The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Mahomes, Rodgers, Browns

Episode Date: October 14, 2021

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Greg CoSell, 15 minutes of pure NFL films. Brilliant. So, we'll be joining us. Joy Taylor, This morning, you know, Joy, I've got, you're younger than me, and you've got a lot more years on the planet, and you still have your beauty. And, you know, as I age, I'm just fighting all of that off, right? Okay. You're fighting all of it off.

It hurts when you get up. You know, food doesn't chew as easily. You know, you go to softer foods. Mashed potatoes and soup now? I've always liked both. So I want to start the show today by talking about I'd love being young. It's fun. You can make a lot of mistakes.

When you're young, you can make a lot of mistakes. And people are like, well, he's in his 20s. You get a pass making mistakes when you're young. But the advantage to being old, and I read a survey recently, and it's not the first time I've read this, they said, who and what group is the happiest Americans? and they were in their 60s. How is that? You lose your hair, not as cool.

Why are 60-year-olds happier? Because they've seen it all before, and they don't overreact because they get a pimple or there's a vaccine or there's a mandate. This is about our eighth vaccine, our 23rd mandate. And most 65-year-olds aren't on Twitter. I read a story this morning about Patrick Mahomes and people are like, what's wrong with Patrick Mahombs?

What is wrong with Kansas City? This is where my age is great. You know what's wrong with him? Nothing. This is what it's like for every quarterback that's ever played the game. It's the roller coaster. Now, if you're great, and Mahomes is, the dips in the roller coaster will not be as severe.

They'll be shorter. It's actually a more boring roller coaster. You know, the Blaine Gabbard roller coaster is probably more fun. But I'll give you an example about Mahomes and he's struggling. Peyton Manning, about as good as anybody that's ever played the position. In year four, number one high school player, great college player, great NFL quarterback, year four, he totally regresses. He has a bad year four. He wins a Super Bowl in 2006, 2007, never gets back to one in indie.

Doesn't win one until he's an old man and wobbling around in Denver. That's how his career went. Russell Wilson, how weird is this? He enters the league, and within a year or two, he has the best defense, Legion of Boom, maybe in 50 years. Now the last two years, he's got the worst defense in the league. Tom Brady had a nine-year stretch. He only got the two Super Bowls, lost both. That's the way the league works.

You know, when I watch the media swoon over Mahomes, yes, he's awesome. And nobody disputes that. He's great. But when I saw them start lining up Super Bowls, I'm like, oh, you must be in your 30s. It doesn't work that way, right? I mean, so much of your success, I tell my kids this all the time, life is 70% reaction, 30% action. At some point, you and me, I've already done this multiple times, you're going to do something unbelievably stupid. It may get you fired.

It'll embarrass you. All right, next day, get up, brush your teeth, take a shower, shake it off, ready to go. Your life's about 70% reaction. You can go find the best actors in Hollywood. 75% of Tom Hanks movies are not hits. He's had like six, seven hits max. He's done 50, 60 movies. Marlon Brando had seven big hits, 15 bombs.

They think he's the best actor of all time. The reality is, even if you're a great quarterback, at some point, your GM, will whiff on a couple of first round picks. You'll have a great coordinator, and he'll end up getting a job somewhere else. The guy your GM hires to replace him won't be as good. You'll have a couple of unbelievable teammates, and then they'll become free agents and leave you. Your division will get really good. A guy named Justin Herbert will fall into your division.

You'll be like, oh, my God. I mean, part of Brady's success, let's be totally honest about this. And we know Tom's great. The dude played in the AFC East, and for years, it won't. point, Peyton Manning was in the division. Then they re-aligned it. The NFL did and sent Peyton Manning out of the division. And he got a bunch of Sam Darnolds and Ryan Tannihill's for 20 years. And then he goes and goes to the NFC South and the Falcons and the Saints. They're rebuilding. The whole division's rebuilding, except Tom's team. So right now, Buffalo and Tampa have

way better players than Kansas City. The Kansas City defense has forced 11 punts in five weeks. It's terrible. Nothing's happening. The advantage to youth is you get a screw up and people don't bury you. That's youth. You didn't know any better. drank too much.

Did this. Can I give everybody a pass? Do that at 55. You lose your job. You lose your legacy. But the advantage to being old is you've seen everything. a hundred times. The country's gone through multiple crises, multiple issues with presidents.

We've been polarized for a long time. In the first time, America's polarized. Oh, it's getting worse. Everything's always getting worse. When I grew up, there was a show called Leave It to Beaver. It was a little funny show you watched after school. It was in black and white. When you go watch Leave It to Beaver, I think it's still on TV land.

It is hysterical to listen to the parents. The mom was Barbara Billingsley. I remember that. And if you listen to the parents, you know what they're saying? They're complaining like people complain now about their kids. The life's terrible. It's unbelievable. It was in the 50s.

Age gives you wisdom. Take a deep breath. Shower, brush your teeth, get your hygiene right. Shake it off. We're fine. Nothing wrong with Mahomes. It's called being an NFL quarterback. By the way, Patrick Mahomes yesterday talked about just exactly this.

Just simplify things. Let's get back to our foundation. You don't want to lose yourself. You don't want to lose the things that you've done so well, so long. But at the same time, I've got to make sure that I'm firm with my fundamentals. I make sure that I stay within the pocket. Same thing every year when you kind of see me get a little off. You've got to go back to the basics and make sure I perfect those things.

And then I think everything else will kind of come along with it. The great news is he's smart and he's coachable, the great golfers, Tiger Woods and his prime. Golf coach, got to work on that swing. The best news for Mahomes, he gets. it. He's coachable. He's not arrogant. He's smart. He'll bounce back. But this is what the job entails. Even for the great ones. So speaking of great ones, Aaron Rogers. So, you know, all affairs start with flirting. Physical flirting, emotional flirting.

I mean, if somebody has an affair, we did not fool around. Well, you were texting, so you were emotionally flirting. It all starts somewhere. So when Aaron Rogers is making googly eyes with Mike Tomlin and talking about the Steelers ad nauseum, you know, planting the seeds of love, right? And so Aaron again, this week, Pat McAfee show starts talking about his offensive line in Pittsburgh. And what do you know? He's talking about the Steelers again.

Here we go. I would like to highlight the offensive. line. I don't think we've done that enough in any of my press conference. Shut out. Just to think about, you know, Yashneeshman playing left tackle, and if you missed it, you might want to go back and check his robot out on Cobby's second touchdown against Pittsburgh. He kind of comes out of the frame out of nowhere and does the robot for about four steps. John Runyon, Jr. has played really, really well for us at Left Guard.

Very proud of him, stepping in and doing a great job. Lucas Patrick, stepping in the center for us. I love Lucas You want some of those guys who are those gritty, hard nose, blue collar, Pittsburgh, you know, tough type of guys. Had to throw in another Pittsburgh compliment. Don't overthink the room. Don't overthink the room.

This is how all a fair start. Number one, Aaron Rogers has told people privately. If I had Brady's defenses, I'd have a lot more Super Bowls. Who always has good defense? defenses. Mike Tomlin's teams. Number two, it's a great time to become a Steeler at the end of this year, the entry point. There's two things you don't want to do in life. Follow Tom Brady in New England or Howard Stern on FM. The Steelers are a proud brand, but they're kind of dying. They need somebody in a cape to save them. Perfect place to enter a great brand.

And number three, I don't know who it is. I don't know how it is. The Steelers draft wide receivers better than anybody in the world. that is too. So when you have a great job, I can speak to this, and you go to another great job, you're not upset with everything. You're just looking for one or two of the things you didn't have at the other good job. When Tom Brady, who had a great job in New England, left for Tampa, heck, he took 80% of New England to Tampa, the discipline, the practice schedule.

but what didn't he have in Tampa? Great weapons and a little more control with the offense. When Aaron goes to Pittsburgh, if but maybe when, he's got a great job. But what are the one or two things he hasn't consistently had in Green Bay? A great defense and a team that will go out and make big moves in free agency, Aminka Fitzpatrick's, they'll do big aggressive things. they always have. Pittsburgh always has.

And he'll get multiple weapons. He doesn't have quite those weapons in Green Bay. But when you have a great job and you leave to another great job, you take about 75, 80% of what you believe to the job. You're just looking for the one or two things you don't have. And what Pittsburgh has always is what Green Bay almost never does. A great defense. And the only time Aaron's had one, they were ranked number two in the league.

He won a Super Bowl. So it's going to happen. I really do. I don't even think there's a number two. I think Pittsburgh's the number one. Denver's a shaky two and that's it. Good stuff today. Greg CoSell 50 minutes from now.

My buddy Ryan Rosillo, Mark Sanchez, stops by today. We are absolutely packed. I got to share some amazing numbers with you. And it kind of blew us away this morning. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Really upset. And then you look back five or six years later and you're like, oh my God, I'm sorry. So lucky that company was crazy. The boss was crazy. My boss was terrible. That's why it's like another good job will come around the corner. We all have these moments where we're really angry because we don't get something we want. But the truth is, if you're a player, you'll succeed.

You'll get another job. You'll be fine. And jobs are never as good as you think. It's about how good do you make the job, not the job itself. No job itself is great. It's what you make the job. So when Bill Belichick drafted Jimmy Garoppolo in 2014, he saw that he thought Brady was, this was the end was near. He drafted him in the second round.

This was not a fourth round pick. By 2015, 2016, he was ready to move off. They were ready. And Robert Kraft stepped in and said, no, Tom stays Garapolo gets traded. So Belichick was not happy. It's the greatest thing that's ever happened to Belichick's legacy. Let me explain it. So I was reading some stats on Tom Brady, and these are like next generation stats, the stuff that like baseball is obsessed with.

We don't talk a lot in football, thank God. But they're fascinating. Brady right now has the longest air distance pass of the year, the fastest pass thrown this year, the fastest top speed next generation era. He leads in a lot of these analytic numbers that are like bizarre. because, you know, he's 44 years old. And Brady winning a Super Bowl after Bill, it doesn't ruin Bill's legacy. We consider Bill a genius and Tom Amazing.

I mean, Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl after the Colts. We don't crucify the Colts for it. Like, we know that quarterbacks get old, Walsh moved off Montana. But Tom Brady, with these numbers, you're seeing, what if he has four more years left and keeps crushing? I mean, he's won 12 of 13 games. Half by blowout. In fact, I think seven by blowout.

So when New England drafted Garoppel in 2014, by about 2016, they were ready to make the move. And Kraft said you can't do it. So just from 2014 alone, I'm going to give you Brady's numbers. This is when New England saw erosion and we're getting close to moving. off him. Since then, he leads the NFL and passing touchdowns,

wins, Super Bowls, and passing yards. He's first in all of them. All of them. Mostly, easily. Like, wins, he's 21 more than anybody else. That's Russell Wilson. So, just think about this. Had Kraft not stepped in, and Belichick moved off Brady in 2015, 2016, and Tom goes somewhere and has this success for 10 years, not

one like he's had now or potentially two or three. But Brady had literally another decade of great or another eight years. I think we'd view Belichick differently. We'd look at him as really lucky to have Tom and a crazy silly old man. I think we would look at him differently. You'd let go of Tom with nine years left? How can you whiff that badly? Now I think we go, greatest coach, greatest quarterback. Hey, you got to move off all these guys eventually. But you start looking at these next-gen stats and where Brady's at. Brough, it's like four years left from now? He's won 12 to 13?

I do wonder if it's the classic I wanted to do something. A superior or a boss wouldn't let me. I'm really, really mad. Belichick should think his lucky stars that craft the global visionary stepped in and said, nah, I think we got the right guy. Let's keep him for about five more years. Because I don't think we look at Bill the same.

If Brady had gone somewhere in 2016, and chopped it up until now and is still the greatest, Belichick would look more like a silly old man, like a silly old outdated man, who didn't even know the future of his best player. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Kyrie Irving will not be with the Nets for the foreseeable future due to his decision not to get vaccinated. Yeah. And now the organization could be moving off. of him completely. Sham Shirani, I was reporting that the Nets have not had contract talks with Kyrie for or his camp for a while, and the team will not be offering Kyrie a contract extension moving forward, but Kyrie is standing firm in his decision and spoke about it for the first time

yesterday. Okay. You think I really want to lose money? You think I really want to give up on my dream to go after a championship? You think I really just want to give up my job? you think I really just want to sit at home and not go after the things with my teammates that I've been able to grow with, to learn with, to learn that it takes sacrifice in this space. You think I want to give up my livelihood because of a mandate because I don't have accommodations because I'm unvaccinated. Come on. You know, I actually thought, as I heard that, I thought it's a, it actually helps Brooklyn because now he's more tradable.

Like when you hear he's going to retire, it's like, I'm not, I'm not getting, yeah, that's good point. But when I heard that, I was like, oh, now Brooklyn can move off him. Yeah, that's good point. So, and like, Brooklyn's going to move off him. You know the other thing that was really interesting? James Hardin was asked about Kyrie Irving yesterday. He goes, I've never talked to him. And I thought to myself, if you were going through a crisis and somebody said, six-week crisis, and I said, I haven't talked to Joy. It's like, oh, then you and I don't get along, because you and I talk all the time. Right. So if you're going through a crisis or I am and somebody said, how it's calling. You're like, I haven't talked to him six weeks. We ain't tight. Like when James Hardin's like, I haven't talked to him? Yeah, I thought that was very telling

as well. I think Kevin and James have decided. I thought that was telling about where, well, the fact that the Nets have decided not to keep him in this halfway space, I do not believe that Hardin and KD were not solicited in that conversation. Of course they were told. That and asked how they felt about it. That's right. So that being the situation with the Nets. was the first tell that they are, like, we are ready to go on and try and win a championship. He can do what he wants. Then Hardin's saying that,

that makes a lot of sense. But to your point, him saying that he still wants to continue playing is a big, it's positive. Absolutely. And you know what? KD. and Hardin are smart veterans.

I could almost guess what they're saying. Brough, we don't have that many years left. We got to, we're not in this thing to play around. No. And, like, that's the biggest thing with this, because there's so much conversation. around the Kyrie situation.

And it's like, you know, why does everyone have an opinion about Kyrie? Like probably because he's a star in the league that we cover and get paid to give our opinions about on a team with two of the other biggest stars in that league. They're a favor to win the championship. Yes. They'd be like Kansas City is not talking chiefs. Of course you're talking chiefs. Of course you're going to talk about it. And we have injury reports every single week.

So this is not a privacy thing. No one is going to vaccine jail. So listening to him talk about, you know, mandates and do you think I want to give it up? Yes, you do want to give this up because it is a choice that you are free to make. So when people start talking about freedoms, you fundamentally don't understand what that word means. You have freedom of choice. You have freedom of speech. You do not have freedom from consequences.

That is not how the universe works. If I choose to drink this coffee, I might have to use the restroom in an hour. That's how choices work. So there's not this fantasy world where you can just do whatever. you want and nobody is allowed to react to it. I always said, I have freedoms, sort of my bosses and they're richer than me. Like at Fox, I have to get vaccinated. I do have the freedom not to, but my boss is, is, has a billionaire, and then he has, he has choices too, and I can't come in the building. So we all have freedoms, but there are limitations to the billionaire and the commissioner

have freedoms too, and the freedom is to say, you can't come in the building. So we all have freedoms. Every choice has a consequence. Positive, negative, neutral. You have a right. My, my, kids could drop out of high school. My son could. But I would say to him, you're going to be less successful, have fewer options in life. But if he decided not to go to high school, I can't drag him by the hair there. There's a choice, but he's thankfully smart, you know, smarter than dad. But the point is, you can do a lot of things even as a kid, but there'll be consequences for him. It just the frustrating, look, whatever my opinion about what Kyrie is doing is really irrelevant. Because when it comes down to talking about actual basketball, the bottom line is

he cares more about grandstanding for this fantasy community than he does about winning a championship. That cannot be argued no matter what side you're on. Because if it was your number one goal in life, you would do whatever it is it takes to be available for your team. And Kyrie has prioritized this Reddit group over winning a championship. And that's his choice to make. And it's our opinion that that is a mistake. Maybe that's not what Kyrie's priorities are. And that's completely fine. And the most frustrating thing about this to me, is Kyrie really does a lot of great things in the community. Yeah. And a lot of great things for other people. And all this is being overshadowed by this

idea that there's this this oppression happening when we're in a global pandemic. And you're speaking to people, don't even understand that there's an entire world outside of the United States that's also being affected by COVID. And this is not an American government conspiracy. Well, yeah, there's 209 countries in the world and they're all going through it. No, no, no, no. It's all about the government. The bottom line is it's not about him being selfish. It's about him choosing to not be available. And he is free to make that choice.

He is not speaking to you from vaccine jail. So O'Dell is back healthy with the Browns, but he still hasn't been a big part of the offense. Last week against the Chargers, he was only targeted three times. Two catches for 20 yards, but Kevin Savansky says O'Dell still has a future in the team's plans. I kind of look at each game and what we could, what do we have to do to win?

what do we need to do to go score a bunch of points? As I've mentioned before, he's a dynamic football player. He's very front of mind when we're game planning, when we're calling plays. Sometimes the defense dictates that the ball goes elsewhere. And we're comfortable with that because we have good players elsewhere. Well, he's not going to be there for long. I will say this. I saw a video on the interweb yesterday of Odell Beckham against the Chargers, had a block.

It was the best block by a wide receiver. he laid a charger out. So I'll say this. Say what you want about Odell. He's giving you effort. No, I... He's giving you a big effort. I think we both are on the same page with Odell.

He's talented. That he... He has done his part to be... To buy into what the Browns were doing. Totally. He's been available. But he's been there. He's been a good soldier in this entire situation, which really hasn't lived up to what

people expected it to be. And I don't think that it's Odell's fault or Baker's fault. Most trades don't in all sports. Like most trades, the fantasy, but what do they say? 33% of NFL free agents hit. And forget draft picks. Those guys are already in the league.

So you already know they're good and 66% of them don't hit. So it's like it just always felt like this was a forced situation. I totally agree. It just never felt right. So the Bucks and Eagles kickoff week six tonight on Fox, but Tampa will be missing some key pieces. Gronk will miss his third straight game. linebacker Levanti Davis and

Levante David and Antoine Winfield Jr. are also listed as out. Philly is only expected to be missing tackle Lane Johnson. I know I love football because I can't wait to watch this game and it's the Super Bowl champs against the team that may finish last and I can't wait. I know I love football. Well, it's an interesting game.

The Eagles have the sixth ranked offensive line this season according to pro football focus. So Jalen Hertz is getting good protection. The Bucks have the number one rush defense, but they have the worst past defense this season. So there's some interesting battles in this game. FoxBed has the Bucks favored by six and a half. Look, anytime Tom Brady is playing,

it's going to be an interesting game. But I think this might be a little, this might be a closer game than people think. I don't think you're wrong. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News.

The Ringer, Ryan Rusillo podcast. It's fantastic. You should listen. He's joining us now, Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. All right, so here's the thing, is that a lot of you young reporters, you kids, I'm an old guy. I look at Mahomes and I'm like, yes, the way it works. All these guys are up and down.

I mean, Russell Wilson entered the league with the greatest defense ever, now they can't tackle. Like, it's just the way the world works. I don't think Mahomes, I mean, I guess I'll ask you, he's a little sloppier, is he trying to do too much? In your opinion, do you think he is trying to overcome an egregiously bad defense? defense. Yes, I do, because this defense is so bad historically. I went through 20 years. I'm serious. Like right now, I think they're allowing 7.1 yards per play by the opponent. And I went through 20 years of data because it's not tracked all the way back and no one's been worse. So, you know, third in the season, you could argue statistically we've never seen a defense performance poorly

as the Chiefs are. So I think when I'm watching him, just like you are, like I'll notice little things with the homes. You know, one of the crazy things about him, if you watch him at Texas Tech, you're like, okay, big arm, this kid's incredible, but why is he making some of these throws? And he knew because they were giving up like 60 points every week in the 12. So I wasn't sure about him as a prospect, like a lot of other people were because I couldn't understand the decision-making.

And then when you learn more about Mahomes, you're like, actually, this guy's brilliant. He knew he had a force issue all the time because of how Texas Tech's defense was. Now, it's not, I wouldn't say we're at that point right now with the Chiefs that Chris Jones didn't play last week. They were missing another starting corner. I mean, the defense can't be this bad,

but I do feel like there are moments. I was talking with Dilfer about it this week on my show, and I know you had him on as well, where he's so amazing as a loose player that some guys are loose and you're like, hey, tighten it up a little bit. This is the loosest I think I've ever seen him. But I think there's also now another rush to be like, wait, what's going on? I heard you doing it a little bit this week,

where it's like, maybe I'd like Herbert. Let's not lose our minds here. He's still the best quarterback in the NFL, and nobody's, I wouldn't take anyone to be surpassing him anytime soon. Yeah. By the way, I will say this. Herbert is really, really good, and it's cool that they're both in the same division. I've said before, the mantle, the rings. Mahomes gets that. Do you think there's an argument to be made? If you and I were to start today, we went out for a beer, we wrote down the 10 best quarterbacks, you start looking at Lamar. Boy, he's moved up a lot of slots recently. And I do think Herbert were waiting to annoy him.

And I'm like, I'm watching him, Ryan. He's really sensational now. Like where, I mean, how far back is Herbert for Mahomes, in your opinion? I still think Mahomes is in his own tier. I mean, that's how special I think he is. And, you know, I was listening to your open on Monday, all sorts of anticipation. I got to bed early just to make sure I'd be up for it. And I was listening to you kind of, you know, like there's a rule in how we'll do, you know,

hey, Bama could have way less titles. You know, they could also have more, too. You know, when you ever you look at Belichick and Brady with the Patriots, you go, you know, they could actually have a lot less. Okay, they could also have more if a couple Giants' plays don't go that way. So when you were talking about Mahomes, you were like, you know, they've been outplayed in all the Super Bowls. You know, if you really start thinking about it, yeah, but we're also an off-sides away from this guy being in three straight Super Bowls. You know, that also could have happened. So I think whenever you're doing that exercise,

you also have to pivot it the other way. And even though I love what Herbert's done, and Lamar, I mean, this week, you're going to be kidding me. I mean, he was one of my favorite guys that ever watched in college, the way he took over a game and the way that we've been critical of, hey if Lamar gets down can he really carry you back well he did it again it was the Colts but that's another part of the test for him and being in that top tier but as far as it stands right now I'm still not even willing to put anyone in my home's class you know I was saying this when I used to live in Connecticut and Ann and I my wife we went on a lightning storm we would go outside and you know I I didn't grow up in the exciting times it was well it's Connecticut but I didn't grow up in a state with

lightning and so I'd never seen like these electrical storms and I said they're a little like Lamar Jackson I don't know how great he is, but I don't know how great lightning is, but it's the best weather, because you can sit and watch it, fascinating to sit and watch it. You don't know how it's going to end. It is just like art, and you're like, in the end, you're like, who, what, I can feel it. And Lamar Jackson, I don't know where to rank him, but I can't take my eyes off him. He is the most electric player. I think I've seen in 10 years. I don't even know how to describe him. Yeah, Lamar, what was always amazing about him in college, too, is he is he is,

that he would do some kind of QB keeper. And we'd be talking like at the one yard line, right? So everybody's bunched up, it's goal line set, and he would just take one step this way, and everybody would freak out, and he would be untouched on a QB keeper at the goal line. I mean, his make you miss, and we're not talking about the smallest guy here.

You know, De Anthony Thomas was somebody at Oregon when he was in college. I go, I don't think I've ever seen anyone get a clean hit on him. Now, I would put, for as much as we're talking about Lamar here and the excitement, because I'm in total agreement, and he may be the most important player in the entire NFL to his team success. But Kyler Murray's doing some things as well physically that, you know, I agree with you on Lamar, but I'd have to put Kyler Murray in that group with him. You know, it's interesting.

I talked to Steve Kime, the GM, this week, and I said, you literally pivoted off a coach and a quarterback in one year. Nobody does that. And I asked him, I said, when did you know Kyler was great? What was the moment on film? And he talked about a play against Alabama. Second half, he threw off one foot. and he's like, I got up from the tape and I'm like, all right, we're going to draft him. I mean, literally there was a play.

He's like, he goes, I've been a scout forever. I never seen anything like it. The Kyler thing, do you worry at all that he runs so much, and he's smaller? Anything you worry about with him? Well, of course, because when you look at the shoulder injury last year, I think their offense, and they were two different teams, and I think a lot of that had to do with his injury. But the one thing that I do love about him, and I'll even use Saturday's examples, right, because you've watched a lot of college ball.

I think a lot of the quarterbacks grow up with really clean pockets. They get rid of the ball quicker. They're not facing chaos as much as maybe they would have in previous generations. And when I'm watching somebody kind of roll out to the right, they feel a little pressure and they roll out to the right. And you can already tell they have no plan, right? They're waiting for the guy to get free at the sideline or they're going to try to run it for three or four yards because half of the field is now completely out of the play because they felt a little

pressure, pressure and they rolled out. And we see it on Sundays too, you know, with some of the younger guys, they roll out without much of a plan. Kyler rolls out, Colin, and then he resets himself almost in the play and keeps the field wide open. He resets himself and they'll get back up into whatever version of the pocket still even exist. And I think that's actually really rare for some of the guys that have his physical abilities. You know, the best, the reason we're seeing teams go for on fourth down, the reason we're seeing so many aggressive teams offensively is because we just have a better athlete now across the board playing in the NFL.

But as we know, the running part is nice, but eventually they're going to, to carry your team over the course of a full season and deep and hopefully into a Super Bowl, you've got to figure out how to still beat people out, you know, whether it's a rolling pocket or staying in the pocket. And I see things with Kyler as a young guy where I go, you know, he's already figured that part of it out. He's rolling out with a plan where other guys roll out with no plan. You know, with Baker Mayfield, final question, I'm a little critical of him. So I'm going to hand this to you. It's not the third and 10, the more I thought about it. It's not the run play. It's with a minute 26 left and no timeouts.

you didn't understand the value of the sideline, the value of going downfield. I really do think the general manager has a decision to make Ryan, and I look at some of his late game stuff, and I think it's bad. I think that drive really hurt him. I really do. Your thoughts. Yeah, I'd agree. I mean, the numbers back you up as well.

It was one of the first things I looked at with the game this past weekend, where I go, what's going on with him? Because I've watched a bunch of the games where I go, what are his numbers in the fourth quarter? And if you look at the completion percentage in the QB rating, it's gone down on the fourth quarter. Now, is that who he is? I'm not willing to go there, but that's who he's been to this point. He had some possessions late against the Chiefs, or it's like, look, we need more than three and out.

And it happened again last weekend where it's like, you know, even though they're putting up a ton of points and it's hard to argue with the Browns as an offensive product in that shootout, but there were some late possessions there where I think it was, you know, 20-something yards on eight plays in the final two possessions of three minutes to go. So he's going to fix that for this team to be as good as we think they can be. And as far as the GM, you know, a lot of times when you're paying for quarterbacks, it's an insurance policy. It's not so much that you believe in the guy.

It's that you believe there aren't better options. Right. So I think the contract will come down to what the guaranteed money is because the overall headline on this deal is going to be a massive deal. It probably will be because that's how it works. It's the timing of the quarterback deals, not necessarily who the quarterback is. If I said Ryan Rosillo, one minute on the clock on Kyrie Irving, where would you take it? One minute on Kyrie Irving.

All right. Let me do this. I saw the video like everybody else did. I could go through every line here and talk about the things where he contradicts himself. You know, he'd said that he was promised all these things. The NBA couldn't promise him anything. This is a New York City thing. So I don't understand that part of it.

I also think this is a curious pivot because I think it's somewhat tactical where he's saying he's a voice for the voiceless and it's not even necessarily about the vaccine. I think he got beat up so much that he was like, okay, now I've got to figure out some new concept to get everybody back on my side. He said, don't pay attention to everything. Well, he clearly hasn't paid attention to anything because he himself is, said, I couldn't believe this is, you know, I can foresee this coming. I wasn't able to prepare. Where have you been to last year and a half? All right? Like, we're all dealing with something here.

Now, granted, if his choice is that he doesn't want to get vaccinated, then he doesn't have to play. I mean, it's that simple. But I think there's a part of him that he seems to enjoy this, this, like, almost martyr status where, you know, why is it always about me? Why is this all on me? Hey, the reason we care about you is because you're awesome at basketball and you're on a team that could potentially win a championship. And you're so talented and the team is, so good and now that changes the story with your availability and that's what we do these are the rules you know i know it's not always fair and he said something we're like we don't even have to play basketball we spending more time with our family it's a pretty good gig i'm sure you know it's

it's not a bad gig uh if he wants to walk away from 200 million that's his choice that's fine like i'm not even you know it's not personal i'm not even emotional about it all it's just that there's always a moment where i'll have where i feel like okay are you if you're trying to prove to me how enlightening you are and you're not doing a good job, there's going to be a level of where I, I probably am stuck. I'll just stop listening to you. Yeah, that was more than a minute, but I really liked that. I enjoyed that completely from beginning and to end. I knew. There was no way. Yeah. Minutes unrealistic. Ryan Rishel, the ringer, good seeing you, buddy. Thanks, Colin. You bet. Yeah, like that,

that's my thing. I think the big thing with Kyrie, my takeaway was when he said, what do you think I'm going to retire? My whole takeaway was, oh, I can trade him now. Yeah, that was that, that's the silver lining of whatever the rest of that was. That's right. I can trade it. Now, now he's telling the audience, I'll play. Oh, he's got value now. Now, I'm not going to get much back because there's a little crazy town, but I can still trade him.

If a guy says I'm retiring, you're trapped. Yeah. I'm not trapped anymore. I'm Brooklyn. I'm not trapped anymore. I think they can win a title with Katie and Hardin and a good bench. I really do. Patty Mills, get another bench guy for Kyrie.

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I would have moved off of very quickly. Ben Simmons with a Sixers, I was talking about this two years ago, Kyrie in the Nets, I was talking about last year, and Odell Beckham and the Brown, I've been on for two years. I think sometimes we, as a country, as a people, we don't consider fit. We're all into talent. In the NFL, it's understood. Talent's part of the equation.

Do you fit our scheme? Do you fit our locker room? Do you fit our offense? Like, fit is a big part of the NFL. Like, there's just certain players that fit certain places. NBA is different. You got talent, we'll figure it out. And that's why you get these weird relationships where guy doesn't want to play for a coach

or a team. Football has always been sort of about fit. unless you get a great quarterback, then you figure out how everybody fits around him. But by and large, like Odell Beckham was always kind of a weird fit in Cleveland. Ben Simmons and Embed, it was a weird fit. Kyrie with a round planet apparently is a weird fit. He's a flat earther. So in my life, I've always had two rules.

My core belief in my entire life as a human being comes down to two things. One, we all make a bunch of mistakes. I know, I know, I know, I know. On Twitter, nobody ever does. But the rest of us, we make a bunch of mistakes. I make them all the time. Two, the key to that is you've got to be adult enough to move and pivot and admit the mistakes and move off them and fix them. So one, we all make mistakes.

Two, be adult enough. Nobody can on Twitter. To admit the mistakes, own it and just fix them. And so I think with Ben Simmons, Odell, and Kyrie, there's this weird man thing, this GM thing or this, I'm going to make it work. there was data from the very beginning with Odell Beckham and Cleveland and Baker. It didn't work. And I said this before. I saw this with Dak Prescott and Des Bryant.

When you have a young quarterback like Baker Mayfield, he's trying to impress people. And then you give him a superstar wide receiver. And remember how big Odell Beckham was when he first came to Cleveland, right? He's off the one-hand catch. Paris models, blah, blah, blah. Baker, and I'm not blaming Baker at all. I would have done the exact same thing. Baker is new in the league.

It's a losing franchise. Here comes superstar Odell. And he's trying to force the ball to. Odell. Dacked did the exact same thing to Des Bryant. Oh, I got to make him happy. And now, Odell's not like Des. Des come and yells at you, throw the ball to me.

Odell is a little more passive than that. But this didn't work because I think it's very difficult when you get a young quarterback. You give him, I mean, forget a great football player, like a superstar. In a losing culture, and you think that Baker's not going to favor O'Dell Beckham. Well, the truth is Jarvis Landry runs better routes. and is more dependable, and he and Baker work way better together than Odell and Baker. And it's weird, and I know nobody wants to believe it. But listen, we all make mistakes, be adult enough, and pivot off them.

Like, I think the Ben Simmons thing should have happened two years ago, the Kyrie thing, they should have moved off him last year and the Odell thing. Listen, there's a lot of areas Cleveland does not need help. Offensive lines great. Running back is great. But you could make an argument. I would trade. you know, you could move off him, get draft picks.

Your salaries don't have to match in the NFL when you do trades. You can just get yourself some draft picks because if you do pay Baker Mayfield, you got to get, you got to hit on some draft picks, right? Because you got to be cheap somewhere like Dallas. You got to hitting some CD lambs and Trayvon Diggs and Michael Parsons when you pay DAC the big money. So I just don't think it works. I can't quite figure out why it works.

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