The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Jimmy G, NBA rumors, Tiger Woods

Episode Date: July 12, 2022

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IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. Nick Wright's in studio today. He's out in Los Angeles, so we'll have a lively show today. There is a lot of stuff. Tiger now rips the live tour. Kyrie to the Mab's not happening. Westbrook and LeBron don't like each other potentially

and Jimmy Garoppolo to the Seahawks potentially. Joey, how are you? I'm great. There's a lot going on for the middle of the summer. There is. I feel good about today's show. And Baker Mayfield's going to have a press conference in 35 minutes. Spicy.

Spicy. All right, let me start with this. Usually trades work if they make sense for both teams. Kyrie Lakers makes sense for both teams. Jimmy Garoppolo to the Seahawks, Jeremy Fowler, a very trustable reporter who breaks a lot of stories, says Seahawks are considering it.

Here's why this makes sense. Number one, the Niners value Garapolo as a really good starter. They like him a lot. If he didn't have injury issues, they wouldn't have drafted Trey Lance. They like him a lot. He went to Lambo and won. He outplayed Mahomes for most of a Super Bowl. They like him a lot.

The injury stuff worries you. They don't want to give him away. Because of his shoulder surgery, he's going to get a fifth round pick. There's one exception. Seattle in the Russell Wilson trade has two number ones and two number twos next year. And San Francisco believes they can get a second round pick for Garapolo, only from Seattle. Everybody else will say, I'm not giving you a second round pick for Jimmy. But San Francisco can go to Seattle and say, time out.

you think I'm going to give Jimmy Garoppolo to a division rival with a chance he's going to come back and beat us twice a year? You're going to pay the price for that, and they're right. San Francisco can get much more from Seattle, not because they're desperate. I think they're kind of tanking without advertising their tanking with Drew Locke and Gino Smith. But San Francisco can argue, and there may be some precedent behind this, that we're not going to give a division rival a franchise quarterback for a fifth round pick. you have to pay for the right to potentially burn us. So San Francisco can get what they believe Garoppolo is worth,

the first or a second round pick. And I think Seattle, and this is why it works for Seattle. I'm not being an agist. Pete Carroll's 70. Does he really want to rebuild at this point in his career at 70? If Pete Carroll was 42 years old or Sean McVeigh, I'm like, and by the way, had a fresh new seven-year contract like Shanahan had when he got to the Niners, a long contract, by all means.

Let's play the long game. Pete Carroll's got great energy. He didn't want to rebuild. And remember, there is no Andrew Locke or Trevor Lawrence in next year's college draft. C.J. Stroud, like him. Right now, he's not the prospect Justin Fields was, and we don't know if Justin Fields can make it. Bryce Young is small, weighs under 200 pounds. There's a kid at Kentucky, Will Levis, I think could be better than both.

I have no idea. Let's watch him play, but he's a really good player. So Garoppolo, if you put him in Seattle. What is Garoppolo? He's not a playmaker, but he can engineer. He can be a distributor. Seattle now has Noah Fant. Very good tight end.

D.K. Metcalf. Tyler Lockett. And I believe they have the rookie of the year on their roster, Kenneth Walker, the Michigan State running back. Those guys with Jimmy Garoppolo, that's what he does. He delivers the tight ends. He delivers to a star receiver. He can hand the ball to Kenneth Walker.

Seattle has rebuilt their offensive line. So this makes sense. And over the next two years, Jimmy Garoppolo, is absolutely going to be better than Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, or Will Levis? Absolutely. So he only has one year left on his contract. So his agent is Don Yee. You go to Don Yee if you're Seattle and you're saying, listen, we'll give him two years. We'll give him an extra year in the contract, maybe a three-year team-friendly deal because he's only got one year left. You guys all bang on Garapolo. Did you not watch the Super Bowl with Mahomes?

Garopolo may have a lower ceiling. Didn't look nervous in Lambo to me. didn't look nervous in the Super Bowl to me. He's not a great deep ball thrower. If he hits one deep ball, he's a Super Bowl champ. But that's not what he does. That's what Josh Allen does. That's what Lamar Jackson can do some things. But we know we don't classify him as a thrower like a Joe Burrow.

Garoppolo can do some things. We don't classify him as a thrower like a Kyler Murray or Patrick Mahomes. But this one makes sense to me. Does a 70-year-old coach want to do a rebuild? I don't think he does. And, you know, we talk about this a lot. Joey and I talk about this. I like draft picks, too.

But the Rams keep giving up all their best draft picks in winning. Jimmy Garoppolo can play right now. What about his shoulder? People do this for a living. He's not the first quarterback that's had a shoulder surgery. By the time Peyton Manning went to Denver, he was on his fourth neck surgery or something. I mean, this is what doctors do. Baseball players all over the sport have had Tommy John surgery.

This is what doctors do. This is what athletes do. They rehab. Garapolo is pretty good at rehab. He does it a lot. So I think this deal makes a lot of sense. I think San Francisco can demand more. And I think Seattle can give more because of the Russell Wilson trade.

And I don't think Seattle wants to go in a two-year rebuild. By the way, it's one thing to rebuild in the NFL. Do you really want to rebuild in a division with Sean McVe, Matt Stafford, Kyle, a Kyler Murray? I don't mind rebuilding in the NFC East. or when Brady lives in the NFC South, I don't really want to rebuild against Sean McVeigh. I don't want to get trampled for years.

I don't want to rebuild against Kyler Murray. I don't want to rebuild against those guys. And I think this roster right now for San Francisco, they have to figure the Trey Lance thing out fast. They got to figure this thing out by Thanksgiving. Can the dude play or not? This is year two for him. He didn't play year one much.

It's year two. By Thanksgiving, they'll know in the room. It doesn't work. But you got to figure that out, right? And Garoppolo in the buildings not helping out. I think this one could happen. All right, this is interesting. So sometimes, a lot of times, I disagree with NBA reporters and diehards.

I don't believe you can just throw a bunch of players together and win. It works in the Olympics because a lot of times we're playing teams that don't have very good players. In the NBA, if you take out the bottom five or six teams, everybody's got dudes, right? And even those teams have a dude, maybe one. most everybody in the NBA has got two or three nice players. So Kyrie to the Mavericks is something that Dallas thought about, and the Dallas Mavericks has decided to not do the Kyrie Irving deal. And I think this tells me Dallas is really smart.

And this is a prime example where I disagree with a lot of NBA people. So Luca and Kyrie would probably get a lot of press and work briefly. But they're both temperamental. They're both poor defenders. I've told you about Luca, get over it. He'll never be a great defender. Move on. Steph's never been a great defender.

He's tried. He'll never be a great defender. So they're temperamental, both. They're both poor defenders, and they both believe they should have the final shot. There's no Robin here. Now, that worked briefly with Shaq and Kobe, but one was a big and one was a perimeter player.

These guys need the ball. There is no Robin on this team. Michaela always knew who got the shot. Right? Pippanoa knew who got the shot. Manu Genoblee in San Antonio knew who got the shot. So this doesn't work. Luca and Kyrie sounds great on paper.

It does not work. And now you say to yourself, well, KD and Kyrie worked. That's different. KD is probably to me leaving his prime. He sees basketball from 33,000 feet. Luca's entering his prime. He didn't want to be told, hey, can you manage this relationship? can you give him the final shot tonight? Nobody told Michael Jordan that in the first seven years of his

career. Give Orlando Woolridge the shot tonight. Give it to Quentin Daly. Now, after Jordan had been beat up again and again and again in the playoffs, and Phil Jackson came in and said, hey, sometimes pass the ball to Pippin. Sometimes give it to Cooke coach or Kerr. But you have to remember, when you're a professional athlete and you are a basketball player at 24, 25, whatever Luca is, he is going to be the number one score in the NBA like Jordan was for the next 10 years. You knew watching Jordan, he could score 45 a night. You know watching Luca, he can score 45 a night. Now is not the time to say, hey, give Kyrie the shot tonight. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do what the Bulls did. Get the other guys out of town. Every night should be, how do we make Luca comfortable?

How do we elevate Luca? And I've said this before. There is a perfect player for Luca. they're just not going to be able to get him. His name is Clay Thompson. Non-temperimental, very stoic, catch and shoot, doesn't need the ball in his hands, excellent defender. Now, Clay's not a good defender today because of the surgeries, as he was three years ago. But that's the perfect player.

Dallas, this is not, this would make slam magazine. This would get columns. This would get hype. It wouldn't work for very long. There'd be nights it worked. There'd be moments, there'd be highlight. It would play on Twitter. But in the end, bad defender, not a great teammate, can be temperamental and wants the final shot.

He already got that. And he's a better version of that. And his name is Luca, who does not have an injury history. So this to me is a really smart move not getting involved. Also, you're going to ask Jason, kid. When Kyrie comes in the building, you know, Luca should not be asked to be LeBron at this point in his career. Again, K.D. and LeBron, Janus is entering this space where he's sort of playing above the game. It's established. The legacy. He's great. Sometimes you can lean on

Janus now and go, listen, this guy's a little temperamental. Can you put him under his wing? That's not what you're asking Luca yet. Maybe Luca's there after a title. But Luca is in that tunnel, that pursuit of greatness. He doesn't have a lot of stuff to lean into. He doesn't have a lot of playoff wins. He doesn't have a title. What is his legacy? He can score. Sometimes he's out of shape. He can't defend. He's building that legacy. Don't let anybody get in the way. In fact, when Dallas lost out, Jalen Brunson went to the Knicks, there was a lot of criticism for it. I thought it was, I thought it was actually a good move. Jalen Brunson's a poor defender. He's small. Jalen Brunson wants the ball in his hands. Jalen Brunson views himself as a frontline score in the NBA. And he may be that with New York.

I don't know if he will, but he views himself like that. That's not what Luca needs. He needs Bradley Beal. Catch and shoot, defend. Great teammate knows he's not the one. That's what he needs. Clay Thompson, catch and shoot plus defender. OK, B in a 2.

So this move shouldn't have happened, better than it didn't happen. Mark Cuban has one job over the next five or six years. Find your Clay Thompson. Stoic, defends. Robin. That's your job. Can you do it? They couldn't do it with Dirk, but they still got a title. All right. Tiger Woods now taking shots at golfers. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Here we go. You know, I don't talk, I don't spend a lot of time talking golf, but I will come again and defend, and I like Tiger, and I like Rory, but I see a little hypocrisy here. That's around the corner.

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So Tiger Woods last week it was Rory McElroy. You know I love Rory McElroy. The European version of Tiger Woods won all those majors, four early majors in his career. You know I love me some Tiger Woods. was always a tiger guy more than a filled guy. I liked his energy. I liked his enthusiasm, his passion.

He swore. He looked more like an athlete. I was a tiger guy. I will defend him to the core, have multiple times, even during the roughest turbulence of his life. A little bit of a hypocrite here. He's talking about the PGA tour, ripping the guys that went to play on the live tour.

To play there, I disagree with it. I think that what they've done is they've turned their back on what has allowed them to get to this position. What these players are doing for guaranteed money, what is the incentive to practice? What is incentives to go out there and earn in the dirt? Well, I know that what PGA Tour stands for and what we have done, and what the tour has given us the ability to chase after our careers and to earn what we get. I'm not here to bash the PGA Tour. Like college basketball, it is a platform.

And you can get massive advertising revenue and shoe and club revenue when you play on the tour. The tour is very redeemable in many ways. I think they've hoarded too much money and the charity thing is a bit of a grift. but the PGA tour has real value. But I would like to remind Tiger Woods and Rory McElroy, when Rory McElroy won those four majors by 2014, you know what he did? He didn't play many PGA events, only the ones with money and prestige. And I love Rory.

The PGA has 45 events a year. We looked it up this morning. You know how many? When Tiger was in his prime and dominating golf, you know how many he was playing in an average year? About 10. The ones with money, the ones with prestige, or like the memorial because of its connection to Jack Nicholas. I defended Tiger then, but it's a bit of a hypocrisy now. Tiger and Rory both, when they started making big boy money,

45 PGA events, they were picking and choosing the ones they wanted to be in. And for the record, one year Tiger played eight PGA events, the same number of golf events. on the live tour. All right, just throwing that out there. By the way, I hear this. Tiger says, well, what's the grind then? I mean, if you have guaranteed money, I don't know, you mean like the NFL, the NBA and baseball?

Patrick Mahomes has guaranteed money. Do you think he drives to work every day thinking, I'm on easy street. I'm going to go eat donuts. I'm going to go to the chief's facility on the right or a donut shop on the left. I'm going left. A lot of people have guaranteed money.

It's called CEOs. It's Wall Street banker. You're either driven or you're not. You could have guaranteed Tiger Woods money forever. Tiger Woods was different. He was driven. Tom Brady's got guaranteed money. Kevin Durant's got guaranteed money.

LeBron's got guaranteed. It doesn't mean anything. You're either driven or you're not in life. Coach Kay signed a 10-year contract. Do you think he drove to work saying, I don't care if I lose to the tar heels? Who cares about the tournament? I got my money. Pro athletes are driven.

90% of them, especially the all-time greats, are obsessed with winning. So I don't buy that argument. The other thing is it's all about the money. You find me a government, a conference, an owner, a player who is at some point not driven by money. The NBA has a longstanding relationship with China, with massive human rights violations. They do it singularly for the money.

They don't do it because they think China's a bunch of good guys and a great government and weren't. They do it for the money. The International Olympic Committee put. the Olympics, the summer Olympics in Soshi, exclusively for the money. You have never once said to your wife, where do you want to go this summer?

Soshi. I've always wanted to go to that resort. No, you'll go to Madrid, you'll go to the Cayman Islands. You're not going to Sosci. You know and I know. Where's the World Cup this year? Dubai.

Because of the money, I'm going to guess playing in the desert, probably not the greatest place for a World Cup. So that's what I've said. You can bang on these golfers all you want. But there's 45 tour events. And when Tiger and Rory were crushing it, they were picking and choosing. They weren't loyal to the PGA. When Tiger backed out of one tournament in Denver, the thing collapsed.

They all needed. Tiger was so big. He was like MJ. If Tiger didn't play in your tournament, you couldn't sell the tournament. Nobody wanted to put it on television. Nobody would watch the tournament. So, listen, you don't have to join the live tour. I've said before, if I was a young golfer, I wouldn't.

I would have a lot of trouble as a young golfer. As an old golfer going for the bag at 52 no longer went on the tour, that's a hard one. That's not as easy as you think. It's amazing the valor and the moral fortitude many of you have who have never actually been offered 150 million. You're all moralists. Just saying, I love me some tiger. But everybody's got a short memory on this loyalty to the PGA tour. And it does as a platform elevate you.

Like college basketball. I've been arguing forever. The G-League college basketball. If my son was an NBA player, I would send him to college. It's a cooler environment. He'll be coached harder. He'll be coached better, better training staffs. I am for college basketball for a year.

I don't want him tied to there forever if he can play. G-League, don't see. I don't even know who Zion is without college basketball. I don't know who Jalen Suggs is without college basketball. I've still never seen Jalen Green. play. I hear he's great. How would I know? He played in the G League. There's a team in town I couldn't find it on a map.

Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. Well, Anthony Davis. They have had some success with Anthony Davis. They did win the title in 2020. I got a big theory. I'm going to give to Nick Wright on this.

Okay. All right, my AD theory. All right. Things haven't exactly gone smoothly the entire time, though. He's missed 88 games of the last two seasons due to injury. 88. That's over an NBA season. So he's looking to change the narrative on his injury concerns. And he's apparently very much in the gym. And Rob Polinka has taken notice.

In the gym. He's bought in. And I think he's quietly putting together, you know, one of the biggest off-season of his career. You can just tell he's got a very serious tone about him. And, you know, last year it didn't unfold the way any of us wanted. and I think everyone's going to come back with a chip on our shoulder, and AD is going to lead us with that.

I think he's working hard. I know he's working really hard on his body. He's a pro athlete. I'd hope so. Well, yeah. I mean, that's kind of where it lands for me. Joy preps for the show. What a professional.

Well, yeah, I mean, I was going to say, like, you know, I went to hot yoga last night. It was really hard. I think my hot yoga day. might be over, I don't know. But like, you know, you and I work out so that we stay healthy. It's not our job to work out. It's not our contract like, hey, you know, you got to be in the gym this many days. But we do prep for the show, right? Like we do the work that we're supposed to do. You can't brag about prepping for our show. That's the minimum asked of us. Prep for the show.

Yes, that's how I feel. Like it is, it is the bare minimum requirement of your job as a professional athlete to be in the gym. And working your arse off in the off season. when you make 42 large a year. Well, that's the other part. Like, that's the bare minimum if you are, like, trying to stay in the league. If you've been paid and there's expectations of you, it's well past the bare minimum. It isn't an assumption. It's like waking up in the morning.

Like, what do you mean? I just, I find it very frustrating when it comes to, to guys of this level that this is a narrative that you have to say. I shouldn't have to even think about this. Well, I always worried, too, is when you have to, you're suddenly bragging about something. Like when you're saying... Don't sell me on it. Yeah, I don't like...

If I have to be sold on how good Mac Jones is again, I'm over it. You know what nobody sold me on? My Holmes. Peter Schrager said he's great. And that was it. Nobody sold you on it. You heard things like, oh, you're not going to believe him. Nobody sold me on Justin Herbert.

He played, he was great. That's like with anything in life. If someone's like really pitching you on something... Like a condo timeshare salesman. That's what it feels like. You start to get a little anxiety. Like, why do I have to be? to be convinced about how good this is.

Like a joke. A joke is funny or it's not. If you have to explain why it's funny, then the joke is not funny. It's not very great. Yeah. I mean, look, I do think that Anthony Davis will come back better this year. But how is that sustainable? Is my question? That's right. And why

does there have to be a chip put on your shoulder at this point just to take care of your body? To get better? Sure. Sometimes people get a little complacent or whatever. Like, that's human nature. But this is just, this feels a little pitchy to me. And I just, I've seen enough with Anthony Davis that I just, I don't think

if this is a lifestyle change. Why does it have to be a lifestyle change? I don't get it. Just be your lifestyle. It's the bare minimum. So DeAndre Aiton is one of the remaining big names still potentially on the move this off season. The sons have been reluctant to give Aiton the max. But Winhorst reports that the Pacers are very close to giving

Aitin and offer sheets or executing a sign-in trade. So that means they're out of the KD deal. I mean, that's what it tells me. They're out of the KD stuff. It's possible that they might be being a little impatient. Yeah. Maybe they've heard from Brooklyn that Brooklyn wants something outrageous.

They do. Two all-star level players is what I read. You're not getting that. It's not on the market. That's not available. Well, again, the Rudy Go Bear Trade is... Screwed it up. It's kind of hanging over.

Tyree Kill deal. You can't give up five... I like Tyree Kill. I can't give up five draft picks for Tyree Kill and have to pay him a fortune. Blew the market up. In three years, we're not going to be giving up five... And I love Tyree Kill. but they went and got to, they drafted a couple receivers, they went and found receivers.

It's like they'll be fine without Tyreek Hill. Well, I think you also have to consider when you look at these trades because this is sort of what we felt like with the Deshawn Watson deal. Like, oh my God, $230 million guaranteed. That's going to be the new standard for quarterbacks. And then everyone's kind of taking a breath now and it's like, oh wait, it's the Cleveland Browns. They don't do anything, right?

Why would we point to them as the North Star for how to get deals done? So everyone just kind of calm down. That's not going to be the future. Do I think more and more money will be guaranteed to quarterbacks? Of course. But that's not going to be the new standard. And we're seeing how that's playing out. So I do think when you're looking at these trades, you have to consider,

was it Miami making that deal? Like, there are certain teams who are in more desperate situations. T-wolves, dolphins. The problem is Brooklyn has all the leverage here. So whether it's reasonable or not, they can sit there and say, well, what else are you going to do? It's a four-year deal. We're going to wait for what's best for us.

So after a two-season trial run, the NBA's play-in tournaments looks like it will be a permanent edition. Adrian Wojornowski report yesterday, the NBA's Board of Governors is expected to make the tournament a yearly occurrence moving forward. It was on a rolling basis, so it seems like it's here to stay. I happen to like the play-in tournament. Sure. More games that matter is good.

There was a little bit of a pushback on it when it was originally introduced, as all new things are, because it's chaos and panic and change. Everybody's freaking out. It makes everyone very uncomfortable. but I think it gives teams motivation at the end of the season. It's a fun watch for fans. I enjoy watching single elimination, whether it leans towards the integrity of the style of the NBA postseason with series or not is a different conversation.

But I like it. Baseball added playoff teams, NFL added playoff teams, NBA's adding playoff possible teams. That's what you should do. That's when we watch sports. There's urgency. Yeah. So that's why we, college basketball's quality is not very. good, but the urgency is huge, and it actually beats the NBA playoffs soundly many instances.

It's not because of the quality. It's because if Michigan's playing, it could be the last game of the year. You have to watch. Yeah, joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Calls First Things First, a spectacular talent.

I used to be his mentor. Now he has grown in stature, and I'm no longer, we're just like back court scores, equals. And here's Nick Wright, joining us on the show who's got a really nice outfit today. boy what you know you've really transformed your your being time you're just talk about my hair and my wardrobe yeah but you really every time you know what you look like an early nick cage i okay he does buddy he appreciate you do you've got a little star in us to you i'll take that over adrian brodie which is what you said last time which was just a nose joke just veiled in a compliment how are you i am good so i'm going to throw something at you yeah um and this has been my theory

for a couple of years that the really smart teams i've said this about andrew wiggins um i think should keep him. But if he went somewhere else, he would not be as good. That's correct. You can hide people's flaws. Belichick did this forever. Popovich did this inside a great culture. So Anthony Davis, there's always that guy who's late to everything. It's a narcissism thing, that I'm more important than you. He's late for everything. Then he gets punished and then he starts showing up on time briefly. But who he is is late guy, habitually late guy. We know who Anthony Davis is. So this is my theory. You get Kyrie because it makes sense. You don't have to give up that much draft pick.

Nobody in L.A. cares about draft picks. That's correct. A.D., to prove a point, is going to have a great first half. And you move him at the, you move them at the deadline. This is such a, go ahead, finish. Because you know he will not off a great year come back next off season in great shape. He's habitually late. Yeah, but what if you win the title?

Oh, boy, they're not a title team. With Kyrie. With the great Anthony Davis year, with the great Anthony Davis year of, very, very good LeBron year and no Kyrie with KCP and Kuzman Caruso, they won a title. So here's that, listen, I understand this is a very anti-Anthony Davis show.

Joy is saying, gee, doesn't get applauded for working out. You have been trying to trade him for months. Years. Here is what I will say about Anthony Davis. And this is, I think, this will contextualize it because people, because the NBA seasons have been at odd times, they've run

together. I'm 37 years old, Colin. On my 30, 36th birthday. Do you know what the lead of the television show was? No. Is Anthony Davis finals MVP? It was less than two years ago. He had back-to-back 32 and 34-point finals games

right after annihilating Nikola Yokic in the Western Conference Finals, hitting a buzzer beater. Everyone at that moment was like, oh yeah, AD versus Yokic, no question. AD versus Yonis. People were like, well, Janus can't do it in the playoffs. Yonis hadn't won yet.

That was less than two years ago. So are we maybe, has it maybe swung a little too far anti Anthony Davis, led by, you know, present company? I'm Jurassic in terms of age. On my 56th birthday, you know what the story was? What? Garoppolo's in the Super Bowl and out playing Mahomes for three quarters. You want to bail on him yesterday. You're so tied to this, the partial moments of the Super Bowl. You're like, oh, Mahomes, the Niners almost won.

They didn't, and I heard you saying this earlier, the Garapolo thing. And I know you want to talk to Anthony Davis. If he could complete a deep ball, he'd be a champion. Or if he didn't throw an interception with literally his eyes closed in that game, maybe he'd be a champion. Or have multiple passes batted down with a two-score lead. Maybe he'd be a champion. But don't compare Jimmy Garoppolo to number one overall pick,

collegiate champion, NBA champion, Anthony Davis. I think he's going to have a very good year. Okay, let's do this basketball one. I think sometimes identifying, even as a host, you identify what you are and what you're not. and then you surround yourself. I've said this before. I surround myself with younger people on my staff.

Why? I'm married with a bunch of kids. I can't sit and watch every NBA game. My staff comes in in the morning, can fill in the blank. So when I build my staff, it's based, I can't hire me on the staff, right? So I try to build a staff. So I think Dallas smartly realized, and I think this is the truth. Luca will never be a good defender.

Stop it. I knew by LeBron's second year when he figures out the defensive end and the NBA, he's going to be fantastic. Luke is never going to be that. And so Jalen Brunson was never going to be that. Christian Woods is never going to be that. Kyrie Irving is never going to be that.

Their job is to find Clay Thompson. Stoic plus defender catch and shoot guy. That Kyrie is a disaster with Dallas, but he is a perfect fit for LeBron. Yeah, well, that I totally agree with. Listen, there's one place that there's one team in the league that it makes sense to give up assets for Kyrie Irving. It is only the Los Angeles Lakers because, A, you have proof of concept that it works with LeBron. B, you have urgency of right now.

You can't really worry about the long term because LeBron's in year 20. And C, LeBron is the only personality big enough in the league to kind of eat up some of the Kyrie Irving nonsense. Right. If you're the Dallas Mavericks, as long as you don't screw it up to where Luca wants to leave, in the next 12 years you're going to win a couple titles, minimum. He's that good. So what you can't do is add a total unknown to the equation, the least reliable, least predictable player in basketball, even if stylistically on the offensive end it could work.

You can't risk souring Luca on the franchise. It's why they traded Christaps for 30 cents on the dollar ostensibly and immediately got better because Chris Staps didn't like playing with Luca. Luca didn't like playing with Chris Staps. It wasn't going to work. As far as pairing him with a great defensive player, the great sports gambler Herobos Volgaris, who you're familiar with, who used to work with the Mavs, when he was there and he's talked about this, he said, don't make the Chris Staps trade.

Save that because I think Drew Holiday is going to come available. and they made the Chris Taps trade and then Drew went to Milwaukee. That's the type of guy that would be the perfect compliment to Luca Donchich. A guy, a great defensive player in the back court, Clay Thompson, maybe a little pre-injury Clay Thompson. Another great example of that. They're going to have to figure it out. But as long as Luca wants to be a Mav, they're going to be great. So you can't add Kyrie Irving to that.

It would make no sense. So Kevin Durant, I compare him a lot to Aaron Rogers. He's fantastic, but he's a lot. and he changes the temperature of your franchise. And so we, and I'll just say me, where I do a really bad job is I often like mobility because it's good for my topics. Sure. I like stars moving. It gives me content.

Fans don't like it. The Brooklyn Nets had terrible ratings. The Cleveland Cavaliers had great ratings. Milwaukee does. Golden State does. Because fans want to put their arms around players. You can't. Put your arms around Kevin Durant.

He won't allow it. And there's no market for him. And you start looking up, the Phoenix Suns are telling you, you're going to do a sign and trade with the Pacers. Is that there is a shot. Brooklyn, there's no market here. Or it's very small. That's my take.

Well, I think it's, I don't know that I agree there's no market. I think that the idea of Brooklyn, I heard the same thing. They want two All-Stars. It's insane. Well, first of all, what teams have two All-Stars? Like the idea we want two all-stars, like so who are you trading with is the first question? And the second question is, by the time that team trades its two all-stars, would that be a place Kevin Durant wants to be? And the answer is almost assuredly no.

And so you are trying to thread a very small needle, which is why every time the KD thing comes up, I will bring up New Orleans. New Orleans has a young all-star in Brandon Ingram, who is a poor man's Kevin Durant. They also have a bounty of picks that they can trade. And if he went there, that team could win. KD plus Zion if he's healthy, plus C.J. McCollum is an overqualified third option. That team can compete in the West. But it is going to be an incredibly difficult trade to make. And you and I, listen, I talked about the 10 guys in the league.

I wouldn't trade for Kevin Durant. And then you, by massive coincidence, a few hours later, did the nine guys. You wouldn't trade for Kevin Durant. I mean, I don't know where you got that idea. But it is not 34 years old. year 16, or he will be 34 at the beginning of the season. I know that they said Brooklyn wanted Carl Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards. I would not trade Anthony Edwards straight up for Katie.

Absolutely not. Katie's better than him right now. But Anthony Edwards is 12 years younger, 12 years younger. So you've got to recognize that. And as you guys mentioned earlier smartly, the Gobert trade did blow up the marketplace a bit. It's a bit of like it's Valentine's Day and you walk outside and you're like, God, did the neighbor buy his wife the Mercedes? Whatever I get her is going to look terrible.

And so I think as we get further removed from the Gobert trade, people are going to realize that was a massive overpay by Minnesota. And I think the marketplace will settle. I don't think Katie's starting the season on Brooklyn, though. I know there is seemingly some momentum towards that. I don't believe that. Okay, Mahomes behind Aaron Rogers in the NFL executive list. Address it next.

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I had Derek Carr 10. They had DAC 10. I have DAC about 12. I have Lamar 11. Be that as it may. I said yesterday, I've seen the last 16 games from Aaron playoff games. Often at home is a favorite. He's 7 and 9 complete 63% of his throws and his passer rating dips.

He's not the same player when uncomfortable. He's not the same quarterback when trailing. I would take Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Burrow, Stafford all ahead of him with two minutes to go, trailing in a game. Your thoughts about Mahomes, despite the last three years, being below Aaron? But it's not, obviously Mahomes shouldn't be below Aaron, but everyone that you mentioned should also be ahead of him. And I would throw, listen, I can't prove it with Justin Herbert because he hasn't played in a playoff game yet, and the knock on Aaron is lack of playoff success. So I can't prove it with Herbert, but I'd rather have Herbert too as well. I would have those six guys.

Because what you, to me, did you, I'm going to build a bridge here. Did you, see, I don't know if it's the WAC, some small West Coast conference, I think it's the WAC, is considering changing their conference tournament seating, not based on record, but based on like Kinpom rankings, which is we are now in like a post-win losses world. This is, by the way, the Canary and the call mine for this was Nikola Yokic, winning these MVP's. It was like, oh, they're winning, winning, sports and winning. Who cares about that? Here's what my algorithm tells me is the best.

Yeah. And there is an element of that to arguing that Aaron Rogers is the best quarterback in football. Because I watched in 2020 him be far and away the best quarterback in the league. And then I watched Tom Brady, play him in the playoffs, and Aaron spit the bit right before halftime. And then screw up the final meaningful drive of the game. Like, okay, it's one game, one sample. I'm not going to kill. Then I watched in 2021, Aaron be far and away the best quarterback in football.

And then in his first playoff game, perfect drive. down the field for a touchdown, a tiny bit of adversity after a ball is dropped, and you score three points the rest of the way. Yep. How can't, and by the way, this is where you do get a victory lap because you were, you were an early adopter of this, and I didn't believe you. But now the body of evidence is great enough that if you are saying the goal is to win a championship, how can you argue Aaron's your first pick?

How can you do it? It's baffling to me. Well, his wow moments are so spectacular. There's a Westbrook quality that there are times you're like, John Moran's going to have this. Whoa. Yeah, but here's the thing, Colin. His wow moments are not more wow than Mahomes or Allen.

True. They are not. Good point. And they've got them both above, Rogers above everybody. Now, he's always had more wow moments than Brady. Fair enough. But Brady just has all the jewelry and all the winning. and then was able to do it in the conference.

I've got a Brady stat for you, by the way. All right. I know this is, I think Florio found it. I don't know. I read it. I didn't research this myself. If Brady gets to the Super Bowl this year, he will have the record for most wins in the playoffs

against NFC teams. So think about that for a moment. He's been in the NFC for two years. But because he came there with six victories because of the Super Bowls, and now he already has four, the record is 12 by Montana. For victories in the playoffs against

NFC teams, Brady could have it if he went. Is that not the most bananas thing you've ever heard? So I just don't know. The Rogers thing is a little frustrating. It is a little frustrating at this point. People are like, yeah, he's still the best. I think he's awesome. I think he's great.

I don't think you can argue he's the best quarterback in football after what we've seen. I don't see him as that. By the way, Baker Mayfield said this. We only have a minute left. He said, ask if he was kind of a person who held grudges, I thought this was a perfect answer. Mayfield grinned and said, I try not to hold grudges. And I thought to myself, Tom Brady named a production company after

a grudge, 199. I have one grudge. I will win. It is inevitable, and I'm not going to announce it, but I have one grudge in my life. Oh, wow. Oh, I'm going to win it. You haven't won yet? Oh, no, no, no, I'm going to win it. And I'm already putting in all the pieces. Are you a grudge holder? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Grudges are healthy and good. I think. think. Yeah, Michael Jordan, Brady. Yeah, no, no, no. I like, I like grudges, but I, but I, can I just ask question real quick? Yeah, if you're not going to share yours, I'm not going to share mine. Because I, one of the reasons, you know, you and I haven't talked recently, but it's because I wasn't

sure how you were doing. Yeah. And I was like, I kind of need to space because Baker's going to take Sam Darnold's last job as a starter. Joy, has he been okay? Like, is he dealing with it well? I think he is, I think he has submitted on the Sam Darnel takes. Well, yeah, but it's one thing to submit. It's another thing to have Baker-Mates. field be the one that ends his starting career. I know. It's very, it's very difficult time for me. Okay. All right. Well, that's fine. We can talk it over over. Over dinner, how many gin and tonics do I have to buy you for you to tell me who the grudges? I don't like tonic or gin. Okay. So, we'll go. I'm vodka waters. How many? Vodka waters. I'm not an alcoholic.

Vodka soda. Okay. Who drinks vodka water? Okay. Well, I don't know, Colin. All right. So my takeaway is, I was right on Baker and wrong on Darnold. Um, I think it's a hard job to win because I don't think Baker, like, if Mahomes walks in, you're like, all right, that does it? I think Baker and Sam will kind of share a lot of average. But wrong forever on Darnold and maybe only temporarily right on Baker. Baker Renaissance coming. Oh, you're going to love it. I mean, at this point, you're being obnoxious. Yep, absolutely. I'll see you later. It's Nick Wright. We're going to go to dinner. Buy some Cosmos. You go to, oh, terrific. Third.

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