The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Justin Herbert and Lamar Jackson

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Colin tells you why Justin Herbert and Lamar Jackson are the 2 most UNDERRATED quarterbacks in the NFL right now. He discusses Tua Tagovailoa and the Dolphins as they prepare to take on the Bills and ...why this game is more than just another regular match upSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:17 Thanks for making us part of your day. Our first full big week NFL, this is week two of the league. It feels like a little bit our first big full week back Labor Day a couple weeks go. J-Mac, I just saw the day, 20, the NFL averaged 21 million viewers per game for the opening week. It's the highest on record. Wonderful. That's awesome. Yeah, years ago, people were protesting it because of Colin Kaepernick. Apparently, they've come back. Look at you. Doing politics two days in a row. Well done. That's not politics. That's Colin
Starting point is 00:03:54 Kaepernick. So they're blowing through records. Everybody's back. Everybody loves it. It's been such a popular league that, you know, I can remember NBA guys have been making money and shoes and endorsements forever. And now NFL guys are all over commercials. Travis Kelsey's on everything. But quarterback remains the glamour position in easily the most popular sport in America. You can be an average quarterback to below average. If you're athletic, like Justin Fields, you still have fans. fans. Most quarterbacks actually get more publicity outside of a Mahomes than they're probably deserving of. I was thinking about this this morning. There's only two quarterbacks in this
Starting point is 00:04:35 league. 21 million viewers per game, easily the most popular sport in America. It is separated from everything else. It is the English Premier League in the UK. It's separated from all the other sports. Their tennis, they're cricket. It's not close. There's only two quarterbacks, I would say, that are underrated. The first, and he won't be. be by the end of the year is Justin Herbert. As a rookie with a bad line, a bad defense, and an overwhelmed coach,
Starting point is 00:05:03 31 touchdowns, 10 picks, and a passer rating of 98. It was very Andrew Luck. It didn't have much around him. The coach wasn't right. The O line was bad. He could only win by a shootout.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Five rushing touchdowns, 67% completion percentage. 31 touchdowns, 10 picks, 98 passer rating. It was very, Andrew Luck. A shaky protection, Bryce Young can't play. Shaky protection, bad up front.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Zach Wilson's a disaster. Caleb Williams is overwhelmed. Justin Herbert's first game goes to overtime with Patrick Mahomes. His first game. He was fifth in passing yards that year. I looked it up this morning. Fifth in passing yards. He was ahead of Aaron Rogers and Matt Stafford.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Justin Herbert is a rookie. So he's underrated. And a lot of it is he didn't have he hadn't have the support until Jim Harbaugh. And now he's got two great tackles. The other quarterback that I truly believe is underrated and I cannot for the life of me figure it out is Lamar Jackson. So he's 20 and one against the NFC. Meaning if you don't face him regularly, he's even better than Mahomes. If you don't face him regularly, there's nothing in the league like him.
Starting point is 00:06:20 You can't prepare for him. good teams last year. Detroit got blown out by him. San Francisco. Nobody knows what to do with him. San Francisco controlled Aaron Rogers. San Francisco against Lamar, they don't know what to do with him. Detroit couldn't figure him out.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Lamar Jackson is 1 in 5 against Patrick Mahomes, who nobody beats. And that's my guess is, because he can't beat the king, people don't think he's good. MVP fulls first year as a starter. He's good in division, good against his rivals, tough. division in football, 16 and 7. But outside of Baltimore, and NFL locker rooms, players love him. He doesn't get any
Starting point is 00:07:01 respect. I mean, good God, folks. C.J. Stroud's really good. He is already universally accepted and loved. He's 10 and 6, or 11 and 6. What is he? I mean, but Colin, he's a runner. You guys love Cam Newton.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Cam Newton never had back-to-back winning seasons. People defended Cam Newton until the day he retired. Michael Vic was loved. People loved watching Michael Vic. People defended Michael Vic. They don't, they don't with Lamar Jackson. Well, he's not very good in the pocket.
Starting point is 00:07:35 I looked that up this morning. As a pocket passer last year, 102 passer rating, completed 68.5% of his throes. That's right up there with Matt Stafford. He'd pretty good in the pocket. So I can't explain it. You defended Cam Newton. C.J. Stroud's already baked in. I mean, we love Burrell by about his fourth start.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Tyler Marie was accepted by many until the video game stories came out. But Justin Herbert and Lamar Jackson are doing things that are virtually impossible in the NFL. They're underrated at the glamour position. So speaking of the quarterbacks, tonight is really interesting because it's Tua, who's a good player, against Josh Allen, who's a great player. And it really does show not all. All games are the same. Now, we know the Super Bowl is bigger than regular season games, but even in the regular season, it shows you the power of division rivalry games.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Buffalo and Miami, that's a rivalry. The cold weather, the warmest weather. The coldest weather, the warmest weather. Northern, down by the Keys. So Tua against the bills has been bad. One in six, pass a rating that's like T-bo-ish, 77. and it shows you the power of rivals. Jim Harbaugh was winning 10 games a year at Michigan,
Starting point is 00:08:55 but he couldn't beat Ohio State. And literally media people, irresponsibly, in my opinion, media people were like, get him out of Michigan, can't coach. He'd won everywhere. San Diego, 49ers, Stanford, he was winning at Michigan. He could not beat Ohio State and people. Journalists lost their mind. Ryan Day now has the highest winning percentage in college football.
Starting point is 00:09:22 He can't beat Michigan, and people are all over him. Jared Goff, with Sean McVeigh, was 42 and 20 as a starter and got to a Super Bowl. But do you know why Sean McVey bailed on him? You remember that game, don't you? Up north, he couldn't beat the Niners. and McVey and Shanahan have a very intense rivalry. He just couldn't beat the Niners. He was 42 and 20.
Starting point is 00:09:52 He'd outduled Mahomes on a Monday night football game. He could go toe to toe with anybody. 42 and 20 Super Bowl couldn't beat his riddle. So the two is issue and why this is a big game tonight for two. I know it's week two, but it's a big game. Not only can he not meet Buffalo, he's bad against Buffalo, and Josh Allen is unbelievable against Miami. So when you juxtapose the two on the same,
Starting point is 00:10:13 game, one sideline one the other, Josh Allen looks bigger than ever and Tua looks smaller. And as a head coach, you have to beat your rival. Go back to the Harbaugh early days. It was insane watching the media bail on Harbaugh.
Starting point is 00:10:30 And then what happened last year made this all worse and tonight so important for Tua. Do you remember last year it was the final game which is Week 18? Tuah was at home. Division title on the line. in the second half, Tua got five possessions.
Starting point is 00:10:47 With that receiving core and that coach, and those running backs, zero points. Tua, who's already small for a quarterback, looked even smaller. A standalone game tonight against Buffalo is not another game. I don't care that he dropped 70 against Denver. I don't care that he led the NFL in passing yards against MVP votes. He's got to win tonight. A small guy that looks smaller every time he faces his division rival, and here's Tula.
Starting point is 00:11:15 When you know that another team has beaten you so often, it's had so much success, does that either way at you? Is it something you think about as you prep for that team knowing the success they've had? Well, that's going to be what's written out there until we do something about that. That's going to be the narrative that we can't beat the bills. And until we do beat them and we beat them consistently, like none of that's going to change. Can't wait for tonight. I do like Miami to win.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I'm going against recent trending in history. I'm going to take Miami to win 27 to 20. Could also turn the hat around. That would probably help a little. That's worth half a point, in my opinion. But I'm not going to get into it. This is only Thursday. It's only week two.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I'm not going to get into it. I do think that's worth at least half a point, but no big deal. So it's interesting. It's too early in the season. Would you agree, J. Mack? to have a definitive opinion on almost anything. But, but you can see red flags after the first week. You can see red flags.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, it's tough to say come out. Daniel Jones is the worst quarterback. You can't say something like that. But we have four years of data. Right. Or five years, maybe on Joe. Is there, I've got a red flag based on what I've seen
Starting point is 00:12:42 and what I heard last night. About Joe Burrow? No, about Caleb Williams. Oh. So you're loading up on the Texans this week? I just, again, it's not a definitive opinion. A little red flag. Just something to worry about.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Anybody listening to my show that owns a business, small business, you don't have a definitive opinion on an employee, but if you see a couple of things happen two or three times in a row over the course of two or three months, It's a little bit of a red flag. The employee maybe can't handle that. Not good around this person. Not good on those assignments.
Starting point is 00:13:20 A little red flag. Wait, small. Well, remember, his opener was buried at 1 o'clock with like a billion games. He's going to be on an island game now. If he has a 16 for 29 and 93 yards, then it's like, this guy's terrible. Yeah. Top of next hour, Greg Koso. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays, and New Newn.
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Starting point is 00:18:11 They were outplayed. Totally outplayed. I watched every snap. Totally outplayed. That's bigger than you think. And I'll tell you why. So Roma Dunzee and Keenan Allen didn't practice yesterday. Not great.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Odunze has a sprained MCL. Not torn, sprained. So I'll say this again, and I said this, everybody is our witness. I think Bo Nix is going to have the best. rookie season of all the quarterbacks. Why? Because Caleb has a defensive coach. Jaden Daniels has a defensive coach. Drake
Starting point is 00:18:44 May has a defensive coach. J.J. McCarthy is not going to play. He's injured. Rehabing. And Michael Pennix, if he does play, I think he will eventually, has a defensive coach. Bo Nix has an offensive coach and a brilliant one. And it matters for young quarterbacks in this league. Not worth doing a segment. You know it. I know it. We all
Starting point is 00:19:03 know it. It mattered. Jared Gough, Jeff Fisher, Jared Gov Sean McVeigh. It helped. Bo Nix is also arguably the most accurate of all these quarterbacks with a brilliant offensive coach. And Sean Payton has relayed to me, Kid can read a defense. Cognitively, he can read a defense. So he's going to be the best, most productive rookie quarterback.
Starting point is 00:19:25 Have no idea year two, three, four, five, six, but this year. And I know it's only week two. This is a little bit of a red flag out of Chicago. Caleb Williams has taken 77 total snaps. I am counting preseason when you face virtually no starters. No starters. And certainly no exotic blitz packages. 77 total snaps.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Preseason, first game. 49 passes. He's completed 24. 49% completion percentage. And, yeah, that's not good. Passer rating at 65. Not good. I was also told last night,
Starting point is 00:20:11 had in a conversation with somebody, that a practice before the Tennessee game, pretty rough. Like the Friday practices, that's the easy stuff, repetition, pretty rough, ball in the ground, a lot. So my concern, this is not a definitive statement.
Starting point is 00:20:33 It's a little bit of a red flag, and this is what I worried about going into Chicago. who's there to fix it? I can remember Mahomes. Didn't even have to play until week 17 first year, but even year two as he was flourishing, he'd get off into the weeds mechanically, and he pulled it back.
Starting point is 00:20:50 If Bo Nick struggles, Sean Payton pulls it back. McVeigh pulls Gough back. Shanahan pulls Brock Pretty in. Who in Chicago? Shane Waldron? I don't know. So you start looking at that schedule, beating Tennessee, despite the fact
Starting point is 00:21:06 at home they were outplayed, and overwhelmed offensively, overwhelmed. They're not beating Houston, Indy, or the Rams. My prediction right now, three-game losing streak. And by Halloween, Matt Iber Fluse head coach is dead coach walking. He's in big trouble. So I do not think it's too early to see red flags. Anybody watching or listening to this show, that's what coaches do.
Starting point is 00:21:34 You don't think Kalen DeBoard, Alabama? You don't think Sark is not looking at his team and going, You know what? We're not very good at our second corner. And we've got a team coming up, Oklahoma in a few weeks. That's what coaches do. It's what CEOs do. You're looking for issues before they become controversies and major flaws.
Starting point is 00:21:53 It's a little bit of a red flag. I mean, we don't think Tennessee's elite. You're at home. You have excellent weapons. Chicago's got good weapons. This is top eight, nine weapon packages in the league, tied in, running back. I think their tackles are good. just saying 49%
Starting point is 00:22:10 I'm counting all the snaps when you add that to some of his struggles completing balls in USC last year and then you watch Miller Moss come in who's this other quarterback under Lincoln Riley and literally the ball never hits the ground unless it's dropped
Starting point is 00:22:29 it's just stuff here's Caleb about adjusting to the NFL I was looking at the NFL this past weekend. And I'm looking at all the teams and things like that and realizing that, like I've said in many other interviews, that the job is hard, NFL is hard, and the defense is going to make it tough on you.
Starting point is 00:22:53 So that's what they're going to do, or weekend and week out. Beating Tennessee, shouldn't have, but beating Tennessee was huge. Go look at that schedule. Houston, Andy almost beat Houston road games, and then the Rams, McVeigh, Stafford, who went toe to toe. And they'll be healthy by then, by the way.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Then you start watching the Rams in week four. That old line will be healthy again. Just thoughts. Not definitive statements. A little bit of a red flag. The phone call I got, the preseason stuff, 49% looked overwhelmed, not getting the ballroom of Dundze. Got one look. Just stuff.
Starting point is 00:23:34 J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News. Matt Eberfluse, huh? Interesting. I hadn't, that's a big, a bit of a leap for me. I think they could beat the Colts next week, but you could be on to something.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Oh, you do. It's Keenan Allen injury. I just had to adjust my fantasy lineup. Thanks for the heads up on that one. You bet. I'm here to do that for you. I'm glad that could help. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:23:57 I didn't know who was there. Let's get started with Matt LaFleur. Colin, again, I'm going to go back to this. Is it gamesmanship or could Jordan Love actually play? LaFleur has not ruled out Jordan Love for week two. after that MCL sprain. You know, the Twitter doctors were saying it's a three to six week injury. No.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Lafleur has doubled down on not ruling out love just yet. You left the door open for Jordan on one day's at all day's at all the door anymore, or less speaker to that? I'd say it's pretty open. He's doing a nice job. He's spending a lot of time in the training room. Our guys have done a great job with him, Flea and Nate and all our athletic trainers, our strength staff.
Starting point is 00:24:36 But at the same time, like I told you guys, he's got to be cleared. We've got to feel like he can protect himself, and he's got to be confident enough to go out there and do that until that happens. And that's we're not even going to think about that. Boy, this feels like a stayaway game. Because even if he does play, J-MAC, he hasn't practiced. And with young receivers, timing's still a thing. These aren't guys who have played together nine years. He just started last year for the first time.
Starting point is 00:25:07 These receivers are not even halfway to their second contract. This is that kids. So it's like even if he plays, and I'm telling you, two teams lost last weekend that I think are really good. Three teams, the Packers, the Colts, and the Rams. Those are good football teams. The Colts. I don't know if the Colts are that good. I fired on the Packers plus three last night.
Starting point is 00:25:30 I'm sorry. With Malik Willis. Yeah. They're going to show up. Lafleur will be ready. Here's my thing. Why would you force Jordan Love to play in a week two game? When you just paid him and you risk like the structural integrity of his dream. Detroit one, Minnesota one. So what? It's one game. It's a 17 game season, man. If you go 0 and 2. So what? The staff said this this morning. There's like you go 0 and 2 it goes down to like 8% to make the playoffs. Since 2019, 41 team started 0 and 2. It's only 5 year.
Starting point is 00:26:04 So 41 teams have started 0 and 2 in the last 5 years. How many made the playoffs? Two. So what? What do you mean? Didn't the bucks? I mean, we saw a team with like a five game losing streak last year make the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:26:18 If I said to you, when do kids start reading? Like when do kids get better? Four or five? Okay. If I said to you. I forgot. Kids that can't read by six years old, 41 kids at a school.
Starting point is 00:26:34 that couldn't read by six years old. Only two ended up going to college. Wouldn't you be alarmed? That's a small... It's such a small sample. I'm just saying... I'm just saying you're 41 times I've seen something twice it's worked. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:53 I mean, it's fair. So you're willing to rush your... What is he? $55 million quarterback. You want to just rush him out there to get back in there that we can win a game against a Colton week two. Play the long game, Colin.
Starting point is 00:27:08 You're being a little short-sighted here, my friend. A lot of you people into the long game. All life is not a 401k. Sometimes you've got to pull some of those funds out. Okay, date trader. I hear you. Next up, let's go to Daniel Jones and the New York Giants. Daniel Jones, man, this guy's under fire.
Starting point is 00:27:27 He was getting boot off the field in like the third quarter. It was bad. Yesterday, Jones took to the podium. said he understands fans are upset and frustrated with how the team has played, but he only cares about the organization's opinion. I'm concerned about the people in this building, and, you know, I think I got plenty of help, plenty of good coaching, plenty of good teammates to work with here. That's what I'm focused on. I've got, you know, people I trust who have relationships with who, you know, can help me out.
Starting point is 00:27:56 But in terms of other people and what they have to say or what they think from their perspective and what their observations are is really not very important to me. I saw a piece of video last several days of New York fans as he was walking. Yeah, that was bad. It was really ugly. It's like people are just jerks.
Starting point is 00:28:14 They're losers. The game was over in the third quarter, basically. You still hung around in the parking lot crushing beers so you could yell stuff at Daniel Jones about how much he stinks. I know. Like assess your life, like folks. Come on.
Starting point is 00:28:27 That's a little harsh. Like he's not good. We could say that fine. but to like stay afterwards as he's walking to his car to heckle him. Is he a starter in this league next year? No, no, he's not. And Will Levis is not. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:39 Mark Sanchez was trying to tell me Daniel Jones could be a starter somewhere. He's like, look at Sam Darnold. He's starting. Why can't Daniel Jones start? Sam Darnold's a much better quarterback. I agree. I think it's over for Jones as a starter. Final story is, oh, look, the Jets.
Starting point is 00:28:52 Hassan Reddick, the guy who's holding out since the trade, hasn't practiced or played for the Jets. He wants big money. The Jets could obviously use him. him on the defensive line as they could not get to Brock Purdy in the opener. Robert Sala says there's no indication that Hassan Redick will show up anytime soon. Is there any side of ready today? Not that I'm aware from a past game standpoint. Like I said, I thought San Francisco did a really nice job getting rid of the ball.
Starting point is 00:29:20 We stacked them a couple times. But look, we're always going to want our own in the building. It is what it is. But, you know, whenever the deal gets done, it gets done. Not great. Luckily, they won't need him against Will Levis, your guy. But, like, big picture, it would be nice to have a pass rusher in there. They miss Bryce Huff, obviously.
Starting point is 00:29:46 Well, of course. He's an elite playmaker. He's more of a situational guy. Redick, I mean, you just... I don't know, Colin. Like, if you're the GM, it's not your money. It's the owner's money. Just pay the guy.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Because guess what? If the Jets go 6 and 10 or, say, sorry, 6 and 11, do you think... They're out of jobs anyway. Do you think the Niners, Eagles, and Rams would pay us on? John Reddick. Yes. They're in different circumstances.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Those teams are in the Super Bowl every other year. I mean, look at the Niners roster. They're paying everybody except Brock Pretty. People say, well, they're not paying Brock Pretty. They're paying everybody else. The Jets are not in that class. They're more in the Cleveland Browns class. That's right.
Starting point is 00:30:19 Where they're desperate and they need to do whatever. Hey, let's pay just John Watson, hope for the best. Let's pay us on Redick. Because you know what? The GM and Sala are going to be gone, fired. See ya if the season doesn't work out. Well, I'm not a fair question. If it didn't work out, if they ended up being eight and nine.
Starting point is 00:30:35 With or without Reddick? Either way. If he comes back, he's not in great shape, isn't good until like. How is solid keeping his job if they go eight? Well, I don't think he is. I think I'd keep the GM. Oh, really? Right.
Starting point is 00:30:49 I'm asking the question. I don't know. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Speaking of that, I was, there was an Aaron Rogers bite yesterday.
Starting point is 00:31:05 He is good content. I mean, I'm not going to, he's very, good content. So he was, you know, their own one, but you know, they looked ugly at Owen one. They had one legitimate drive. Couldn't stop anybody. O and ones are not the same. The Rams are on one.
Starting point is 00:31:21 They looked mostly great. I thought Indianapolis is all in one. No, no. No. Houston's good. You know, that's different than Tennessee being O'N one and now facing the jets. That's ugly. So Aaron Rogers met with the media and talked about everybody freaking out
Starting point is 00:31:37 after losing ugly to San Francisco. I mean, I think we always got to stay relaxed. It's a long season. I think at times people think the season is like you're out in the prairie or the desert and you're wandering around trying to find water. But it's more like a nice slow ballero, where we're just swaying with the music
Starting point is 00:31:58 and reacting to whatever comes to us and through us and just trying to not get too high with the highs or too low with the lows. That sounds great. Relax. Everybody stay calm. I'm the leader here. But if they lose to Tennessee and it's 0 and 2, this puppy's unraveling. Okay, and Aaron can say whatever he wants.
Starting point is 00:32:25 He can be like Leslie Nielsen or the animal house scene. Everybody stay calm. Nothing to see here. Yeah, it's New York. it's the jets and staying calm is much easier when things are aesthetically pretty
Starting point is 00:32:41 like hey they lost an overtime to the Niners in a shootout 24 you know 24 21 losing a field goal overtime you'd be like okay it's aesthetically looked apart this didn't and then it's New York and I think this is what
Starting point is 00:32:59 makes this lift so difficult for Aaron losing culture never stay calm. Rams do. Rams have massive injuries. Massive injuries. They could go 0-1-2 and lose to Arizona. It won't be man overboard. Philadelphia goes in a losing street. It's not man overboard.
Starting point is 00:33:22 I mean, the Cleveland Browns and the jets could walk through a puddle and think they're drowning. That's the reality of poorly run franchises. I mean, remember this week when Robert Sala said this about the 0-1 start? unfortunately it does because I think I know we're going to get the defense fix that that is not a problem that's a problem it's not a problem and and I know we're going to get a lot better from week one the week two we got a great opportunity this week against Tennessee on a short week
Starting point is 00:33:52 again oh and two it's going to look like Leslie Nielsen nothing to see here everybody be calm I'm sorry, it's not going to be calm in New York. It's not, okay? And there was another graphic that I saw, a very strange passing chart that I got to look at this morning. For our radio audience, I apologize. Look at that passing chart.
Starting point is 00:34:26 He basically didn't look right. Everything was left. now Aaron can obviously read a defense obviously Aaron Rogers has a snaps he's very cerebral he can absolutely read a defense that's something you'd see from a rookie quarterback or an overwhelmed quarterback what does that passing chart
Starting point is 00:34:46 tell you it's a very predictable fairly simplistic passing game you don't think Tennessee is looking at that I mean look at that that's a rookie passing chart short and to the left So I put this on my Instagram yesterday, and I had one smart guy say, what did he say?
Starting point is 00:35:06 He's afraid of his backside. Yep. He wants to see. He doesn't know the offensive line yet. That's right. He wants, that's right. Aaron right now, and this is recoiling, Aaron wants to throw left only so he can see out of the corner of his eye the pass rush.
Starting point is 00:35:23 So that's something else. The Achilles injury, obviously, understand. I'm not criticizing him. Some PTSD. This is, I don't want to go through this crap. That's right. PTSD is right. So Aaron is telling you, right now, I don't trust. So think about this. He doesn't trust Nat Hackett. Well, he's never taken a snap with the new offensive line. Didn't do one in the preseason, which I think did a disservice to him. Like you come out and see that passing chart, I'm going to tell you right now, this Tennessee matchup, Colin, you start to dig into it.
Starting point is 00:35:50 If they put Sneed, the great guy they got from KC. If they just have him jam Garrett Wilson at the line, what other Jets receiver scares you? Alan Lazzard? Mike Williams? He barely played. The tight end is a non-factor. So they're just going to stack the box against Breeze Hall. This just screams like a low-scoring game and the Jets better come out on top. There's some legit concerns here for the Jets.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Yeah, I mean, when I saw that passing chart, and again, I apologize to our radio audience. Basically, it shows Aaron just went left. So you've got multiple things here. You have an O.C. he doesn't trust and wouldn't pay attention to. The eye rolls at Alan Lazzard, only throwing left, doesn't trust the O.C. this whole thing about stay calm. And I really do. I think I really like listening to Aaron Rogers.
Starting point is 00:36:35 I love the book by Ian O'Connor. I think the documentary on Netflix is going to be fascinating. I watch all the con. It's like people say, oh, I hate this show. I hate, do you listen? That's all that matters. I watch all the Aaron Games. I find him fascinating.
Starting point is 00:36:47 He's very, very complex. But I think it, I, 21 pass attempts, two to the right side. Okay, that's telling you he's not comfortable looking away. Yeah, and it's not like Patrick Sertans on the other side. No, no, no. 49ers don't have a lockdown guy. Yeah. So there's a lot of stuff here, and I think it's very easy to say, stay calm.
Starting point is 00:37:06 What is when Stan Cronkey's your owner and McVeigh is your coach, and I got Cooper Cup and Pooka Nakua, then it's easy to stay calm. It's very easy. Hey, Christian McCaffrey's not playing. The Niners are like, we're good. We got nine weapons, and the backup kid's good, and Shanahan and his father are the great run first officer.
Starting point is 00:37:28 offensive minds of my life. It's just, it's staying calm in New York, Jets complex, it doesn't work that way. That's not what it is. Again, the Browns, the Jets, walk through a puddle, their first reaction is, get a life preserver.
Starting point is 00:37:44 We're in trouble here. They go 0 and 2. You and I know. It's our lead. It is our lead on Monday. Maybe I should root for that. That's a good lead. Stop. Come on. No, I want them to, I do. I want them to win. It's good for our business. If the Jets are I want the Jets to win.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Aaron Rogers back on top. There's no... People think, oh, you're rooting for... You know what I root for? Star Quarterbacks? Redemption. I mean, the Baker story in Tampa. Much smaller is a great story.
Starting point is 00:38:10 If Baker goes 13 and 4 in that division, it's a great story for us. That's not happening. But yeah, it would be a wonderful story. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, gang, this is Jay Glazer, host of Unbreakable,
Starting point is 00:38:27 a mental wealth podcast, and every week we will have on leaders from sports, entertainment, like Sean McVeigh, Lindsey Vaughn, Michael Phelps, David Spade, Guy Fiery, and also those who can help us in between the ears, anyone from a therapist to someone like Ed Milet or John Gordon. We've all been through some sort of adversity to get to the top. We've all used different tools. Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer and Mental Wealth Podcast on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.
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Starting point is 00:39:20 I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,
Starting point is 00:39:41 or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations,
Starting point is 00:40:12 stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look
Starting point is 00:40:45 Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode, with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.
Starting point is 00:41:15 Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games.
Starting point is 00:41:38 And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch.
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Starting point is 00:42:33 Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of taun tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense,
Starting point is 00:42:55 of the Sith Rule of Two. Listen to Stuff to Bo Your Mind on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tonight, it's baseball night in America on Fox as Raphael Devers
Starting point is 00:43:09 and the Red Sox take on rival Aaron Judge and the Yankees or the Ray's Battle Jose Ramirez and the Guardians. It all begins tonight at 6.30 Eastern on Fox. Check for the game in your area. Are you giggling about what's going on?
Starting point is 00:43:22 I've butchered this guy's name yesterday and they were just telling me how to say it and then I was going over in my head how to say it. And I'm like, ah, Jason, you just screwed it up. Damn. Top of the hour, by the way. I'm so, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:33 we've been bringing Greg CoSell on my show since I was at the other place, probably 12, 13 years. And, you know, he's really good. Obviously, the TV audience can see how he breaks down stuff. But I think, you know, everybody now has a take. Everybody's got strong opinions, myself included.
Starting point is 00:43:50 He didn't really have one. He's not really, he didn't predict games. He just says, this is what the tape is showing. So I always think, think if you play fantasy football or you're a gambler, beyond just being entertained by it, I think Greg is such valuable consumption. And I'm looking at some of the questions. The staff and I kind of go over some questions.
Starting point is 00:44:10 What do you want to do? I see that Sam Darnold question. My God, I can't wait to hear this. Listen, it would be nice as America's honesty broker if one person in the viewing or listening audience ever supported me one time on San Diego. I understand. I'm on an island. I'm like Tom Hanks and Castaway. I'm talking to a volleyball. I'm out here by myself. I'm on an island. Going crazy. But you know what? Eventually Tom Hanks ended up back in insurance and life ended very, very nice. So I'm going to be fine, but I cannot wait. Because I could have just banged a drum all week on Sam Donald. No, that's not
Starting point is 00:44:48 who I am. Reticent, quiet, understated. So I've been saying this for years about the Pittsburgh Steelers. What's the standard? Are you still bragging about, hey, we've never had a losing season? You're the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's pathetic. That's what, like, most of my life, the Browns are the Bengals. Now, the Bengals now have their act together mostly.
Starting point is 00:45:13 But what is your standard? And I was thinking about this. Christian McCaffrey did not play in the opener. And Jay Mack and I were talking about this in a 17-game season, and soon to be 18 games, the Niners are not going to play just 17 games. They're a playoff team. They're going to play 18, 19, 20, 21. That's what they're going to do.
Starting point is 00:45:34 But what I like about the Niners is big picture, they have a high standard. And so Kyle Shanahan was talking recently on a San Francisco radio station about just letting Christian McCaffrey watch the preseason and watch week one. If it was a playoff game, you know, he made it very clear to me that he believed he could go. But when you hear that type of stuff, and it's not a playoff game and it's week one, and especially when you're dealing with the lower extremities like that, it was a tough
Starting point is 00:46:05 decision, but hearing all the words and stuff, in the long run, it made it easy. And I also think this with the 49ers. There are only two teams in the league. We have 32 teams. There are two that have a standard, which is win
Starting point is 00:46:23 the Super Bowl, or it's a failure. Dallas would throw a parade if they could get to the NFC championship. Even Buffalo, if they got to a Super Bowl, that would mean they beat Mahomes. They'd be satisfied. They want to win the Super Bowl. But if they lost a wild shootout with the Niners, they beat Mahomes and Burrough and Lamar Jackson. It'd be a good year in Buffalo with a lot of promise going forward. Baltimore.
Starting point is 00:46:48 What about Baltimore, Colin? You're telling me if Lamar Jackson wins two or three playoff games and gets the Super Bowl. Basically, they know the extension they gave him. It's worth it. He can win playoff games. And that also means he probably beats Mahomes and Josh Allen. They would be okay getting to a Super Bowl. Green Bay, I mean, I think they're ahead of schedule.
Starting point is 00:47:10 It's like the youngest team in the league. Youngest team in the league. Detroit, they've never been to a Super Bowl. You don't think Detroit, I mean, Detroit goes to a Super Bowl, loses in overtime. What do you think? Their year is lost. Michigan just won a Natty in college football. the lions a year and a half later get to a Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:47:27 I think they'd be okay. Even successful Philadelphia. What about Philadelphia? Okay, let's think about it. Nick Seriani's fighting for his job. They paid Jalen Hertz, who's been great for one year under Shane Steichen, who's now the Colts coach. If Philadelphia gets to a Super Bowl and loses a shootout to Josh Allen or Burrow,
Starting point is 00:47:45 they know Nick Seriani's. He probably gets an extension. Because right now they don't know if Siriani's the guy. They know Shane Steichen and Siriani were a group. great tandem. They don't know if he's a guy. The story's coming out. He didn't get along with Jalen Hurts. So Texans get to a Super Bowl, just get there. Come on, they're like three years ahead of schedule.
Starting point is 00:48:06 So to me, Christian McCaffrey, the whole ball game, because it's the Niners, is will he be ready to play February 9th in New Orleans? Only two teams have that standard. San Francisco's been to Super Bowls. They've led Mahomes in the fourth quarter. That's not the end game. Shanahan's getting a little bit of a rep that he has leads in big games
Starting point is 00:48:27 and loses him. Now, I think it's unfair. I think he's brilliant. But that's the rep. If something happens over and over and over, that's the rep. So it's that's why you don't play Christian McCaffrey. Chiefs Niners, totally different
Starting point is 00:48:43 standard than the league. Completely different. I know what you're saying in Philadelphia. In Philadelphia, you don't know if Siriani's the guy. He gets to a Super Bowl this year in a better NFC. the guy give him an extension the week two NFL schedule take a look at it tonight I don't know why I'm doing this I'm going to take Miami over Buffalo it is a very strange week to it's got almost a college football field to it a lot of six point favorites a lot of
Starting point is 00:49:15 lob sided Gardner Minchu against Lamar Jackson Justin Herbert against Bryce Young Trevor Lawrence against currently awful Deshawn Watson. Gino Smith, a couple of Pro Bowls, nine wins against Jacoby Brissette. Aaron Rogers Will Levis. Hey, I just noticed a schedule quirk. So the Raiders played Jim Harbaugh last week in L.A. Now they go across the country to face John Harbaugh. I wonder if the Harbaugh brothers are going to chat on the phone about any tendencies.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Of course they are. Remember Jim Harbaugh came on our show? and when they got J.K. Dobbins, he called his brother and said, you know, we need a running back. And his brother's like, the dude complied. Gus Edwards, too, and the O.C. The Harbaugh family, they lean on each other. That's a big advantage. That's a good catch by you. Nice catch by you. That's not really fair to the Raiders. If you're looking around the league,
Starting point is 00:50:16 it's like, how are you going to schedule the brothers back to back? So week one, you get upset. Cincinnati lost in New England. Look at that board right now. Look at the entire board. There's going to be an upset this week. where's the upset? Ooh. So there's going to be one. I'll go Malik Willis.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Malik Willis basically just trash the guy Monday. He can't play. He's not a pro. The more you look at the gate, I think LaFleur is going to scheme up some stuff. Short stuff. I bet Malik Willis doesn't throw one pass beyond 10 yards.
Starting point is 00:50:46 It's just a run game. Everything played in them. And Indy just, I saw their top cornerback is gone. He's out. Brent's. So their secondary wasn't good last week. CJ Stroud, nine for nine on third down. Tell me, Malik Willis can't game manage his way to a victory?
Starting point is 00:51:00 Let me ask you this. If Bo Nix beats the Steelers, is that an upset? I like that one as well. But that's below three now. Steelers are sitting on three. Now it's below three. I think Denver at home. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Yeah. I think Bo Nicks beating the Steelers. That doesn't really qualify as one of the great upsets of our time. Yeah. Of our time. Don't forget one hour from now, we've got our big ten bets, our three best big ten bets. Each of us have three plus Greg CoSell next. Hour 2, live in L.A.
Starting point is 00:51:27 Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.
Starting point is 00:51:51 Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
Starting point is 00:52:18 I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tontons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Bo Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast.
Starting point is 00:53:00 From 1979, that was a big moment for me. Eighty-four was big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. I mean, it was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:53:28 A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Cliver Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that
Starting point is 00:53:49 not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok's podcast network on TikTok. This is an IHeart podcast, guaranteed human.

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