The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Knicks in Trouble, Giants Getting Desperate

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

The Knicks should be down 0-2 in this seriesThe Giants might be going after Jaxson Dart , which is probably a big mistakeMavericks GM Nico Harrison keeps on making mistakes See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It feels like not much happened in the NFL draft. I think of the stories. I'm like, this is the same time we were talking about three weeks ago. Well, in the draft, yes. But, you know, sometimes you get caught up in the moment. You watch a game. Like, I'm watching the Clippers Nuggets last night. those teams, it's a coin flip series.

I mean, now those, who knows? I'm going to take Clippers in six or seven if the Nuckets won. But when you watch the Nix and the Pistons, you thought coming into it, well, the Nix's going to make pretty quick work of them. Detroit's young, one young star, you know, they got a couple of rotational old guys. They're not quite ready. The only reason the Nicks are not down, 2-0 in this series is campaign. That's it.

He had a big fourth quarter in game 1-11 of his, what, 14 points. This was a bad night for Kat, and it was a bad night for Tibbs. Cat, no field goal attempts in the fourth quarter. He didn't score in the third of the fourth quarter. And Tibbs, just like a defensive NFL head coach, no feel for offense. Clearly the Knicks, you watch that 21-0 run in game one, clearly the Knicks are better with pace and tempo when they're moving up the floor. But often they become very static and very stale offensively.

And we all like Jalen Brunson. But between the 18 dribbles and nine pump fakes, the rest of the Knicks are standing around watching them. And it's young Detroit, we perceive as less talented Detroit, that's playing with more tempo. It's sharing the ball. I mean, the Knicks gave up six first-round picks to get Carl Anthony Towns and McHale Bridges. And they combine in the second half for six points. They're standing around watching. So there's no tempo to the Knicks.

And we've said this about Mike Tomlin with Pittsburgh. At some point, you can keep changing coordinators and quarterbacks and centers. You don't have a feel for it. And the Knicks don't have a feel for offense. And we all like Jalen Brunson a lot. But this happened last year why they lost to the Pacers. Jalen Brunson led in usage race. and a little guy, ball in his hands constantly, dribbling, getting hit, to the line, fouled,

you just run out a guess. This is very much, and he's not as talented offensively as James Harden, but it's Luca a couple years ago getting exhausted in the playoffs. It's Hardin is always exhausted the later he goes to the playoffs. The late Kobe Bryant used to tell young players, you can't have the ball in your hands all the time. You know, you got to let somebody else run the offense occasionally. occasionally. So Brunson, this is not going to end well for this team. Hell, it may not end well now against Detroit. But you're not beating the Cavs roster, the Celtics roster, and let's be

totally honest, the Pacer's roster. If Jalen Brunson is the offense and everybody's standing around. So I think this is problematic. The only reason, they have been dominated in this game, this series, except for a 21-0 run and campaign was on fire in game one late in the game. otherwise, and I'm telling you, this feels so Pittsburgh Steelers to me, where it's like, I like the roster, I like a lot of the players, but it's like the same thing year after year. They can't figure out the offense, and it's so obvious. You can't have the number one usage rate guy in the league. That guy is going to get worn out.

This roster's already not as good as Cleveland and Boston. It's not as good as Oklahoma City, and I could argue it's not particularly close with all three. and they're probably eventually going to move cat, meaning they'll give up more of their good players and draft capital. So this just can't be a Jalen Brunson team. He's not that good. He's good, very good. He's not that.

He's not transformational. He's not carrying them the championship. And here's Jalen after. It's very tough when there's definitely one ball, and we have a lot of great players on this team. and definitely it's on my shoulders. I'm not going to point a fringe and say some people need to do that. And it's on me to make sure I set the table.

So I'll go back and I'll figure out what I need to do. We'll have conversations and we'll come back better for game three. Okay, well, the good news is he's a smart kid, Villanova, self-awareness, looking in the mirror, not pointing fingers. I mean, that's the good news and that's why he's so good in New York. because if you're a finger pointer, the New York media and the talk shows will eat you alive. So, you know, he always owns it.

You feel bad when you criticize him because he's such a smart guy and such a good guy, and he totally gets it. But some of this may just be coaching. Like, this is kind of Tibbs. Tibbs always hits that sort of ceiling where we're like, listen, I love defense too. But go watch the Nuggets and Clippers.

Kauai got buckets. Go watch game one. Yokic got the buckets. That's what the league. is, even in the playoffs. So I saw this story this morning. It's a wonky draft. There's a lot of stuff coming out. Giants considering trading up for a quarterback, Jackson Dart, later in the first round. So they would take somebody else the best player available like an Abdul-Carter, then later they'd pass on Shudor Sanders, and later they would come up and get Jackson Dart.

So this is one of the things, you know, the one advantage to age, if you're reasonably observant, is you see people make mistakes and you don't even have to make them. You can just avoid other people's mistakes because you've seen so many. And if you look in the NFL in any business, bad businesses tend to overcompensate for previous mistakes and reach. You know, it's like the Jets giving Aaron Rogers too much power because they missed on Zach Wilson or the Browns paying to Sean Watson the guaranteed contract or the Giants, you know, choosing Daniel Jones over, Aquan Barkley. It's just bad organizations overcompensating for previous bad decisions. So the idea the Giants now think Jackson Dart is the dude for the future in New York,

let me just ask you this. You ever notice that a lot of the quarterbacks that don't make it, you weren't paying a lot of attention to in college and they suddenly got really hot after they stopped playing college football? E.J. Manuel, Blake Bortles, Paxton Lynch, Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones. We never talked about them when they were playing in college. Suddenly, when they stopped playing, and they got a combine or films come out, everybody's like, oh, my God, this Daniel Jones. I watched Daniel Jones play.

I watched him play at Duke. Never thought he was a first-round quarterback. I didn't watch Paxton Lynch play in college. His games weren't on. Now, you could say, well, what about Josh Allen? I got a binder from Greg Kosell when John. Josh Allen was a junior in college at Lousy, Wyoming. He's like, this guy is a superstar in the making.

Patrick Mahomes, people were doing a year before Patrick Mahomes entered his last year of college, Brett Veach went to Andy Reed and said, watch this kid. So the smart teams in this league, you know, they knew who Patrick Mahomes was. Brett Veach was a year ahead of everybody else in his division. They were like, look at this tape. and Andy's like, okay, okay, okay, and he kept bringing tapes to Andy. So he was not somebody that just suddenly got hot. But I say this about Jackson Dart.

His last two years, with Lane Kiffin as a coach and Ole Miss has big-time players, they went and bought big-time players. The last couple years, Jackson Dart, in the SEC, I mean, had he beaten Kentucky, they probably get into the playoff. How did he do against Kentucky, 17 points? How did he go against Bama, Georgia, and Florida the last two years? And by the way, Florida stunk. and Alabama had its worst team since 2007.

How did he do against those teams the last two years with Lane Kiffin? More picks than touchdowns. 58% completion percentage. He won one game. And in that game, he had 13 completions. So it's like, you know, like even Tua, who I don't love, we were talking about Tua the year before he came out. Trevor Lawrence hasn't been as good as we thought.

We were talking about Trevor Lawrence when he was a freshman. Matt Stafford. You know, most of the guys that, that end up being stars in this league. We have an idea who they are as they enter their last year, and there's a lot of talk. I mean, Arch Manning is already being discussed

as the number one pick. He didn't start for Texas. So Mitch Trubisky was another guy. It's suddenly like, oh, Mitch Trubesky got better when he stopped playing. It's like, wait a minute. I watched him in Carolina. He's a front leg thrower.

How are you telling me he's a first-round pick? Can he picket's another guy? of his flaws disappeared once he stopped playing. So I'm not anti any of these guys, but I never once looked at Zach Wilson at BYU. I saw him play Utah twice in the Huskies. I never thought, first round quarterback. And then everybody's trying to convince me of it after the fact. So I do think Jackson Dart has talent.

I hope he does well. I root for young people. But this feels like, you know, giants would move up to get him. Boy, oh boy, is this overcompensate? Now, Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Scout 3 team. Now, this is a weak draft. So in a very weak draft, can you argue he's a late first rounder? I wouldn't.

Others would. Here's Daniel Jeremiah on the show yesterday. The way I would sell you on him, you know, in terms of the value there, it reminds me a lot of Hertz, you know, just when Hertz was coming out and that you follow the trend line with Hertz. Hertz got better every year. he was a strong, sturdy guy. He's a gym rat who's obsessed with being good, all the intangible stuff off the charts. The toughness is there. The intelligence is there.

So to me, I think you're just buying that that trend line just keeps on going. I could see Brian Dayball feeling like he's a little bit better fit for that environment that they're in there in terms of the weather you're going to be playing in, the wind, all those things. Now, remember, though, with Jalen Hertz, best offensive line in football, Devonte Smith, Dallas Goddard, AJ Brown, Sequin Barclay, best general manager in football. So that's different. Jalen Hertz goes to a aggressive, winning organization in a pretty bad division.

The Giants are the bad team in that division, and they're not near as good as Washington now or Philadelphia, and I'd argue Dallas probably has as good a roster. So I think those are two different situations, but the argument is he keeps getting better, he keeps getting better, and this is not a shot on the kid. And I'm sure if this kid saw the video, oh, this guy hates me.

I don't. This is more about the Giants. Because I've watched this my entire life. You know, the Jets did this. The Giants did this. Cleveland Browns did this. When bad organizations or poorly run organizations tend to reach and overcompensate for previous mistakes.

And again, it's a weak draft, so maybe this is the year. But I look at all these guys who suddenly get better when they stopped playing. And you could say, well, what about Lamar Jackson? Lamar Jackson was great in college. The question what Lamar was, because he ran so much in high school and college, will he be a good pocket quarterback in the NFL? It wasn't that he wasn't amazing as an athlete. It was, I mean, there were people saying, I don't think he's a quarterback. I thought he was a quarterback, but it was a different conversation. Don't make that the same

conversation. Lamar, everybody said he'll be the best athlete in the league. I mean, he's going to be an number. That wasn't the question. The question was stylistically. Jackson Dart to pocket quarterback, I just never watched him with Lane Kevin and all those players, because I watch Ole Miss football for the big games. I never watched them and went, wow, first round quarterback. But what do I know? I mean, you know, except I'm right a lot.

Other than that, there's an old saying, don't go grocery shopping when you're hungry. And the Giants are starving at quarterback. You know, I used to always have a thing when I would go to Vegas, and I don't go to Vegas much anymore, but when I would go to Vegas and I gambled, I always had one rule. and the staff always laughs at this, I would always gamble hungry. So the biggest time I would ever gamble was pre-dinner. It would be like 4.30 to 5.30, I would go down on the floor and play blackjack. Okay, why?

Because if I hit 8 or 9 out of 12 hands, I knew it wasn't going to, I couldn't sustain it, and I'd say, boom, 6.15, let's go to dinner. You'd never want to go gamble when you're full, because it's like you're tired. I'll just sit there. Well, over the course of 75 hands, you're not going to win 55 hands. But you can hit like six of your first 10 hands, walk away with 300 bucks, and go have dinner. Drinks on me. That's not bad.

So, by the way, you know, people will say, what about Patrick Mahomes? Patrick Mahomes as a sophomore threw for over 400 yards four times. So the smart people, you've heard Gruden tell stories about this, and Brett Feach, the smart guys in the league knew what he was. Like as a sophomore, everybody was like, his dad played Major League baseball. His final year of college, he threw for over 450 yards six times. So the question with him was, you know, that conference, the Big 12, does that offense carry to the – it wasn't that Mahomes didn't have talent. I watched him one time in college, and it was wild.

It was like Canadian football. It was like three-down football, just slinging it everywhere, no-run game. So there you go. Yeah, the Shador at three to the Giants. Joe Shane made such a mistake with the Daniel Jones. He has to make up for that or he's going to lose his job. And you can't tell me that he's thinking, I'll keep my job if we get Jackson Dart at quarterback.

Well, here's what happened. If you draft a quarterback and you're a shaky general manager, you'll get another year, right? You'll get another year as a GM because everybody's going to wait and see if it becomes magic and that would save you. Well, that applies to first round guys, right? Second round quarterback, probably not. That's right.

That's why I'm saying if you move up and pick a first round quarterback, it's a little bit of a life preserver for a year for a GM that's in trouble. Because it's like, well, he showed real promise in those preseason games, which, by the way, in the preseason now, nobody plays starters, and historically nobody blitzes. Right? So you draft a quarterback, late first round. He looks good against scout team guys in the exhibition season in August,

and everybody's like, hey, Joe Shane may have found the next mall homes. Zach Wilson looked good in preseason. You've got to slow down. You remember that? I do, yeah. Yeah, but that's, there's a little, and don't kid yourself, there are GMs in this league drafting to save their job.

Don't kid yourself. They're drafting guys who have injury reports but can play immediately, but may have a lower ceiling because they can get on the field over a guy who's not ready to play as a rookie, but has a much greater growth projectile. So be careful. One of the things that happened a couple days was yesterday of the day before, Nico Harrison. Oh, geez.

Oh, my Lord. So he is talking about that lucre trade. And it's really interesting because I've talked to somebody that I won't mention their name who doesn't hold Nico in a high opinion. But something I have learned throughout the course of life why you should never surround yourself with a yes man and why you should never be a loner.

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Like Elon Musk, you don't have to like him. He's not a loner. Now, he works all day. He's obsessive, but he's got a big circle of influence. This is why public companies have a board of directors. So if you're going to take chances, you have a lot of voices and a lot of opinions going into your big chances. So Nico Harrison said this regarding the Luca disaster trade.

I did know that Luca was important to the fan base. I didn't quite know it to what level. But really, the way we looked at it is, you know, if you're putting on the, if you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay, PJ, Anthony Davis, and lively, we feel that's a championship caliber team, and we would have been winning at a high level, and that would have quieted some of the outrage.

He keeps saying we. We, we, we. Mark Cuban didn't know about it, and Jason Kidd didn't get a heads up. Who's we? Some low-level intern scout? I mean, if Mark Cuban, pretty smart guy, I'd lean on him, didn't know.

Jason Kidd, pretty smart guy, he didn't know. There's a story this morning that Jason Kidd resented not being given a heads up. Like, you're either a loner, and that disqualifies you as being a GM. And this is one of the things that guys can struggle with. Women are more social than we are. They talk when they go to the bathroom, right? Guys don't.

That's why there's a, you know, seriously, there's a race for the cure. Women are there for each other during medical crises. There is no race for the prostate. Right? Guys don't talk about medical stuff. A guy can go golfing for six hours. You get home and your wife goes, what'd you talk about? And you're like, I don't know.

The depth chart? for the chargers whose quarterbacking the bears how are the kids doing why didn't ask him about his kids how are how are him and shelley doing well i don't i didn't ask him about his wife you go for six hours how did you not ask why i did we talked about the bears that's who we are as guys so it's very important

that guys make an effort to be social and when i watch this neco harrison thing my whole take is bro don't you have a circle of friends Well, it was very private. Guys, marriage, company, house, you always got a guy you bounce it off of. Because when that deal happened, the very first thing all of us did, you me and everybody, we went, that's fake.

That's not a real trade. You're going to tell me nobody in your social circle said, bro, one first round pick, Luca Donjich what come on bro you gotta get more than that so the whole thing when I hear this we we we well Jason Kidd didn't know

Mark Cuban didn't know by the way the media that covers the Mavericks there wasn't a sniff of it so we didn't tell many people I don't know who we is but this is something guys are not social animals but there are very few billionaires who are loners

or who are yes, man. You've got to be willing to just ask buddies, ask friends, ask your scouts. You've got to be willing for people to go, you're totally wrong on something. I can't believe that everybody, we, that he talked to, said, yeah, love the move. I can't believe that. That's not possible. Because every single one of us, and we're just media, you're either in the media or you're a fan. Nobody thought the deal was real. I mean, we're all like, why? What happened? So here's Charles Barkley talking about Nico's presser yesterday.

Man, don't do no more press conferences. Like, I don't even know what you're doing. I really don't. Like, I got sympathy and love for you, but I have zero idea what you're trying to do. This war is over, brother. You're taking the L. I hope you keep your job. I hope that team get healthy.

But, man, don't do any more interviews. Yeah, the more he talks, the worse it gets. And I just, I understand taking a risk. I mean, Nike has done things as a company, and you're like, that's a bad ad campaign. One of the things I say privately to my staff all the time when we, you know, we're talking about sometimes media or stuff, I always say, did somebody in the room not raise their hand and go, yeah, that show's not going to work. That higher is terrible. I can't believe

nobody in the Maverick Circle of Trust or Nico Circle of Trust didn't go, guys, this is idiotic. One first round pick in Anthony Davis, and I'm an AD fan. Like, you've got to get A.D. Austin Reeves in three to four first round picks to even sleep on it. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, a little more than 48 hours to the NFL draft. And according to a report, the Giants are kind of split on who to take. It seems like the front office and the coaching staff are not on the same page. Front Office supposedly wants a quarterback while it might be Shador Sanders. It seems like the head coach Brian Daible is not as keen on Shador. And that could be why the Giants are targeting Jackson Dart a little later.

I would hope this report is true, Colin. Because if you're 48 hours on the draft and your front office and their coach are split, that ain't great. Because that looks like it's finger pointing in the blame game. Nope. Let me just tell you, this is exactly what I've heard, that Dayball likes Jackson Dart and Joe Shane prefers Shador Sanders. This is not a well-kept secret. I was told that over the weekend from somebody in the league who has pretty good connections in the NFCE. So I trust my source on this.

This is, this is, and here's the thing about, about Shadoor Sanders. You got 50 games on tape. It is a little concerning. If I, let's say you own the New York Giants. I think Joe Shane is disqualified from making the decision. I would lean on dayball because Joe Shane, I watched HBO Max, allowed Sequin Barkley to leave. and gave an extension to Daniel Jones. So I think if I own the team, and this happens all the time,

I would not trust him. And by the way, there are very well-run organizations where the owner has a big say. It's kind of understood in the NFL. Steve Boshadhi with the Ravens has influence even on draft weekend. So it's not all owners aren't crazy. They're billionaires, generally pretty smart and make good decisions on average. I right now, I don't know if I own this team, I could trust the general manager, which is a bad spot to be in.

Yeah. If you go back to that Lamar Jackson move with the Ravens, like you were mentioning, they built an offense around his skill set, right? They may not love Lamar as a prospect, but hey, we can work with something here. And next thing you know, he's a two-time MVP. If Daibald sees Jackson Dart can do what I want him to do, he fits my system. I think you've got to go with what the coach says, right? But the GM knows my job's on the line because of the Daniel Jones contract.

Coach ain't giving out contracts. I am. And he gave out the Daniel Jones one. It kind of disqualifies him from making. Because remember, if you draft a quarterback in the first round, that's two years minimum. You have to commit to it. And if it's the wrong guy, like even, I mean, Kenny Pickett, a year and a half in, Mike Tomlin, who doesn't have great offensive feel,

was like, this isn't working. You could tell about eight games in, Kenny Pickett, probably wasn't working. I would just pull the trigger on Shador at 3 and let the chips fall where they, that's what I would. We watched a full season of this guy. He was a damn good quarterback. All season, September, October, November.

We're thinking he's the number one pick or top five pick for sure. And now nobody wants him? It just feels a little weird. Anyways, let's move on to Devante Adams, Colin. He's on his third team in the last four years. after signing with the Rams this offseason. In a recent interview, he discussed the dysfunction he's been around at his last two stops, joking that he'll find out

if he was the one making those organizations dysfunctional. He added that joining the Rams' true optimism instead of just true hope. And the most important thing was joining a good winning team. So he went from a Packers team where they were always contending for the Super Bowl, number one seed and everything, to 6 and 11 Raiders, 8 and 9 Raiders,

And then last year, Raiders and Jets were terrible. Yeah, the Rams do a pretty good job of this, of finding value. They've done this a few times. He actually started playing very well with Aaron Rogers down the stretch. It took a while to get going because they had some coaching movement. But I think this guy is still on any Sunday with, like, Matt Stafford, you will feel like, oh, he's still a one. There's not a doubt in my mind he can still play. He may not be a 125 catch guy.

Is he a 78 catch guy with seven? six touchdowns? Because Puka's drawing double coverage on the other side. And Tyler Higbee, the tight end, good running back. So it's not like you can just roll your coverage over him. He's going to be open a lot. And I thought they found some value with him. Good coach, great quarterback.

I think he's in great shape. The weak I hosted, we had a gambling guy on. And his pick for the Super Bowl, if you want to do an exacta, was Bill's Rams in the Super Bowl. You kind of seem like you could be on board with that. I've said before, I have the Rams getting to the NFC championship. I thought that was a little surprising, but they might be the best team. I don't know.

It's not the Lions anymore, right? Well, I think Philadelphia deserves the respect, but it's just, just never forget when Philadelphia was rolling over people, the Rams went into a snowstorm and had the ball to 15-yard line, and if they didn't have a six-round center against Jalen Carter and had protection, they probably win the game and go to the NFC championship where they would be favored over Jaden Daniels. I mean, that's, and by the way, if the Rams got to the Super Bowl, the Chiefs left tackle situation with Jared Verse, a match up very well with the Chiefs, who were down tackles. Yeah. Final story, Colin us to the NBA tonight, Lakers, hosting the Timberwolves

in game two, I'm sure you're going to be there, right? It's a big one. Must win for the Lakers. I don't know. Again, I missed the game being on travel, but I watched all the YouTube highlights and condensed version. It looked like a Lakers team that was kind of sort of, I don't know. Disengaged. Well, they were also like eight days off. The Timberwolves played in the play in. And JJ Reddick kind of talked about the mindset of the team heading into today's game two. We just have to do a lot of things better. It starts with playing harder. And this week, you know, we probably could have done a few more scrimmages, but we have our best practice.

We've had months. They played live for a very extended period of time. Got a good lather. Lakers are favored by what? I think five and a half right now. Yeah, I like actually, I like the Lakers tonight. I think you should. Then again, I liked the Knicks last night.

They have not looked good in the series, but again, they've won one quarter. Lakers should be fine. I think a lot of this was my take-ie. is a lot of this was eight days off. You know, in the NFL, even in football, we've found that buys are not a big advantage. People, even in football, where you're tackled, everybody's sore, the buy, the number one seed buy at home.

Remember when the Chiefs play the Texans? You're like, Texans are giving Kansas any issues. Yeah. So it's like, I think, eight days off in the NBA. And the typical was, they were 50% from, Three hit 21 threes. I mean, they were plus 18 on threes in a game that was like, you know, it should have been closer than that.

I like Lakers tonight. Now, do you want to get exotic in bed on the Grizzlies Thunder game? Do you think the Grizzly can bounce back? No. Not even first quarter. I think the Grizzlies are completely dysfunctional. Completely dysfunctional operation. Coach, is that the right coach?

Is that the right star point guard? I just, I think they're a dysfunctional franchise. And I think they're going to get in Oklahoma City's really, really good and deep. Well coached, smartly GM. Oklahoma cities don't play around them. It's a must-win for Reddick, though. He's got to show up here.

Your boy, Chris Finch, coached a really good game one. They just had to get one game in L.A. They got it. I think you're right. The problem for the Lakers is they're a bad road team all year. And Minnesota is a very solid road team. So now the Lakers are at a home court disadvantage, and they have not closed out games on the road.

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I would have been like, let's just blow this thing up, let's trade him away to somebody, and let's get somebody else at quarterback for the future and build this team again. That's what I would want to do. That's what I would do. He has a market. There's six teams every year to eight that are desperate at quarterback.

Okay. Don't confuse Lucky with foundational. Let's say you go to a garage sale. You buy a picture for $15, $20. 20 years later, Antiques Roadshow comes to your town, and you sell it for $20,000. That's lucky. Okay? That's lucky.

That doesn't make it a business. What do you do for a living? Oh, I just go to garage sales, and I pay $20 for paintings, and I sell them for $20,000. That's not a business. Just be grateful. If the Niners are so brilliant, then why did they pass on Brock, pretty six, seven times. The whole league did. They got lucky. And he fits the system, especially when they're all healthy. Smart kid recognizes defense quickly, not a big arm, but he kind of fits

the system. Doesn't have a big ego. He'll do what Kyle says. And this offense went healthy two years ago, three years ago when he came into the league was stacked. They were Super Bowl favorites every year. They were stacked. Let Pittsburgh make a mistake. Call them New York Giants. Somebody that, seven to eight teams every year are desperate. He's smaller than you'd like. Arm is okay. Already had two injuries to his throwing shoulder, or throwing elbow shoulder,

and he does not play particularly well in inclement weather because of hand size. Don't confuse him as a franchise 55, $58 million a year quarterback. I'm not saying he can't be a franchise quarterback. But Kyle Shanahan, go look at his record against winning teams. or when the weather's a little inclement. I've always said this. The difference between the haves and have-nots in this. Like, Gino Smith, with a run game and protection, can win you nine, ten games.

I'm not paying him $55 million. I like Sam Donald. I'd pay him $33 million. You're talking $55 million. Pooka Nakua said it last week. It's like, windows closed. Don't confuse finding a $20,000 painting in a garage sale is you're a brilliant. You're a brilliant.

you know, art hunter. Now, no, you got lucky. It was behind an old lamp. Nobody saw it. It was covered by like a bedspread. Nobody saw it. You needed to fill that third bedroom in your house with some painting that reminded you of your mom's paintings.

So to me, don't even compare him to Jalen Hertz, who is a second round quarterback. People say, well, I've heard this before. He's Jalen Hertz a little bit. No, he's not. Jalen Hertz squats 600 pounds. Jalen Hertz is an elite athlete. Jailen Hertz.

in the Super Bowl he lost, had four touchdown, 70% completion rate, and a passor, completion rating of 70% and 102 passer rating. In the Super Bowl, he lost. Brock Purdy in the Super Bowl, he lost, was bad. Go look the numbers up. Passer rating

in the 80s. One touchdown. Completion about 60%. They're not the same. Don't give me, Jalen Hertz was a better high school player, a better college player, he's a better NFL player. And that's just Jalen Hertz. But I hear that comp once in a while.

It's like, no, no, he's closer to Dak, who's as good as the talent around him. That's what it is. Oh, the other thing I was thinking about, so I watched The Clippers Nuggets is a great series. These two teams are so even. In the first game, it came down to Yokic hitting the big buckets late. Last night it came down to Kauai Leonard,

hitting the big buckets late. And I was sitting watching Kauai Leonard. he is the strangest great player of all time nonverbal doesn't want to lead no social media even his shoe was weird his laugh is odd but years ago I said this when he was actually playing

more games this year he played 37 games and that's with restrictions on minutes and I said this five or six years ago I said in terms of get a bucket get a stop he's very much Michael Jordan that everybody compares LeBron and Michael Jordan LeBron is much more Magic Johnson much more Magic Johnson, elevates others.

Kobe Bryant had Michael Jordan. So does Kauai Leonard. Kauai Leonard, hand size, Jordan. Mid-range game, Jordan. Strength, Jordan. Now, Kauai doesn't have his durability or his personality. But if you took Kauai and Kobe Bryant, that's Michael. Michael and Kobe athletically with the same cat.

and both had a flare for the dramatic and a personality kawai is not durable cobi was m j was cobi had a personality m j had a personality but the one thing kawai has that kobe didn't is the hand size allows kawai to do things offensively

push off with one hand use the other that even kobie couldn't do so i'm watching him last night and again he just doesn't plan enough. He's a very odd, all-time player. But he is unstoppable when he's healthy. And I said this after they lost game one, I'll still take the Clippers. They're a much better defensive team. They've got a better coach. Tailu will win one game. These games are in Denver. They could have won both. Yokic got real sloppy in this game. I think he had seven or eight turnovers. But James Hardin's thoughts on Kauai.

His career, the stop and start nature, all the things he's gone through, do you think, and he keeps coming back, do you think he gets the appreciation from people for what he's endured and coming back from? No, not even a little bit. It's always negative. It's always, you know, what he's been through and, you know, what he's not able to do just because of something that he can't control. but we don't appreciate how great he is when he's actually out there and putting on performances like this tonight. Yeah, I disagree. I think everybody does appreciate him. I think everybody in the league knows how great he is. Everybody's just frustrated that he's never available.

I've never talked to a single scout in the NBA, a single person I respect that isn't in awe of his talent. Now, he wasn't as good as MJ early, right? McDonald's All-American. He had to really grind on his game, and he does have like a degenerative knee problem. But that was his fourth playoff game with 30 plus points shooting 70% or better. There is a lot of MJ.

And I'll say it again, if you took Kobe and Kauai, that's MJ. If you never saw MJ play. The hand size, the mid-range game. I mean, Denver's got all sorts of athleticism and size. Michael Porter, Gordon. They just kept throwing guys at him. He's like, nope. And he doesn't use pick and rolls.

He doesn't need pick and roll. Jordan, you're not going to find a lot of Jordan pick-and-roll highlights. Michael didn't need it. And Kauai doesn't need it. He's like, Gordon, come out and guard me. It doesn't matter. You can send anybody at him. It just doesn't matter.

And he is truly an all-time great talent, but there's never been anybody like him where he's nonverbal and he's just not available. I disagree with James Hardin that people don't respect him. I think people in the league fear him and are in awe of him. But it would be like, let's say you love Lamar Jackson, but he only played eight. games a year. You would respect him, but you're like it's too bad Lamar Jackson's just not available. The reason we love Lamar among his brilliance is that dude takes hits. That dude is

ready to play. So it's just, it's not that he's not respected or criticized. Do when you're playing 37 games and you're on a restriction minutes, what do you want us to say about him? Yeah, that's why I have no read on this series at all. I don't know how much he's going to play. Like game one, he did not look great, right? Game two bounces back. Phenomenal. He's one of these all-time man. If that guy were healthy, imagine if he had LeBron's health his entire career, Gawai Leonard.

Like, we're looking at one of the top 20 players in the history of the sport. The other reason I love him, and I think he's really good in the playoffs, is that everybody talks about analytics. And I understand shooting three-pointers over the course of a regular season, volume. But playoff basketball, you have watched it in the last two, in the first two games of this series, Nuggets Clippers.

sometimes you just need a basket. You don't care about the math. We need to take a lead or tie the game. And that's where Kauai is great. He can make the stop or he can get the bucket. And we're never going to think of Kauai as Mr. Analytics. But, by the way, Westbrook has hit big threes in this series. Like several big threes.

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