The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Jordan Love wants a new deal

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

Colin reacts to Jordan Love informing the Packers he will not be practicing until he signs a new contract and why this makes sense for both sides Caitlin Clark showed us again over the weekend why she should've been on the US Women's teamSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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NFL season getting close, college football season getting close, Olympics getting very close, live in Los Angeles, it's the hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may be, and however you may may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jay Mack, there was a lot going on from the British Open. WNBA, facing the Olympic team. Our men's basketball team, not yours personally, but the LeBron team. There's a lot going on, but this morning there is a story from an NFL camp, which looks very juicy. And I've got to cut right to the chase. Let's get to it. Okay, so Jordan Love, Green Bay Packer quarterback, told the team Saturday, I'm not practicing, I want a new contract.

Now, this isn't Brandon Ayyuk in the Niners. Green Bay wants to get it done. Jordan Love wants to get it done. But sometimes employees, yes, have to play hardball with the employers. And I'm going to side with Jordan Love here. First of all, he signed a very team-friendly deal before last season. And he should have. proven and he blew through it.

He was fantastic. And you could say, well, I mean, he still has a year left. So Jordan Love didn't just eclipse the contract through weeks 10 through 18, eight NFL weeks with the youngest

offense in the league. In the better than it has been in years, NFC, he had the most passing yards and the most total touchdowns. He was better than Alan Lamarman. Marr, Mahomes, Stafford.

He was better than everybody in the league. And that's with a bunch of kids. He didn't have a dominant number one receiver. Even the offensive line is young. Young team. Went to Dallas, blew out the Cowboys. And there's something else here. Is that there is also a responsibility by an organization to make evaluations of a player

beyond just games. You and I watch games. We can tell who can play and who can't. But he was in the building three years before last year. You can make judgments on his maturity, his leadership, his judgment. Not only had he started 18 games, he'd played in 27 and had over 400 practices. He's 25 years old. 25 years old is different than 21 or 22 years old.

21, 22 years old, you're saying stuff to get you in trouble. you're drinking more than you should, not necessarily a grown-up. By 25 years old, you screw up, it's up to you now. And NFL front offices, their responsibility is not just watching games. We can all do that. The best NFL scouts, they're going to practices.

They're on the phone sometimes with investigators to dig deep on players. What's going on at home? What's going on on campus? The Packers have had years and years of watching Jordan Love's maturity, his judgment, his talent, at practice, preseason games, starting, backing up, it's time to pay him. Again, I would love to see more of Jordan Love, but I don't have the video of the practices.

I don't bump into him at the lunch line at the Packer facility. I don't know if he gets along with others. My guess is he does. But the advantage to having any employee in the building for three or five, four years before you have to pay the big money is now it's on you it's not on them if he's been as good at practice in the last year as he's been in games it's on you and remember he did all this i would love to see more but this isn't a kid who started 10 games in college like anthony richardson at florida started 10 13 games something like that goes to indianapolis gets hurt i still

don't know what anthony richardson is he's dynamic he's talented i don't know what he is i'm not sure the Colts know what he is. It's only been in the building for a year. Jordan Love has been here almost a half decade, practices, games, starting, exhibition. So to me, that advantage, Green Bay knows quarterbacks. I think they'll pay him. I think they should. And I think to this point, he looks like he can crack into the top eight to ten

quarterbacks in the league very quickly. All right, we got a lot of good stuff today. Stephen Jones of the Cowboys, after the break, has some interesting thoughts on the NFL going to 18 games. So from the very beginning, women's basketball, from Olympics to the WNBA, has been sort of sending a message to casuals like me and you. Caitlin Clark is not quite ready.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. And the more I watch Caitlin Clark, the more I'm convinced women's basketball isn't ready. Caitlin Clark's more than ready. She helped her WNBA All-Star team beat the USA Women's Olympic team this weekend. She was the best playmaker. She had 10 assists, best playmaker. One of her teammates scored 34, and Caitlin just kept feeding her the ball.

And the most assists in the win, double-digit assists in seven of her last eight games, despite the WNBA butchering her early schedule, snubbing her for the Olympics. They put her on the WNBA All-Star team. Indiana now is a real potential playoff team. And what do you know? She led everybody in assists as they beat the Olympic team. Clearly, she stretches the floor.

She's great with spacing. And she's also, in my opinion, a perfect Olympic or All-Star player, especially Olympics. All-Star games are a little bit of showing off. but the Olympics, if you're not the second third best player on the team and she wouldn't be yet, you need to be a facilitator, not a ball hog. I would argue with Caitlin Clark, she passes too much. Now, in the All-Star game this weekend, her shooting was off, but her playmaking wasn't.

And so the Olympic, women's Olympic team said, you know, if we put her on the team, there is no question she's going to be a distraction. Well, you know what's a distraction? Her not on the team. That's what everybody's talking about. So here's the other thing, is that I've learned with women's basketball as a whole, they're very much like men's soccer in America. They're a little petty. They've been ignored to a larger degree than other sports, and they've got a chip on their shoulder, and they're sort of a prove you belong.

For United States men's national team, the soccer fans, it's like you have to have a power. pass code to even talk about the sport online. And for women's basketball, it's this constant prove you belong. Caitlin Clark belongs on the Olympic team. She belongs on the All-Star team. She belongs in the skills competition. And here's the thing, women's basketball. You can't use the excuse that she caught you off guard.

Because a lot of times, overnight sensations do catch businesses off guard. But ticket master, you knew Taylor Swift was a massive hit eight years earlier. be prepared. And two years before she entered the WNBA, Caitlin Clark, for Little Iowa, was setting college basketball records. She came back for her final year. You knew two years in advance,

oh, we got a star, one year in advance, she'll be the number one pick. That was no excuse, butchering her early schedule. There's no excuse not having months and months of discussions on the Olympic team. She's clearly one of the better offensive. you know, long-range performers in the league.

I'd argue she's first or second best playmaker, leads the WNBA and assists, seven of her last eight games, double-digit assist, and this is for a team that doesn't have a lot of finishers, the Indiana fever. So she always says the right stuff at the podium. She's going to downplay this win by her all-star team

over the coveted Olympic team. She's not good enough to be on. So far, she's more than prepared and capable it's women's basketball that's not quite ready for Caitlin Clark and here she is. I mean, they're really good.

They have plenty of talent on that team. I mean, it was the same, I think, four years prior. I'm pretty sure the team WMBA beat Team USA. They were perfectly fine in the Olympics. I think for myself, from my standpoint, is like, you know, this is a great opportunity to help prepare them for Paris and, you know, I'm going to be supporting them and cheering them on.

Like, I love the Olympics. I've loved the Olympics ever since I was a young kid, and they're going to be just fine. They're going to win gold and Dominase, so I'm not worried. She continues to always say the right things at the right time. And I'm going to stay on this Olympic snub to the very end, despite the fact they'll win gold.

So, Colin right, Colin wrong, 50 minutes from now. Aaron Rogers already down playing, get defensive about missing OTAs, JMAC. I'm sure you saw that on your timeline. I'm sure that popped up. I was not really on social media this weekend outside of that small political story. I didn't really, I was, you know, my son had a chess tournament. I played a lot of hoops, got to hang out with the family.

Like, I didn't spend a lot of time online. I did not either. Yeah. It's healthy. I had a family gathering out east with lobster and lobster pants. And it was a bit of a blur. That's a long way to fly there and back for a couple of days, but it was fantastic. played a good round of golf yesterday in Rhode Island.

Excuse me. You played golf? Oh, I played, yes. I play golf in the summer. Wow. What's your handicap? Well, me. But I would say this, for the first time in my life, I am committing to clubs. Really committing. To golf clubs or clubbing? The former, not the latter.

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That'll probably be the cap on it over the course of 46 years. They went from 14 to 17. Everybody was fine. The league got better. The quality got better. So they're going to move to 18 games. And Stephen Jones says it's pretty much inevitable. I'm on the competition committee.

We've talked about this, knowing that it's probably inevitable. The players, you know, enjoy the compensation that's coming their way, and they get, for the most part, half of ever revenue dollar that comes through the door. We all know when we go to 18 games, the revenue is going to jump and certainly should only help in terms of the money available to pay players and, you know, get players to compensation. So, players adjust. I've watched the political landscape this weekend.

I watch everybody freak out and make clients. claims people adjust a few years ago in a more sensitive wokeier world there were these cries that thursday night football was so terrible for the players it was outrageous if you watch the netflix series called receivers san francisco's george kittle says players love thursday night games because they get the they get the weekend off to actually hang with their families during the NFL season. Players adjust. The league is safer.

The concussion protocols have been tightened. The NFL's eliminating kickoffs, the most dangerous play. There's less practice time. There's less hitting. The medical staffs are light years better than 25 years ago, and the rules, frankly, just make it safer. There's less hitting. If you go to Super Bowl, the Super Bowl this last year, San Francisco was missing one

starter due to injury, a safety. And then a linebacker got hurt during the game, but it was non-contact. He just hurt himself running on the field. And I'm not sure Kansas City was missing any starters. The league is safer.

Nobody wants to admit it. And players now make so much money that a single game check for a Christian McCaffrey and Mahalms, a Lamar, a Josh Allen, a star receiver, a star edge rusher, can be over a million dollars. for 48 snaps.

Yeah, players adjust. They'll take the money. Even in college football. It used to be you played like 11 games total. Now it feels like with the playoff, there'll be 13, 14 games. And NIL they're getting paid. Also, I don't see a lot of college football players amazing careers in jeopardy or end due to an injury. Guys who are great going into their final college season,

you generally get drafted very high. So in negotiations, you know this if you've ever been in one. Owners have things they care about. Players have things they care about. Actually, players in the NFL with a last CBA, they wanted less practice time. Fewer padded practices. They went from 28, players went down to 16. Now, I think it's hurt offensive line play, but it probably hasn't hurt as many players.

So that was a big deal for players. Some players grumble about the franchise tag, but they've accepted it because the players who sign those usually get paid a lot of money. So, you know, in 46 years, the league made a couple of changes from 14 to 17 and all we see is this insatiable want and need for more football. and it'd be one thing if the employees weren't happy with it, but my guess is the players now with the gambling money being injected, and that's only getting bigger into the NFL, the TV revenue, the new CBAs going forward. NFL players today get paid like NBA players did 10 years ago.

The NBA players, because of shoe deals and because it's a more star-driven sport, have always made really, really huge money. But NFL guys now, they do too. And there are some shoe deals with NFL guys. They're all over commercials. Look at Travis Kelsey. It's on like six national commercials.

He's a tight end in the middle of a country, not a coastal elite city. So my take is take a deep breath. Players and employees always adjust. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Start with the Baltimore Ravens, Colin.

They had their first team practice of training camp Sunday. Lamar Jackson was not there. He was sent home with an illness. And, you know, last time we talked to the Ravens, they were getting their doors blown off at home by the chiefs. Maybe that's strong, but they were favored and they did not show up. At any rate, the media is asking John Harbaugh about criticism directed at Lamar, who's got two MVP's, but it struggled in the playoffs,

about Lamar not reaching the Super Bowl. Harbaugh's response. There's a lot of great things said about Lamar, but there's a lot of stuff that said to you've got to just scratch your head about and kind of wonder what's that person even thinking, you know, so, but we take it personally. He's got a growth mindset. He's going to get better and better, no doubt. But what does he have to do to prove himself to some people, right?

And the vision that we have together is a Lamar Jackson is going to become and be known and be recognized as the greatest quarterback ever to play in the history of the National Football League. You know, it's interesting. I'm going to give you four players. Outside of these four quarterbacks, Brady, Mahomes, Joe Montana, and Eli Manning. Now just listen. Super Bowls and playoffs are really hard. When Eli made him, he was great. Brady, Montana, Mahomes, and Eli. Take those four out. Peyton Manning got his doors blown off in a Super Bowl. Peyton Manning struggled for years early playoff game. John Elway got his doors blown out in the playoffs and Super Bowls. If you take out four quarterbacks, Brady, Montana, Mahomes, and strangely, Eli Manning, who when they made the playoffs went on these crazy runs, they're hard for Aaron Rogers.

They were hard for Brett Fav. They were hard for Elway. They're hard for everybody. They're hard for Josh Allen. Playoffs are hard. The coaching's better. Yeah. I mean, the weather's crappy, so there's weird stuff that happen.

I mean, Brady one time got his hand ripped before a game and somehow miraculously overcame it. My takeaway on Lamar is if you are special, when 76% of your games, every quarterback except those four, maybe Bart Starr didn't see him play, obviously. Everybody struggles in the playoffs. Even Mahomes got his doors blown off on a Super Bowl when he didn't have his tackles. Everybody does struggle in the player. It's hard, obviously.

And the sample size is tiny. Tiny. 60 minutes. You have a bad game. It's over. That being said, Colin, one of these years he's got to break through, right? It's this year. Definitely not this year.

You want to go ahead and take the Ravens for the Super Bowl. But listen, we can defend him all we want, sure. Like Peyton Manning struggled. I think it was his first five years. Yeah. He had no playoff wins. Yeah. You know?

But we're in an social media era where it's like, hey, deliver or you're going to get ripped. Yeah. I mean, we consider Jalen Hurts to be a really good quarterback. And if you take out one great year with Shane Steichen, we're not quite sure what he is. Dak Prescott has had almost no success, how many years he's been playing, in the postseason at all. So the quarterbacks we like struggle in the playoffs. Josh Allen's as talented as anybody I've ever seen.

It's very rare when you're Bradshaw and you get the Hall of Fame coach, the Hall of Fame offensive line, stalwart, great defense. You can't build that anymore. So what you hope, you can't build a team as good as Bradshaw Steelers. So what you hope is that you get the G. and the coach like Mahomes or Brady. When Brady early had Scott Bioli, Belichick, good ownership.

Because even those New England teams had holes all over the offense in Kansas City. They don't have a receiving court the last two years. So my take is salary cap has eliminated the 75 Steelers. That stuff doesn't exist. What it creates, and some of those Bill Walsh-Niner teams, what it creates is

teams with flaws and limitations, you cross your fingers on injury attrition. But for the last 20 years, two quarterbacks in the world, Breddy and Mahomes, have not struggled in the playoffs. Two, that's it. I don't know. Kyle Shanahan got to a Super Bowl with Jimmy Garapolo and Brock Purdy in a five-year span. Lost both.

Oh, so now it is, they lost the super. So getting there is irrelevant. Who cares? You got to the Super Bowl. Lamar, okay. What is Lamar, then? Can't even get to a Super Bowl. It's hard.

So if you're going to call Purdy and Garapolo, losers, what's the game? Lamar, hey, enjoy the MVP's. You haven't been to a Super Bowl. Those are worse something. If you take out the MVP's, what's Aaron Rogers' career? One Super Bowl. I mean, MVP's matter somewhere. I mean, we can't give Aaron Rogers credit for his MVP.

That's all I ever hear. Look at all these MVP. Well, Lamar's got MVP. Youngest guy to ever have two MVP. So, MVP's do matter in the construct of arguments. Aaron's been playing longer. They've had some fluky nonsense happen to them in the playoffs. That Seattle game?

Oh, stop it. Come on the Seattle. Seattle game with the onside kick in the playoffs. Rogers has been a little unlucky. I don't know. I'm still waiting. It's been six months. What the hell happened to Lamar and the Ravens against the Chiefs?

And don't say Patrick Mahomes, because they couldn't move the football, Colin. Tell me, what happened? O.C. game planned? Oh, it's the O.C. Oh, okay, here we go. Always blame someone else. Lamar free pass. That's a, he's clean living if you're Lamar Jackson.

Never your fault. Let's move on to the Dallas Cowboys. They open camp this week. And the Athletic recently released the results of a fan survey, polling Dallas fans on a number of topics. One of them was who's the most overrated player on the team? Dak Prescott, runaway winner, 250 one of the votes, 100 more than the next highest player, Micah Parsons. Speaking of no show in the playoffs, Micah Parsons, go look up his stats. So, Dak, most overrated player?

Your thoughts? No, he is. He's also good. but overrated and good, two things can be true. He's a good player. But 60 million a year, which he's going to get, all these people on the internet, top five quarterback, no he's not.

He doesn't throw it to... Ten, top ten. At the very end, maybe. That's not a hot take. He doesn't throw an elite ball. He's not an elite in terms of mobility, like a Lamar or a Jordan Love or a Josh Allen. So he's not an elite mover.

He moves okay. he doesn't move any better than Tony Romo and Tony Romo didn't get credit for being an elite runaround guy. They both run the same. They're both fine. He's not an elite thrower of the football. He's not in the same class as Mahomes, Allen, Herbert Burrow. So what's the elite at? Leadership, toughness, he's great at that stuff.

I love him. He's very Kirk Cousins. I love him in all the stuff, but moving and throwing, it's okay. It's B. It's okay. I forgot. Who was the runner? up to the MVP award last year in the entire NFL. Who was it? Let me guess a cowboy quarterback. It happens all the, yeah.

Tony Romo, how many MVP runner-ups? Coward, this is a plucky start to the show, if you were, for you. Just the denigration of Dak Prescott. He's out top five. Bottom of the top 10, runner up. I think if you hold general managers, they'd have them somewhere in the 8, 9, 10, 11 range. I think that's what GMs would say. And listen, I'm not going to defend Dak.

the playoffs. For the record. That's why I have him. I'll have him closer to 10-11, some have him closer to 8. But at the end of this season, when Herbert finally gets a coach, Herbert's going to elevate beyond what a lot of people. And if Jalen Hertz has kind of another solid year, he does more things well than Dak. So this will be a very interesting year for Dak because, as we know, he's got one receiver of note. One. Well, wait a minute. I don't even think this is a fair year to grade or judge Dack. Coach is basically lame duck, right? Doesn't have an extension.

C.D. Lamb is the only receiver, and he's, he's angry. Micah Parsons is complaining. New defensive coordinator. No running back room. Like, they have stacked the deck against DAC this year. Well, it's what they've done, you could say it's sinister, but what they've done in a contract year is make the team very DAC reliant. There was a story today that they want to get the game.

the CD deal done first, which I certainly think that's not. That's a reasonable take is get your star receiver. Everybody needs one. You drafted him. You hit on him. But what the Cowboys are doing is they're saying, Dak, if we're going to pay you 60, we just watched Mahomes win a Super Bowl with no number one or two wide receiver.

We just watched them the year before when a Super Bowl with Ju-Jews-Jews-Mishuster as his number one receiver. So what do you say? Hey, Dak, go be Pat Mahomes? No. If you want to be paid like Pat, then we're not. stacking the deck for you because Dallas feels deep down and they may be right. We kind of stack the early deck, best-o-line, Zeke, Amari Cooper, offensive coaches, and you didn't deliver in January.

So this year, and by the way, every year is fair to Judge Dak, he's in his ninth season now. We all know what he is. So I do think Dallas is saying inside the building privately, we stacked the deck early and we didn't get any January-February moments. Now, bro, this is on you, and if you want to get Mahomes' money, you got to win multiple playoff games in the weaker conference. Hey, Jerry, Dak Prescott here.

I don't want Patrick Mahomes' money. I want what the market says I'm worth. I don't want Patrick Mahomes' money. Give me what the market says, quarterbacks, what the going rating. That's what I want. When you throw 14 interceptions this year, and we finish with nine wins,

the market says, closer to Tua. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm talking about now. I want my money now. Just like Jordan Love. Jordan Love wants it now. No. It's not the same.

Jordan Love has shown an innate, unique athletic skills that DAC doesn't possess. Moves much better, got a better arm, and went into Dallas with the youngest team in the league and destroyed Dak. That was not just an eye test. That was a, oh, Jordan Love's much more talented. There's a reason he went in the first round, DAC and the fourth. And Green Bay doesn't stack the deck. they pay the good players, but Green Bay spends the least amount of money in the league on offense right now. They're not stacking the deck.

Jordan Love led the league and everything for eight weeks playing with the youngest team in the league. That's a whole different ball game than, well, Dak gets MVP votes. Eight game sample size versus a full season. How long do you have to watch American Idol? How long do you have to watch a singer to go? I refuse to watch the audience. I can tell Taylor Swift this time. Jump jumps off the TV.

We knew Joe Burrow, Herbert Mahomes, Lamar, you know year one if they can play. And then you know by middle of year, too, if they're going to be a star. It doesn't take that long to see talent. It really doesn't. Once a guy gets to the... It's hard to judge college to pro or high school to college.

It's not hard to judge once the guy's in the NFL, he can play or he can't play. Kevin Garnett came out of high school. Second year in the league, you're like, oh, Wemby, four games in, the summer league. Oh, it doesn't... take that much time to go, dude can ball. So, Jordan Love does deserve that big, big money.

Yeah. He's been in, no, Mahalms can get whatever he wants. I'm sorry, Jack does not deserve it, but Jordan Love does. That's how I view it. Boy, you're cooking up some takes on that flight, huh? Final story is Team USA. Now, I don't know if you saw this during your lobster Bisk hangout, but LeBron saved the USA. Yes.

Pretty damn good game against South Sudan. which has some, they got some guys. They got some dudes. No, I watched this game. They got dudes. US was down 16 and then LeBron leads an incredible comeback. Interestingly, 23 to 5 run in the second half. Steph Curry got hot.

And then LeBron scored the game winner with eight seconds left. LeBron 25, 6, and 7. Anthony Davis, 15 and 11. So it was the LeBron and AD show. No question. Hey, by the way, what do you think LeBron? You know, people say LeBron's got quite an ego. year 22, 39 years old, and he knows he's the best player consistently on this team.

Not Jason Tatum, not Booker, not Ann Edwards. LeBron James knows in that game, you and I watched it. LeBron's why they won. LeBron James, year 22. So all the people that think you have an ego, go watch the Internet for five minutes. Losers think there's something. I mean, it's just ripe with losers. LeBron's been top of the world, the planet in basketball,

still our most dependable player on the Olympic team. Today, year 22. 39 years old. You don't think he's got a little self-confidence? I'm watching that game. He is the, not only is he the glue guy, he makes everything work, he had to do all the scoring. He's not going to let him loose.

And also, we've got to be fair here. I was very critical. I think you were two of Anthony Davis two years ago. Couldn't stay healthy. The dude's been a monster for two years. He's top three on this team. He has been at, and when you watch. him, he has been phenomenal. Now, I do need to ask, I wasn't here for the take, but you had said

this team is way better than the dream team. No, I said it's deeper because it's positionless. Everybody can, outside of like Anthony Davis, everybody can handle the ball, everybody can shoot a three. I mean, when you're bringing like a Tatum and an AD off the bench, that ain't Christian Leitner. That's, you know, that's a different level. It's the deepest team. It's the most diverse, most dexterity I've ever seen an Olympic team, but is there starting five as great? Maybe not. Well, again, I'm not trying to pin you down here.

I do wonder, though, Exhibition game, South Sudan. Yes. U.S. favored by 40. By the way, don't bet on exhibition Olympic basketball people. Don't. And then the U.S. barely wins.

So does this say they're not great? Not like a historically great team? Well, it doesn't say that they're not great. What does it say? But here's my take on a lot of this stuff, is that there was a different feel from American players when you went through high school and were hard coached. And you went through college and stayed for three years and you were hard coached. And then you went into the NBA and were hard coached. Players now don't play high school basketball.

It's AAU basketball, which is just a million games and nobody's coaching you hard. one year max of college where the coach has to basically suck up to you so you'll go to his Kentucky or go to his Syracuse into the NBA where you finally get some hard coaching if you fall to the right place like Golden State, Miami, San Antonio, maybe Minnesota or New York. And so what I see with our players is more dexterity, more talent, more skills, little less hunger. There's a reason that Knicks team, Nova guys, they got an old school field, they play their arse off, is that when I watch a lot of our domestic players, they're really talented. I don't think they quite, I think our old school guys, and I classify AD a little old school, LeBron, Steph Curry. I don't know.

When I watch our young basketball players, I don't see kind of that MJ Kobe, LeBron, Steph, urgency. fight. I don't see. More skilled, absolutely. More skills than ever. But when I watch our Olympic team, I think this team has a lot of old school guys and then a lot of new school collaborative kumbaya guys. And it's a weird chemistry. So are they missing grit? I just don't think most young people today, because, you know, their parents had a better life. I don't think there's a ton of grit with a lot of young people. I think there's more talent than ever everywhere in sports and non-sports. I think there's more intelligence, more tech, more brain power, more skills. But when I watch this team, I see these old school guys. I watched that South Sudan game.

LeBron was like, yo, guys, rally the troop, all take over. If I was a young guy, I'd be like, no, no, no, this is our team. And it's not. LeBron just takes the ball, controls the offense, controls the, even Steve Kerr said he's just different. He's got LeBron for as progressive as everybody thinks he is. He's got a lot of old school basketball respect, the way he respects the game. That's a good point. A small thing, Drew Holiday, so good for the Celtics. Just won another title. He's supposed to be the lockdown defender. The guy who won the G League MVP dominated him in that game on Saturday. Drew Holiday could not stop Carlic Jones, who was the G League MVP and had a triple double. And it's like, what's going on here? And I think that's to your point. Like, G League

MVP's out here trying to prove something. I haven't. won anything. I have no rings. I'm not all NBA. I've got to go against these guys and that's a problem for USA. Look at Phoenix before Chris Paul. They had Devin Booker. They were awful. Chris Paul comes in. Old school

tough guy. Immediately. NBA final contender. They had to bring in old school guys around Booker. By the way, Jason Tatum, for years and years. They had to bring in old school Drew Holiday. Poor So it's like young guys are more talented, but I kind of feel like sometimes they just don't

have sort of that old school mentality. And Tatum's a great example of it. Booker's another great example of it. Do you think social media has hurt? Because every time you open your phone, if you're Jason Tatum, everybody only has two million followers, five million, everybody loves you. You're great. You're the goat.

All this stuff. That's every day. Anthony Edwards, you're the next Jordan. Like, at what point are you just going to be grinding a way to get there when you're being told. Again, I love the NBA now and then. I think it's better today by far in terms of overall skill. But back then, Jordan was fighting for a tiny piece of the pie. Now everybody gets a whole pie. It's different. You make, you know, pre-magic and bird, nobody's making shoe money. Now you've got, maybe Dr. Jay, everybody's got revenue from social, revenue from

shoes, massive revenue from the league. So I just think Warren Buffett always talks about every generation will have it better than the previous generation because of all the apps we have now. I don't have to go out and eat. I can do DoorDash. My life, you know, I work hard, you work hard, but by and large, most people, apps, tech makes our life much easier. I don't have to go to a, I don't even have to go to a travel agent. I can book 10 flights in 20 minutes. Like, things are easier. So I don't think as a society we have as much, and I'm looking at myself. You know, I had more grit in my 20s than now. Life's gotten easier. J-MAC with the news

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I was told I wouldn't put it out there, but I was told he was in Egypt. He later came out and acknowledged he was in Egypt. I couldn't get a second source. I had a one source on it, but that's where I was told he was at. Eventually he was there. And so, and his coach called it in unexcused. used absence. Well, he went on a podcast, pardon my take, recently, and he said about missing that. He said, quote, they can arbitrarily put a tag on whatever week of OTAs they want, and they can call it

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All your teammates were there. And you, the star quarterback, were not. Again, the coach called it an inexcused absence. Immunized, vaccinated, whatever, bruh. Here's the thing. The Jets have had great players for a long time. forever. I mean, right now, PFF says their offensive lines top five. I disagree, but that's what PFF says. I do think they have top four or five defensive personnel. Now, the Jets have never been a talent issue. It's always been a leadership issue. They can't get the right GM. The owners are impulsive. The quarterbacks have been hit and miss, mostly miss. So it's a leadership thing, and your teammates were there and you weren't. And again, you're not a slot receiver, a third corner. A special teams gunner.

You're the face of the franchise. I sort of look at Aaron as this point, at this point in his career for me, as really good content. He's interesting. I think sometimes he wants to really win these menial, trivial media battles. That's a big thing to him. Whereas when the Harrison Butker story broke for the Chiefs, Mahomes had sort of a vanilla middle-of-the-road comment and let everybody else get the glare. You know, the Josh Allen's, the Lamarer. They don't want any of this stuff.

Aaron kind of seems to lean into it. You know, he's into sort of winning these media scrums and menial battles. But, and I think sometimes Aaron likes to be discussed. And he's interesting and he's good content. And I think he's bright and has a lot of opinions. But I always feel like you ever play Madden and you can do the rookie level or the, you know, go all in on the Madden level, which is much harder. Aaron sort of chooses the latter. He goes madden instead of the all-rooky level.

And it's just a little more disruptive. It's a little more difficult. It's a little harder. And all these things with the New York media get inflamed and get talked about and teammates have to answer to him. I think the Jets' talent is really not the issue. I think their talent's fine, although I think they're pretty dependent on Brees Hall, not getting injured.

Therefore, you've got a new offensive line and a running game without Brees Hall. that's not dynamic, more pressure on 40-year-old Aaron. That's not good. But they've got more talent than last couple of years at wide receiver. They've drafted very well on the defensive side. If Aaron's upright for 17 weeks, I think they can win nine games. You guys think 10, 11, 12, I think, you know, closer to 9 and 8. But be that as it may, this just feels like, you know, kind of the Aaron trying to win one of these little battles.

And your teammates were there and you weren't. And that's it. I'm fine with it. I don't think it's the end of the world, but I would rather have my guy own it. I will say this. Old quarterbacks, you know, Brady was literally doing illegal practices at Jesuit high school. You know, older quarterbacks, I don't want to get hit. They don't necessarily want to practice as much. And I get all of that.

I do think the Jets is a very unique situation because of the constant impulsive nature of the ownership, because they're the Jets, because it's New York. I think you should be there, but I don't think it'll have an adverse effect once the real season starts. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, top of next hour. Already video out, Jay Mack, of Xavier Worthy, the rookie receiver for the Kansas City Chiefs.

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