The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Mayfield, Rodgers, Pippen

Episode Date: November 4, 2021

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Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. So nice to be here with Joy Taylor. Joy is doing some stuff on TikTok that deserve recognition. It looks like so much work. I'm just like every time I see your TikTok videos, I'm like, they're so smartly done and edited. And I ask you this morning, do you do those? I thought you had a staff or something, and you did. How long does that take?

It took a little while. You know, the thing about TikTok is, I don't know what I'm doing, you know, because I, you know, I look ravishingly young, but I am, in fact, a middle-aged woman. And you've got to find your own way on TikTok. Like, I'm not doing those dances in that ridiculous nonsense. But I got to say these TikTokers making all this money. They're doing work. They're not just laying around on their couch.

It's hard. One hour from now, Greg Kossel, if you bet football, You play a fantasy football. You just love to get smarter with football. Greg Kosel 15 minutes makes me smarter every week. He'll join us. So in Cleveland yesterday, and this is really interesting, it's everybody's blaming everybody. And that's, you know, what people tend to do.

Fingerpile. That's your fault. You're the reason. Your fault. And I said with Baker and OBJ. I don't care. Whatever. I'm not into that.

The bottom line is it's the biggest game of the year for Cleveland. and your team's got a total distraction and distraction. And Cincinnati is totally focused after getting beat by the jet. So you're going to get Cincinnati's best game at home of the year. And Cleveland's a mess. But it is interesting. Tom Brady, 22 years. And he's never had a problem with a wide receiver.

Baker Mayfield's first star receiver implodes. Colin, you said you weren't going to blame Baker. Don't get defensive. I'm not blaming him. But it's the reality of Baker. I'm not saying it's Baker's fault. It's the reality of Baker. Baker is combative.

Good God, folks. I warned you about OBJ and you didn't listen. I told you it wasn't going to work in Cleveland. You didn't listen. I've been warning three years with Baker. Brady's got a chip on his shoulder, but it never gets the best of him. Baker's got a chip on his shoulder. About half the time it gets the best of him.

he calls out the Cleveland Medical Staff. He called out Duke Johnson's salary. He had to be told by the front office. Stop responding to cowherd on social media. That's a fact. And now this blows up. I'm not blaming he's combative. In Kansas, he once got into an argument during a coin flip.

He did, you know, offensive gesture. Some would say offensive in college to the opposing sideline. He's combative. He's turbulent. A lot of people have chips on their shoulders. Brady 22 years never lets it get in the way. And this is something what I'm about to say here is I've always said, Baker always has to win the press conference.

He's always got to be snarky. He's always got to have the final word. And people like that usually have no self-awareness, right? Like they just don't get. They think they're saying stuff and it won't land and it's not punitive and it won't come back to bite them. You're always better off to take the high road. And a lot of you can just blame OBJ.

But we all knew, Joy knew, I knew, Ryan knew, you knew, anybody listening to me, you all knew, OBJ can run a little hot. Dak Prescott knew that Des ran a little hot. And Russell Wilson knows that D.K. Metcalf can run a little hot. And Tom Brady knows that A.B. can run a little hot, a little emotional. So they change. Dak changes. Russell Wilson senses that. Tom Brady senses that.

Pays a little more attention. Going to take one for the team, not trying to win the argument. When you're in a relationship as a franchise quarterback or not with somebody that's emotional, that's okay. It's a human quality. Joy, my family. We all got somebody in the family. Runs a little hot.

Bring the temperature down in the room. But Baker doesn't have a second gear. Baker's always got to have the final word. Baker's always got to be combative. Baker's got to call out the medical staff. He's got a coin flip against Kansas. When you're Oklahoma, you have to get into an argument with Kansas. What do they win a game a year?

He just has one gear. Snark, combative, chip. And in this instance, he's talking yesterday, I thought we got along great. Yeah, because the guy who always has to win the argument never really has the self-awareness to understand you're aggravating. By the way, I told you last year on this show, we have it archived. I told you, OBJ wasn't in the Baker. So I knew it, but Baker didn't.

How did he not watch the New York stuff? OBJ is great. Run's a little hot. Dak had a receiver. Run a little hot. Brings the temperature down. Randy Moss, A, B for Brady. So bring the temperature down.

That's your responsibility. as a leader to be able to work with all sorts of, and I don't know why it is the wider receiver position. I've talked about this before. Maybe it's because they break the huddle first. You know, they're the playmakers on most teams. But they, you know, wide receiver sometimes, they're not all Larry Fitzgerald. They're not all Julio Jones. Some guys want the ball, demand the ball. They get frustrated more quickly. That's okay. Your job is to make it all work, is to have a second gear, is to sense the temperature in the room. It's not a blam. on Baker. It's a reality on Baker. He's combative with the media, with me, with Duke Johnson,

with the medical staff, with Kansas. That's what he is. So if you're flying on Baker Mayfield Airlines, you're just always going to have more turbulence. The good pilots, the good quarterbacks can move around the turbulence. Baker, we're going right at it, baby. That's who he is. It's not blame. It's the reality of his personality. This Aaron Rogers thing is, boy, it's interesting, right? And what a shock. I'm leading with Baker and Aaron Rogers. It's interesting for a lot of reasons. So the NFL, and I'll read this verbatim, right? I don't want to get this messed up. The NFL is looking into these protocol enforcements with the Packers. is that, you know, there's a lot of speculation now that Aaron was in places he shouldn't have been without a mask.

In August, Rogers told reporters he'd been immunized, but protocols require Rogers now to spend minimum 10 days away from the team. That means you're going to miss Kansas City, and he'll be available to come back at the earliest a day before Seattle. Well, then forget it. I mean, good luck playing the Seahawks, the desperate Seahawks with one day to prepare. It could get worse. the NFL absolutely could step in here and go, listen, you broke protocols. You're out for the Seattle game and one more. So Albert Breer talked about this this morning on Fox Sports Radio.

This, though, I think it's going to test a few things, right? Because I think that when you look at where some of the rules were broken, and everybody is sort of complicit in it, right? Because the Packers knew the rules, the league knew the rules, Aaron knew the rules. I think when the finger pointing commences on this, because it's going to start at some point. Who's back to the Packers have, right? And are the Packers going to depend themselves or the Packers going to close ranks with Aaron Rogers? I think the way all of that plays out could certainly have an effect on what happens in February and March

when we're figuring out whether or not Rogers is going to be on the team in 2022. Now, we always know with stories like this, a lot of the information comes down the road. a book about it. Aaron Rogers and the Packers will be a book. Seth Wickersham will probably write that book. But there'll be stuff that comes out. So what I'm wondering today is something I don't know. But I'm just going to throw it out there because I'm an opinionist.

Green Bay knew he was unvaccinated. And because of the turmoil in the summer and because Aaron has been dramatic and prone to passive aggressive shots at the franchise, did Green Bay just let it go because they were walking on eggshells because they didn't want to tick Aaron off? And because the summer was so, you know, ugly and bumpy, did Green Bay know it and say, let's just get through this? Let's just support Aaron now. And that is the downside to being highly dramatic and highly emotional. Like I said, Brady's got a chip. It never affects him.

Baker's got a chip. It affects him daily. Aaron's got a chip. We know that. he's starting to be closer to Baker than he is to Brady, which is it now affects him and affects people around him. Where the Packers so concerned about walking on eggshells with Mr. Sensitive and Mr. unhappy that they just sort of broke protocols and said, let's just get through it, let's just

keep him happy, we're playing well. I don't know the answer to that. But it's interesting. Sally Jenkins is a great sports writer, and she had a great, she had a column yesterday, or maybe it was this morning. And let me read this. She said, obviously it's Roger's choice, whether it's. get Vax, but he's not entitled to free wheel on this matter. He's a supposed leader who takes up

an ungodly amount of salary space, and he audibly sulked over the Packers decision to draft his possible successor, Jordan Love. This is where it's interesting. How does a quarterback make people believe in him, not just by throwing it beautifully on the run? Trust is the number one thing in authenticity and leadership. Sally Jenkins quotes, the renowned personality profiler and leadership expert Robert Hogan. Robert Hogan said, the most surprising thing he's learned in his research is that 75% of the leaders

alienate people with the way they communicate, yet hardly recognize their effect. Among the mistakes they make up lying to others and thinking, others don't see their lies. Keep your word. Everything else pales by comparison. Now, we don't know if teammates of Aaron knew. We don't know if he is lying to them or the Packers. I got to believe they kind of knew, right? People had to kind of know despite Aaron sort of manipulating and massaging the words in the summer. But I think my number one question in this, and I don't have an answer. every person listening to this show and watching this show has somebody they work with or somebody

in their family that tends to be prone to outbursts and very sensitive. And how do you act around them? He always walking on eggshells. Did the Packers, because of Aaron's dramatic summer, walk on eggshells, no Aaron was breaking protocols and just thinking, God, let's just get through it. Let's just, crap, we're playing well. Let's just appease Aaron and that is the downside to being offended daily, emotional weekly, passive aggressive shots at the organization.

Everybody's just trying to appease Aaron. Did the organization go a step further and break rules? I can't wait to learn about that. I don't know. I'm reading as much as I can. But leadership constitutes a lot of things. Sometimes it's not talking. Sometimes it's emotional discipline.

And it's always authenticity. All right. Bill Simmons, by the way, was on our show yesterday. Simmons, I was encouraged. Before I get to that, I was very encouraged. Most of the American sports media has been a valet for Aaron Rogers, parking his quotes for years and playing to Aaron's neediness. I have not, of course.

Bill Simmons has also been occasionally willing to say, Yeah, yeah, some of this is occasionally on Aaron. Here was Simmons yesterday on our show on Aaron. I think Rogers is a diva. I think he's been a diva the last couple of years. I thought the way he handled this whole offseason was very diva-ish. He didn't seem like a team first guy to me. I didn't understand it.

I didn't understand why he chose the week of the NFL draft to blow it up into an even bigger story. And to me, he just seemed like a classic narcissist the last year where everything was somebody else's fault. He took no responsibility. He honestly seemed to think he was going to be the Jeopardy host, which was insane. They were never making him the Jeopardy host. So when you throw in everything today, it's like, yeah, that's on brand for what we've seen. Interesting stuff from a smart guy. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

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Simplysafe, C-O-L-I-N.com. So Kevin Stefansky, OBJ, is not at practice again today. There's an understanding right now, and it's really complicated. It has to do with money. But, you know, they owe OBJ $8 million. If he took three, maybe they'd cut him, and then he could go to the waiver wire, and everybody could go where he wanted to go.

And it's very complicated. It's boring. It's not good sports talk radio. But that's kind of the process they're in. They don't want OBJ around. The herd brought to you by credible. Great rates. None of the bull.

It's really funny. So Nick Wright brought up an interesting point. Now, a lot of people think, oh, oh, oh, OBJ is washed. We do this all the time with great athletes. Oh, they're done. Oh, they're washed. And they get a better environment. They crush it.

They're not done. They've got the ability to be great. Maybe not as often. But great. I mean, Kobe scored 60. his last game. You can still be great just not as often. So a lot of people think OBJ has washed, and Nick Wright talked about this this morning. Maybe his dad shouldn't have Instagramed that video. But the video was convincing. And Odell is open a lot. And it doesn't look like Odell's a bad

player. It looks like he's not getting opportunities. Randy in Oakland, people are like he's cooked. He's done. It's very similar to Odell's career in Cleveland. Very similar. And then Broussard, Randy's first game out of Oakland. He happened to be playing our beloved coachman Jeannie's Jets. And he went nine for a buck 83, a score, including a touchdown where I think he ran. I've never seen this route before. It was just a curl across the entire field. I think it was triple covered.

It didn't matter. That was his first game. His first game out of Oakland. And it's like, oh, he's Randy Moss again. It is interesting. So here's OBJ's years with Baker. Because you all think he's cooked, right? And then there's Randy Moss's years with the Raiders.

For our radio audience, Randy had a few more touchdowns. But targets per game, catches per game, yards per game. All the same. And so do I think OBJ can play? Yeah. I think he's brittle. I think he is brittle, but the idea that he can't play, he can still play, he can still get open.

We have an 11-minute video edited by his dad. He can get open. So I think we kind of predicted this. I said the key to Baker Mayfield is going to be, I said this in September, is going to be late October, early November, because he's going to start playing the Steelers. Oh, he just lost to him. And the Bengals. Joe Burroughs on fire.

And he's going to play Lamar a couple times. And then Mack Jones. And I said, this is going to be the time for Baker Mayfield. That the front office won't say it publicly, but they will decide if Baker's the guy. And Baker just lost to Pittsburgh. Now in the biggest game of the year, Joe Burrell off an ugly loss at home against the team in Cleveland

that has massive disruption. What if Baker loses that one? Oh, by the way, two weeks later, it's Mack Jones in New England, and both he and the team are hot. And it's Lamar twice. This was the time you did not want a distraction. But as I said earlier, with Baker, Baker Airlines is always eventually going to hit turbulence. This is just the airline. It's always going to get bumpy because he doesn't know how to avoid bumps.

got to have the last word, got to be a smart aleck, got to call out somebody, got to win the press conference. So it's very interesting. And also, and I'll just throw this out, why wouldn't Cleveland just, I mean, what does it matter? It's $8 million, it's $4 million. Just let OBJ go. You're not using them. You don't even want them at practice. Why does that extra $4 or $5 million matter to Cleveland?

I mean, they'll be able to bring back their team despite that. But that four or five or six million dollars could be valuable if you were, say, acquiring another quarterback. Just a thought. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Yesterday was a very casual day in NFL news. Run of the middle Wednesday.

So it was announced that Aaron Rogers tested positive for COVID and will not be on the field for the Packers' big matchup with the Chiefs on Sunday. But they could be missing him for more than just the one game. It's kind of crazy. So because he is unvaccinated, he must miss a minimum of 10 days. Minimum. Minimum. So the earliest he can return is next Saturday, November 13th, which is one day before the Packers host the Seahawks. So it's one day before a home.

game against the Seahawks. So if he does play, it will have been a whole week of practice that he has missed in advance of that game. And Seattle, in contrast, we'll have two weeks to prepare because they are on a buy and they are looking to get Russell Wilson back from a finger injury for that game. And that'll be the healthiest Seattle has been all year, too. Right. Now, in Green Bay's favor is that they are at home. Seattle's secondary is awful. It's a road game for Seattle. And we don't know if Russell is going to be back and Aaron Rogers is Aaron Rogers. So we don't know if he's having, you know, symptoms or anything, but if he is non-symomatic or asymptomatic and he is just, you know,

doing Zoom calls and things like that. Obviously, you don't want to miss a week of practice, but if it's going to be a player that's going to miss a week of practice, Aaron Rogers has a little bit of experience. It's, you know, there are those things working in their favor, I guess, when you're examining this situation. But, you know, there's all this talk about privacy and why do we care. and why does it matter?

And, you know, for people who have these very strong opinions about vaccines, which most people do, if you are anti-vax or you are supportive of Aaron, you know, not getting vaccinated, these are the things that keep coming up. Now, the privacy thing I don't even want to have a... If you're a front-facing person, you don't have privacy. Welcome to 2021. I don't know how else to explain that to you.

You and I don't have privacy. It's like talking to children. Like, it's not your reality. If you don't want it, don't be a front-facing person. Like, this is the exchange that you make. Fame is brutal, and that's what it is. That's why you get paid, but you get paid. You're a front-facing person.

Also, we have injury reports. We know when these guys have surgery. We know how much money they make. We know how much time is left on their contract. There's no privacy unit comes to this. But the reason why it matters is not because we have these strong opinions about vaccines. It's because if you're not vaccinated, you won't be available. So it literally affects on the field games.

Like it affects the actual play. Yeah. So the NFL was very clear in the preseason. Yes. These are the rules if you're not vaccinated. We're not going to mandate you're vaccinated. But on a by week, you can't leave town. No.

You have to get at the facility got you tested. It's the same protocols essentially as last year. Yeah. When they didn't have a vaccine. So you had a choice if you're Cole Beasley. Cole Beasley was right up front. I'm not doing it. That's fine.

Cole Beasley still plays. Yeah. He's just going to take more tests. It's a decision Cole has made. Now, I have said I didn't like Kirk Cousins or Carson Went or Cam. I ripped all of them. I said quarterback is different. There's seven receivers a team, nine linebackers.

There's two quarterbacks. You have to be responsible. We can't have you. By the way, so I've always been, I ripped Cam and I ripped Carson and I rip Kirk, so I'm ripping Aaron. Quarterback is different. There's only two of you on the roster. And if one of you gets it, quarterbacks get hurt all the time.

You could have by the third quarter of a game. You could have no quarterback. Well, you could be in a situation like Denver last year where you actually have. no quarterbacks on the roster because of COVID. Now, there wasn't a vaccine available, so there was different protocols and it was much more extreme situation, but they could have been in this situation very easily

because of this. And to your point, we just saw this last week because Devante Adams and Elin Lazzard were out and they were still able to get a win over the undefeated Cardinals. Why? Because Aaron Rogers was there. Now, Ian Rogers doesn't have the best statistical game, but do you feel like

they're winning that game without Aaron Rogers? I certainly don't. I will tell you this, though. I am fascinated. I will not leave my seat to watch Jordan Love. I gotta see it. It's become an infamous game. Like what was supposed to be a marquee matchup, Patrick Mahomes,

Aaron Rogers, which by the way the fans were robbed of, now it is a must watch for a completely different reason. What if Green Bay gets rolled? What if Jordan Love looks fantastic? It's like the ultimate reality show. Yeah, I mean, I can't wait to watch it. No, it is. It's very interesting. But that's why it's a big deal.

I don't know why I have to explain this to people. It is, though. We're not talking about this because we have these hot take political opinions. He's not available to play. It's the same thing as having an injury, except for he decided to put himself in this situation. So the Rams made another big move to acquire Von Miller from the Broncos before the trade deadline.

And although Miller said it hurt, he was very emotional when he found out about it. There's a video out there. You know, we talk about these trades and moves like it's, really nothing, but these are human beings, and there's a lot going on when you are traded. And he said he's excited to get started with his new team. It's starting to feel real good. If you look at all the talent that we have, you know, I went to sleep four and four and woke up seven and one. It's not, you know, on the back end of things, you know, it's not really that bad.

And, you know, it's better for me. It's better for the organization. And you just got to, you know, let reality seek in that I get to play with, you know, Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey and Leonard Floyd. Leonard Floyd and Matthew Stafford and this solid offensive line and they got a solid team and Denver Broncos, they're still building. They're still family and stuff. But this team's ready to win right now, ready to win championships right now, and I'm excited to be a part of it.

You know, it's interesting. It's a little bit like Tampa. So Tampa had so much talent last year that they could sit Vitavia for another week. You can, okay, we'll keep this guy out. You know, Scotty Miller's got a little bruise. We can keep Scotty out. The way the Rams can use Von Miller is like they don't need him this week. I mean, you look at that team, they're blowing people out every other week without Von Miller.

The key is, can Von Miller in crucial games against Arizona or Russell Wilson or can he be available to play? And when you're deep, and the GM gets credit in Tampa and the GM gets credit in L.A. less need. When you're deep, you don't need him every snap. Right. He just comes in and he's got to be, you have probably four games on that schedule. They're like, Vaughn is going to make a big play in those games. So Tampa and the Rams now, that is the advantage to having hit on so many free agents and draft picks, is that you really don't need Vaughn to be Hall of Fame Vaughn to be wildly important or valuable.

Yeah, no, that's why I pushed back on the idea like, oh, he's not 2015 Vaughn Miller. You don't need it. You don't need him to be. It's the same thing as Antonio Brown. Everyone was like, oh, it's not going to work. You don't need Antonio Brown to be your number one wide receiver. Look at the wide receiving court. He just needs him to contribute in big moments.

And once he gets into the flow of things, he may step up and be that. But you don't need him to be that. And that's the value of bringing someone in like that. I love when you get, I mean, James Harden to the Nets. It's interesting. Vaughn Miller to the Rams. I love when you get great players in new environments. And you're like, oh, I want to see this puppy work.

Well, he has 19 total tackles and four and a half sacks this year. They're 10th in points allowed, first in total sacks. They're tied for first in interceptions, 21st in yards allowed per game. So, you know, they want to improve on that. But, you know, this is just another addition to what is a solid defense. So the NBA has made a point this season to eliminate non-basketball moves and avoid calling defensive fouls during those plays.

So some players have been vocal about either loving or hating the new rules, but the league is pleased so far. The VP of Referee Development, Monty McCutcheon said the referees have done an excellent job. I think in any of this, there's some adjustment. period on the shooting foul itself. We're in the middle of that adjustment period with the staff. But to be clear, we love where the game has been from a freedom of movement perspective over the past few years.

And we do not want to give that up in any way. They also said that from a data perspective, there has been not been any evidence of increased physicality on the court. So again, we knew what players were going to be affected by this. You're James Hardin, your Trey Young. But, you know, there is a bulk. Joel Klapp mentioned yesterday. This is a bell curve.

you want to make an adjustment that affects the bulk of your players and not the outliers. And that's what they're doing and they're happy with it. How about that? And by the way, you've seen the Warriors? Miami Heat and the Warriors right now? If you stop the season today and said NBA finals, Miami Heat and Warriors. I watched that. I'll be fun.

Well, it's not like they haven't been successful. They got good ownership. It's not shocking when good cultures. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Got Greg Kosell, top of the hour.

Albert Breers around the corner and all this stuff. This is so much fun. Can I just go off on something here for a second? So Joe and I discussed this a little bit yesterday. The Scotty Pippen, Michael Jordan. So Scotty Pippen was outraged by the last dance. He thought Michael tried to make him look bad. And then Scotty now is writing a book,

and there's some experts coming out of it, and it's just ripping Jordan. Okay. If we all acknowledge that Michael and Scotty needed each other and were great together, we'll all acknowledge that. Now, Michael was more important, but Scotty had value. Batman did need Robin a couple of times in chaos. And I don't think Michael would have won six. He would have won eventually, but he wouldn't have won six without Scotty.

And I think Michael knows that. I think Phil Jackson knows it. I think Scotty absolutely knows it. And what's you to know it? But let me ask you. What was Scotty before Michael? I never heard of him. And what's Scotty done after Michael?

Houston was a disaster. He aver's 11 a game for Portland. He's had some financial trouble. Okay. What was Scotty in the two years Michael wasn't around? Gun charge, refused to go into a basketball playoff game, double down on it and the documentary, which I thought made him look incredibly, incredibly bad.

I got nothing against Scotty and I know him. But you didn't know who Scotty was before Mike. They gave him the baton when Mike left. He didn't do well. And that since Michael, he's relevant you get today because of the documentary, which he, by the way, hates. That's why we're talking about him. But by the way, what is Michael Jordan done before Scotty Pippen?

Oh, he was a high school, All-American. He was a college. All-American. He was an NBA scoring champion, and he was already becoming a behemoth in marketing. And what has Michael done after Scotty Pippen, bought an NBA team and become a billionaire? Michael was always going to be good. Scotty doesn't have a lot of successes pre-Michael and post-Michael. I think Scottie Pippen this morning may hate the documentary.

but that documentary is why we're even talking about Scotty is that he's always had this chip on his shoulder about Michael Jordan do you know what a gift it is in life if you're a painter and Picasso put his arm around you for six, seven years? The ability to be Robin to the greatest Batman ever I said this about Kyrie. You got to play with LeBron. you don't leave LeBron in his prime.

Oh, what? You think, what? What? Like, when you get a gift, Michael was a gift. Magic Johnson's a gift. When you get the opportunity to be a Brady teammate. You don't think Mike Evans realize what a damn gift it is? You don't think Chris Godwin,

Gronk? They don't understand how lucky they are? You don't get to work with Brady. and Michael Jordan and LeBron James and Magic in their prime. When you get that gift, let them be the star. Just ride the way, brother. Like Scotty, I didn't know who you were before, Michael. You got the baton for two years and messed it up.

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So that is a fitting shade of orange to wear today. Let's start with this. Do teams, do your sources tell you, do teams believe O'Dell can still play? O'Dell Beckham? I think we got our answer, the way the league feels about O'Dell the other day, to be honest with you, Colin. I mean, if you remember, like Stefan Diggs had a social media issue with the Vikings a couple years ago, and that's what prompted the Buffalo Bills to pick up the phone and call and offer more than a first-round pick for him. And so these teams are acutely aware of what's going on with these guys and potential issues that could crop up.

And so if another team had looked at it and saw O'Dell at his number, at his price, as an attractive option and saw that on social media, they would have picked up the phone and talked to Cleveland right away. My understanding is Cleveland didn't get very many calls ahead of the 4 o'clock deadline on Tuesday. They had some talks with the New Orleans Saints, but that didn't go much of anywhere. the Saints were working several different teams on receivers. And so, you know, now they are where they are. Now, I would caution the one thing is this is sort of like what it was like with Randy Moss. I was covering the Patriots at the time in 2007 where, you know,

the Raiders didn't have much interest in Randy Moss when they traded him to New England. But certainly, I think the league has sort of spoken on this one. No one was aggressively pursuing Odell Beckham after everything happened on social media with LeBron and his dad. I'm ahead of that 4 o'clock deadline on Tuesday. You know, Albert, it's interesting. Joy and I said in September, there's going to be this stretch of games when Baker's playing Burrow and Kyler and Mack Jones and Baker and Lamar Jackson. And these are contemporaries.

These aren't old legends. We don't expect him to be as good as Aaron if he played him. No, it's all as contemporaries. The guys that are going to get the bag, they're going to get money. And here we are in that moment. And it's the biggest disruption of the season. And I've said Baker-Mafield Airlines has constant turbulence. I'm not blaming anybody here, but it's just the reality, calling out the medical staff, Duke Johnson's money.

Do you think there are people here, if they got rolled by Cincinnati and Burrow, and Mack Jones outplayed Baker, you think there are people in that building saying making a decision, we're four and six, this isn't going to work? I mean, I think long term, there's a lot on the line for Baker here over the next few weeks. And the biggest tell, Colin, is that they let him go into year four. If you look at the current rookie salary system, right, there are only two examples of guys who went into year four and still wound up getting big contracts after not getting them after year three, which is the first point at which they're eligible. Those two cases were slam dunks, Andrew Luck and Cam Newton.

So, you know, I think by definition, you look at this situation, he's playing for a lot right now, and the Browns are really weighing that, you know, whether or not he's worth the top of the market contract. Are they willing to pay them? Yeah, they're willing to pay them. But, you know, this is increasingly become a yes or no question with young quarterbacks. You either pay them at the top of the market or you walk away from them.

Yep. And I don't know that the Browns right now are willing to pay them at the top of the market. Otherwise, they would have signed him by now. And so, you know, I think the Browns very much will be weighing the way that Baker Mayfield looks with the players around him over the rest of the season against what maybe a Deshaun Watson or a Russell Wilson or even an Aaron Rogers might look like with that group in 2022. So I think it's a big stretch here.

The last 10 weeks of the season for Baker Mayfield, he's got a lot on the line. I want to get to a couple things, and we don't have a ton of time, but I want to get on this. Aaron Rogers, he will be eligible to come back the Saturday before they play the Seahawks.

Yikes. I guess he would be the starting quarterback. I mean, right? Like he would play then, right? I mean, they could put him, so they could like set him up virtually. where he's doing the mental stuff, you know, like you could have him as part of meetings and those sorts of things where you could get him ready and ramp him up and just trust that he's going to be

physically ready to play. He knows how to get himself physically ready to play. So, you know, I certainly think that that there's a chance that he could play in that Seattle game. You know, I think for right now, the bigger question is how they handle it going forward. What's interesting about it, Colin to me, is they're going to get a real life look at Jordan Love now. And this is different than looking at them in the preseason and in practice. Like, they're going to get a look at what Jordan Love looks like on a very big stage in a pressure situation. Not only are they going to get a look at it, the rest of the league is going to get a look at him too. And so maybe that winds up playing into how you handle that Seattle week.

Like if he comes out here and looks like crap against the Chiefs, maybe you say we're doing everything we can to get Aaron Rogers in a position to play. maybe if he plays great and they beat the Chiefs handily, maybe they look at it and say, we wouldn't mind getting a second look at Jordan Love. That's right. Maybe that's what's best for the team right now. So I think it really sets up as an interesting situation based on how Jordan Love plays against the Chiefs.

About two minutes left. You have some insight on the Vaughn Miller, Denver to Rams trade. I want to hear it. Give me that. That sounds fun. Yeah, there are two sizes, really. And I think with the Rams, a lot of people look at them as being reckless. And I don't think they have been.

And I think over the last couple of years, they've really focused what they've done and who they're going after. And what I've been told they're doing is they're really valuing certain positions. And they're saying, we need to get guys who can score and guys who can prevent the other team from scoring. So really, there are four positions that they're going to do these sorts of things and be aggressive at. Receiver, they rewarded Cooper Cup and Robert Woods a second time, right? Quarterback, we saw what they did with Stafford with the pass rushers. Obviously, they've rewarded Aaron Donald. They paid Leonard Floyd.

Now they're bringing in Von Miller. And at corner is Jalen Ramsey. And so there's a very focused approach from the Rams front office. They believe they can churn linebackers. They can churn running backs. They can churn safeties. And they've learned from the lessons of paying guys like Todd Gurley. So I think people are looking at this and saying, oh, it's just the Rams throwing more crap at the wall.

It's become a much more focused approach over the last couple of years. And then creatively for the Broncos, they actually bought one of those draft picks. I don't know if people realize this. that second round pick was for Vaughn Miller. The third round pick was actually for the $9 million the Broncos pay. So they bought that second draft pick. So now the Broncos have multiple picks in the second, third, fifth, and seventh rounds. They're going to be players in the quarterback market in February and March.

And now not only are they able to look at bringing in a quarterback like a Rogers or a Wilson or a Watson, you can also tell that quarterback, we've got some capital to put some things around you. Good stuff. Albert Breer, really, really interesting. Thanks, buddy. Monday morning quarterback Albert Breyer. You know, it's also interesting. The Rams are a little like the opposite of the Colts.

The Colts have a great roster, but at key positions, left tackle, pass rusher, corner, wide receiver, they're not special. But the rest of the roster is fine. The Rams have some, you know, areas where they're not special. But at corner, left tackle, quarterback, pass rusher, corner, they're great, wide receiver. So the Colts and the Rams, and as good and well run as the Colts are, the knock is they're not special where you've got to be special. It's pretty interesting. You learn stuff on this show.

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