The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 – McCarthy ‘Fed Up’ with Jerry Jones?

Episode Date: June 24, 2024

2 Pros and a Cup of Joe fill in on The Herd, and react to a report that Mike McCarthy is “fed up” with Jerry Jones undermining him in Dallas. Oklahoma gives Brent Venables a 6-year extension and much more!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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welcome in, and let's have a damn good time on a Monday morning. How are we feeling? Okay. I can't believe they let us back. Really? Do we do something wrong last time? I don't know. I mean, I just figured we'd talk about the usuals, you know, the LeBron Dallas Cowboys. Don't forget about Brownie. Don't forget about Brownie. Well, I mean, what makes you think we're going to go in that direction here?

I don't know. Just playing the hits. All right. Well, listen, if we want to play the hits, let's go ahead and play the hits then. Here we go, and we're off and running. Who's going to get it? Welcome to the NFL offseason. Oh, wow.

Starring the Dallas Cowboys. They are back. And the Dallas Cowboys are back and they're right to be. No pun to the starring. The Cowboys are back in their rightful place, not actually in a deep run in the playoffs or in a Super Bowl, but in the news, in the off season when games aren't being played. Because according to Tyler Dunn of Go-Long,

Mike McCarthy is getting fed up with Jerry Jones and the influence there that he's got in Dallas. He said, quote, he's doing the best he can. An ex-Cowboys personnel man recently said, some of the people I've talked to have said that he's getting fed up with it a little bit. He also mentioned that the report noted the current players are more concerned about Jerry Jones and their own head coach. And as indicated by a high-ranking Cowboys lieutenant over the notion that, quote, ownership can undermine the head coach at any moment. They also pointed out that the fact that he didn't get a one-year extension and he's basically a lame duck coach, puts him in a really bad spot.

But regardless, Mike McCarthy going in to what could be his final year as Cowboys head coach. And at this point, based on this reporting, is a little bit tired of how things shake up there in Dallas. I'm going to play both sides of this one because I can understand his frustration. I think a lot of head coaches aren't accustomed to an owner that's got a weekly radio show that can basically air out anyone at any time. And it doesn't seem like he's got much of a filter. So that can be frustrating. but you also knew what you're signing up for. I mean, it's not like Jerry Jones has really changed.

So when Mike McCarthy took time off after getting fired from Green Bay and took this opportunity, I mean, they had their sleepover and everything through the interview process. He had to literally know what he was getting in bed with, right? And after a rough first year, and granted, I think you give him, you know, a benefit of the doubt because it goes on to anything else. It's 12 and 5, 12 and 5, 12 and 5, regular season has been fine. it's more been how things have ended in the playoffs. And that's really what has stuck with everyone in the back of their mind. It's just disastrous endings on the field.

And that has nothing to do with Jerry Jones and what he says during his radio show during the season or what he does or doesn't do when it comes to the offseason. That has to do with Mike McCarthy and how this team has executed once they've gotten the playoffs. and this past year, not even showing up against his former team to Green Bay Packers, the disastrous ending to their season back in 2022 versus the San Francisco 49ers with a what the heck was that play at the end of it? I mean, there's countless things, the two-minute drive, too, where they thought they'd have enough time.

I mean, there's so many things you could point to of the last three years. That has nothing to do with Jerry Jones. So as much as this report may be true, and I think we can all understand that, it still doesn't change the fact that Mike McCarthy and this Dallas Cowboys teams, when it's mattered the most in the postseason, have struggled to figure out a way of getting to a Super Bowl,

or at least getting to an FC championship game. Do we know who put the report out? Where are the report originate from? Tyler Dunn. And what was his source? People, personnel. People and personnel. Yeah, members.

In the Cowboys. Probably not really. to the Jones family? Probably not related to the Jones family. You know, I know I get made fun of for watching fantasy shows. You know, I just watched the later. I don't make fun of you about that. I appreciate it.

I know you don't. We're on the same page. We're good with one another. I love hearing more about them, honestly. Well, here's the thing. I just watched the Game of Thrones is the original, but the new one is a house of dragons, right? And, you know, in watching it, you start to realize that you fight, the battles of running a kingdom internally.

It's not really one on the battlefield of where you have the catapults and, you know, the spears and the cannons and all that stuff. It's actually one behind closed doors, right? And what information, you know, is disseminated from there and resonates from there is usually a sophisticated, maybe considered sophisticated, maybe not so much, but seemingly sophisticated plan or idea. as to how you want to manage the expectations and deliver the messaging and the branding of what this monarchy represents to the common man to everybody that's out there depending on where the message

come from it dictates how you view the people who are making the decisions and right and this is one of those scenarios where you got to believe if it's jerry jones this side jerry jones once, it's always been stated, the over-pronounced approach to what he does is to win a Super Bowl and him be the reason why they won a Super Bowl. The reason why the reports is he fell out with Jimmy Johnson because they couldn't come to a healthy relationship in terms of who represented

what and then boom, you're trying to figure out what you're going to do post-Jimmy Johnson, which you have Barry Switzer and all those guys. you've won Super Bowls with other coaches, but he wants to win this Super Bowl for him and his family in the worst way. Mike McCarthy is on his second head coaching job, and we all know that to get a second head coaching job in the NFL after leaving one, you're basically what,

there's never been a coach that's been a head coach three times, a head coach three times, correct? Is that accurate? I think it's an accurate step. Lovie Smith. Three times? Yeah, it's three times. Yeah, how would that work out?

So in the end, in the end, I think what's happening is if it's coming from Mike McCarthy's side, this is self-preservation. And in fact, I might say if it's coming from the Jones side, it might be self-preservation as well. You're trying to find a way to move on or set up what it's going to be if this team underperforms. Right? You just put it out there. like it gets picked up okay it's going to be discussed if i'm mike mccarthy i'm putting it out there because i'm letting y'all know before we go into this season that something ain't right and that something isn't right because this guy continues to be a person that is undermining what it is that i'm trying to do create and build here so really what i'm trying to tell y'all is this isn't my fault as a head coach you know if you date a stripper don't complain two years later when she comes home smelling like somebody else's colonel is what it is. You got in bed with that, literally, and then you want to complain about it after the fact. This is the Cowboys.

It was after the Paternity test. I'm just saying, like, this is the Cowboys. Dalton Schultz talked about it when he said that, you know, it's just night and day difference between the Cowboys and the Texans, where in the Cowboys, like, you'll be working out and people are taking tours and they're looking at you through the glass. Like, you're at a zoo. Like, that's what the Cowboys do. That's what Jerry Jones is. So the idea that, like, well, you know, I'm getting. fed up because he's got too much influence.

To Brady's point, what other owner in the NFL or in sports has two radio hits a week all year long? Jerry Jones does. You know who's got the other radio hits? Who? His son, Stephen Jones. Dang. It's just like, this is what they do.

So, like, Mike McCarthy go, oh, you know, I'm just getting fed up with it. Okay, if he's fed up with it and the Cowboys have a decent year and they offer him a contract extension after the year. Do you take it? Yeah, she would take it. Yeah. Well, I didn't mean all of those things. Somebody said that it wasn't me.

This is self-preservation. That's why you use a different source to put your information out there, right? Let's also acknowledge, though, other teams within their division and the way they do business. So, for example, the Philadelphia Eagles, they've been able to resign, retain, make all these moves in the offseason, whether it was, you know, Smith or, you know, even Melada or whoever else. want to talk about on the roster. It didn't, it doesn't need to get to the point where it becomes a talking point as, no, does Mike McCarthy go into his final year, but so does Dag Prescott and CD-LAM wants a new contract. And Micah Parsons is two years out, but they've already set the precedent of redoing those contracts or extending those contracts because of Zeke Elliott in the past. So now a guy

like Micah Parsons, who's done everything you could ask for him to do is knocking at the door saying, I understand that you don't want to do this for every player, but I'm that guy. I'm that player. I've done exactly what Zika has done, but on the defensive side of the ball for you. So pay me now. And it does seem like, for whatever reason, as that price tag continually goes up for every one of those guys, and that's one of the reasons why Dak Prescott's contract is as ironclad as it is, and he has so much leverage.

But it's because they waited. And it's because they, for whatever reason, don't want to do business the way they should with guys that they've drafted, guys that they've developed, guys that they've hit on. I mean, if I'm in the personnel department, there's got to be some frustration to a degree, right? Will McLeigh does a tremendous job there

because as much as you want to acknowledge the fact that they are hitting on a bunch of these guys, they don't necessarily extend them when they should. They should extend them earlier in their career so they can work with the salary cap, work some of those numbers, not give up so much leverage to someone like Dak Prescott who was, again, going into a final,

year of the deal the last time around and now has a no trade tag has no franchise tag. I mean, all these different clauses things they put in their contract, they're able to do because Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, they sit on the hands and they wait. And they allow the market to continue to go up and up and up. I mean, it's only going up for quarterbacks. It's only going up for receivers. And so that drama continues. And as much as we want to say, well, yeah, I guess it keeps them in the news.

It keeps them as part of the story. I would think if you're Mike McCarthy, yeah, you're a tax. tired of the story being about everything other than football and everything other than what's on the field. And look, maybe that, you know, negates what I said earlier, but maybe it's also distracted from how the seasons have ended a little bit because there's always something going on in Dallas in the offseason. Do you think somebody in Dallas was like, when the Emmett Smith holdout happened, they're like, foof, all right, that got a little ugly. But at least we learned our lesson. That'll never happen again. You know what? All these years later, everybody's like,

no, I'll just wait and get a contract. I blame all of this on Green Bay. All right. You Green Bay Packers out there. You know what you've done. You've created people that just constantly want attention and drama. That's all this is. This is a product of a lead to lap. I know you might not want to hear this, but the drama is from everybody who comes from Green Bay. You got Mike McCarthy. You took a shot at Green Bay and you took a shot up there at the Jets. Yes, I did. And then here's the thing, right? You got these drama queens, I mean kings, guys, drama guys. And, and, you know, They're Cangs, man. Cangs!

Cangs! And they want this attention during the off-season, and for what? Why does Aaron Rogers want this attention? Why does a headline like this come out? Why does this happen? Why ask why you say, because they're Green Bay people? And I don't understand why that is. Maybe it's because they don't have a whole lot going on.

Maybe it's because it's about playing the hits. I want the attention on me. Where does this headline come from? Why is this a headline today? Today. And you know what? Who did it last week? Who had the headlines last week?

Mike McCarthy, are you and Aaron Rogers competing for swag and clout in the media? Like for coverage? Who's doing it? Wait a second. Who's doing it? I want to know. Didn't you almost sign with Green Bay? Yes.

Is this why? Because it was too much. I walked into Pickett, Big Pickett's room. And he was in there sitting in his boxer shorts with like five orders of room service. And I was like, yeah, I'm not coming here. I'm not coming here. Why? There's nothing going on.

I mean, if this is the height of my excitement coming to Green Bay, I can't come here. I got to be honest with you. I've got family who was up in Green Bay. They loved it. They miss it. Talk about it all the time. We'll go back. What's holding you back?

I just want to know where the drama's coming from. And both teams are going to lose next year. Well, the drama was still present and dead. Dallas before Mike McCarthy got there. Very true. And the difference you can make the case is the fact that now it's not whether or not they're a playoff team. It's whether or not how is the season going to end?

Like is it going to end to hoisting up a Lombardi? What week does he get fired? What is it going to end in a disastrous fashion? Like we've seen the last three years. What a week does Mike McCarthy get fired? What an optimistic outlook of the Cowboys. Is that on the draft board right now? Let me go to draft.

Let me go to draft. Let me go to draft. Let me search when Mike McCarthy will be fired. All right, well, let me ask you this. I bet you there's a line. If they win a playoff game, that's a win. Not enough. Not enough.

If they go to the conference championship, is he back? That's a win. I think he's back. He's gone. He's out of there. It doesn't help that Bill Belichick's out there. Yeah, that's true. I'm surprised I didn't do it this year.

He's gone. He's out of there. He's literally got. Dan Quinn jumped ship quick. Once you saw Dan Quinn jump ship, now you got Michael Parsons. Don't even seem like he's really banging with the defense coordinator all like that. C.D. Land wants his. contract he's upset you know

Jack Prescott he he's at the end of his contract now you got the head coach he's coming out he seems to be disgruntled if the reports are the reports are accurate there's an issue there's issues in Dallas let's go through their schedule real quick

because you're you're already putting it over under on when he gets fired so I've got to ask you I'm gonna give you three options okay okay here we go the first option is and this is their first six opponents okay at Cleveland first New Orleans at home versus Baltimore

and then back to back weeks on the road the Giants and then the Steelers done after the Giants done after the Giants I don't know I mean they could they could be two and two three and one I mean I don't know about that done after the Giants

so anyway I'll get to the rest of the schedule so then they have after Detroit they have a by week seven which if you're going to make a change by week that's usually when it would happen you'd say after week six they make the change a couple weeks to get in order and then they have to go on the road back-to-back weeks.

But the more interesting storyline is you had a coach on your staff that was potentially looked at as a replacement in Dan Quinn. They don't play Washington until week 12 in Washington a little before Thanksgiving. So that's the tough part is, let's say, for example, you go to Washington and you lose and you get stomped by the guy that you had in your house, running your defense, one of the top defenses, and you could have hired, you decide to allow him not to be the case, let him go to Washington.

But then you've got a short week where you've got to play the Giants on Thanksgiving. So it feels like it'd be hard to do, and that's hard on your team if you're going to do at that point. And then the next time they play Washington is until the end of the season. So in a way, the schedule almost has set up to allow Mike McCarthy and Dallas to avoid that pink elephant in the room having to face a Dan Quinn coach team that's in their division. They got to play twice and was a guy that, I guess, reportedly, they all loved. I just wonder if that pink elephant smells like Cologne because this is going to be done after the first Dines game. She's out of air. Now let's go to the white gorilla in the room.

I don't know. I don't know. Pink elephant smelling like collode. It's got to fun. Why's going to be white? Why got to be pink? Damn. It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Good news is coming out on a player in the NFL that's got a lot to prove this upcoming season. That'll be yours here again. a little over 20 minutes from now. So good news for Brett Venables, who has got himself a brand new contract from the Oklahoma Sooners. He gets it done.

Now, there's some people that are critical of his performance the first couple of years there at Oklahoma, but nonetheless, he has reached a contract extension, reportedly a six-year deal with a total value of $51.6 million that goes through 2029, and it's $8.5 million annually, for Brent Venables, who is the guy there in Oklahoma,

getting the deal done over the weekend. And apparently they're happy with what they see there, Brady Quinn. They are happy in Norman with what they've seen from Venables there. I mean, savvy, wise move by Brent Venables and his agent. I mean, your first year, was they, six and seven, something like that, I mean, didn't go exactly how they were hoping for. and then this past year, you know, able to kind of rip off 10 wins. So capitalize on that.

You won the Red River Showdown. That's always a huge matchup rivalry. Robbery games oftentimes, you know, really kind of create the legacy of how that coach and player are viewed. And so why not capitalize off that before you have to go into the SEC? And you might not be able to keep pace with the likes of the Georgia's, the Alabama, whoever you want to throw in the conversation there. And I also think it's smart considering their schedule this season. I mean, it's a bit of a brutal schedule.

And depending on how this year goes, their win loss over under is that seven and a half. So think about it this way. I mean, if they end up falling short of that, only winning seven games. You know, could be able to go back and figure out a way of re-uping or getting extension? Probably not. And so this year, they've got Temple and Maine, which looks like winnable easily. winnable games for them. After that, I don't know. I mean, even like some of the group of five competition they play, you know, Houston just hired Willie Fritz, who led Tulane to back-to-back,

double-digit win seasons. They were one of the better group of five programs. I'm sure many people out in Southern California, Colin Coward in particular, remember when Tulane took it to his Southern Cal Trojans. Oh, geez. And so Willie Fritz is going to get Houston kind of, I think, started back up and do something similar to what he built at Tulane. And then John Summerall was taken over at Tulane, who Oklahoma also has to play. I mean, we just talked about their success, but Summerall had a lot of success at Troy. And so, like, even their group of five non-conference games they play,

well, Tulane being one, obviously Houston's not that. They're in the Big 12 now. It's not even like a gimmie anymore. But then you mentioned you got to play Tennessee. You have to pay Auburn. You've got to play Texas, still in Red River, South Carolina, at Old Miss, at Missou. And you finish playing Bama and in Baton Rouge versus LSU.

I mean, that's just a godlet of a schedule. So, kudos to Brent Venables and his agent get that deal done now before they're going to have to go into a gaunt of a schedule. You know, and I've been on this recruiting trail with Manman, and we've been going to a few different... What up, man, man? Yeah, what up, dog. One of the biggest questions that is asked by the parents and by the players

in these recruiting visits is what's the level. of confidence that you'll be here as a coach. Like that's one of the big questions. Like if I'm taking away what are the most asked questions, that's one of the main questions that's asked. So I think that this is a great move. I mean, he's above average. I mean, he's 16 and 10 as the Sooners head coach,

which means in such a competitive conference, that's still he's, you know, he's having success. It's only been two seasons, so he's still building and you got to add into the equation NIL and transfer portal. And I think one of the things about maybe if you have a guy that you really feel good about, that's coaching your team, you want to show that there's a level of commitment from the university so that coach can actually speak with confidence in terms of how he's addressing his current team, as well as the players that he's trying to bring in

to become a part of the program. So I think it's a smart move. It's a wise move because, again, you don't want to have a situation where if a coach ends up leaving, it's not just about losing the power to recruit. You're also putting in danger and jeopardy your roster because leaving schools has become not only a trend,

but it's easier. It's easier to kind of jump ship. So I think you're going to see a lot of colleges actually making more aggressive moves. If they have a coach that they really believe in, that they can build their program or stabilize their program, I think you're going to see a lot of colleges take and think about a different approach as to how they look at the employment of the coaching staffs that they're bringing in. It's kind of what Sabin hinted at, and we've talked about this before, he got was getting tired of having to answer questions from assistance like how long you get to be here because everyone was just looking at their own future and he's like all right listen it's kind of age just though

I mean I ask you that all the time Jonas yeah I mean and it's insulting vampire so you don't really you can't really base age off of what what Jonas is going to do we don't really know how old he is she's talking about it's daytime right now it's the most sun I've seen in months I can't believe you're still alive and you're not burning I just this is weird man I can't believe we don't know if you just had your birthday or not LaVar? I know, man. I know, man. I know what it is. When is it? June 30th. Yeah, it is. Hell yeah. See, I'm not, I'm not hard. There it is. Well, hold on. You know what I mean. Well, yeah, a commercial break. I hope you're not. All right. It went to commercial. I would you be. But so. You guys. You guys are silly billies, man. What do you mean,

man? I don't know. Yeah, it is a little, a little different here this time slot. I'll say that. Plus, we're in the other studio. Feels really good. I got to tell you. And we're back. Yeah, we're back where it all started. Yeah, in the other studio. That's where it began. Looking at all the traffic, all the people watching. Bam. You know?

Yeah, I'm sure there'll be, you know, good to see the taggers got that sign over there. They graffield that one up pretty good. So that's nice. There's no demonstrations going on right now, though. This is generally like the epicenter of demonstrations that take place like right here at this, this little intersection. Yeah, for sure. Right. I mean, you guys usually have better stories about the homeless people walking around.

I mean, they'd be moving around. But I feel like, yeah, it's a little warm. I was about I say it. The weather is a little warm. Yeah, it's a little hot. So shelter. I mean, you know, you might see, you know, Mary Pop. When we see Lee out there, I mean, he's not really doing much fun in the scenes.

I was thinking more so Todd, is Todd, is going to make a, but this is the herd. So, no, I don't think that Todd would make an appearance. By the way, for people that are that are not familiar, Lee DeLap is our executive producer, and he's got a mullet. Like, legitimately has a mullet. and I think Vito, who does the imaging, came in and was like, hey, Lee, good to see you get dressed up. And Lee's like, what do you mean? I put gel in my hair.

That's the standard. That was Lee's Armani tucks. That was his Armani tucks. He got out of the closet. Some labella jelly threw in his hair and he walked in the studio. But he looks refreshed. Yeah. He's back.

He is back. So fired up for that. also fired up as we transition away from that over to we got a game seven coming up later on tonight. How about that? Yeah, we do. The bar has been all over the NHL coverage. How about it? I thought it was all but over. This is exactly what we needed. We needed a game seven. And you got some nervous people in South Florida. One of those being

Brady Quinn, who may or may not be in South Florida, but he's nervous because his Panthers are looking at one of the epic choke jobs in the history of sports later on tonight. And it'd be better for the NHL if it happened because Connor McDavid could raise the cup. On unopposed, any other big time event going on on a Monday night getting all the glory because the NBA finals were a bunch of crap. Edmonton's got all the momentum. That's the reality of this. This could be one of the, I don't know if you call it a choke job.

I don't know if you call it collapse. However you want to describe it. this would be the ultimate collapse and probably even worse for Panthers fans because you're in the Stanley Cup last year. And so you got close and after a new ownership group who's built this franchise up, you think the second time around like, okay, we're the better team. And I think a lot of people thought that coming into the series. They were a favorite of coming in the series. You go up 3-0. It's like, all right, it's not going to get to game seven.

Come on. They have absolutely collapsed. I mean, so much so that Sergey Bobrovsky didn't, wasn't even at practice yesterday, which is completely out of the ordinary, you know, having a game seven game tonight. So no idea what's going on. I mean, one of the tough things about this last three-game skid

is the goal differential ends up being a bit of a misnomer, right? I mean, there's empty netters. Like, it's not like that falls on the goalie necessarily. So at times the score looks inflated. The margin of difference looks a little worse than it actually was. Because by and large, the last game was probably the most competitive of the most recent three. But, I mean, Florida's got to figure this out, man. I mean, it is unbelievable to see how this entire series has taken a 180 since game four.

And I don't know hockey well enough to put my finger on it, but I know this. I mean, ultimately, you know, your goalie is what's going to lead you. So Bar-Boropsy's going to have to come out and have the game of his life tonight compared to what's happened in the last three games. Come on, bra, bra. Yeah, but there's a lot of people who don't know anything about the WMBA. have an opinion on it. Dang. It's a season, right?

You don't have to be an expert to... That's where you go up with this? I'm just saying. Come on, we spent all of two minutes on the NHL. The Stanley Cup, a game seven. History could be on hand here if Edmondton can come back and pull it off.

And Jonas immediately pivots. No, no. I'm still going with the cats. I was just pointing that out. I mean, I'm way more interested in this game seven. I was going to ask you guys, though, So because there's some people... You are the worst, man.

Listen, I'm just trying to have a conversation. You think I'm trying to stir the pot here. I'm not trying to stir the pot. It's the last thing I would do. I don't stir the pot. No, definitely not. But is there such thing as momentum as a player? Yes.

Okay, because there's some people that kind of poo poo. And the oilers have it. Yes. It's harder for, I think, us as football players, and I won't speak for you, LeVar on this, but maybe you'd agree. You know, we play a team in our division twice a year, but it's not back to back, right?

It's not like you, you know, they're literally like staying in your city and you're playing them next week or even a few days later, right? I mean, you're seeing them potentially, you know, in a couple of weeks. We've seen that now more often in the schedule, but that's it.

You only see them a couple times. You're talking about playing this one team, not including the regular season, seven times now, consecutively. Yeah. I'm surprised there's not more fights that don't break out. I mean, between guys getting chippy and just frustrated with the whole situation. But I think from that standpoint, like, that's to me what makes this so great in other sports and really their playoff series is you get that competitive or repetitive competition versus one another.

So I don't know. It's a little harder in football because unless you, unless you like over a streak of years, you just feel like that team has your number. you're only playing them at most two, maybe three times if you see them again in the playoffs. And so, yeah, the momentum feels real, but you also feel like you have a little bit more of a shot, I think, on each individual game in football as opposed to like a series like this. I don't know. It's hard to, like, adjust or redirect or make a change. You don't have any time.

You've had only, what, a couple days, a few days? How many times do you think a team that isn't better than the other team wins a seven-game series? That's a great question. You know what I mean? I don't think that often. I don't think often at all, actually. So it's just one of those things. When you talk about momentum, is it a matter of the team was always better than the other team that kind of got up on them?

And now they found the momentum. They found that stride that shows that they're the better team. Was it the team that, you know, is got up quickly? you know, they had the lead. Like the cats got up. It all looked like they were going to cruise to a championship, another cup. And now they find themselves in a situation where they have to, you know, what they say, batter down the hatches or whatever it is.

And then you got to really like kind of, you know, you got to refocus and you got to show that we can win this last game because we are the better team. I mean, there's so many different ways that being the better team could play out. during a seven-game series when you are playing each other back-to-back and consecutively the adjustments, how are the coaches handling the adjustments within the series? I mean, there are so many different moving parts, but generally speaking, I would probably lean towards the idea and understanding that the better team generally is going to win a seven-game series. So no matter how it started, it's generally how that series ends because you can

have to play as, as Q mentioned. You've got to play each other so many times. And there's a familiarity that is created during the course of that that matchup that you're going to see it has to come down to are you better or are you not, whether it's the coaching or whether it's the players? Just friendly piece of advice for anybody out there that is a Panthers fan or as an oilers fan. I wouldn't recommend drinking during the game because your anxiety and your nerves are going to make you forget how much you've had and you'll get up to you. use the bathroom after like the first intermission and you'll fall into the window like it's just not a good idea you'll get crippled quick if you start boozing or licking the lid if you're watching this

game so what i'm just saying you got you got to be careful this game differ from any other because it's game seven all right there's no more margin for air all right it's all on the line and this is just friendly advice right i wouldn't recommend you uh you'd bend the elbow while you're watching this game it could go poorly for you is that what you've resorted to you're just giving like drinking advice now yeah i mean I mean, listen to it. I mean, you don't have, like, betting advice or any analytical take on this one? Betting advice.

I mean, you pivoted so hard onto the WNBA. Bet, you must not want to talk about this. No, no, no. Betting advice for me, I bet on a horse race in Japan this weekend, and I didn't realize they ran in the opposite direction. Like, I thought there were, I thought I was drunk and they were going. That doesn't matter. Did you win the bet? No.

Of course not. No. No. Oh, no. Betting advice on the staling. No. So they run clockwise? Whatever the Prince of Darkness is to bet on go the opposite direction.

And you're going to win. Damn. Isn't that kind of like how the toilets are over in Australia? Don't they flush the opposite way? That's what they say. And I still don't understand how that works. What does that mean? It's like the Earth's gravitational pull or something.

Yeah. Like the swirl is different. It goes the opposite direction? Yeah. Yeah, opposite way. What is the Earth? I never paid attention to the regular swirl here. What does the Earth's gravitational pull have to do if somebody

taking a dump in Sydney. Dang. You know what I mean? It's the way it flushes, man. Dang. All right. Well, I was thinking on reverse, like, as in, like, it comes out from

where it goes and goes up. Also, if we're going to be fair. If we're going to be fair. If we're going to be fair about this, isn't Lee to laugh the real Prince of Darkness? Like, if we're going to be fair about this. No, but I get what you're saying. Lee would typically weigh in on this matter.

And he would have for us the information as to why the Twitter flush the opposite of it. Well, we could say, based off of the, the restroom, but we could also say based off of other things as well. Well, listen. Jamaica Queens or something. I don't know what plumbing issues anybody's got, but I do know this. You can save big on your water and energy bills with the new Navian tankless water heater.

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That would have been interesting If that was how it was out there It's a one-man studio is what it is Put it lightly All right, let's get things started with the NFL Texans made waves when they traded for Stefan Diggs. A small dip in production in his final season with the bills

had some people wondering if perhaps he wasn't quite the same player. Well, Case Keenham, his teammate in Minnesota, of course, briefly in Buffalo, now again in Houston. He disagrees with that, and here's what he had to say. He's a dynamic player. He hasn't lost a step. If anything, he's gotten more saviness and can put some extra sauce on some routes when he needs to win.

He's done a great job of continuing to build his craft, work on his tools, his tool set, and I'm excited to see what he can do coming up in the fall. Extra sauce, huh? He's also got a lot to play for, too. I'm assuming he'll be on his best behavior to get that. Why he'll be his best behavior? God, dang.

It's the final year. They restructured it. Yeah, I get it. This will be his third big contract he's trying to go for, right? So this theoretically could be his last one. I mean, last big payday. Last big one. The big one.

I'm trying to find a way that Houston stinks. and I just don't see it happening. You know, division's going to be tough, though. I mean, Jacksonville should be better. Trevor Lawrence stays healthy all year. They could be. They're going to be really tough. They're going to be really tough.

They should be able to help the Colts who were in a playoff contention with Minchew starting for them last year. So they'll be a part of it. I have no idea what to make a Tennessee. That to me is one of the biggest wild cards in the NFL. It's a great track, Q. I'm with you, Jonas.

They're going to be good. Q is good, though. Q is a half glass half-full type. type of guy though you know I like that it's the NFL though we always like we do this every year that is very true we have our offseason favorites and then this season starts I mean the pendulum has swung so far on the Texans a lot of people going into last season was talking about how much of a disaster they could be and how much CJ Stroud was going to have to overcome to have any success that's a great point yeah it's a great point but then like three years before that they're like

in the hunt for the division that's another strong point that's one of the things like we tend to forget is if you go back eight years who's one of the the most AFC South divisions. Houston Texans. Damn right. Coach Bob maybe. We act like they were a disaster

of an organization because they well, they went through whatever they went through for like 12 to 24 months. Don't act like you're not a Jack Easterby guy, Brady. Come on. I'm just saying that that organization was successful for a period of time.

Going to the playoffs with what Connor Cook I think in his rookie season? Coach Bob, baby. Bill O'Brien. Get him going. All right. We'll wrap up with this out of the NBA. According to multiple reports, the Cavaliers are hiring Kenny Atkinson to be their next head coach.

And this, according to Shams Sharania, Cleveland is preparing an extension offer to their star, Donovan Mitchell. And they are confident they'll be able to retain him. There was some speculation out there about whether or not Mitchell is looking for another long-term commitment to stay with the Cavaliers. and that there are some rival organizations out there, most notably the Lakers, Knicks, even the Miami Heat that are looking to make a play for the five-time All-Star. What a weird hire by the Cavs.

It's a really weird. First-time head coach, right? No. The Brooklyn Nets. That's right, yeah. That's why it's a weird hire. He's got experience. Like, why would you do that?

Dang, I don't get it. It just doesn't make any sense. Don't they keep up with the modern trends in the NBA? Oh, you wanted to be the Lakers? So they went out to hurly. should have been the ones I got a done. I'm just saying, Ryan Rosillo's got a great podcast, and the guy knows whoops. Yeah.

Maybe that's the, maybe he's the next guy who gets a gig. Yeah, by the way, the Cavs did win a game against Boston in the playoffs. Like, they did beat the Celtics in the playoffs. And if Donovan Mitchell doesn't get injured, you know, maybe that series is a little bit more interesting. You know, they can play a little defense. And it's good to see the Cleveland Cavaliers that kind of bounce. bounce back after That's what it is?

LeBron James left him high and dry again twice. That's the bounce back? Dumped him twice. Dang. It's messed up, man. I don't know how you put up with it. He left him with a championship the last time, though. Yeah, but come on man. Like, you know, don't leave a wad of cash on the table and say, hey, dad's just going to run errands.

You know, we don't need that. All right. They deserve respect, and the Cleveland Cavaliers are going to get it with a coach who's got a little bit of experience. What's all of dad, leaving cash on the table? Nothing. How did that make any sense? Well, it's like, you know, don't tell me you care and then leave cash and bail.

That's what LeBron did. He left a trophy. You already see, Dan's not coming back. Is that what you're saying? It's a must time. It was a lot of cash. Look it out for you, man. It was on the sideline for playoffs, though, you know.

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