The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Lakers, Packers, Carroll-Wilson

Episode Date: November 10, 2022

The Lakers have little hope for the future despite having LeBron James and Anthony Davis There is a rumor that Aaron Rodgers is causing tension in the Packers locker room Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson appear to be petty after their divorce   Guest: Ryen RussilloSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Lakers 0 and 9 against the team they share a building with in their last nine meetings, the L.A. Clippers. Is that bad? Oh, and 9? Tough start to the season for the Lakers. It is. It's early. It's not over, but it's early.

Yeah, it's over. So here's how bad it was for the Lakers. LeBron played really well. Anthony Davis played really well. Russell Westbrook played really well. And they still got housed against the Clipper team that didn't have their best player. Kauai Leonard. They were down 17 were the Lakers in the first quarter.

And all their stars, their Hall of Famers, they all played well. Of all the big brands in America right now, the Yankees, Notre Dame football, Duke basketball, Celtics, Green Bay Packers, 49ers. You know, whatever the big brands are in America, none is as hopeless today and has a bleaker future than your Los Angeles Lakers. They're not good now. The future is bleak. I mean, they have no draft capital coming up in the next few years. They don't have any young ascending stars.

They don't have a front office with a history of clever trades. and they don't have any cap space and an ownership group that doesn't want to pay a penalty on that stuff. So the Lakers did with LeBron James what Cleveland did and what Miami did. Cleveland actually did it twice. They gave the franchise to LeBron.

And if you give the franchise to LeBron, here's what happens. He does not like playing with young players. So you have to get rid of your young players. First thing he did when he got to L.A. All the young guys, get him out of here. He pretended like he liked Kyle Kuzma. he faked like he liked Lanzo ball.

He got him out of here. So your roster gets much older. Remember in Miami? It was like Mike Miller and Shane Battier and Ray Allen and as Haslam. It gets old fast. So that's what LeBron does. I don't want to play with young guys.

So you got to get rid of your young guys. I know, I know you were developing them in Cleveland and developing them in Los Angeles and developing them in Miami. But you got to get rid of them. And LeBron doesn't care about draft picks. So you kind of, you get rid of those. trade whatever you've got to do to get veteran players. And it's all good when LeBron was in his prime.

But now he's out of it, hurt a lot, not available a lot. Oh, yeah, has a rookie head coach. Eric Spolster is not around. Ty Lou's not around. Got a rookie head coach. Could be good. Well, I have no idea. I have no idea if Darvindam's good.

Seems like a good guy. But this is what Miami did. And it took Miami and that's with Pat Riley, with a great owner, with a great coach. It took them four to five years. to rebuild the draft capital, get emerging, ascending young players, become a consistent playoff team. And that's with Spolstra, Riley, and a great owner and a great culture. Lakers right now don't have any of that, any of it.

Do Laker fans understand this? You are staring down the barrel at a decade of irrelevance. And you've mostly been irrelevant for eight to nine years before LeBron. Does everybody get how urgent this is? So you got two tradable stars. I mean, like you could get something for them. Anthony Davis and LeBron. The reluctance to move Anthony Davis, it is beyond me.

I don't get it. I've been on this for two years. Move him. You think he's going to get through the season without an injury? Really? Move him soon as you can. But I also think, and they don't have the courage to do it, you've got to consider what are you going to do with LeBron?

I mean, they're not going to trade him before he breaks career. team's all-time scoring record. That'll probably be in January. Trading deadlines in February. You have to consider it, don't you? You're not winning win him. You don't want to play with young players. Is it going to get older? I mean, the Lakers don't have any versatile athletic wing defenders. They don't have any shooters. I mean, you're not close. Big brands have always had a huge advantage in American sports. I mean, OBJ. What a shock. He's leaning to the cowboys. It helps. Especially young athletes. They want to. They want to get marketing money and social media money.

You don't want to go to the Detroit Lions. You want to go to big brands. I want to go to big cities. OBJ wanted to come to L.A. OBJ was in New York. OBJ wants to go to Dallas. I mean, Buffalo's got the better team. He probably ends up in Dallas, the star, Jerry Jones, the marketing.

So you should as a big brand, Michigan football. You can pay for Jim Harbaugh. It's attractive to Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh had been in the Super Bowl. Jim Harbaugh has not taken the business. the job at Tulane, Cincinnati. When you're a big bet, Lincoln Riley, USC's four and eight. They get Lincoln Riley.

If Arizona football is four and eight, would they get Lincoln Riley? No, you have a huge advantage being a big brand, especially with athletes and oftentimes with coaches. Because once it gets rolling, I mean, LSU got Brian Kelly an hour later, they're really good. Takes you a little longer to grow central Michigan, right? And so you're staring down the barrel here of problems. I mean, to me, the solution is you've got two tradable pieces. I'd move one now.

I'd consider another one later. I mean, don't you have to? LeBron's in year 20. You can't talk about it? Can't make a phone call? You're not going to move it before the Kareem record's broken. But do people understand what you're looking at here? This is bleak.

nine straight losses to the clippers Kauai's not planning most of them and we think the clippers are underachieving the Lakers are now easily the second best team in their own building LeBron after the game asked about the rough start

the team is just in a tough spot right now being two and nine so Capon obvious yeah Kappanovis for sure right so it's a preemble to the question so what how do you

manage the idea of Darwin telling you he told us that take care of your body versus the urgency that you feel being a leader of a team that need to get some wins. I mean, to be productive for your teammates, you have to take care of your body. You know, that don't mean

extract yourself from the game of basketball. You can always be thinking about what you could do better. When watching the game tomorrow, you're going to get the film from the coach's staff. You can ask for the film any way to always keep your mind engaged. I'm not anti-Lakers. I'm really not. I'm anti-a-franchised. doesn't appear to have a plan.

What are we doing here? It's not working. It's getting worse. Not even close to as good as the other team you share are building with. All right. So this story was kind of predictable. We told you when Aaron came out and criticized those receivers, criticize teammates and coworkers with discretion.

Okay? Be very judicious with it. ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, very good reporter. wrote in his latest insider column, Rogers has created tension in the locker room by painting the Packers young wide receivers as scapegoats for the team's problems. Fowler noted that it is not sitting very well with some and that Rogers was absent from much of the offseason yet seems unhappy with the development of his young teammates. So as always, this story got out because people wanted it out.

in that locker room. Be careful criticizing teammates publicly. Aaron Rogers also had another story yesterday that came out. I didn't see it until this morning. He said, quote, I don't give a blank. He swore that any of these experts on TV, what their opinions are. Okay, great. Then why do you keep talking about it?

It is interesting, though. Aaron's going to turn 39 here pretty quick. The end is in sight. And careers I have found they end how you think. they're going to end. Tom Brady's is ending how you thought it would end. You can't pull him from a football field. He's still in the foxhole, fighting like mad, barking at teammates, wants to win over everything else. Of course, that's how Brady's career is going to end. Jay Cutler couldn't get along with anybody. Exactly. He couldn't get along with anybody in his prime. Big Ben fell off a cliff

physically. Of course he did, because he wasn't committed when he was in his prime. Even wide receivers, T.O. at the end, is bouncing around. Nobody really wanted him. Yet Larry Fitzgerald at the end. Class, dignity, elegance, and still pretty productive. Left on his terms. Of course, Aaron is struggling at the end. Teammates upset with him, prickly about the media, getting defensive. I don't care what they say about me. Of course, this is how it's going to end. Now, I'm not talking the end is. like a year away, but it's close. And what happens is when that aging quarterback decides I'm going to take the most money available, then he plays with a less talented roster and a less flexible team. And all those flaws get exposed and become more flammable. He's always been prickly. Now he's losing.

He's more prickly. He's always been a little defensive. Now he's losing. He's more defensive. How many times this year is he going to say he doesn't care about what anybody says? Then stop saying it. Stop paying attention to it. Rocky finger pointing.

It is remarkable how often careers end exactly how you think they would end. And it's close. And you know it's close. How do I know it's close? Because Aaron said he's not playing well into his 40s. He said it, not me. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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taking the Highroll. It, you know, it's been a simmering. Clearly, this was a simmering, heated relationship for multiple years. The rumors, the reporting was on point and true. There was no fake news here. Russell didn't think he was

getting enough credit. Pete didn't think he was getting enough credit. And now they're taking shots at each other. Now they're fighting over a wristband. Here's Pete Carroll first. If you notice, Gino's going off the wristband, you know, that's a big help. It's smooth

things out, sped things up, clean things up, and that's part of it too. And we never did that before. There was resistance to that, so we didn't do that before. Russell Wilson then was asked about Pete Carroll's comment

and had this to say. I don't know exactly what he said, but I think, you know, won a lot of games there without one on the wrist I didn't know winning or losing mattered if you wore a wristband or not. But I think that, you know, do whatever it takes to make sure that we're rolling and moving and everything else. A few times I've definitely won wristband depending on the game plan and what we have called

and all that stuff. Listen, like most things, both are true. Pete probably didn't feel that Russell Wilson appreciated Marshawn Lynch and Pete's amazing defense. It's probably true. And Russell thought, dude, you were fired two times before you got to Seattle. You got a losing record in Seattle until I got here. I was the catalyst, not your great defense. If it was so great, why didn't win before I was here?

And Russell was right. But it's interesting. Brady initially won the divorce. But don't you think this morning, privately, he probably misses the coaching and the expertise of Belichick. I mean, Pete Carroll initially won this divorce. He has won it through nine weeks. But we all kind of have a feeling, don't we, that Gino Smith will lose in the playoffs, get outplayed,

will hit his ceiling, probably regress a little. Seattle will draft a quarterback and maybe reach in their draft and will probably miss because we may not have a great quarterback in this draft. There's clearly no Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, I don't believe. There's no Andrew Luck for sure. And four out of five teams that drafted quarterback in the first round don't get a great quarterback. So it's likely statistically, historically, that Seattle misses. And then Pete in a couple years is going to be sitting there losing and thinking in the playoffs,

man, I can use a playmaker at quarterback. Like Russ. So, and I think Russell Wilson today is now realizing there's a lot of, there's a lot of bad coaches in this league. Pete's one of the few great ones. So there's two things to take from this, in my opinion. Number one is, neither side generally wins a divorce forever. Both will have successes and failures.

And the second thing is, you really got to appreciate in sports when you are great. hopefully Pete and Russell enjoyed every win and every second of their greatness. It closes and shuts down very quickly in pro football. Pete's winning the divorce now. Brady won the divorce initially. You don't win it forever. Pete at some point, it's going to meet a little bit of a wall with Gino Smith and the NFC, don't you think?

Maybe it's possible. Maybe he'll lose to Philadelphia, watch Jalen Hertz making plays with his feet. You know, maybe he loses to somebody else in football. Maybe they get to the Super Bowl and he loses to Josh Allen-Macon plays and Patrick Mahomes, the playmaker, or Joe Burrow. And he thinks, man, I wish I had that talent. And he did. Russell Wilson was unbelievable for an eight-year stretch.

I don't think he's washed. Maybe he's not as good as he was. But I think Pete eventually is going to have to draft a quarterback to replace Gino. And don't forget, about one great quarterback. per draft. And Seattle now is not going to have a top 15 pick. Seattle, Seattle won in too many games. And my guess is Seattle, with those first couple of picks, they're going to pick guys that can play and start, maybe a center, maybe a receiver, maybe an outside linebacker. And they're going to have to go get a quarterback in the second or third round that's not as talented. But it could hit.

But you don't want to pound the table when you're on top for too long. It turned on Tom Brady real fast. He's holding on for Dear Life in Tampa. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. You know what I thought of with the Pete Carroll, Russell Wilson stuff, was remember Michael Jordan in, what was that documentary? Was it last summer, two summers ago?

Yes. He said it's easy for people to talk trash when they're winning. The real winners talk trash when you're behind. Yeah. Pete Carroll had a couple good games and now he's throwing shots at Russell Wilson? I hope karma kicks him in the butt. That's not right, Colin. They spent like eight or nine years together,

they had a great run, and now you win a couple games with Gino Smith and you're running your mouth? Well, don't you think, though, eventually, and I think the Gino's story is amazing, but it will hit a wall. Yeah. You're going to event.

I think. I think Carol's doing a little bit of a victory lap, a little early here. That's what I think. Oh, I can't wait for it to collapse. Sorry, Seattle fans. All right, let's move on. Tua is having the best quarterback performance

of the season. And, you know, he's up there in quarterback rating. I mean, he leads in passer rating yards per attempt. Listen, Tua's having a great season, no doubt about it. Flourishing in this Dolphins offense. Mike McDaniel, he's not surprised at all, Colin. Anything that's happening with him isn't a surprise to me. It would have been a surprise if it hadn't, you know,

just because the day-and-day out work that I'm witnessing and the work that his teammates do and how his rapport is with them and all of that. So it, but you also, it doesn't surprise me how he's handled having some success because literally it's, it has no distinction from when we first started working. So dolphins go from a defensive coach in Flores to an offensive coach at McDaniel, and they add Tyree Kill. It's a decent recipe for success, huh?

And a great left tackle. So he has now. Toron Armstead, yes. Yes, a top five left tackle. Go ask the Niners what Trent Williams did to that offensive line. Yeah. And listen, I got Miami Dolphins fans living in my mentions. I barely reply to these guys.

But the reality is, Colin, let's see Tua outdoors in cold weather in December. Okay, he's been great. That's undeniable. What do you think is going to happen this December? That schedule is brutal. There's going to be reality check. Those same Dolphins fans better coming. Oh, you know, maybe Tua is not the best quarterback in the NFL.

Well, I mean, we did pick on this show Miami to make the playoffs. and we did it because I've had 10 rants where I said they're pivoting to the right side of the ball. And it's going to be hard for a very accurate too. That's what he is to not succeed. So it's not, this is not there. Miami is exactly where we thought they would be. Gunning and aiming and probably a playoff team from a wild card space. That's exactly what we predicted on the show.

Dolphin fans now are falling for and we predicted this. Oh, it's Tua. Tyreek Hill right now is arguably the MVP of the league. He's literally changed the franchise. Tua was here for two years before Tiree. Yeah. They're just angry that we were all hyping Justin Herbert for two years. And they're like, oh, no, Tua's better.

Look at this small game sample size. Like, get over yourselves, guys. All right. Let's move on. Indianapolis Colts. Wow, Colin. I know you saw this. So the Jeff Saturday announcement was a stunner.

Here's the press conference, right? and Frank Reich is gone. One of the main criticisms is that Saturday did not have coaching experience, but Colin, this is one of the great interim coaching rants I can remember. Okay, let's hear it. I'm completely comfortable in who I am as a man, bro. I know I can lead men. I know I know the game of football and I'm passionate about it.

I have no fear about are you as qualified as somebody else? I spent 14 years in a locker room. I went to playoffs 12 times. I got five dudes in the hall of. fame that I play with it. You don't think I've seen greatness. You don't think I've seen how people prepare, how they coach, how they GM, how they work. I mean, one Super Bowl's been to two. Like, here's the deal, man. None of us are promised a good job. I may be terrible at this. And after eight games, I'll say, God bless you. I am no good. I may be really good at it.

I got no idea, but I dang sure ain't going back down. Yes. That is, that's good. That's why everybody at ESPN loves Jeff Saturday. Yeah. I remember years ago, uh, uh, this company asked me about a few people. Anybody over there that you'd pull over and Saturday was one of the guys. I said, great for team culture, hard worker, great sense of humor, super smart guy. He was on a short list of guys. I said, that's a guy you should pull over. Everybody likes Jeff Saturday. He is really a wonderful guy. Yeah, all these people that are upset, I get it. There's other deserving coaches on the staff, but we've talked about it. It's not always what you know. Sometimes it's who you know. And Albert Breer came on here and was like, listen, Jim Ursay had that ring of honor thing where they

celebrated guys, and Jeff Saturday had three minutes with Ursa and won him over. Apparently, he had some incredible speech. Everybody has a good elevator pitch, right? You're ready for that moment when you, Colin Cowarders. But I think Ursay talked Jeff into it. I don't think Jeff was lobbying for the job. Well, he might not have been lobbying, but he was so impressive in just speaking. You know, sometimes you can just win somebody over and they love you all of a sudden.

And Jim Ursay's like, oh, let's get right out of here. Let's bring in Saturday. I'll say. Let's say it doesn't work. Well, then the Colts finished with a top. 10 pick. They need a quarterback. It's not the worst thing in the world. I mean, am I surprised by it? Do I think, you know, Jeff Saturday against Mike Vrable on Sunday, you know, that would be a fair fight right now? No. But listen, this season's over for the Colts. It feels like it's in disarray.

I don't like the owner having too much power and leverage in this space. But I had I had dinner last night with a Super Bowl winning coach. Okay. And there is a lot of dysfunction in this league. And I don't even think the fans and the media have any idea. There is dysfunction in at least 30% of the buildings in this league. So 10 or 11 teams? Yeah.

Or more. There's dysfunction somewhere. The ownership group, the front office, the coaching staff. It is rampant. because you're getting more and more young offensive coaches. Many are not ready to be head coaches. They're learning on the job. You've got stars.

They don't quite know how to galvanize everybody. So it's, this is a... Listen, building a team is not easy. You've got to have how many minds in the room collaborating and working together toward a goal? And Indianapolis increasingly has some chaos. And they also, they're running through quarterbacks. Now they're running through coaches.

Well, listen, if Andrew Luck doesn't retire, they're probably fine, right? But then Andrew Luck retires surprises everybody, and they've had five different starting quarterbacks in week one in the last five years. Tough to overcome that, Colin. It is. All right, final story is Sean McVeigh announced yesterday in a bit of a stunner that Matt Stafford was in concussion protocol. Yeah, I saw that.

There is no video from the game Sunday where he was concussed or anything. You know, the medical team staff's evaluation on Tuesday revealed something. McVeigh said they're taking it one day at a time to see if he'll be cleared to play Sunday against Arizona. John Wolford is the backup quarterback. Now, you remember he won a playoff game against Seattle. K-man ran around a few times, a heavy run game. Can I be cynical? Colin, there's a lot of speculation that this is covering up Stafford's elbow injury.

It's covering up elbow injury. Stafford's getting hit a lot. And in the end, I think this is Sean McVeigh protecting his guy. I'll just say that. I think it's Sean protecting his guy. I think Sean and Matt Stafford are very, very close, and he's going to shut it down for Stafford for a while. Yeah, so if he does that,

Arizona Cardinals get the win and bounce back into the wild card mix. Rims are done, right? They're going to miss the playoffs. Super Bowl Hangover, all that fun stuff. Well, it feels like Seattle. It does feel like now the Rams have some unsolvable problems. On the offensive line, you mean? And wide receiver. I mean, 2-2-out well's a bust.

Robbins Allen Robinson, acquiring him, hasn't worked. Where's Van Jefferson? Did he ever come back? He had a bad drop last weekend. It was a great throw. He had a bad. Van's a three.

What I've been told is he kind of lacks confidence. Then he was out. He's never been, you know, a lot of this game is confidence for wide receivers and corners. He struggles with that sometimes. You should come get Elijah Moore from the Jets. Can you talk to them? Jets could use some extra draft picks. Build up that great roster.

Jets, baby. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. So I've got to give the Dallas Cowboys credit, which I rarely do on this show. Ezekiel Elliott came out and said, we want OBJ. Jerry Jones said, we want OBJ.

Micah Parsons says, help us get to the Super Bowl. OBJ can pick the team he wants to go to. And the Cowboys are smart. They're giving him what he really likes, love and attention. And if you're Dallas, why not? This is the best defense you've had in a decade, probably as good a roster as you've had in several years. The NFC's never been weaker. I've been knocking Green Bay forever.

Green Bay tends to think good is good enough and no, it's not to win Super Bowls. And so Philadelphia has added pieces and Minnesota has added a great piece. The Niners added McCaffrey, Kansas City and Buffalo are adding pieces. Is Dallas in that class? They probably think they are. OBJ fills a need. They need more juice on the outside. And the other thing is, and Jerry Jones is now, I think he's 80 years old, 79, 80 years old.

This stuff unravels fast. I mean, the Rams are now in disarray. Best team in the league. In disarray last year. Right, right? Last year, end of the year, best team. I thought they'd repeat. I was like, where are their weaknesses?

Disarray. Tom Brady and the Bucks, just the depleted, injury-riddled, at times poorly managed mess. Also, another reason to go for it. Jalen Hertz is not going to get worse. Right? Like Jalen Hertz is still in the ascending, ascending space. A year and a half, he may be entering prime space. New York Giants. I mean, they're way better than we thought.

What if they move off Daniel Jones and go get a competent playoff quarterback, Jimmy Garoppolo? Or better. They make a move on it. You think I'm crazy? Look at the quarterbacks that have moved around this league in the last three or four years. So, I mean, we live. like everything about the Rams. We like the owner, the GM, the coach, the quarterback, the star defensive linemen. They're in disarray. This stuff doesn't, it unravels very fast in this league.

So I love what Dallas is doing. I'd be a hypocrite. I criticize Green Bay all the time. Green Bay is good. They think that's good enough. Man, you look at that trading deadline. Who went and got pieces? In the offseason, you know, Buffalo gets Vaughn Miller. And then they're like, you know what, we need another running back that can catch. They go get one of those, all right? And in Philadelphia adds a pass rusher. San Francisco adds. another back to Kyle Shanahan's offense. Minnesota adds an unbelievable tight end which draws

double teams away from Justin Jefferson. So everybody's adding some juice. I think OBJ to Dallas is a perfect fit. This was Jerry Jones earlier in the week. O'Dell is someone that we have all the appreciation in the world for what

he is as a competitor. I know that the Cowboy star on that Helman when he puts it on could look pretty good. Mike is saying go get him. Zeke this week said go get him. Makes sense. Is Dallas in that Super Bowl bubble with the top teams?

I think they're close. I think their defense is really good. I think they hammer Green Bay this weekend, although taking points usually works in the NFL. But now we find out Green Bay's locker room. Guys are not happy with Aaron. That thing could unravel really, really fast. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the look back at it, podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but yeah, yeah, literally.

But just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tomorrow, we celebrate all our nation's heroes for the Heard Veterans Day special. We have an amazing show plan featuring shoutouts from troops all over the world. celebrate with us all day here on FS1. So I led the show saying, I'd move AD, but do you have to eventually consider moving LeBron James? Now, they're not going to move him before he breaks Karim's all-time scoring record.

And because of the extension he signed, I've just been informed, you can trade him after the playoffs. But I do think it's interesting. Do you kind of recalibrate as a franchise? And do you say to yourself, it's not working with him? I think you have to consider everything. Ryan Rucillo, the Ringer, the Ryan Rissillo, podcast joining us. Maybe I'm too harsh. I don't see a lot of draft capital. I don't see ascending stars.

Even the teams that aren't great, I watch like Cleveland, I'm like, oh my God, what a future. Utah. I'm like, man, young players, a lot of draft picks. Big brands, as you know, have an advantage. I think it's bleak. I think it's bleak now. I think it's bleak in the future. Do you see glimmers of hope? No, I mean, you're right. It is very bleak. You know, we were talking a little bit in the pre-show about like all these big big marketable franchises. It's like the Colin fund, right? If this were a hedge fund, I would be like, man, your fund's taking a beating because, you know, all these marquee things. So look, they're going to miss the playoffs to the eighth time in probably 10 seasons, unless something really unheard of would have happened this year.

I don't blame, you know, them going all in on Anthony Davis, even though that trade and the price that you look at retroactive, he's like, man, that was a lot of stuff to give up for him. He won a title. And Anthony Davis still at 29 years old, like despite his injury, history when he played looked like a top 10 guy with a chance to be a top five guy. And it's just, it's gotten worse and worse, even though some of the raw numbers are pretty good. So I understand what they did on those fronts. The Westbrook thing, everyone's to blame, whether it's LeBron, whether it's Palenko,

whether it's part of ownership, because I don't know that they were 100% on it, because now he's a $40 million plus guy that's basically a role player coming off the bench, which is the best role for him that they're finally doing it that way and suppose what they're trying to do before. But, I mean, this is kind of just what happens. Like, you don't have it, just because you're the Lakers, you don't have the right. to always be good and always be competitive. And the window's a lot smaller and the future is a lot worse because Davis is looking

like a terrible bet as he ages out here, which I'm one of the biggest Davis supporters, Colin. I understood some of the flaws, but this is like the worst case scenario of him. And he was supposed to help carry LeBron into this later phase of his career, and that's not happening. Yeah. So let's shift to the NFL. So J-Mack had said this. You know, Pete's already, you know, taking shots at Russell Wilson. And it's like, could you pretend?

You know, could you be at least Belichick, although he may have been simmering with Tom sometimes. You know, it's kind of above it all. What do you make of that? Like Pete Carroll publicly, like this is the third shot at Russell. What do you make of it? First of all, I love it, okay? I love it because, look, you want to talk about stock?

Like, I was very early on every time I would hear Russell Wilson talk. I'm like, what is going on? Like, why it's going, like, what, this is, like, it was the rule of three. like he would say three things and then he would sort of laugh at you and be like, do you even know how you're finishing your sentences? Like, this is crazy. And yet he was winning all the time. And he's an awesome quarterback.

I always defended him as a quarterback. But what you're realizing now is that when you were in the building with them all the time, we saw him. When you were in the building with him every day, it was probably tough to deal with. Okay. Yeah. But you could accept it because he was such a special quarterback. Just this season, we're not even halfway through the season.

Carol's mentioned something for like, as you said, the third time, the wristband thing. Tyler Lockett after they won a game was like it's kind of great when no one cares about the credit. You had a podcast with your guy, Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch, joking that they wanted to reach out to him, but they couldn't get in touch them because they had to go through a manager. We had Tucker, the kicker from Baltimore, making fun of Russell Wilson on a plane. Like a kicker was making fun of this guy. So I think this is a collection of that it got really tough to deal with. And Russell Wilson, the same as like Aaron Rogers, when they complain about their their plight i'm like man you you need to be on a worst team for me to have more

sympathy for you and the seahawks still were winning games and because it wasn't all about russell wilson it wasn't all about the growth that he had for himself you know look it's cool to be driven man and russell wilson's an incredibly driven guy's incredibly successful he's you know i don't know what's going to happen i can't believe he's going to continue to be this bad as he's been in denver calling but like his movement out of there was about making it more about himself yeah and If you're his coach and you're his teammate, you're like, you know, for the most part, this all kind of work. But because you're not winning MVP's or you're not chasing Brady, like we're the problem. So I have no issue with it because I think it's very honest and it's probably a very reserved version of what this relationship was really like with somebody that was thinking about himself more than he was thinking about the team.

Yeah, that's a great point. We've had four different, you're right. We've had four different comments all on different aspects. and generally speaking, it's hard to criticize somebody publicly. So when people are willing to come out publicly and drag Russell a little, there is truth to it. Now, I said something yesterday, and I don't remember all of it, but I said... Already?

Already. I mean, we're a day out. I don't remember it. But I said it is weird. It's 15 hours a week, you know? It's a lot. I'm very busy. Right.

So Dodgers this year. Best regular season team ever, first round out. there was a Tampa Bay Lightning team if I watched hockey. Best team ever. Swept first round. Ravens 14 and 2 caught fire. Couldn't win a playoff game. Phoenix Suns last year.

The regular seasons, not the playoffs. It's not. I mean, Peyton Manning says there's three seasons. Regular season, divisional games and playoffs. He's like, it's totally different. And I look at Philadelphia and I'm like, they're not really playing from behind. There's not a lot of close games.

That's what the playoffs. are like I love what I'm seeing, but it, it, if it unraveled in the first round, would you be shocked? No, it seems entirely unfair to say that, though, but I'm with you. And I think it's the same as whenever you're doing your college football rankings that you use, you veer towards something that feels established, right? We, we complain when we see other teams and players get the benefit of the doubt, but then we are all just as guilty of it. You know, we give teams, benefit of the doubt. I think with Hertz and his progression, and you're seeing how good he's been this year, you're probably doing the same thing that everybody else that isn't an Eagles fan that isn't

emotionally invested in it where I'm going, big spot, if they're even on the road in the NFC, you know, can Hertz go toe to toe with one of the marquee guys at the position? Unless you believe that he already is that, I would need more than half a year to go, yep, I put him right there with all these other quarterbacks. It's a lot like an NBA team. Like, okay, you have a really good record. like you, cool, you play a little defense. Do you have a top 10 guy can get you buckets when everything else is falling apart late in a playoff game? Right.

Because if you don't have one of those guys, I'm probably not going to pick you to go very far. Yeah. Their turnover differential is so good. They're so far beyond the rest of the league on that I'm almost like, wait, is that actually a bad sign because that'll even itself out at some point. They're talented. The defense is great. Hertz and the coaching staff deserve all this credit for creating a version of offense now where

everybody seems to be on the same page. They're really, really good. But to go half a season, like if Hertz had been like this for three years, I'm not, I'm pushing back on this entirely. I just, for me, it's very hard for me to jump right in when I haven't seen it from that position for a little bit longer of time. So I don't do a show without Aaron Rogers, at least Labor Day through February.

I couldn't believe it when I got the rundown. I'm like, wait, we still, this is like Ripkin for me. I think it's 12 shows in a row. I was like, we're doing it again. Let's go. So Jeremy Fowler's like, yeah, the young receivers are now all ticked off at Aaron. And I said earlier, people's careers end kind of like you thought they would. Like Ben fell off a cliff, Westbrook fell off a cliff. Brady's still holding on, fighting forever, you know, broke up his family.

And I'm like, yeah, of course that's how it ends. Jay Cutler, nobody liked him. Yeah, they didn't like it when he played when he was at his prime. And I look at Aaron and I think to myself, of course it's going to end like this. It's all prickly and he's defensive and he's... Do you think he's called... Let me ask you this. How close do you think he is to saying,

I'm over this? I am over not landing free agents. I'm over... I think everybody thinks they're close and then they're not. Like, our business is hilarious. Like, I remember, I think I got to ESPN in 2006 and they were talking about the lineup and they were like, you know,

Golick's probably going to be out of here soon. It's like, what? You're like, yeah, you know, once his kids are out of high school and everything. It's like everybody thinks they're leaving these awesome jobs and then you never do. So every NFL player I've ever known, they all want to retire after February, right? And then they start hitting the weights and then they start thinking about like, man, you know, and then July, then they're back to it and they miss it, all this stuff.

So like, Rogers has done a great job of crafting this story that he's had it so bad. What I love about this is that the receivers, like millennials, like somebody said something to me the other day. And I'm not trying to be like, oh, a guy, millennial, whatever. somebody said something the other day I was like well I'm just speaking my truth I'm like what the hell is that mean like you just you just rebranded somebody being honest with somebody else it's supposed to be this insightful revelation be like no no man I you can't push back on this because I am speaking my truth I'm like what if I think your truth is nonsense so the point is like I love that the younger dudes on this team got this story out because they were like we're sick of this like every week we're losing and it's just you're just

us the whole time and you weren't in training camp. So maybe it'd be a workforce dynamic that could drive Rogers crazy. But I just, I always think people float this stuff out there, these people at the top of the business, the people that are incredible in their industry. And they start thinking like, hey, man, I don't need this anymore. Like, I go do something else. And then the reality of like, what is, what's the other thing that you're going to do? Like, what's the other thing you're going to do that's going to be awesome?

You know, and unless it were jeopardy, which was ridiculous. like oh man he really grinded he was you know it's like i i don't i don't think these guys ever really truly want to leave until they're told they have to leave yeah yeah i said on the air last week i'm dying on the air i'm not going anywhere you last up my yeah i mean you you're like throwing low 80s now you're jamy moyer on the air you know you get guys out and i i'm you know i've had a couple drinks of you're like you know not for long and then i see something you re-sign a new deal so you're the same guy you and rogers are more like than you ever realized.

And Ryan knows me. He actually does. All right, buddy. I may stop down in M.B. tonight. If you're around, let's grab a beer. Good seeing you, my man. The Hornets are on. Sorry. All right. Okay. Chief. All right. Nice. Ouch. That are really.

That is funny. That's a good point, though. You talk about retirement. Then you look up and you're like, what am I going to do? Play bridge. Can't golf all day. Hour two next. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy. Not quite. humor me with Robert Smygel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but in encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at a Podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 is big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors.

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