The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Lakers, Rams, NFL

Episode Date: November 3, 2022

Russell Westbrook deserves praise for adjusting his role with the Lakers Colin doesn't believe the rumors that Rams head coach Sean McVay will retire. Thoughts on the NFL trade deadline   Guest: Kevin ClarkSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. I have decided, my family has decided, I will pay $8 to stay on Twitter. That is my TED Talk. J-MAC is joining us. Greg CoSell in one. One hour from now, I'm going to spend $8 a month. Valuable resource, that Twitter thing. How are you, Jay Mack?

Are you going to pay $8 for it? I mean, I guess you have to, right? Sure. Yeah, it's only $8. That's what? One of your Starbucks drinks for one morning? Come on. I mean, that's what people pay for coffee.

As long as the unwashed masses put their names on it and we know who we're talking to, I'm fine with it. Yeah, that's a big one for you. You want everybody's... I mean, the trolls are just out in full force, the bots. Yeah. Come on, Elon, clean that up. There we go.

Well, the Lakers cleaned some things up last night. LeBron's playing way too many minutes. He played 40 again last night. He was sick, so he got no elevation. It's amazing. The guy's in his 20th year. You heard him after the game. You could tell he was sick.

Just had no lift to his game. And here's LeBron out there, you know, giving you 20 plus points. It's a 40 minutes. He's playing way too much. The Lakers franchise is at a point where beating the Pelicans at home and overtime feels really big. But that's where we are as a franchise. franchise. But there are two things that you should be really happy about, maybe three. Number one, Anthony Davis is back to plan big boy defense. Anthony Davis is a great defender when he's

healthy and engaged. He's back to doing that. And Russell Westbrook appears to be willing and motivated to come off the bench. That is a shocking pivot. Now, Westbrook should come off the bench. and he's really built for the bench at this point in his career. What Westbrook is is an energy guy. He's currently the only NBA player giving you 15 plus points, 5-5 rebounds, assists, off the bench in the league. And what he does is he always brings energy. His game can be flawed, even when he's missing shots.

You get great energy with Westbrook, and last night the Lakers didn't have a ton of it early, and here comes Westbrook. And he did a great job, and that's what he's built to do. So if rookie head coach Darwin Ham, if he does nothing else all year, gets Russell Westbrook to buy into his role as a first guy off the bench guy,

then Darvinham is a success as a rookie head coach and should get coach of the year. Because we've seen Westbrook. We know, you know, if you're in this league, if you're in any business for 10 years, we know what you are. Westbrook, a lot of intensity, lot of energy,

hyper athletic, not a great shooter, not great hands, and kind of a rigid person. We've seen embark at fans and swat it fans. It's kind of a rigid personality. Those kind of personalities are hard to change. Their political agendas, their sports agendas, rigid people. He can be a little rigid.

That's his style. That's his game. All right. It's fine. Not the worst thing in the world. But it's very difficult to get rich, successful men in America and say, you know what? Immediately, you're part of the problem. We need you to play in a reduced role.

got to step back at work. No more Vice President bonus. That is hard to do in America. Men have a lot of egos. And Westbrook has done it. How many years did it take Carmelo Anthony to come to terms with what he was? He laughed at people who suggested he was a bench player. Russell Westbrook did it in like a week and a half.

It's like, whoa. Wow. Good for Russell Westbrook. Hey, a lot of people can criticize Westbrook. I said this year I was done criticizing him. I think it feels mean-spirited now, like people are picking on him. The crowd's picking on him. I don't want to be part of that.

But we have to be fair. If we're going to criticize people, Los Angeles, I've only lived here six, seven years. It's a fair city. They love who they love. They'll boo people. But you've got to be fair. If players are willing to accommodate team first, are willing to be coachable, are willing to pivot and are willing to change, then you have to change as a fan.

I have to change as a broadcaster. like what Russell Westbrook is doing is shocking. His personality, I would have never guessed that he, and again, who gets credit? Westbrook does, Darwin Ham does. You know, I found out about a year ago Westbrook's wife's a licensed therapist. Maybe she gets some credit. I don't know. I don't know.

What do I know? This is shocking. This is absolutely what he should have done. It's what he's doing. He's doing it quickly, and we have to be fair. If we're all going to criticize Westbrook and we're all going to say he can't do that and boo him and blah, blah, blah, then we have to be fair when he changes because this is not easy. It wouldn't be easy for me if somebody came to me and said, and I rely on my wife all the time, by the way,

whenever I go through career stuff or stuff, I lean big on my family, big on my wife. And I, you know, so I don't know how Westbrook got to this point so quickly. Whoever's in his circle could, you know, I don't know who it is. Darwin Ham's obviously a big part of it and obviously Westbrook gets credit. But this is a big thing. If I would have told you a week ago, Westbrook's going to buy in immediately to coming off the bench and he's going to be profoundly important, he's going to totally accept it, he's going to be totally positive.

Would you have said, yeah, I can see that happening? No way. No way. But we have to be fair. Now that he is, he deserves to be cheered. He deserves to be applauded. he deserves to be supported. If people, listen, we have a society now where people won't change.

People just make stuff, I'll never watch the NFL because of Kaepernick, you're watching. I'll never pay $8 for Twitter, you will. I'll never do this. I'll never do that. I mean, Westbrook went all in. I am making a huge change and, frankly, a sacrifice for my brand and my Hall of Fame basketball career. and he did it

but in a week gotta be fair we got to be fair fans got to be fair Westbrook's all in it's impressive he was great last night Darvinham after

Russ had a hell of a night man in the last three games he's been phenomenal um my one of my goals is selfishly is to get him in a conversation for six man of the year at some point

and why not start now um we were dragging in the mud early in the game he came in and gave us a huge huge, huge boost. So his fingerprints were definitely all over this game in the positive, productive manner. Yeah, good for him and good for Darwin Ham. Like coaching professional athletes is not just about X's and O's.

It is managing strong personalities, managing strong successful people. Westbrook's got a lot of pride, he's got a lot of money, he's got a lot of business, he's got a lot of success in his life and he is now he entered LA kind of in a midlife NBA crisis like like it's that midlife spot you're like what you think you are and what you are kind of two different things and that's hard for a lot of men in a lot of industries and it was pretty bumpy last year and it was like bumpy in the off season and you heard a lot of things about he fired his agent and it was real bumpy but the last two or three games it's like dude's put his arms around it's like I'm going to own it.

it, I'm going to be it. Impressive. Shocking. To me anyway. I saw this story. Sean McVey coach of the Rams. He's only 36 years old. Apparently, Albert Breer was on the Rich Eisen Show, and Albert Breer says that in all likelihood, Sean McVeigh will retire when the core players like, you know, Aaron Donald and Matt Stafford Cooper Cup, when they're done, he's done. Well, it's the NFL. The probably all done in four years. You know, I mean, four or five years about those guys all be done. Really?

He's going to be out of football at 40, 41. Really? You want to hang around a golf club? Guys moaning about the society and economy and who's president. That sounds like a riveting existence. I've never been a member of a golf club. Not because I don't like golf. I don't like the people who play it and grumble and are negative about everything.

It's a bad hang. Listen, he can't beat Kyle Shanahan. Cam Acre's situation's weird. O-line and wide receivers in an offensive league fell apart. And yes, coaching is an all-in profession that sucks the life out of you, and he's married to a beautiful young lady. But I watch Pete Carroll on the sidelines, and Pete Carroll is 70 years old, and I think football is keeping Pete Carroll young.

And Nick Sabin's just about 70. He signed an extension. He's yelling and screaming and throwing headsets on the sideline. He's still engaged. Andy Reed, remained super clever, super creative. Would Andy Reid be better off, playing bridge and slicing eight irons at a golf club? Sean McVeigh is too smart, too knowledgeable, and too passionate to quit football.

Sean Payton works at our network. And he's been coming on my show every Monday. It's my favorite segment of the week of the many I love doing. He's fantastic. Sean Payton is fantastic. And Sean took a year off. He's at Fox. It's awesome to have them.

everybody loves him and we feel so grateful that he comes on our show 30 minutes a week. I feel so incredibly indebted and grateful to Sean Payton. That guy's too smart to be a broadcaster. He's too young. He's only like he's in his 50s. Sean Payton, nothing to get us all you broadcasters out there. Sean Payton knows too much about football and personnel. I talk to him for 10 minutes off the air before he comes on the air.

He just knows too much stuff. He's too passionate. He's too smart. He's too engaged. He's too knowledgeable. Sean Payton needs to be coaching an NFL team. There's about 28 guys in this league that aren't even in his class as a coach and maybe four to five that are.

However, you know, there's four or five guys we all know are great coaches, maybe six or seven. Outside of that, Sean Payton is head and shoulders above every other coach in this league. And Sean McVe, 36, super smart. Do I think he'd be saying this if he could beat Kyle Shanahan in the O line in receivers? Maybe, maybe not. But I look around these football coaches. Pete Carroll is 70 years old.

He is chewing his gum a mile a minute. He's talking a thousand miles an hour. And Pete Carroll, you can't tell me football is not good for Pete Carroll. Go walk around a mall sometimes and look at 70-year-olds. And then go look at Pete Carroll. The energy, the relating, the connecting to young athletes and young people and being part of their lives. Sean Peyton tells me every week. You're part professor, part father, surrogate father.

you're part coach you're part therapist you're part psychologist you are you are in these young people's lives and you're making them wiser and they're making you're young they're making you younger i'm not giving that up yeah there's a reason i don't want to be part of a golf club it's not the golf part the grumpy old man part football keeps you young at least that's what i see all right some ted talks today i'm in the mood whatever weren't you be honest jemack weren't you kind of shocked Last two or three games with Westbrook, I mean, immediately acknowledging, this is who I am, I'm off the bench, and gleefully, willfully, wrapping his arms around it clearly last night. He was a huge boost. So I try to bite my tongue on the show sometimes, and I will say, yes, Westbrook has been good.

It's been three games. Okay. I do want to see. You notice he did not play at the end of the fourth quarter or in overtime. Okay. What happens if those become losses suddenly? Is he like, hey, coach, I need to be in there? I would agree.

Optimistic start. It's way too early to get excited. And also, I say this often, love your life like your sports. Don't fall in love with stuff, fall in like with it. They still need more shooters. The Lakers still need buddy healed. So if a deal was potentially happening, I'm not saying I wouldn't look at it. Westbrook does not provide that.

But what he is doing, we have to be fair as members of the media. If we're going to dog this guy, then when he puts his arms around something, we've got to be fair. How about do you think Miles Turner's, or going on a podcast this week and talking glowingly about the Lakers, Russ was like, goodness, I better get my act together. I better clean it up a little bit. No, I think Ross probably has people in his life.

He trusts and he listens to them and they gave him, you know, they talk about it. This is what people do. They go home and they talk to their family and friends. And we all have people in our life that we trust. We lean on for me. It's my wife. Sometimes my kids, you know. Wait, you don't go on social media and ask everybody on Twitter what they think?

Because that's what a lot of people do. They're just obsessed with this stuff. I wish those people the best of luck. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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Now entering the No Bullsome, sponsored by credible great rates, none of the bull. So Aaron Rogers, the Packers did not make a deal at the trade deadline. People in Green Bay were not happy. and they want the GM fired, which is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Packer fans are spoiled brats. In 26 of the last 30 years, the Packers have been 500 or better. That's insane.

That's insane. In a league where half the playoff teams, half do not make the playoffs the following year, 26 of 30 years, the Packer fans have made the playoffs. And these brats go to their social media feeds and Reddit boards and he wasn't a general manager fired. Folks, this wasn't a hard one to predict. Devante Adams left. The Vikings got better.

The Vikings switched to an offensive coach. Matt LaFleurur, I'm sorry, pay attention. It's not proven. The special teams have been a mess since he arrived. The defense is underperforming. He doesn't give the ball to Aaron Jones enough. There's no proof he's a great coach. You guys have made him one because he beats the lions a couple times a year

and beats the bears a couple times a year. It's not winning against good teams enough. They melted in the playoffs the last two years at home at the end of a game. So businesses and trees do not grow to the sky. There are reboot years. Alabama before Saban was a mess. North Carolina is an unbelievable basketball program, arguably the greatest in the history of America. They've had multiple reboot seasons.

Tom Brady, by the way, he saw it coming in New England. The league was pivoting to a weapons league. They didn't have any. He bailed. Brady saw the reboot coming in New England. He wouldn't be winning Super Bowls right now in New England. He wouldn't be beating Buffalo in New England. He wouldn't be beating Kansas City in New England.

They got no weapons. He couldn't beat Tennessee at home his last game there. You're spoiled. Aaron Rogers has come to terms with we didn't get weapons at the trade deadline. Obviously, the compensation or whatever players that we were going after, it just didn't make sense. So I trust Brian, and we had some good conversations,

and know that we were, you know, in on some things, and it obviously just didn't pan out. That just sends a message to us that we got to, you know, play with the guys we got and win with the guys we got. And I think there's still a lot of confidence in the guys in locker room. I do feel like we need to get healthy. I think that's a great message. I think Aaron's right on the money.

I think the team will be better down the stretch post Thanksgiving, which we predicted because it's a bunch of kids at wide receipts. Aaron's a veteran, like Brady, takes him a while to adjust to young receivers, and I think they'll have a very good offseason because their front office is mostly very smart, though a bit conservative for my taste. But Green Bay this year doesn't look like San Francisco or Philly or, frankly, Dallas, or Buffalo or Kansas City, and on some afternoons, Baltimore, or Minnesota. They got boat race by Minnesota.

Minnesota looks better. They do. They look better. So Packer fans, acceptance is the key to happiness. Come to terms with it. You've been really good for almost three straight decades. This is a nine and eight team. Eight and nine team if they don't get healthier.

Probably a nine and eight team. Get a couple of breaks down the stretch. Schedule is not easy. Chicago's going to be better. Minnesota just got better. Bears just got better. I'm not saying the bears were as good as you, but they got better. now with Chase Claypool and Mooney,

have a chance to beat you. Acceptance is the key to happiness. Come to terms with it. But you're acting like spoiled brats. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Did you see that Packers line at Detroit, three and a half? That's less than what Miami was in this exact same spot last week. So even the market is starting to bail on the Packers. Well, wait a minute. Miami is absolutely better. I think you're right. Ask this question. Would any Green Bay receiver start? Even tight end, I like Mike Naseki a lot. And their left tackle, David Boktiari, I like, but he's moved around the line. He's had some injuries. He doesn't participate in some of the practices. I just read the injury report this week. Not a lot of Green Bay players. Obviously, Aaron Rogers would start for Miami, but Miami's got better players. Yeah, it's wild. And now Bradley Chubb. Bradley Chab is better than any pass rusher for the Packers. Roshan Gary's very good. Very good.

I like the Packers defense. It's a... It's underachee. They can miss the playoffs. All right, let's get to number one here. Dallas Cowboys. They were in the mix, reportedly for Brandon Cooks. They were one of the finalists trying to get the Texans receiver, who, by the way, is not playing tonight.

He's very unhappy with the Texans. But as for the Cowboys, Stephen Jones, you know, because this is what owners do. They come out and say that Dallas is happy with who they have going forward. we can continue to look for ways to make our team better, and we will. But at the same time, we have some guys at certain positions that are going to be available to come off the IR designated to return that can help us. But we really like this team. We really like the depth of this team. There are some situations where we thought we could help our team and be a good fit for us.

It felt like maybe things were coming our way, but we're very pleased with our team. Gee, Stephen Jones, very pleased. Well, they should be. I don't think they're a Super Bowl winning team, but I think that's a Super Bowl winning team. they're close, they should be. I don't have a problem. I think Dallas knows what their weakness is. How do I know that? Because Dallas, according to Ed Werder, reportedly went after a wide receiver, but couldn't afford him. I think we both agree the thing that I worry about with them. If CD Lamb goes down, and CDLAM is a slight, you know, he's a good player, but I mean,

he's not a huge guy. If he goes down, they need another guy that can stretch the field. And I think Dallas knows it. I think you know it. I think I know it. I think the fans know it. So, Dallas is at least has the self-awareness, the organization. They know what they need. They just couldn't afford it. So do you remember that playoff game, Dallas 49ers last year? Do you remember what CD Lamb did in that game? One catch, 21 yards.

Five targets. 49ers said, we're taking away CD Lamb. He's a game breaker. What do you got, Dallas? They had nothing. And I think that's the question. Because teams are going to, once you get to the playoffs, that's why Kansas City went and got another weapon, Tony.

I mean, that's why Miami, you know, they had water. they went and got Tyree Kill. And they stole Cedric Wilson from the Cowboys. He's doing like nothing. But the two leading cowboy receivers in that game against the Niners, Cedric Wilson and Amari Cooper. They're not on Dallas anymore.

Well, why did Minnesota go get Hawkinson? So you couldn't double Jefferson on every play. So the bottom line is it used to be not that long ago where if you had a stud receiver, that was enough. It's not anymore. You need a second and a third and a fourth. And a good tight end to cover, you know, to force people to defend the middle of the field.

matchup, Dallas against Philly and the 49ers. I just, I don't think that's a good match. I don't think they're as good as Minnesota. I think Minnesota's got too many weapons. Agre to disagree on that one. All right. Let's get to your Minnesota Vikings. T.J. Hawkinson, big get for Minnesota at the deadline. He'd spent his entire career with Detroit. I think that's three years. And he's happy to be in a position to finally win some games in the NFL. I'm super excited to be here. I'm excited to have a role in this, have a piece in this puzzle. A lot of good guys around here. This facility is beautiful.

So I'm just excited to be here, man. There's nowhere I'd rather be. So that's really what we're here to do, is go somewhere and win some games. And so, you know, that's kind of the first time I've been able to say that. So I'm pretty excited. I really am. Isn't it pro sports amazing? That you can go from this losing franchise

and then this winning company calls your agent and says, hey, we want this guy on this losing culture, on our culture, and we have a really good team and we want him. How good would you feel? Because, you know, that's the thing I feel bad for pro football players. Hawkinson was a good, a top draft pick. He's a great player. The harder you work in college, for all of us, the better job you get. Right? For athletes, the harder you work in college, the worst team you go to. And you're stuck there. In the NFL, you're kind of stuck there until the team wants to move off you. So the fact that this kid has busted his butt in Iowa, great player, busts his butt in Detroit, great player, and he's at a losing company. And a winning

company calls him and says, we think you're great. How good does he feel today? That's so good for him. He looks like a Viking with the hair right and the big goatee. He looks like he'll fit in great. Now listen, I think Hawkinson will be a factor. Washington this week, Washington's defense trending up, then Buffalo and then Dallas. So we're going to learn a lot about your Vikings here in the coming three weeks. Finally, Colin, wacky World Series game last night. Astros made history in Philadelphia. The Houston pitchers combined to throw a no-hitter in the 5-0 victory.

Just the third no-hitter in postseason history. Second in the World Series and the first ever combined no-hitter. Here's Joe Davis with the call. Rio Muto. Bouncing ball to third. The second one in World Series history. Can I just say this, though? I watched the first seven innings.

There's a difference between a no-hitter and Philadelphia getting no hits. Yes. Like if you go to the grocery store, I grew up, I loved Raisin Brand. Okay, that was my cereal. Okay. Forever. Never had it in my life. I could get generic Raisin brand.

It's still cereal, but it's not my Raisin brand. a no hitter if a pitcher goes nine, I am emotionally connected and rooting for the individual. Once you go to the bullpen and this guy pitches an inning and an inning, it's like a generic no hitter. It's like, well, okay, but I mean these days, everybody's throwing 96 out of the pen. It's nothing against it.

Philadelphia couldn't hit any of them, but it does feel different. Once they pulled the starter, I was like, it just didn't feel the same. I agree. Were you kind of unhappy with that? I mean, if you're an Astros fan, do you want to see the guy go to the distance? I understand what teams do it, right? But like, I'm just saying as a consumer, I was in on the no-hitter.

I watched the entire game. And then, you know, then they pull him and I stick around. And I'm like, well, it doesn't, it's not the same. Nolan Ryan, I grew up with Nolan Ryan. He had, you know, we watched Nolan Ryan have seven no-hitters. You were riveted. It didn't matter what the score of the game was. Yeah, you're not changing the channel.

No, no. When a singular pitcher is throwing a no-hitter in a regular season game, you will not. Once you start going to the pen, it just means the other team didn't get a hit. It doesn't feel nearly the same to me. There was an article this week, I think, on the Atlantic about how math has kind of broken some of the things in society. Movies, right? Music, you know what's going to be a hit. You know what movies the fans want.

And you know in baseball the math says to change pitchers. And I think you're kind of right. It might have lost some people when you pull a pitcher who has a no hitter in the World Series. Like, that's kind of a tough sell. It's just the reality of analytics. Like analytics, to me, I get them. I don't have to love them. I get them.

I think it's deadened baseball a little bit. It's not as lively, not as many base runners, not as much activity, fewer hits. But I get it. But, you know, it's like advances in society aren't all good. I say this all the time. I still love a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. That's my favorite snack or an apple. We have all these new foods.

I mean, there's, there are so many things now that we've created. You can go to grocery stores and stores are making their own foods. And it's great, but it's become a lot of choices and choices sometimes create anxiety. And I think sometimes we think analytics, it makes a sport smarter. It doesn't necessarily make it better for the consumer. Yeah. And like, for instance, LeBron and the Lakers last night, you said LeBron played too many minutes. Do you think there's any chance the coach is saying, hey, LeBron, the analytics say you've got to come out.

There's two minutes left in the game. No shot that's happening, right? NBA's different. But they're not pulling the coach. Same in the NFL with running backs and carries. Here's why I've always said this about baseball. They should eliminate the defensive shift. Who pays the freight for all these sports leagues now?

Television. So they're all television shows. When we were kids growing up, it was the fans, popcorn, the food. You made a lot of money with that. TV, the rights weren't as expensive. Now networks, Fox, ESPN, we pay. We're the reason these leagues are making a fortune. So you should cater to networks to make it a better product.

The NFL, more than any league in America, has always understood this. We are a television show. We are going to make rules that are more appealing to the consumer watching on TV because far more people watch on TV. Baseball, I think, is grappling with that where they know that baseball is very highbrow. This is a smarter sport, but it's duller to a lot of the consumers. There's fewer base runners. You think they'll remove the shift?

Do you think that's in play? I was told by somebody who would know that the baseball, the shift is out. Wow. That would be exciting. And that's a smart move by baseball. Why? More base runners. I want to see Bryce Harper be able to hit a double and stand on the bases for 10 minutes

and his hair and his face are on television. And I'm watching. Now he jacks it out or strikes out. Circles the bases in a minute. He's not on television. You want Bryce Harper on TV as much as you can get him on TV. LeBron's got the ball up and down the court. Brady's taking a snap.

Baseball stars now. Hit a home run. A minute later, they disappear in the dugout. You don't see him for three hours. I want to see base runners. I wonder how that vote would go inside baseball. They've got to all want this, right? Remove the shift.

Get it out of it. By the way, baseball already announced. Shift is out starting next year, Jamie. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So, and it should be. It's bad for the sport.

You want more base runners. That's awesome. Yes, it's great. You want it. More offense. I had this explained to me by a TV exec years ago, a really smart guy. He said, if you look at sports, the longer a star is on television, the better of the ratings. Hockey, you only have minute lines.

Stars on, stars off. Start baseball. The more home runs, the more guys hit it. Get into the dugout. You don't see him. You want to see Derek Jeter in his prime or A-Rod in his prime. You want the camera on them for 30 minutes a game at the plate, on the bases, in the field. Baseball guys hit home runs and disappear.

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iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now so i like kevin clark and i just had a conversation off the air as i'm prone to do but with my guests and it was really interesting um really interesting thought i want to bring in kevin from the ringer nfl writer slow news day video cast i want to go back to that chicago thing because the last thing you said before we came on the air was very interesting and i think it's a good way for fans to look at it so i like the chase claypool move for my reasons. But you made a point on why you bring him in now with fields and what they gave up. And I think it's very smart. Kevin, fire away on that idea. There's no middle ground in second contracts anymore for quarterbacks. We either get the $160 million deal or you don't get a 50-year option picked up.

We really haven't seen, even since I guess you'd say Blake Bordell sign of kind of a middle-of-the-road contract with a guy in his fourth year or fifth year. So for me, in order to make that investment, if you're the Bears, and we're a long way from that. But you have to do everything possible to know what you have. And so to spend a second round pick, and listen, maybe it's an overpay. I mean, it probably is. But what you want to do is you want to have as many data points as possible to figure out what Justin Fields is so you can make that decision. You have to know.

The one thing you don't want to be doing at the end of his fourth year is, A, having the kind of the pang of regret and saying, what if we had gotten him more help? And B, thinking, we don't know enough. We have to either financially commit or let a really talented guy walk, and we don't have enough information. This is an information gathering trade, frankly. And so the upside is there. It can improve the offense.

I think Chase Claypool on the outside, you saw his comments a couple days ago basically saying he tried a new position in the slot. It didn't work. It gets him throws outside of the numbers, but also it just helps you understand what he looks like with a competent offense, with actual pieces. I think it's totally justifiable. And by the way, a lot of the kind of armchair GM folks on Twitter were killing it.

I checked with some people in the league. Most people in the league really like this deal for the Bears. Yeah, and I think your point, which is really smart, which is the investment you'll have to make on Justin Fields if he's it is so huge. Is it worth a second round pick to discover? Oh, we've got to pay 300 million. Yeah, it is. Okay.

So I'll throw this at you. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am more likely to mock conspiracy theorists. But this has been thrown out there. About a year ago, I'm sure you commented on it. I did. There was this big hot rumor, Aaron Rogers to Denver. So much so that our colleague Mark Schlerath tied to the Broncos forever is like,

they're interested and they're talking about it and it could get close. So it was out there. So some people are suggesting, maybe on Reddit boards, but they're suggesting it that Green Bay hired Hackett thinking we're going to get Aaron and Aaron's offense. Or Broncos did. Excuse me, Broncos did. We're going to get Hackett from Green Bay. And so they get Hackett. And then they don't get Aaron.

And they settled for Russ. But Hackett only really knows the Aaron offense. That's his offense. And so you're asking him in real time, hey, can you change your offense? And it's like, listen, I thought I was going to be coached Aaron. Russell and Aaron are two different players. Because my takeaway is it's been so bad. When something is so bad, I'm looking for explanations and I can't figure it out.

Is that a crazy conspiracy? I don't think it's a crazy conspiracy through that that's what the hire had in, that's what they had in mind when they made the hire. I don't think that's out of bounds at all to speculate on that. What I will say is that Nathaniel Hackett should be smart enough to figure it out, just watch a little bit of Seattle tape, figure out what he does well and go forward. Like, I just don't understand the basic incompetence.

And now the report was he hired his buddy from Stanford from his time there, and that was part of the game management problems in the first couple weeks. They go out and they hired Jerry Rosberg and respected special teams coach. But it's bad. Like, I think that the fourth down stuff and the time management stuff was kind of glossing over the fact that everything else was bad, Colin. Like, it's bad across the board. It's a bad time to be a new owner and come in and see that maybe you guys aren't on the right track,

gave over $200 billion to a quarterback who right now looks really bad and really struggling and doesn't have the environment that he needs to succeed. Seattle looks better without him. Like I'm not ready to say that Russell, I mean, I think there have been some jokes the last couple weeks that Russell was holding Seattle back. And for the way that Pete wants to play, I mean, he kind of took a victory lap the other day saying you got to run the ball. Everybody said and understand modern football.

Like for the way Pete wants to play, like maybe Russell was holding them back a little bit. That's a crazy thing to say. And so if you're, you just spent $4.6 billion on this team, which by the way is double what David Tepra paid, one of the richest guys in the world for the Carolina Panthers. And you're sitting here saying, wait, I'm stuck with this for a few years. Like I think it, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they look at this and say, look, just this is not what we wanted. Let's just start over again and try to get Russ some, some help in a different way because that's the only piece that is tied down with that money. Yeah. No, we said that last week.

So Miami's an interesting team. I think I know, I look at Philadelphia, San Francisco, Kansas City, Buffalo. You know, you look at certain teams and I'm like, boy, they've got a lot of athletes. And then there's this second tier of teams that I like personally. Like Baltimore, I've seen them in the playoffs a lot. I love Harbaugh. I love Lamar. You know, Dallas's defense could win a game.

And there's Cincinnati I tend to like more than most. And then there's Miami. And I'm like, so I threw this out. I said, listen, even with Marino, you send Miami. teams up to Buffalo and Kansas City and it's sleet. And I'm like, you know, Tua's not a drive the ball down the field guy. And I said, it's possible. I've seen this in the NBA where teams are built for the regular season, but I don't see them going up in cold weather. And I got some pushback on that. It's like my takeaway is, I think Miami's good, but I can see around the corner. Do you buy this

as kind of a better than we think team? Because I think they fall into that second group of I like them, but I see the problems coming. I'm always skeptical, by the way, of cold weather. I'm a Miami hurricane span and graduate. We can't even play in North Carolina in Virginia, let alone Buffalo, okay? We need little space cedars and we go to Duke. No, I think they'll make the playoff for the season

because I believe to Mike McDaniel, and there are people around the league who are saying wait until you see the competence that comes with the run game and just the ability to open up things for two a little bit. The athletes on the defense were unbelievable. And Waddle and Tyree Kill that just can't fail as long as they're healthy and they are and Tyree Kill is as good a receiver as there is in football um he's making life easy for Tua i do think that obviously there's still concerns about Tua and i don't want to i don't want to awake uh dolphins twitter right now and i won't get into those um but i do think this is a playoff team and a tvs can compete in the a i i think that this was always you know they they kind of took a wrong turn when they took herbert over two a couple years ago during that whole process thing but they'd lot of draft capital. They turned the Laramie Tunsel deal into the modern day Herschel Walker trade,

where there's getting three really talented guys because they spun that into the Tray Lance trade and all of that stuff. So this has been kind of a masterclass on how to accumulate talent really quickly. I mean, it's almost an AFC version of what the Rams have done in a lower scale, because they don't have to tie it all together. But this is taking draft capital and turning it into real assets. And I really think it hasn't been enough appreciation for how the last five years have gone from a team-building standpoint in Miami under Chris Greer. Couple of minutes left. Your article Derringer yesterday about Dan Snyder's selling.

I'm a bit of a cynic because he's been so stubborn when it's been suggested. What am I to make of it in a couple of minutes, Keb? I said this. Whatever the most cynical outcome, bet on that, right? But that's been the whole thing with Daniel Snyder for years. And it's funny because we talk so often about skill sets in the NFL and what you need to succeed. Tyra Kill, Speed, Joe Burroughs, Vision, whatever, right? the ability for Daniel Snyder not to feel shame and embarrassment is the top skill of anybody in football

because he has gone through so many things, multiple workplace conduct investigations, multiple ticket scandals, and he tried to charge for training camp 20 years ago. I mean, there's just been so many things. They almost all run together into one big mistake and one big scandal. And he's never said, I want to sell the team. And so what I think there gets to be a point. I think Ersay's comments last month was the start of the damn bursting, where he starts to realize, you know what?

I've been incapable of feeling the heat, but I can get $7 billion, $6 billion for a team that, you know, my parents grew up in D.C., they talk about this crown jewel franchise that was there, almost like what people talk about with the Patriots now or the Rams now. I don't believe them. I think they're making it up, but there are people who want to buy that team

and restore it to its former glory. And I think if you can get $6 billion for everyone to stop hating you, that's a pretty good deal, Colin. Yeah. Kevin Clark DeRinger, great writer, also host a slow Newsday video cast. Great as always seeing you, my man. Thanks, buddy. Yeah, I really like his Justin Fields take. If you're going to have to pay him $300 million, is it worth a second round draft pick, Chase Claypool to figure out, all right, we got him some weapons. Yeah, I mean, that's the investment you got to make. And he's also right. There is no middle ground on this. You either pay that young guy a fortune or you do a Baker Mayfield and not extend him. I mean, that's just, there is no, Blake Bortals is like the rare guy that you said, we don't love you, we don't hate you, we'll give you a couple years, 20 million apiece. That's basically, you get the big bag or nothing.

And right now I'm kind of 60, 40 field works. I'm not all in, but I see something. This offseason, what do the giants do, if anything? And if the giants don't want him, who does? What's the market for Daniel Jones? See, that's the one that. It's going to be tough. Because there's no middle ground.

You don't want to like wait three years to find out about Daniel Jones. We have like a five-year sample already that guy. That's why the Giants job was intriguing. Because we do know that at the NFL, college football only gives the NFL about one great quarterback a year. And you knew Daniel's not great, certainly competent, but great. So when you take that job and the Maras wanted Daniel Jones, you know, they want to see him get his chance. Day Bowl is doing a great job, but they'll come a point. There's going to be some hard decisions to make at the most important position in the league.

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