The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Kevin Durant Returning to Golden State?

Episode Date: July 15, 2022

Chris Broussard and Jason McIntyre in for Colin. Would be a bad idea for Kevin Durant to return to the Warriors? Would you consider a LeBron-for-KD trade?  Guest: Ephraim Salaam #oddcouple #straightfireSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and we are in for Colin Cowherd. Obviously, he is off. We hope he has a wonderful weekend. As do, we hope for you. But for now, we're going to bring you into that weekend with a great three hours. So keep it locked right here on Fox Sports Radio and the I-Hart Radio app. Let me welcome in, my man, Jason McIntyre. Hey, Mac, what up, brother?

I'm great, Chris. I am great, very excited to be hosting with you. It's been a few years since we did this. I think we did it from the FS1 Studios pre-COVID, and it was an NBA-ish show in July. This one will be a little NBA, a little NFL. And, of course, as usual, Chris Broussard and I will agree on everything because we are in lockstep in life and in sports as well.

I don't know how that sounds to me. I got to let me think about that before I. I let you lock me in to being in lockstep with you on everything. But, no, you my man, we're going to have a lot of fun. We got Eiff from Salam joining us in about 20 minutes. He is always great. No, not just NFL. Don't be fooled that he was, you know, a former NFL player.

He also knows his hoops. So we'll talk about him, everything with him. But J. Mack, let us start off with the NBA, as you mentioned. And we saw yesterday, DeAndre Aiton, one of the top centers in the league. I was saying earlier on first things first, that he almost made my third team all-N-B-A as a center. Because I went with Rudy Gobert,

but I thought long and hard about putting my man DeAndre Aiton in there, 17 points, 10 rebounds a game. You can mark that in to the box score. But Indiana made him a max offer sheet, four years, 133 million. And after all of the back-and-fours, all of the cold shouldering and everything from his team to Phoenix Suns. At the end of the day, they went ahead and matched the offer.

So DeAndre Aten will be back with the Suns. Can't be traded until January 15th. And can veto any trade anywhere for a year. So basically, good for the Suns, but you know what, Jay Mack? The real story about this, it essentially takes Phoenix out of the Kevin Durant sweepstakes. Because they were one of the teams on his wish list. The sons aren't willing to give up Devin Booker. And so even if it were a three or four team deal,

if they're not partying with DeAndre Aiton or Devin Booker, it's simply not happening. And so now, Miami, second team on his wish list, they don't seem to have the pieces to get it done. I've said all along that I feel like he should return to Brooklyn. I feel like Brooklyn should be like, you know, we looked KD, we didn't find a great offer. So we'll see you in September at training camp. But it seems to be down to Brooklyn staying there.

Or there is a little momentum. I don't even want to say growing momentum. But there's a little bit of talk about KD returning to the Warriors. Now, I've heard that. I've heard rumblings. Not sure I believe them. but I have started to hear in a few different places that KD would like to go back to the warrior. So here's what I want to ask you, Jay Mack.

Do you think it's a bad idea for Kevin Durant to go back to Golden State? I think bad is putting it lightly, Chris. This is a terrible idea. First of all, I don't think the Warriors would mortgage the farm, giving up, say, Jordan Poole, Wiggins, Coominga, Wise, and Moody, which is kind of what the Nets want. But for Durant's... Well, remember, they can't give up Wiggins.

Yeah, they would have to move Ben Simmons. And he's got to be untradable right now because nobody knows... I mean, nobody knows where his head is at. But let's say just philosophically, if it can work, because maybe you can work it out with a three-team deal or something like that, just philosophically, do you like the notion from KD's standpoint of him going back to Goldstein? It's terrible for Kevin Durant.

This is an... This would be an unmitigated deal. disaster. Chris, you've heard the phrase you can't go home again, right? Because when you go home, it's never the same. And I know a lot of, well, it was a little different for LeBron because he won the championship. He had not won before. Kevin Durant went to Golden State, won two titles, was the NBA finals MVP twice. They were the greatest team in NBA history in 2017. Okay, they went 16 and one in the playoffs. Just they level, they vaporized the entire league, Chris. Kevin Durant was the best player in the league, but we've got to remember he was 28 years old.

And in 2017, or 2018, when they wanted it again, he was 29. He was in his prime. KD turns 34 in September, Chris. This is a guy coming off in Achilles injury. He's still a very, very good player. That seems to be, you seem to be building a case for him to return. Absolutely not, Chris. Because if he's not as good as you seem to be saying and he can't carry his own team, why not go get some chips?

This is the phrase you can't go home again. and I know some people are like, well, his home is not Golden State. And then the counter to that is, well, it certainly is an OKC. They hate him in OKC. He has been booed in OKC for five years. He's not going back here. They burned his jerseys, right? So this is, and to get philosophical on you, like, this is kind of a man with no home.

And Kevin Durant is a bit of a wanderer. He is the kind of guy who is searching for something. You know, going back to his high school days, Kevin Durant, three different high schools. He went to three different high schools, Chris, like bouncing around. And then he's a northern Virginia DMV kind of guy. I'm from that area as well. Look at you with the psycho analysis. Well, again, Chris, out of the blue, he goes to Texas.

You know, and he was very good there. I mean, maybe he's trying a new thing. Let me get out of the area. Go to Texas. And then he comes to the NBA, OKC. Then he leads for Golden State. I advocated that move. Then he goes to Brooklyn.

Now he wants out again. Like, what is he searching for? And Chris, I just say there's a better chance that things go awry for KD on his return to Golden State because they're not going to be as good. They just aren't. He's very good, but everybody's older. If he went there, they would be the definitive favorites. I mean, I think they're already up there with the Clippers in the West.

Right, they're up there and they're, let's even call them the favorite. But it's close, right? Clippers. Listen, the West is loaded. Denver Nuggets are going to be very good. With KD. With KD. They don't become the definitive favorite?

What does being the favorite mean? That doesn't mean anything. They would have to win. I think there's so much pressure. There'll be so much. When the Ray returns to Golden State, they are the best team in the NBA. That's what it means. Okay, on paper, yes.

What is that worth? Okay, let's look in the locker room. What happened at the end? KD. kind of said, I'm out of here. First of all, he's cool with Draymond. Of course he's cool with it. Yes, but guess what?

It's cool to be friends on social media and doing podcasts, and when you see them in the club. It's another thing to be part of an 82-game season and a 20-game playoff run and be in the locker room with them all the time. We remember it got ugly with Draymond Green. and Kevin Durant. It ain't ugly now. Draymond's on his podcast,

dropping all this revisionist history. Hey, we loved him in the organization. It was you guys out there, the media that didn't appreciate him. I'm not saying they didn't like because they recognized his greatness within the Warriors organization, but so did the media.

It was the media naming him the finals MVP, especially the second year, you could have justified giving it to Steph, even though KD was the best. It was the media, like you just said, saying he was the best player in the world. That's revisionist history. Oh, we couldn't have beat the Cavs in 17 and 18 without KD. I think that's revisionist.

I think they could have beaten them in 17. And so Draymond is doing this, J-Mack, to make way for if KD somehow decides he wants to return, it's all good. Steph will get to this later, but there are reports about him reaching out to his. KD. I mean, there was a report that all three of the stars, including Clay, had talked to KD. I'm just saying, look, I tend to agree with you that it's not a great idea for Kevin Durant. But for different reasons. I don't think he's washed as you.

I mean, I don't think you think he's washed. No, no, no. But you certainly paint the picture like, huh, now he's 34. He's coming off the injuries, Chris. He's as good as he used to be. No. Absolutely. He is. He is.

When is he ever? Why isn't he as good? Because he couldn't carry a team? When does he ever carried a team to a championship? In the 2017 playoffs, Kevin Durant averaged. Are you ready for this? 55% shooting, 44% from 3, 89% from the foul line. 28 points was the finals MVP.

He got outplayed head-to-head in the first round by Jason Tatum this year, period. He got outplayed by Jason Tatum at-to-head. Let me share with you why. And he did. But first of all, he was. it's easier to play high-level basketball when you are surrounded by stars. And that's what people don't understand

when they give all this. KD has so much pressure on him, you know, in the finals in 2017. Yes, he had pressure because everybody hated him. Not everybody, but, you know, people looked at him negatively because he went to Golden State of 73-win team that had just dropped him in the conference finals. That was the pressure.

But he had gotten over that. He got over that when he decided to go there. He said, I can handle it. And he played great all year, and he was great in the finals. But on the court, when you have the opponent double teaming a teammate, Steph Curry, when you have Clay Thompson, another guy they have to worry about, it's easier for you to do your thing. So KD was great.

I'm not taking anything from him. but let's not act like he had to carry a team by himself like he was asked to do in Brooklyn. Kyrie was great in game one, didn't do much in the last three. He was okay. Their offense was give it to Kevin, give it to Kyrie, and let's watch them go one-on-one. Maybe we'll set a pick other than that. Do your thing, guys. Whereas in Golden State, a lot of ball movement, a lot of player movement, more sophisticated, better scheming.

So that is why I, look, Kevin, if you want to bring up the injuries, that's fair. Chris, time out injuries. Don't tell me Kevin Durant is not as good as he was in 2017. He's absolutely not. He's played 80. I'm sorry, 90 games. Hold on.

He's played 90 games in three years. He has not the same player. And Chris, to your point, hold on, to your point, in 2017, the Warriors did have stars. Clay Thompson was a star. Dramey was a star. They are not. They were down two to one in the finals. Clay Thompson was being discussed as washed because he was playing poorly.

Playtime and average the same amount of points in the playoffs. He's not even close to the same player. Do not play that card. Yeah, but I think he will be when he comes back. Maybe if they get Kevin Durant. However, Draymond Green was essentially benched down the stretch in a pivotal game by Steve Kerr. It was a genius move. So these guys aren't the same warriors where you're going to have to double clay and focus on Steph.

It's a different story, man. Five years later, Chris. Five years removed from that incredible team in 2017. J-Mac, again, I agree with you. It's not the best idea in the world for KD, but I don't like your reasoning. This team that you seem to be poo-pooing. I'm not poop-pooing.

They just won the title. Dre's not what he used to be. Yeah, they just won the title without Kevin Durant. And you're going to tell me that adding Kevin Durant, they're not going to be as good. Again, they'll be good. They will be the definitive favorite. Hold on, let me ask quick.

Who is the second best person on the Warriors in the finals? This should be easy. Wiggins. Okay. And in any deal to make salaries match, Wiggins has to be moved. I don't know if a third team is involved. Hold on.

A third team could easily be involved. Indiana could absorb. They have a ton of cap room. Utah's about to get cap room because of Mitchell. Simmons would easily be moved. If you remove Wiggins, who was the second best player on the Warriors, he was incredible defensively against Tatum.

He came through offensively. Like, Kevin Durant is going to have to fill that role. And I know he's better than Andrew Wiggins. Well, he's not going to be a defender. Well, okay. Who's defending on this team? He'll be a good. He'll be a good.

He's not anymore. He's not great. This is not a knock on play. This is reality, man. We'll see, Jay Matt. He was coming off a major injury, and he's dropped into the most important games of the season. Can we give him a minute to get back together?

His dad was trying to kill me over text message. I get it again. Right. Let's see what he does. I'm not saying he'll ever be as good as he was as a defender, but can he be good? Yeah. I think he will be a good defender.

And if you've noticed over this run for the Warriors, these last six years, everybody, when they go to Golden State, they play better because their role is defined. The offensive system is player friendly if you want to hustle and move. And so I'm not certain, but I do think a young guy, like if you have Kevin Durant, I can say by to Jordan Pool as much as I like it. I'm not losing Jordan Pool at all. As much as I like Jordan Poole, I would have Steph, KD, and Clay as big time scores. And then I think a Jordan, I mean, a Cominga can step in as maybe that defensive play. Who are you giving away for Kevin Doreen? Give me this deal.

If you're keeping Cuminga and Wiggins, come on. What's going on here? If I have to give up Wiggins and Poole, then I can say, yeah, I'm keeping one of the young boys. Now, if I, if I, if I, I, I would love to do it without Wiggins. I'm with you on how great he was. Okay, time out. Chris, you're saying Wiggins and Poole. So they rejected a Sons deal for Aiton and Bridges and you think they're doing Wiggins and Poole? You got to give up way more than that.

They're going to want Wiggins, Wiseman, Coominga, pool. They're going to want all that. And the Wires should say, no way. Yes, Wiseman would be a part of it. Wig, if I had to give up Wiggins pool and Wiseman and maybe Moody, that's it. I'm not doing that. All right, but that's not the issue. The point is, is it right for KD?

No. All right, and here's my point. You're saying this. It's a terrible move for KD. I think you're making an argument why it would be good for him. No, it's a terrible move. Well, let me finish. All right, I listen to your three, four, five minutes soliloquy.

Can I say something? Go ahead. All right. You are saying KD's not as good as he used to be. The warriors aren't as good as they used to be. It wouldn't be laid out on a platter for him. You know, they wouldn't be like 17 and 18 where it's automatic. Those seem to be reasons where KD.

will go. I'm 34. I've only played 90 games my last three years. I can't carry a team. Let me go somewhere where we can all work together and it's not just me. Argument for Golden State. It's not laid out on a silver platter. It wouldn't be easy to win it.

Argument for returning to Golden State. My reasoning is this. J. Mack, if Kevin Durant goes back to Golden State, he'll forever be known as a Robin. He will. Because they have proven that they can win it, not once, but twice without him. Okay?

It is Steph's team. And so, look, KD, by his own admission, he can get mad, by his own admission, GQ magazine, he said when he first joined him, Warriors, he's not a leader. All right, he can go there and not have to be the leader. He can just hoop to use his word. All right, but it will always be known as Steph's team.

Now, here's the upside. If they win another championship, which I definitely think they win one more, maybe two. If they win multiple rings, Kevin Durant will also go down as part of the one of greatest duos in NBA history. You got Jordan Pippen, you got Shaq Kobe, you got Kareem Magic, you'll have Steph KD, winners of three, four rings together. And that is, you know, and it won't be the gap between Jordan Pippin. It'll be more like Shaq Kobe.

And KD may win more of those finals MVP's. So if he has kind of come to the self-revelation of, you know what, I don't want to lead a team. I just want to hoop. I'm fine going in there. It's Steph's team. You know, people going to criticize me. So what? I don't care. I just want to be happy. If he has come to that realization, then he could go back there. But he'd have to understand. I'm going to be recognized as an all-time great, but a number two. You can't. You can't be a Robin if you have two finals MVP and an NBA MVP, Chris. That just, that doesn't add. No, you can't. Sure, why not? Why not?

You were a finals MVP twice and the MVP of the league. You were an alpha. He was MVP of the league ages ago. Yeah. You were talking about 2017. You're talking about his career. Remember, this is a Kevin Doreen who went on Twitter this week and said, what did you do for your legacy today?

He never won as the lead leader of a team. That's what I mean. He was the best player, but he wasn't the leader of that team. How do you quantify leader? You either set the culture like a Tim Duncan did in San Antonio, like a Steph Curry does in Golden State. Hold on. You ask me a question. Let me answer. Or you are a vocal leader. You get everybody going. You solve the issues and challenges that the team is facing. They look to you for advice or as an example. Did they do any of that with Kevin Durant? Yeah, he played great.

But he wasn't setting any tone. He stepped into the tone. By that measure, whoever is drafted by that team is the leader, right? No, no, no. Who was the Miami Heat leader when LeBron went there with Chris Bosch? Initially, it was Duane. Okay, because Wade was drafted there. So you're setting the idea of what the leader is.

No, because Wade had already led them to a championship and it's part of your personality. LeBron was learning to lead. You, sometimes you're born with it. Sometimes you can improve at it. But it's not just about being drafted somewhere. All right. We got plenty more.

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and Jason McIntyre. And now we're going to be joined by former NFL offensive Lyman Fox Sports Radio weekend host our man, Ephraim Salon. What's up, Ephra?

What's happening, man? How are you doing? We are good. Quickly, we're going to get to the NFL with you, obviously, some pertinent questions there. But Jason McIntyre and I were just talking about whether or not it's a good idea for Kevin Durant, from his perspective, to go back to Golden State. What are your thoughts on that? In terms of, if we're talking about his legacy or something like that, no, it's not a good idea.

If he just wants to win more championships, then, of course, is a good idea. Why wouldn't you go to the odds on favor to run it back again? I mean if he's trying to stack championships, it's a great idea for him to go back to Golden State. Do you know you work well?

Oh, did we lose Ephraim? Dang, he was making a good point, too. Legacy of the top and the greatest players ever, yeah, that's not what you should be doing if you're Kevin Durant. All right.

Mac, let's get back to some NFL with you. Yeah, Ephraim, I don't know, this Lamar Jackson stuff this week is very unsettling to me. You got some TV show out there putting out that Lamar is not a top 10 quarterback. Yeah, Dak Prescott cracks the top 10. I mean, what is going on here? And then you got former hitman Bernard Pollard taking some shots at Lamar Jackson. Receivers don't want to play there. Man, I don't know.

I don't know, I don't know, Eiff. Maybe I'm the last Lamar Jackson defender on the planet, but the guy's got one MVP. He's taken to the Raven to the playoffs, I believe three. times already in his career. He's still ascending. What's the deal here, man? Yeah, I don't know all the negative press and all that's coming from. Lamar Jackson is an electrifying young quarterback with so much room to grow. Just think about it, winning your MVP in your second year and, you know, leading your team, like you said, to the playoffs and, you know, all of a sudden the narrative has changed. and, you know, the Ravens had a shot of making the playoffs last year before Lamar Jackson gets hurt.

We know he can throw the ball, and we know he's dynamic with the ball and his hand in the open field. So personally, I don't know where all the negative backlash is coming from in terms of his talent and what he brings to a team. If I'm a GM, I would love to have a Lamar Jackson on my team as a quarterback. Are you kidding me? But don't you think, look, and I'm a Lamar, fan too and I thought it was a travesty that he wasn't in the top 10 but he does have to improve

a lot at throwing the football don't you think? I think that's what all the criticism is at. I do but you got to also realize the type of offense they run. They've catered it so much to his ability to run and to move the pocket

that very rarely in some games in the past we have seen him stand in the pocket and throw the ball for you know 300 plus yards and multiple touchdowns. He has that ability. So do they need to tweak it? Tweak the offense?

But that's what I'm saying. If the offense doesn't dictate that he does that, then it's not going to ever happen. Of course they need to tweak it. If they want to keep him in the pocket and keep him out of harm's way, stop running read options. But that's taken away a huge, see, I think that's the chicken and the egg argument. are they doing the feeling is that they're basing the whole offense around his strengths

and exactly but in order to evolve as a quarterback right you bring a young player in he's used to doing this it's fine but as the evolution of a player's talent right if you want to continue to evolve that player's talent you have to push that player right you have to push that player and have them work on the things that others may seem as defensively. efficiencies. If they're not willing to do that with their offense and get comfortable with him running at a certain type of way, he'll never evolve into what you need him to be or what you want him to be or what he can be. So, Ephraim, if we're at the negotiating table and you're the Ravens and you say that to me and I'm Lamar, I come back and say, hey, guys, that's all good

and well, I got it. Sure, I'll improve as a passer. How about you get me a receiver? Because you look around the league, Ephem, and all the good quarterbacks, what did their front offices do when they were on the rookie deal. They went and got a superstar receiver. I mean, Stefan Diggs goes to Buffalo, Josh Allen becomes a star. O'Dell Beckham goes to play with Baker Mayfield. That didn't quite work out, but O'Dell put up some good numbers. They made the playoffs, and you look around the league. The young quarterbacks get star receivers. You look at the Baltimore depth chart right now. Rashad Bateman, second year receiver is their number one option. Now, if I'm Lamar Jackson, I'm like, guys, how can you not get me a guy? Kyler Marie gets

the Andre Hopkins. What do I get? got. You're absolutely right. And if you want them to stay in the pocket and pass the ball, you got to get them, you got to throw them the ball. You got to have somebody to throw the ball to, correct? Like you need multiple weapons to throw the ball to. I don't want to dig into this deeply yet because we will, but T. Y. Hilton turned down more money to stay in Indianapolis. All right. T. Y. Hilton's like 34. Juju Smith's Jux to turn down more money to stay in Pittsburgh. I'm just saying Kenny Gala, they chose Daniel Jones and the Giants. They overpaid.

So I'm just saying, all right, little revisionist history there, Jay Mack. But you're not, but you're not giving us like top tier talent, like young talent. The mid tier is rejecting them. But you can also draft. But you can also draft well at the receipt, at that position, correct? Hollywood Brown left them. He was homegrown. He left.

Hollywood, I think if I'm a receiver. I think he led the league in drops last year. I'm not certain, but he's up there. This is the question, Ephra, because I think you pose, you present a good question. Is it because Lamar can really only play this way that the Ravens do this? Or is it that they are styming him by playing that type of offense? Whatever the case, you notice,

a receiver that's looking to put up numbers, looking to get the bag, is he going to want to go to that type of offense? So it's like you said earlier, they probably have to tweak things. All right. Eiff, great stuff. We only got to one topic, but you drop knowledge

and brought energy like you always do. That's our man, Eiff from Salam. Have a great weekend, man. You two brothers. Y'all stay safe. Later, man. Yep. All right.

Herdline news is next. Here's the herd. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Chris, Jason. Great to be with you guys. Great.

little debates so far. Let's see if we can keep the fun rolling here. We're actually going to start off with the NBA. It's been quite an offseason so far. You guys have already discussed the potential Kevin Durant movement. Another star everyone has their eyes on is Donovan Mitchell, enter the New York Knicks. Tony Jones of the Athletic is saying Utah was willing to let the Knicks take Mitchell in a trade for six first round draft picks, plus Quinton Grimes, Emmanuel Quickly, OB Topin and Miles McBride, but the Knicks declined that offer. Chris, is he asking price too high for this 25-year-old three-time All-Star? Yeah, it is.

And look, to Danny Angel's credit, they aren't asking for great players. I mean, all those guys are young. The fact that they don't want R.J. Barrett is on one hand stunning, but we understand it. They're not trying to be good next year. They are trying to be horrible and try to get Vic win by Yves. Hopefully I said it right. You didn't. Seven footer from, yeah, from France.

I might have chopped his name up. But Big Vic, we'll call him that way. That's who they are going after and obviously the draft pick so they have some flexibility in the future. So look, no one else can offer that many picks. All right. So the Knicks do have a little bit of leverage. So they just need to hold it out and they will get Donovan Mitchell, give up those players. And maybe four, maybe five.

first round picks. They have 11 over the next seven years. That'll still leave them well equipped in terms of drafts. So I think it gets done. But the Knicks are right to say, hold up. Six picks, that's ridiculous. Yeah, Danny Aange has no leverage, as Chris said. Donovan Mitchell wants out. They want a tank. I think five picks and no spare parts. Sorry, no disrespect to Quentin Grimes. I don't see what the fascination is there. But from a Knicks standpoint, hold up. Jalen Brunson and Donovan Mitchell is basically like doing what Portland had with C.J. McCollum and Damian Lillard. Now, not quite. It's like a light version, but they went to the

playoff six years in a row, Chris, as the starting back court, and I believe they made a run to the conference finals. So if Knicks fans should get excited about that, plus you still have Randall and Barrett, I think that's a top five team in the East, foe show. I love it for the Knicks. All right, for sure.

It's a good team. It's a good team. You're right. I'm excited if I'm the Knicks, and I can get Donovan Mitchell and keep Barry? Yeah. The Knicks. Russell Robinson in the middle to protect the rim. That's not bad. Chris, the Knicks have one playoff series win this century.

That's it. No, I know. That's a fact. One playoff series victory. That's it. They're starving. They're starving in the garden. All right.

Let's move on. Well, let's transition to a little golf. It's the comeback tour. Everyone's following. Tiger Woods has returned to golf after his near fatal car wreck back in February of 2021. Unfortunately, this time at the Open Championship, the comeback is short-lived. Woods will miss the cut. And quite frankly, guys, he's going to miss it by a mile.

Finishing nine over par with only about seven players right now in the entire field with a worst score. Yeah, tough. Jason, do you enjoy watching this version of Tiger or just to be able to see him play still? Or would you prefer him sort of hang it up and just be an ambassador of the game? I actually, I don't want to say this too harshly, but I enjoyed watching him fail because I bet against him to make the cut. Because I saw every. Everybody and their mom was laying the lumber on Tiger Woods minus 150 to make the cut. Guys, he's a year removed from like a near fatal car accident. Can we settle down and betting on Tiger Woods?

Don't bet with your heart, bet with your head. You got to fade Tiger going forward. Sorry, Ryan. My goodness, Jeff, can we take the money out of it? This guy's got no heart. I know. My goodness. Cold-blooded.

All right, look, none of us like seeing Tiger play like this. But we do like seeing Tiger play. All right. And that's the, that's the quandary for golf, right? I don't think anybody in golf, even look, guys that he's beating over the years, I'm not sure they even like seeing this version of Tiger Woods. All right, fans that have rooted against him, same thing. And no one wants to see Tiger like this.

But when Tigers in a tournament, at least when it starts, there is more excitement, there is more buzz, there is more coverage. And that's the problem that golf is facing right now. But look, he's 46 years old. Even if he hadn't had the horrific car accident, he's just much older. Let's face it, he wasn't playing great. He had the one win that we all celebrated a few years ago. But other than that, he wasn't even playing great before the accident.

So we want to hold on to can Tiger win another major? And I'd love it to happen. But unfortunately, I don't think it's. in the cards. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lye News. All right, at least one Lakers legend

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column in Bleacher Report a few days ago. They talked about a Kevin Durant for LeBron James trade. Now we know Phoenix, Miami, even Golden State. All these trades are very complicated. KD. for LeBron would be simple. Straight up, salaries are very close and you could do it easily. And I talked to someone close to LeBron about it. LeBron will want no part of that whatsoever. He's happy in L.A. He wants to stay in L.A. He's not just desperately chasing rings. And so he doesn't want any

part of it. I don't think the Lakers would do it. I don't think they'd send LeBron somewhere where he wouldn't want to go just out of respect. But who knows? Robert Ory, a Laker great by virtue of hitting so many big shots. He was on his podcast, The Big Shot, and he had different ideas. Here he is, Robert Ory. I think there's only probably one dude in league right now, are two dudes.

I say two dudes that aren't on the trading block. that wouldn't be on a trade. That's Luca and Steph. Everybody else can be traded. I don't care who you are. Do you think the Lakers would move on from LeBron? Hell yeah. Really?

Yeah. Because you don't think about it. I think it's kind of rooted now, you know. Yeah, but if someone say, you know what, I'm going to give you, let's say I give you KD. I was going to say it's going to have to be a Durant. Yeah. Yeah. If you Rob Polican, someone says, okay, I give you KD for LeBron, you have to do that trade.

because KD got by 10 years left. LeBron got by 3. Okay. First of all, and I love Big Shot. Couple little factual errors. I'm sure they were factual errors, mental typos, if you will. The fact that he didn't include Janus

in the untradable group, that's a mistake. I'm sure he would include Yonis. He just overlooked Yonis. And then to say Kevin Durant's got 10 years left, who do you think is, Tom Brady? All right? It'll be 34 in September.

So that may take a little bit of steam and credibility away from what Big Shot said. But your thoughts on that, J-Mack? Well, first of all, this is an absolute stunner. I did not read this column or hear the podcast. And it's not a report. This is the first I've heard of this. It's not a report. And I will say, regarding-

It's not a report, J-Mack. It's just an opinion. Regarding Robert Ory, he came on my podcast straightfire about three weeks before Darwin-Ham was hired and said, I'm telling you, Darvinham's the guy for the Lakers. And I was like, okay, sure. Everybody else was saying all these other names. He nailed it. Now, I don't know if he has inside info. I know he's worked at the network out here that does the Lakers. He does some studio stuff. Big Shot Bob is connected. That being said, Chris, I was just digging into this during the commercial break. I can't believe

I'm saying this, but I think the Lakers would have to consider it. Now, LeBron would hate them forever and you'd never want to be the team that trades away LeBron James, the greatest player in NBA basketball history. That being said, he's 38 in December. KD. 34. KD.'s younger. And more importantly, Kevin Durant is locked in for four more years. LeBron, we know, is going to go wherever he wants to in two years to play with his son, a la C.m. Griffey Jr. So if you want security and you're the Lakers and you know, hey, we got KD for four years? KD. and Anthony Davis? Hell yeah. I mean, listen, I love LeBron. I love Kevin Durant. I can't believe I'm saying this. Chris, think you've got to strongly consider it if you are the Los Angeles Lakers.

I'm just stopping short of saying you got to do the deal because it's LeBron Friggin' James. It's LeBron James. You don't just give away LeBron James. Well, you're not giving him away. That's the thing. You're getting Kevin Durant. You're getting Kevin Freak and Durant.

Now, obviously there's one more potential stumbling block. What's that? Russell Westbrook. Oh. I mean, it would only be four years. but would KD sign off on it? Because I'm going to be honest with you. Westbrook obviously has his issues.

But if there's a player that knows how to play off of him, it is Kevin Durant. And that was J-Mack. They didn't win the championship. But that was a very, very, very good team when they were together. And I know neither of them are as young as they used to be, of course. but the question is, would Katie sign off on that even for a year? But if you're the Lakers and you really want to do this deal,

and again, I don't think it happens. I think the Lakers, I just don't think they do that to LeBron. I also think even though they don't look like they're in position to win next year, they want to have him break Kareem's record in a Lakers jersey. But to Robert Ory's point, LeBron does not have a no-trade clause. And so that's where it becomes, I don't know, is that something they think about? Let me say this. As much as LeBron doesn't want to go, and I get it, I understand it,

he would have a better chance of winning another championship in Brooklyn. J-Mack. Brooklyn would be nice. The roster is built around the type of roster that LeBron James needs. You got shooters, Seth Curry, Joe Harris, Kyrie Irving. Ben Simmons? Ben Simmons can go down to the dunker spot. That's all I need from him. I don't need him to be out on the three point line. Okay, hold on. Timeout. Let's back up for it.

And then, Kyrie, Kyrie, let me just say, Kyrie, obviously is a wild card no matter who he's playing with. But I do think LeBron is built to get the best out of Kyrie. We've seen it. The only time Kyrie's really won, it's not guaranteed, because you never know with Kyrie. But the only time Kyrie has won at a big level was with LeBron. And here's the other thing, J. Mack, Kyrie is smart enough to know. Oh, please. No, he's smart enough to know.

And I've been told this by somebody that's talked to him, that he has got to be on his best behavior next year. If he wants to resurrect his image and get the bag, or at least have a shot at getting the back. It's not guaranteed. If he needs to have a shot at getting the bag next summer, then he has to not only play well, which we know he will when he plays,

but he has to show up. He has to not take hiatuses. He has to be on time. He has to have a good attitude. He has to be a good teammate. I think he can do that with LeBron James as the leader. And Chris, you seemingly have forgotten that in 2017 or 2018, whatever it was, Ty Lou was coaching the Cavs,

and he was telling Kyrie what to do. And Kyrie's like, it's LeBron's team, and he throws the ball at him and walks out of practice. But he's had a change of heart. Oh, really? Has he had a change of heart? He only has been as a knucklehead in Boston, and he was a knucklehead in Brooklyn, and he treated Steve Nash like garbage, and now he wants to go to the Lakers. No, none of those places.

He's going to grow up. A tiger doesn't change his stripes. This is who he is. Kyrie Irving is a crazy person who doesn't want to work well with anybody. He's the kid who in third grade gets the does not play well with others on his report card. That's who Kyrie Irving is. If he didn't play well with others, he wouldn't have a championship. All right, number one.

Number two, he's clearly had a change of heart because why is he even considering playing with LeBron again? And again, I understand he's still a wild card even with LeBron. I'm just saying you can't sit here and tell me definitively with all of the reasons he has to behave that he absolutely would not. Too many questions, Marks. Ben Simmons, Kyrie Irving, that's way too much. LeBron has a better chance at a ring. What's the question mark with Ben Simmons? His head?

I don't know. He has no chance at a ring in L.A. this year. Who? He has no chance in a ring in L.A. this year. LeBron? Why? Because they won it two years ago? And they can't do it again?

Oh, really? Was Russell Westbrook on the team? I just read a report that San Antonio can be the facilitator in taking Russell Westbrook's contract. Get back to me. Right now, they have no chance. No chance? No chance. Rob and Ryan, clip that off and put it up.

Chris Broussard said the Lakers have no chance. No chance. No chance. That is nonsense. Oh my God. No chance for LeBron. LeBron's going to be 38 years old in December, my man. Oh, my God.

He was at an all-NBA level this season. He got to carry him by himself? He was an all-N-Bayer this season. Stop it. Stop. There's a lot of all-N-B-A players. Not Donovan Mitchell. Oh!

I went there. That's all you got? Never been all-N-A in his career. Aren't you a Knicks fan? I am a Knicks fan. I like Mitchell. And you ripping down. of him.

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