years. If you look at my contract, the buyout goes way down after my fifth year. I told them I would stay at least five years. And so there was definitely loyalty there. I know it's a business where so many people think there's no sort of loyalty.

But Sean does have some. And the fact that Sean got fired to Arizona and Xavier didn't think twice and brought him back, I think shows again their mutual loyalty. But you know what else it is, Doug? Yeah. No stress. He's no stress at Xavier. None. You're never going to be under pressure.

Like, yeah, they have standards. Yes, they want to make the Sweet 16. The program's never made a Final Four. If he ever got close to that, you know, he already is a Xavier great for his multiple stints at the job. You go to Texas, Doug, you know what it is. You're going to win? You're going to contend for Final Four?

You're going to go deep in the tournament? You know, you go two years there and you haven't done that. Oh, well, he answers year three. You know, there's pressure on now. Texas is an unrelenting pressure-packed job if you're at the football program, if you're at the basketball program. So if he wants that, then they're going to back up the brink truck, and that's why you make the move.

But, you know, this is a guy who you're right. He is loyal. I know how much pride he has to be in the Big East and go to New York City for the conference tournament. And, Doug, you know this well. That's not just some other event. like he enjoys being a part of that whole equation. And only he can think and fathom what he ultimately wants to do. But there's no question he's at the top of Texas's list.

Doug Goddiven for Collins to hurt, Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. Of course, you have John Fanta joining us. He's a Fox Sports Radio, kind of every, Fox Sports kind of everything college basketball, right? Just kind of immersed himself in it. Great play-by-play guy. And of course, he does some college basketball reporting as well as work with field of 68. What did you think of Gary DeVries? And he takes the Indiana job.

And during his press conference, he was like, look, they were really respectful of my season coming, you know, my season and wait until it concluded. So it feels like this one had been done for a bit. Did that surprise you in any way? It actually really surprised me because I can't tell you how many times I've heard, you know, an agent say, well, there's something to be said about going two years or three years before you take the next job. Now, Indiana is an exception, right? It's not to me in 2025, you know, you've had to achieve major success in the last decade of 15 years. I don't put Indiana in Blue Blood Tier A. I really do not.

What? Not T-R-A. Come on, bro. No, man. Well, hold on. Here's your issue. Here's your issue. Hold on.

Here's your issue. John, here's your issue, okay? You're kind of timeless, so people will be surprised. How old are you? I'm 29. That's why. No, it's Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Carolina are in T-R-A. Indiana is not in the same classroom.

Well, again, so you're talking the super high major elite. Most people would put UCLA in that. Some people think not. Right. I mean, because they have more titles than anybody else. If you want to put Tier B, that's fine. But like, if we're cheering this thing out. The difference is if you grow up there. Listen, again, I'm becoming an old man, right?

I'm becoming an old man. I am not yet. There's not a five next to my name just yet soon, but not yet. But when, I mean, it's Indiana. I mean, it is still India. It's, you know what it is? It's Alabama football before they got Saban. It's Alabama football before they got Saban.

And there will be a guy that will wake that place up. And whoever that guy is, if it's Darien, like, great. But somebody will wake that place up. Anyway, go ahead. I apologize. I apologize because I've heard that sentiment from other people. But go ahead. No, I hear you.

When you've made two Final Four since 1987, that's... Well, yeah, I mean, then we have to put Yukon in. in any territory as well, right? Like if you're 20, you didn't list Yukon. Yukon's won, what, five national titles with three different coaches. Connecticut is more so than Indiana. Connecticut would be in the pecking order with what they have done with six and 25 years. It's absolutely absurd.

They're right there. They're ahead. If I were to, okay. Needless to say, I was surprised. Because you're in your first year on the job. I thought, you know, Darren was a really good hire for West Virginia. love the hire, they're off to a really nice start. You know, people are jarred by this, and they, frankly, they should be.

I mean, I don't blame Darren for taking this job because I think, like you said, if he gets it back, that that place is, that fan base, that brand, how they move the needle on television, speaks for itself. It's next level. But it did surprise me to hear just how transparent and how open it was that, you know, he had been engaging in conversations in his first year at another high major big 12 job. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's nutty.

It's really, really nutty. It is. Who gets Iowa? Well, you know, I think Ben McCollum is at the top of their list. I also think there's a chance, Ben, I know Ben's got the roots and whatnot. I know he's obviously done a great job at Drake, but I almost think, not to be. flight Iowa here. Don't, no.

Come on, man. You're from Iowa, okay? And obviously he's going to bring Ben Sturts with him, who's a star point guard. If you haven't seen him, he's fabulous. We played against them. He's awesome. Right? No, I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides.

It's going to be him. My only point would be, I think he's an absolute superstar and could get an even bigger job. It's a great win for Iowa. I think it's a great one for it. If I were Villanova, I'd be calling Ben McCullen. I don't think, I'm not sure it works there, but it's, it is, what is going on with Villanova? There was so much talk of Chris Collins.

Their season's done, Nova's season's done, but Chris Collins is not the head coach, so what's going on in Nova? Well, Porter Moser is the number one name right now, and obviously Porter took Loyola, Chicago go to the final four, and now at Oklahoma, he's got Connecticut tomorrow night, which is kind of an interesting backdrop, considering he's going up against the Big East School. But I, Jay Wright is, you know, he's still an active member of things that Villanova does. Of course, he's going to be. And Eric Rodel, the new athletic director, comes over from Oregon. And Eric, you know, I think the way that they're looking at this is, you can go one or two,

ways. You get somebody on the rise, but there's not a ton of those guys right now in the cycle on this crazy carousel. You also know, Doug. The next two days, a coaching hero could be born. That's why the madness is so amazing. It could change somebody's life in front of our eyes. But I think that they're looking at a veteran, like the Collins, the Moser discourse. You know, the name that was outside the box was if Mick Cronin ever didn't pan out at UCLA, but I think Nick's going to be at UCLA. Some of the negativity of January and some of the discourse coming out of there

was a little bit eye-opening, but I don't think he's going anywhere. I think they're in a place where it's down to Moser. I mean, Collins is still in the race, I suppose, and don't sleep on Richard Petino. I think that Rick is going to try his best. If Ryan Odom's not at Virginia, which Ryan Odom's going to be at Virginia,

in my humble opinion, if he weren't at Virginia would have been a slam dunk for Villan over to hire him. But watch out for Richard. Yeah. You know, the one thing is, you know, if you're at the best job in a league, don't leave unless it's at the best job in a league, right? Porter Mosier would leave because they don't have the money at Oklahoma for basketball that everybody else does, whereas Nova does have the money.

But for Richard Bertino, they have the most money in their league, and that's a very powerful, powerful feeling. John Fanta is our guest. I'm Doug Gottliebun for Collins to Hurt, Fox Sports Radio, IHart Radio app. Okay. Who's going down? Right. Everywhere you go, I know everybody wants an upset.

Fanta, give me your upset. I got friends texting me all the time. Like, I need your upset picks. Like, dude, if it's a Horizon League or mid-major, like, I can tell you everything about them. I can tell you a lot about UC San Diego because we studied them a bunch. But who do you think is most likely to pull off the upset in the next two days? Well, I think that there's a lot.

guaranteed double-digit seed winning in the south. In fact, I'll go with multiple double-digit seats. I think UC San Diego will beat Michigan. I never trust a team coming off the Big Ten tournament championship. There's a history of this, and the nation's about to learn more about the player you already know. Aniwa-Newa-Tay Jones. Kid averages 20 a game. He is a stud, but it goes beyond them, Doug.

They've got Hayden Gray, who's an elite defender. You know, they get up in you defensively and really guard. They're so balanced on the other end of the floor. And I just think Michigan's turnover problems. UC San Diego's at the top of the charts in turnover margin. I think it's a problem matchup there. I also really like James Jones and his Yale team again. You know, they pulled it off last year over Auburn.

I know A&M can muck it up and can really make it a battle, but I think that's going to be a game. And I think John Pooleakitas, who is a stud for Yale, I think the Bulldogs are going to be in it. I have Carolina beating Ole Miss. That's not the trendy Cinderella upset, but I could see Lipscomb. Watch out for Lipscomb. They got a kid named Jacob Agnesovic that's averaging over 20 per game,

and if you look at the Bisons and the style that they play, I think it could give Iowa State some problems. You've got to – Iowa State also does another point guard, you know. They don't. And that's the big reason why is that Lipscomb has a top 75 offense. Iowa State doesn't have Keeshawn Gilbert. So, you know, that's something that I'm keeping an eye on.

If Liberty were playing anyone other than Oregon, I would probably have taken Richie McKay's team. But, Doug, I respect Dana Altman way too much. I'm heading over to the arena after we talk for Purdue and High Point. And I think Allen Huss could give Purdue a run for their money this afternoon. Yeah. And by the way, Purdue, High Point, they don't have Purdue money, but they actually have a lot of money.

And so it's a talented roster. And Agnesovic is from Sheboygan. So don't start me with Wisconsin kids that are somewhere else that everybody and all my donors like, hey, why didn't you have him? I wasn't there. I wasn't here. I can't recruit guys that I would, five years ago, last three years when I wasn't here.

Anyway, Fanta, I love catching up on radio. Can't wait to do it in person, hopefully at the first. Final four, thanks so much for being our guest. You know, Doug, I hope you're not tied up against the breaks on, but I do want to say this to you. I respect the heck out of you for doing what you've done and taking the Green Bay job. And I also think it's really cool. Some of the things that you just did in year one, whether it be engaging with fans, you know, your fan base, your community, and getting your kids to kind of see the bigger picture.

I could tell that you're showing them the bigger picture of life, and I know it's hard as hell. And if I went on the sidelines, I don't even want to picture that because we wouldn't be any good. And so I'm rooting for you, man, and know that you've got a fan in me and I think a lot of us because we want to see this pan out. And I give you a lot of credit because I know it wasn't the easiest of year ones, but I could tell your kids never stopped competing, and that's what life's about. I appreciate it. They did. They fought hard for us. And just know, November 3rd, we're opening at Northwestern.

I believe that'll be available, either Big Ten Network or FS1, would love to have you on the call. You can duke it out with Revson. You know, Revers right down the street, one of you two. Got a couple potential. We're talking with the Butler Bulldogs about playing in Hinkle. I was one of coaching in Hinkle as well. We'll get it, sorry. I'm just imagining Dave Repson with boxing gloves.

That kind of was funny to think about. Thanks, Doug. All right. See if John Fants' choice. Let's get to Ryan. No, we're not doing Ryan Music with the News? We're doing Ryan Music with News next? Okay. Did you guys see what Luca did last night?

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It's the Hurt. Doug Galdiv in for Hurt, NCAA, NCAA Tournament underway. The Blue Jays and the Cardinals, right? The Cardinals? I love the nickname thing. I love the nicknames. I'll be honest with you.

I don't know High Point's nickname. I'm going to have to find that one out. They're pretty good. Creighton is beating Louisville, 2821. That one I do have in my bracket. Pat Kelsey's done a great job, but I think that's kind of a lame nickname there from High Point. No offense to the High Point Panthers, but

he got to have a better nickname that. Don't you? Panthers? What was tight? Well, all the tigers taken? And Bulldogs? Right? Like, I'm just, you're mailing it in if you go,

if you go tigers, Panthers, or Bulldogs. Any others? Tigers, Panthers, Bulldogs? I think you're kind of mailing it in in terms of nicknames. There's no list of new nicknames. He goes, no, hold, hold on.

Tigers. Tigers. Oh, it's gold, Jerry. Gold. Anyway, high points up, 8-5 on Purdue. I will say that, like, again, I think Alan Huss, who's, does a fantastic job.

He's another, former Creighton assistant. But if Purdue would lose again early, like, yikes. I know they got the national championship game last year, but like, whew, but it's hard. Anyway, well, let's talk some Lakers. We got a little football news. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Doug, good morning. Good to be here with you. As you pointed out, High Point Purdue. Early in the first half, tight one. Have you ever seen High Points campus? I have not. To be honest, I'm not sure I know where High Point is. High Point is in North Carolina.

Okay. It is. Nice. Okay. It's like a country club. Nice. No, I'm serious. People Google like, what?

You can go to school there? Like, yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Crazy nice. Wow. And in the other game, we have Creighton, Louisville. I was there last year.

I called the tournament championship. They lost at home. So I called Longwood won it. Longwood, another really nice campus. Oh, yeah. Very nice. Very nice. The wood is very long.

Long one. But High Point is, the campus is crazy nice. 28, 21, about seven minutes into the first half with nine-seed Creighton, taken on eight-seed Louisville. All right, here we go. Let's turn our attention from college basketball to pro basketball. We had some history in the NBA last night in the most unexpected way, maybe from the most unexpected place. 34 points in only 19 minutes from Sandrew Mamukalash Vili. That's right.

Of the Spurs. Fourth year player comes off the bench. Caught fire like nobody ever has in the history of the league. I will repeat that. He scored 34 points going 13 to 14 from the field, 7 of 7 from 3. and only played 19 minutes. First player in league history to score 34 points in under 20 minutes played. That's a heater, Doug.

That is a heater. Vinny Johnson somewhere sitting up going like, that's the real microwave. Instead of the microwave, he can be the air friar. Yeah, seriously. The airfire. Just a quick update, my air friar skills are amazing. Airfire skills are amazing.

Amazing. So what does that entail? I mean, I can make all the fried chicken, fried the fish, whatever, but again, it's air-friars, so there's no oil. And then what I really do is there's a company Malat Meats

and I have like a freezer full of like, you know, I'm a big hangar steak guy. Okay. I can take a frozen hangar steak, salt it up, put it in there. 18 minutes later, perfection. Huh. Interesting. I'm telling you, I'm all,

My team wasn't any good, but my air fryer skills. Elite. I want to go back to the fried chicken. Now, are you just calling it fried chicken because you've put it in the air fryer, or are we actually breading it? No, you bread it. Okay. Yeah, you brewed it. All right.

Does anyone on earth not like fried chicken? I'm not sure it's possible. Right? The only thing you don't like about fried chicken is it's cooked in oil. I'm pretty sure the government puts you on a specific list if you say you don't like fried chicken, because there are some suspicious things going on in your life. Correct. Okay. So as somebody who loves fried chicken, you used to make fried chicken, then I was like, that's really not good for you.

Right. Even when you try and do the olive oil, which, you know, when olive oil, it gets hot. Why are you wasting your time? Anyway, yeah, bread it up. You know, I got, I have, I got the whole thing going. All right. I know how to do the whole mixture, double dip that sucker, throw in the air fire. Again, crispy, brown. I mean, the Colonel Sanders actually knocked on my door is like, I smelled some.

fried chicken. It was really good. Your recipe. I need it. All right. I'll buy it. First team all air fryer. First team all air fryer. Well done. Well done, Doug. All right. I'm sticking in the NBA here. Big sale. That's right. The Boston Celtics, the Grossbeck family, has sold the Boston Celtics at a valuation of $6.1 billion.

That's right. The reigning NBA champs have been sold to Bill Chisholm, a managing partner of Symphony Technology Group, is buying the Boston Celtics. So a tech guy bought it? Tech guy bought it. Largest sale of a sport in North America. Sports franchise in North America. Nerds continue to run the earth. Undefeated.

Can you imagine like he came home? Honey, I picked some of the store. What you pick up? Celtics. NBA franchise. How much? 6.1 billion. What?

When we were kids, you're not that old, right? Those of us who are old enough. Like, everything was be a doctor or a lawyer, right? Sure, yeah. That's who makes the money. Now it's tech or finance. Definitely. Tech or finance.

So the gross spec, didn't they buy it for like 300-some million? Yeah, this 2002 bought for 360 million. Sold it for 6.1? Yeah, that's pretty good. That's not bad. It's a good ROI. I like that. Pretty good ROI.

I personally would feel pretty good about that if that were me. I think so. All right, you make a billion dollars. What do you do? Buy an island probably. Because that's what Larry Ellison did. He did. He was just like...

He bought an island of Hawaii. He did just buy an island. He was like, he was like, oh, I'm going to buy that little island. He bought one of the Hawaiian islands. Right. Like 99% of that. I don't know... I don't know what the going...

He owns the Linae, right? Yes. I'm not sure what the going rate of an island is these days, but I think if I got a billion, I could probably figure out how to get one. Colin went like... Colin went ranch. Right? He went ranch.

Definitely. Because when I think of Colin, I think ranch. Yeah, look, I don't have... I got nothing against a ranch, but I'm... Yeah, give me the water. Give me the ocean. I don't need... I'll go pet a horse, but I don't need to, like, take care of them.

Sounds like a lot of work. They are a lot of work. They're also a lot of minds. Yes. Trust me. And that's right. Music with the News. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. So I golly, I'm in for Colin. This is The Herd. Okay. Creighton continues to lead 3125 and High Point is up 11 to 9 on Purdue. It is also interesting that schools like Purdue who went to the national championship game last year. Like last year they literally went to the national championship game.

But we still hold it against them the early tournament exits of the past. I mean, I guess rightfully so. You lose to it, St. Peter's as a one seed. It's interesting, you would think there's a recency bias, which, hey, here's the national runner up. They got their back court back. You know, they have an All-American inside as well. And yet, just us as sports fans, all we can think of is, isn't the team lost to St.

Peters? And once upon a time, they lost to Arkansas Little Rock as well in the first round of the tournament. All right, coming up next here in The Herd. We know what Aaron Rogers is going to do this weekend, right? Like, you know the expression that tracks? What Aaron Rogers is doing and will do this weekend, tracks. I'll prove it to you next. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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