The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Mahomes a Hero, or a Villain?

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

C&R have fun with a round of 'What's Worse?' They decide between Disneyland with 7 kids, or Johnny Football publicly groping your daughter! It's a Chiefs double doozy, darling or devil & Patrick Mahomes bending the rules. The crew & callers debate! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hope you had an Ohio State sort of Monday, fun day. Damn Byer, the Ohio State. Congratulations, buddy. That was awesome. And by the way, it is sort of, I don't know, expected or understood that you congratulate your buddies, right? because I congratulated my brother-in-law, like he's on the team or something.

Hey, man, you really rooted great this year. Oh, your brother-in-law is Ryan Day? Yeah, congrats on the big win. I know you're a big Ohio State fan. You're supposed to congratulate the fans, right? So, Dan, I hope you enjoyed it. You know, I think college is different than the pros in that. You could congratulate even more if it's an alumni.

Like Spot, if Maryland does something big, you spent money in four years of your life living at the University of Maryland. So if the Terps show up big, I could say, hey, congrats spots because you were there. Yeah, you're part of it. I mean, my money's long gone. But, yeah. It's made your money on a park bench. But are you more part of it than the actual city you represent?

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He's stopping by our Brooke Mahomes to play a game. We do it every Tuesday. But yeah, a double doozy of Chiefs talk. And we got to chop up. Is that your new podcast? Chiefs talk. Yeah. I mean, the show sometimes feels like Chiefs talk.

Because we get real inclusive here on the show. We want to involve everybody. 877.99 on Fox. everybody listening in the car at the oil patch, the warehouse, the office, everybody here in the studio. We all have opinions on what we're seeing with the chiefs, so I want to see how we should feel about it moving forward. There's layers to these chiefs question.

Yeah, we need to explore this. We'll get to that. There's also a story we have to get to today, which is imagine if you're an 11-year-old snot-nose kid changed your family stars. There's a story. It involves a kid and a baseball. ball card. We have to dissect that. But can I start the show with a

typical stupid Rich Davis hypothetical? You could just say Rich Davis hypothetical. What is it today? That's redundant. That's like ATM machine. Is it like chicken pop pies? What do we talk about today? Talking about liquids. It's like mac and cheese.

I'm on a liquid-only diet today because I have a colonoscopy tomorrow. That's great. Anything else you want to share with us? Has it bothered me yet? That's not the hypothetical. That's tonight, Sam. That's tonight. That's all night tonight. My question is this. I saw two headlines in the world of sports.

So, can we play a quick round of what's worse? Yes. I'm going to give you two scenarios and you tell me, because you're a dad, you got a 15-year-old daughter, I'm sorry, a 15-year-old cheer champion daughter. 15-year-old pain in the ass. Danny Jean, you got sons. You got a baby, you got step-sons that are grown.

Damn, Byers a dad. I was Sam one day. I feel like you're going to be a hell of a dad. spotty women call you daddy it's true you're a daddy so he's the daddy but he's not like a sugar daddy

he's like a stevia daddy sort of gives low budget treatment to all these girls stevia daddy that's a good one he's like I'm not gonna buy you a louis baton but I got a sweet coach bag for you though he's like you want to go to cheesecake factory

yeah he's like I'll make your wildest dreams come true what you want a vacation to the polka nose sweet low daddy sweet low daddy over there what's that brand coven You know a good fellow? Yeah, he'll take you to Target by a pair of socks. Oh, yeah.

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Okay. And how that day unfolds. So what's worse? Bringing seven children to Disney, a la Tyson Fury. And you can only imagine he's getting stopped. People are talking to him. He's trying to accommodate all seven of his kids. Or if you're Jose Konseko and you see Johnny Mansell grabbing all types of parts of your daughter's body on Instagram,

saying they're partying in Aspen. Aspen. What's worse? Yeah. And the headline was Aspen because Johnny Manzell's grabbing Josie Kinseko's ass cheeks. So is it worse to be Jose Konseko, which is it worse to be Jose Konseko, which? you have to just watch as Johnny Mansell violates your daughter.

Or if you're Tyson Fury bringing seven children to Disney. I actually like the Fury story. You know why? There's only one. There's only one Tyson Fury, but there's seven little nose pickers in his family, right? So he takes his family to Disney for a day.

Remember, he just announced his retirement. Maybe this opens his eyes up a little more of, he doesn't want to spend all this quality time with his family. He's going to unretire like Tom Brady one day into it. He's going to be so frustrated. after dealing with them just for a day at Disney that he's out of retirement back in camp and he's fighting again. So I actually like that one. One day of aggravation for Tyson Fury versus potentially a lifetime of Johnny football all over your daughter.

Jose Canseco sort of deserves it. He's kind of a jerky guy as we know. That's definitely worse though. I told you my daughter's 15 as you mentioned. The other day I picked her up from school and she came walking out of the school with her new boyfriend. and it's some track kid and he has the broccoli hair and the broccoli head

alpaca haircut. Crocs. And he's like, hey, what's up, Mr. Kavino? And I was like, oh, this guy,

right? Hey, what's up, fella? I gave him the P sign. And then I saw for the first time my daughter give him like the hug goodbye.

And it made my stomach drop a little bit. And I pretend to not notice it, but I gave him the side eye like, oh. And I didn't let her know that it bothered me or I noticed it because she's 15. I get it.

She hugged the kid. Whatever. But she kissed him five minutes before you got there. Yeah, when I saw it, though, I'm like, man, I was a little bold right in front of me like that, right? I wasn't ready. When Marty McFly is sitting on the bench. Yeah. And Jennifer's dad pulls up in the station wagon.

Jennifer. I don't care how cool you are or how much you understand. That still stings. And when it's Johnny football and all over social media and you're a public figure, it's got to be more annoying. That's worse for me. That's why I bring it up because, listen, he seems to have changed his act, and you've seen the documentary, but Johnny football is known as one of the biggest douches of the last 20 years. I do like how he's grown. I got to make that clear, but it's never fun.

So him hanging all of your daughter, grabbing your kid's booty on social media. No, thanks. Or Tyson Fury fresh out of, you know, being one of the most elite boxes of the last decade or so. And you're entertaining seven children at Disney. How old's his daughter now? I mean, I know she's grown, but I'm just wondering, right? Because there's a part of you that still sees your kid as they're your kid. She's 28.

She's not that young. You know, so I guess you get used to it as time goes on, but there's a level of respect, man. I would never do that to my girlfriend's dad and put him in that awkward situation. He listens to Fox Sports all the time out there in Idaho, 99.9. You think I'd be posted pictures like that? That's disheartening. It's disrespectful. Could be karma too, though.

Yeah. Because if you know anything about Konseko, if you've had a girlfriend in Southern California that he's come up to and try to mac on her back in the day, then you know Konseko's M.O is he used to kind of be on the line of dirtbag or good guy you weren't sure. It almost makes sense. It's sort of like when Charlie Sheen's daughter was on Onlyfans. It's like, well, isn't that sort of? Yeah, but, you know, it's never easy.

So I think the answer is very clear. What's worse? Spending a fun, magical day with seven of your kids in Disney World or Disneyland. That's what Tyson Fury did. I get it. It's aggravating. You know, it's a lot of waiting around. Well, not that he doesn't get VIP treatment.

But if they're at the Bibbidi-Bobbidi boutique, it's not like you could breeze right through that, right? So it's just a lot. I get it. That's stressful, but it's not as stressful seeing your baby. Even though they're grown, being groped on social media for the world. to see. That's a big-ass family, too, where they're all wearing matching yellow t-shirts. And I want to, when I pose this dumb hypothetical, and we'll move on now anyway, but I'm not

putting it in terms of, well, it's Tyson Fury, so they probably get escorted to the front of every line. Take that away. I'm asking you as, you know, as a man, as a possible dad, what would, oh, get you more? Seeing your daughter be groped by a guy that's known to be a douche, that, or a day at Disney. Now, picture if you're not a celebrity, though. I love Disney. No, but the lines, everything about

a day at Disney with seven kids, it's not really a vacation. Your kids have fun, but you know, when parents go to a theme park, when you get home, you need a vacation from it. Yeah, but you know you're doing the right thing in that moment. As stressful and as aggravating as it may be, and as thankless as it may feel, right? Because that's the day when the kids

decide to give you an attitude and you're there at Disneyland, trying to make their dreams come true. You know, in your heart of hearts, you're providing, memories and you're doing your job as a parent. So there's some satisfaction there, even though it's stressful. There's no satisfaction in seeing your kid growing up to be groped publicly. And when you're Jose Canseco and you've created a lot of enemies,

all you did is just give ammunition to all those people to throw at you later on. So that's just by far the worst. And again, in the same breath, we all have to be understanding that our kids grow up and they make their own choices and their own people. but that's still way worse than, you know, spending an aggravating day at Disneyland. There were just two sports headlines I saw. I didn't think either were worthy of like any real conversation

other than, you know, like these both seem like sort of annoying scenarios. What's worse? You be the judge at Kobe and Onrich. And now we move on to championship weekend in the National Football League. I know you got multiple layers to the chiefs and the questions we have. But if it's cool, I want to start with the sentiment of do you like being the Hollywood Hogan, the heel, the devil. Or do you like when everyone's behind you?

Because as predicted, I said any day, now you're going to see that meme where it's like who the country is rooting for. And it's all Buffalo, all bills. And then they show the little dot in Kansas City where it's like, chiefs. And same with the commanders, that little dot. I got to say it for the sake of conversation to be fair and to explore all angles, as we like to do on the show,

all angles here. You're right. Who's rooting for the Chiefs? Mostly Chiefs fans. And that's about it. The rest of the world. Yes, Swifties, and that's a lot. But also people who want to see history.

There's a small little nugget, a small portion of people that actually do want to see history be made. And that would be to three Pete, four of Mahomes. I'm not hating on that, to be honest. Do I want to see it? I'm not saying that's why I'm tuning in, but I wouldn't be mad if I witnessed it. And there's a lot of people that do feel like,

hey, man, I want to see them win three in a row. That's something that's never been done. I'm rooting for greatness. I'm rooting for history. So we do have to acknowledge that little nugget of people out there that exists. I just don't feel like I want to give this chief's team credit, perhaps because my 49ers were two-time Super Bowl victims to the Kansas City Chief. So I'm probably the wrong guy to ask.

Yeah. But when I look at the history books and I see the steel. curtain and some of those great Steelers teams who repeated twice in the 70s leaning into 1980 could never get three in a row. Joe Montana and Bill Walsh in their prime. Dude, when you're doing stuff that Brady couldn't do, you're just paving your own way into the history books. And I respect that so much. When people still find their own little path, that's what I was just in the middle of saying. When I saw as a kid, Joe Montana, unable to accomplish the three-peat before I was born, hearing.

stories of the steel curtain and seeing highlights of those great Steelers teams, couldn't get it done. The Green Bay Packers, when the Super Bowl started, they couldn't get three in a row. Three in a row always seemed impossible. Tom Brady and Belichick in their prime years of their six. And there's so much relying on that, Rich, because it's like, hey, to ever try to do this again, we got to win two more in a row. This is the extra added pressure they have on themselves to make it happen. Like, if we're going to be in the history books, we have to win now. I'm not going to win two more in a row and go for it again. It's now or never when it comes to this.

And it also takes that pressure off of him of trying to surpass Brady or match Brady as far as Super Bowl. Because now he has an accolade that no one else has. There it is. So there's so much riding on this accomplishment, you know. So the fact that he could do something that no one's

ever done before, there's a lot to be said about that. And I think there's a lot of people that respect it. They do, but I feel like I'm in the majority here where you could say it's jealousy. Because There is a little bit of that where I don't want to see these guys do something my team or someone else couldn't deal. You want to see it be stopped. I get it.

It's like, we get it. And it's a boring storyline for a lot of people. Like, all right, the Chiefs won. Woomity do. I feel like we exhausted the Taylor Swift storyline last year. We exhausted the Kansas City got their first ever won back in 2020. We exhausted the, oh, my home's got two. Oh, then he got three.

Now three in a row, making four total. Four total. You're putting him now in the category of, Montana, Bradshaw. Four is insane. Yeah, it's elite territory. We've exhausted the refs. You know what else you've exhausted too?

It's the feeling of we speculated as fans, as radio hosts for another season, only to figure out and find out that the Chiefs won again. All this speculation, all this man, do you think the bills are going to do it? Man, the Ravens are the team. Those commanders do Jane Daniels. All that wasted breath, all that hot air. The Sam Darnold, the Sam Darnel talk, the lions. Just to find out they win again.

It's disheartening a little bit. I get it. It's what I think Rich and I both agree. We like those moments that change history and why we hate repeat matchups so much because this is just, yeah, it feels like it's a waste. Now, the repeat matchup I'd be okay with because it's so long ago, Bill's Washington,

if you remember that was a Super Bowl in the early 90s when we were kids and it's so far removed. We're 30 plus years from that. So I'm not looking at the Bill's logo and the commander's logo and saying, been there. But if I see Eagles, Chiefs, you're right, there's a sense of like,

so we just spent the last months of our lives having all these fun, silly, great conversations about football to just end up here? Like how obvious. How weak. Unless, of course, that's who you're really. rooting for or what you're rooting for. So basically, again, now that we speculate, we get to your phone calls on being the villain, because that's kind of who the chiefs are becoming. You know what?

It's not your team and you're watching it. Do you lean into that or not? You know when you're watching a game and it's not your team, it's very rare that you get emotional, caught up, excited about someone else's team winning. And I feel that I would. have a little of those emotions if Buffalo won. If Buffalo beat Kansas City and goes on to win the Super Bowl and you see those Bill's Mafia fans being all happy and Josh Allen hoisting the Lombardi trophy, I feel like that's a moment where as not a fan of that team,

I'd be like, you know, good for Josh Allen. If Mahomes wins, you're going to be like, ugh, you're going to go pour yourself another drink and be like, all right, we're watching the post game. What are we doing? Again, you're coming from a jaded perspective of being a 49ers fan because you're, when you think about it, it doesn't make that much sense what you're,

rooting for you're rooting for a different team to win it as opposed to history what has more of an impact when all is said and done the historical moment don't we talk about jordan winning three we don't talk about anything else really other than that that that's really the story right we were we were we were too young and i mean not that young i mean in the 90s we were in i was in junior high in high school i don't remember the national sentiment because we were kids and we weren't thinking this way were there a lot of people rooting for Jordan to be shut down, or was he the anomaly that people just loved him so much that, like,

I wonder if we were doing the show now, back then. I don't think people were bored of Jordan. People in New York were rooting for him to be shut down. But other than the hatred from the Knicks fans, like was the national sentiment like, come on Utah Jazz, you got this one.

Like, I don't feel like it was. No, it wasn't. Come on, trailblazers. Clyde the glide, you come on. I don't feel like that. And I also think it depends on how, old you were too because if you were a kid you just love Jordan no matter what but if you were an adult and you were a Knicks fan like you said yeah you're like screw them in their three Pete

but my point is the history is way more impactful than I don't know the bills winning it or something like that right except for their Super Bowl history they have history on the line too because of their four Super Bowl losses oh again that's the heartwarming story that's almost the question in itself. Do you want to see a team like the Bills finally get over that hump? And I want to see him saying to all the, to Scott Norwood, if you're there listening, man. To me, that would be, that would be the better. That would be the better. We want it for you guys. I would be happy for them. Is that better than three in a row? Yeah. To me, that would be the better NFL history to come out of this. So I wish I wish younger players acknowledged some of those sadder moments from the previous

generations. I really do. So question one of our dive into the chiefs in the NFL. Question number one, as a fan, do you like when everyone's behind you? Or do you like when your team and you appear to be, like I said, the villain, the heel, the Hollywood Hogan, the devil, as the quote goes, darling or devil? I can answer that the first question as a fan because I'm a Yankees fan. And I lived all through the 90s and early 2000s being hated on. and I loved every second of it. And it was that feeling of you hate me because you ain't me sort of vibe as a fan. You got that extra strut and confidence.

And I didn't mind people hating on me. What you hate on us because we're awesome. That's great. That's a great feeling to have. I'm the devil. Yeah. I'm the man and you're a loser. That's kind of how you feel about it.

I think playing the role of heel is sort of fun. Think back to the old school wrestling days. I used to like Mr. Perfect and ravishing Rick Rood. Hell you. You know, when macho man was a little bit. a bad guy. Like, there's something to be, that's fun about rooting for the villain. Like, when everyone was against your Yankees or Danny G as a Lakers fan, I'm sure there were plenty of times where people like, oh, the Lakers again, you're like, yo, you ain't us, you know?

I don't know. So the alternative is, I know they're out now, but before the Lions got eliminated, do you think they liked, did a Lions fan like the sentiment that, well, if my team doesn't win, I really want the Lions to pull it out? Do you want that sympathy backing or no? I think the Fans don't mind playing the villain here. But I wonder how the players feel about it. I wonder how Mahomes feels about being, you know, the most likable guy in the NFL to people now rooting against them. Does that just give him extra fuel to the fire?

That's an interesting one, right? And speaking of Mahomes, we're going to discuss this next. And we'll take your phone calls on this. 87799 on Fox. Are you slowly losing a little bit of respect for Patrick Mahomes? Look, the guy's great. He's got a great smile. He's great for football.

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History or breaking up of the history? Yeah, I think most, as I said, the little meme goes. It's on my Instagram now if you want to see it at Rich Davis. It's the map of the U.S. Like, who are we rooting for? And it's all Buffalo bills except for one little thought of like, Chiefs, is a part of me?

that's rooting for history. I like the nice story, but guess what? Life isn't always nice and sweet, and history is good. Dude, do you talk about the Rockets repeating? No, you talk about the Bulls repeating. Like, that puts him in a different category and you're going to look back and you're going to say, man, that was insane. In the moment, I get it, it's a little hateable. Darling or Devil, or you could say, yeah, but now that the narrative has been, man, Mahomes is a flopper. And look at all these calls they're getting. That makes you root against them even more. Well, I'm going to talk about that too.

It's a double-dusy of Chiefs fandom. You bring up, you know, do you root for greatness or not? And the three-peet we saw the Yankees doing baseball, never been done in the NFL. During the break, I was telling Kavino, if you're a kid in the 80s and 90s, the NBA was just all it was was teams trying to go for a three-peat until Jordan was able to do it. If you want to, you know, not to be.

the teams that repeat and you're like, oh, that's sweet. No, but not to be a nerd. Go back to the 80s. And if you want to play the game, it's Lakers, Celtics, Lakers, Lakers, they were trying for a three-peat. Who caught them? The Bulls. Then the Bulls three-peated. Rocket. I'm sorry, Pistons, pistons, Pistons, Bulls, Bulls, Bulls, Rockets, Rockets, Bulls, Bulls, then the one Spurs championship and then Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, so you've seen it in the NBA. So you've got to ask yourself, were you always rooting for those teams to keep winning? Well, unless it's your team, you were like, I don't know.

There is a part of me that's rooting for greatness because, again, that's historic. Kavino and Rich, making history, the world famous CNR, live from the tire rack.com studio. Rapid radios are the walkie talkie for the playoffs. Rapid radio. They're pushed to talk offering national LTE coverage, no subscription ever, perfect for instant contact with your friends. We use them on the show. Go to rapid radios.com now for up to 60% off and free shipping. Nice.

We'll be using them at the Super Bowl. Super Bowl Week and Nolan's. We hope to see you there. At least tune in and check us out. But let's get to the phone calls. Let's get involved. Part two of the question. So again, part one, being the villain.

Darling of the devil. What do you prefer? What do you prefer? Part two, are you slowly losing respect? Or maybe that's too harsh of a word? Maybe you're getting mad at Mahomes. Maybe you're starting to dislike them a little bit. Or do you say, as Big Mike said, you know, Mike who runs this place?

Who? Mike. He looks like Rick from Pond Stars. Looks like an older Stone Cold Steve off. Yeah, you know, Mike. You see him. He has to go tee. He's got a scruff now, kind of. He was saying that, hey, as long as these are the rules, he's smart for leaning into them. Yeah, dude, I'm a big fan of when people take advantage of the system in place. I'm not saying you're not taking advantage of someone if that's the rule.

If Mahomes knows, Rich subscribes, and he really is, he's preaching it. he subscribes to the work smarter not harder mentality yeah convenience the type of guy's like put your head down and work hard like an idiot you know because it reeks of cheap it does and you're not fooling anybody you're not you're not that's like you're fooling me you're not that's like it's like someone's saying cheap no what it's like someone's saying because he's better than that bro just like you're better than that when you cut corners i i i think it's cheap i think it's weak it's working smarter it's like when someone says uh oh wait it's working easier cheaper i'm not gonna well maybe i won't take that tax break you're you You're always looking for the legal shortcut. And remember when Bill Belichick figured a way to really drain the clock? And they eventually had to change like a rule where... Yeah, you're just looking for loopholes instead of looking to be better. And I think Mahomes is better than that. I think the chiefs are better than that.

He's better than flopping, though. That's what I'm saying. That's part of it. Exactly. All right, now, before we get to all the phone calls, again, double doozy of chief-chiefness, let's hear what Troy Aikman had to say about it. Because even the commentators, even Troy Aikman is like, I've had enough of us. Take a listen.

He's trying to draw the penalty. You see that rather than just run out of bounds, he slows down. That's been the frustration, and I get it. I understand it. That's been the frustration for these defensive players around the league. But Patrick Mahomes knows that if I tiptoe along the sideline, I could get, psych! I could get an antsy, aggressive, defensive back to hit me just as I'm going out of bounds.

If I flop below 15 yards. Or hit each other. Like a Popeye cartoon. To me, right? They're crashing into each other. He's playing games out there. I think this is, this is clever. I, it reminds me of one of the things.

Or he's better than that, Rich. Let me go back to, uh, he doesn't need these calls. They don't need these calls. Nobody ever described a LeBron flop as clever. Yeah. Like now you're entering this, this extra critical territory of like, come on. Come on. But you could say in the same breath, like I said, smarter.

for playing into the rules. Aren't you trying to... He's not doing anything illegal. Aren't you trying to play with the game clock? Aren't you trying to win a game within the rules that are set before you? I remember when they first incorporated the pitch clock into baseball. In a spring training game, this wasn't during a regular game, but Max Scherzer was on the Mets at the time.

Have you ever seen this clip? Where he's on the mound and the batter had already used their timeout. They're one opportunity to step out of the box. So then the batter gets in the box. Scherzer immediately comes to the stretch. There's like 20 seconds left on the pitch clock. He waits, knowing that the batter can't step out of the box again. So he has his batter awkwardly just standing there, like clearly knees getting tired.

So it's using the rules to your advantage. And you know what he does? He delivers a strike and the guy was just off because you are finding ways to win with the rules given. Okay, so your thoughts on all of this as we explore and break it down together and figure it out together. 87799 on Fox. Where do you want to start? Question. Do you max out your 401K?

Do I max out my 401K? I do, yes. Do you have an accountant that legally finds all the write-offs that Steve Kavino could use? I do. Do you pay things you don't have to pay? Yeah, like child support and stuff. like that. I'm just saying we all try to find

the ways to to win. And I think Mahomes is just smart for it. There's not millions of people cheering against Covino in his taxes though. Yeah. Okay. Let's go to Andy and Rhode Island. We'll start with him. You're on with CNR. What's up, buddy? Hey, Feizano. Oh,

what's up, man? I'm here. I'm both sides because being a lifelong Louisville fan and Lakers fan, seeing them both you know, create their own history and feel the fatigue that comes around it after your team is so successful for so long, too bad losers, loses. But nonetheless, you know, it's, I'm ruled for the bills, and I'm hoping that, you know, they can come out on top. And to look at Mahomes on the other hand, I feel like, you know, he's kind of, you know, bending the rules.

You know, he's not breaking them. But it is unfortunate because that forces defenders to have to play a different way. And honestly, that takes away from what a defendant is a lot of should be able to do because it's just not fair for them to have to pull up and not hit Mahomes when he's clearly playing the games with him. I think the NFL will make an adjustment because of this. E. Rock and Jersey. What's up, man? What's up?

Well, by the way, hold on. And Rich saying that, you're also saying that they're going to have to make an adjustment because it doesn't seem right. Yeah, a lot of times rules are made. Someone finds a cool loophole and they're saying it's so awesome that Mahomes is doing something that doesn't seem right. He's smarter. He's playing smart.

No, he's playing cheap. He's better than that. What do you think? EROC. Hold on. Hold on. We're going to go to Dan Byers update. E. Rock.

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Man, this show flies because we're having so much fun. I'm sorry, Charlie Murphy. I was having too much fun with Kavino and Rich. The world famous CNN. In fact, I do want to say this to the Fox Sports Radio Nation. Kavino and Rich, still the youngest in the game, celebrating 20 years of doing a show together. And we're going to have a big party in Vegas. and everybody listening is invited.

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to 22nd with a party on the 21st. Right now we're live from the tire rack.com studios. And again, appreciate you hanging out with us. the chiefs. A lot of villainous talk. Hey, chief. Do you like being the villain? If you're the fan of a winning organization, everybody's rooting against you. Do you like being the darling or the devil? And then as far as being villains, somehow the chiefs are sort of building the narrative of they are villains the way they're playing when they don't need to be playing that way.

I mean, not only do they find ways to win. They find ways to draw penalties and flags and everything. And you got to say, that's what people criticize LeBron's game the most for, flopping, cheap. Like, he's the best. He's already the best. Stop with the garbage. And the same with Mahomes. It's like he's better than that.

And I don't want to keep repeating myself. So let's go to the phones. How do you feel about it? Are you losing respect for Mahomes? Is he smart for playing within the confines of the rules? Hold on. Dan Byer, let me just ask you. Was it, I don't know why Kenny Pickett comes to mind.

Who is the college quarterback who looks? Yes. Yes, he can. Kenny Pickett Yes, he can't. He was in college, Kavino, and he's a quarterback, and he was running and did like a, I'm going to slide like a quarterback does,

and then didn't and popped up and kept running, and they were like, yeah, we got to now adjust this. The podcast to do with Mike Harmon, I want your flex. We said last night ago, if there was any play that signifies why they can't be done, it's the Kenny Pickett play. It was egregious, and it went for a 60-yard score, I believe. Yeah. So, I mean,

Mahomes, yeah, is it is it a little, quote, dirty? It's the NFL and you're doing, you're doing a soup-dee, you're doing a psych. Like, come on, that's so corny. That's like backyard football stuff. Just kidding. Let's go to John and Floorado. What's up, John?

Hey, hey, hey, guys. Hey, I want to throw, first of all, villain. I'm an Eagles fan, so I'm definitely a villain, and we're always villain, so. And do you love it? Is that the point? You love it. Yeah, and I love every minute. I hope everybody hates us.

Going to the, Mahomes, I'm going to throw another take at you guys. I think the NFL created this monster because I want to tell you, I watch a lot of football games, and I see things on Mahomes that I see on other quarterbacks, and I don't see the flag. And I'm not being a conspiracy theorist, but this has been going on for a while. No, we all do. Jared Goff was a great example from this past week. I mean, there are, there are, you got crushed.

Chiefs fans like the Nick Wrights of the world that say, look at the stats, the chief are actually penalized more than other teams. No, or not. Let's go to Brian in Augusta. Your thoughts on Mahomes and villain versus hero. What's up, man? What's up, fellas? At this point, I don't even think it matters whether it's hero or villain.

In this day and age, it's about the newest shiny thing. And Mahomes is not the new shiny thing anymore. So we are waiting for the new thing. Like, let's say Jaden Daniels wins in the next couple of years. Okay, so after he wins, who's the next shiny thing after him? It doesn't even matter now. We've got all these options like NBA League Pass and Sunday ticket, where we can watch every game simultaneously.

So we are bombarded with options so we can pick who the new shiny thing is. So Patrick Mahomes, if he wins this year, that's great. Let's move on to, he's old hat. Let's find out who the new tiny thing is. There was a South Park episode back of the day. That's a great point. Remember the Britney Spears episode of South Park where the whole narrative was, we love to build people up, watch them succeed,

and then we're like, all right, enough when we try to break them down. No, it's true because when Jordan was winning three-peats, we weren't as impatient for the next thing as we are now. So there is a feeling of, yeah, maybe we're just getting a little, bored of Mahomes too and his antics. So we'll take the rest of your feedback. Plus, what do you do if your 11-year-old kid

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