The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Mike Tomlin has a flaw

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

Thoughts on the Steelers surprising loss to the lowly Browns on Thursday Night Football Colin thinks the Jets should consider hiring Rex Ryan as their next HC again The season is on the line for the 49ers this weekendSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd. One hour from now, the blazing five picks, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for Megan as part of your day. Just off the top, Daniel Jones, quarterback for the New York Giants. He wants to be released. They're going to grant it to him the New York Giants. Jay Mack will have this in Herdline News.

You know, what a shock. We're just past the halfway mark of the NFL season, and the Giants and the Jets are a circus. What a shock. That's why the NFL is king. Big markets don't matter. Big revenue. Not a thing.

Green Bay, Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo, small markets run the league, which is amazing. So the two New York teams are a circus. We don't even need to discuss the Jets today, but Daniel Jones has been released. know, he wants it, they're going to grant it. You know, to me, he was not a first round pick.

So he kind of got, there are better places to be as a bust in the NFL at quarterback than New York. So it was just never meant to be, and we'll get into that more later. But I want to start with this. Sometimes in the NFL, the better team doesn't always win. Last night was Pittsburgh. They're better than Cleveland, but it's a short week. It's snowy. It's a divisional rival.

Hey, James Winston can make plays. We know that. But what makes that loss painful for the Steelers, this is exactly how they lose big games against top coaches, the Belichick's, and the Brady's and the Mannings for years. You kind of think to the better team with a better roster, they're bigger, more physical, and then you look up and they make bad decisions late in games, Mike Tomlin burning a couple of timeouts. And Tomlin, for the record, I've defended him. I'd name him coach of the year. but, and I've said this many times, he's not viewed as a scheme wizard or a chess player. Either's Dan Campbell, and Dan Campbell's great, and Mike Tomlin's got a trophy or two.

So not all these coaches are the same. It's Hollywood. Daniel Day Lewis is not the rock and vice versa. They both work. So Tomlin has always been known as more motivator than innovator. And that's always been his thing. And this team, the Steelers in Tomlin's era have always had, you know, a very, very high, floor, but a lower ceiling.

I mean, hell, they lost to the Cowboys this year. And yet they beat the Ravens. And yet they lose to the Browns. And that's what they've been. And this is what drives Pittsburgh Steelers fans crazy. Is that they're always good, very high ceiling, never embarrassing, always competent,

even when they have bad quarterback play, they can make the playoffs. But you never feel they've got the Andy Reid ceiling. Or maybe the Kyle Shanahan's ceiling. Or the McVeigh ceiling. Or the McVey's ceiling. And that's just the way it is. thought the Steelers would win it. There was four and a half minutes left. They got a pick.

They'd scored on touchdowns on previous drives. I thought it was all done. But it's the kind of game where they burn some timeouts. You don't trust their fourth down call. And, you know, this is what the Pittsburgh Steelers have become. And I get it. Like last night, they're the better team. It's the better roster. They've got momentum. I don't necessarily get the going to Justin Fields when you've got Russell Wilson, especially on a big third down play, and then throwing it deep. And Justin Fields, in bad weather especially, is not really built for that. And maybe you only get six or seven snaps in the game, but I don't exactly understand the plan here.

Russell Wilson was 4-0. What are you monkeying around with that stuff? Just play Russell Wilson. Justin Fields, maybe there are certain times in a clean game, not in the road, short week, not snowstorm that you could play them. So, you know, Thursday night football is about strong. Strategy and details, and that's not necessarily the strength of the Pittsburgh Steelers, right? They're about motivation and physicality and toughness, and I love all those things.

I love all those things. But what makes the Lions that love those things great is their clever offensive coordinator and their efficiency offensively. So Mike Tomlin, on a night he had the better team and lost was terse after the L. They made more plays over the course of 60 minutes than we did. obviously we've got to own our portions of it. It's painful, but it's life in this business. We'll take a look at the tape and learn from it.

Man, we're in the midst of some thick AFC North Action, and so no rest of the weary. Okay, now you're still eight and three. You lead the division. You're still the most physical team in your division. You just beat Baltimore. Schedule's not easy, but you're eight and three. You tip the cap to James Winston and David and Jokou. We've said this all year.

Cleveland's got talent. James Winston's talented. He's a little goofy sometimes, but he's a talented kid. He made a great fourth down, played to score a touchdown. And Jokko with a two-point conversion was amazing. But this is what drives Steeler fans crazy. And Julian Edelman, who was 9-0 with the Patriots on Thursday, talks about why Tomlin specifically has been so bad as a Thursday coach.

And the reason being is Thursdays are different. You've got to use kind of the same play. plays. It's about efficiency and details because your team doesn't have. They don't feel good. Everybody's a little sore. Thursdays are different. Tomlin's team struggle with it. And here's Julian Edelman. They've never been a fundamentally sound offense of team with Tomlin there. Not like an execution style offense. They've never been that. I don't think I lost a Thursday night game because we were so fundamentally sound as an offense. And we were a smart football team that understood what we had to do to win this short week.

Yeah. And so, again, Tomlin's great on Sundays and great on Monday when the Steelers have extra rest. But on these short weeks, he's not good. And, you know, burning timeouts, dubious fourth-down decisions. They just, this was a game where you had to be short week, rival, bad weather late. It was a game in which you had to be buttoned up to win that game. I don't think it's a coincidence. Belichick was great on Thursdays.

Andy Reid's great on Thursdays. And the Steelers just didn't feel buttoned up. And I still think they're going to have a great year. I think they're going to win a playoff game. I like what I see. The Russell Wilson moved by Tomlin was smart. But this is the kind of game that can drive the Mike Tomlin critics crazy in Pittsburgh. By the way, I think if Dan Campbell met Andy Reid in the Super Bowl,

I would trust Andy Reid. some coaches are alpha they build around culture and toughness Mike Vrable's got this feel to him not all coaches are the same some have strengths some have weaknesses Tomlin's got plenty of strengths but that that was the kind of Steeler loss that drives Steeler fans nuts because you felt like we got the better team the momentum better players we have a lead this is our game and they couldn't and they couldn't end it okay so um you'll just sometimes in sports, you'll see some marriage or potential marriage. And it feels weird, but weird sometimes works in sports and in life.

And, you know, not every marriage you think is going to work, and it often does. And I got to tell you, Rex Ryan wants the New York Jets job. Now, he's the last really successful New York Jets coach. they had just for the record. And I've had my battles with Rex before. I think he's a nice guy, I really do. But he's already, this is so Rex Ryan,

he wants the Jets' job, and here's Rex talking about it. There's way too much talent on this team to play the way we've been playing, period. And how hard can you get a guy to play? That's the thing. Like, nobody's seen a team going to play the way as hard as this team's going to play in the future. Trust me, if I'm the guy, trust me.

And that's going to be it. That's what's going to separate me from all these other guys you're going to bring in. You know, your grooms, or whoever, whatever. Give me a break. They ain't New York Jets. I'm all about the Jets. I think it would work. He's qualified.

He's won. And I think, because there's such a circus, he's the only proven coach that would really want the job. job. Or do you want to give it in New York to another coordinator that gets trampled by Aaron Rogers? The Jets as a franchise are impulsive, loud, and overconfident. That is Rex Ryan's resume. He's an alpha. He'd build an alpha Detroit Lions staff. We all laughed at the Dan Campbell, biting kneecaps presser. It worked, and it worked because he got the right offensive coordinator. And the GM drafted the right players. This is a good roster.

And this franchise needs completely new energy. And this may be one of those marriages you think is not going to work. But the entire Jets team night right now with Aaron Rogers feels like it's outsourced. Right? It's kind of Aaron's team. It's outsourced to play Kate Aaron. Rex Ryan's a jet. He got along with Woody Johnson.

He's the only coach they've ever had that got along with Woody Johnson. And Woody's not going to change. So you better get somebody that could get along with Woody Johnson. They'll play hard, it sounds hokey, a lot of marriages do. But I think there's a Dan Campbell feel, and we have these coaches that we don't view necessarily as schematic wizards. Campbell's working. Mike Tomlin's working. Rex Ryan.

Rex Ryan took Mark Sanchez into New England and beat Brady. Tough, physical, in your face, low-scoring games. This organization feels outsourced since Aaron. Aaron got there. The Jets need a jet. The Jets need an alpha. The whole thing with Aaron, doesn't it feel like, Aaron, please save us.

It feels so weak. I mean, it's like the damsel in distress doesn't work in a locker room of 55 alphas. I think this franchise has some really good players. I don't think they should have fired Sala, and I don't think they should have fired the GM Joe Douglas. But the Rex Ryan thing, go ahead and laugh. I think it would work.

It would give them an identity. when Rex was there before they had an identity they were tough they were physical they were loud they were in your face they weren't intimidated by anybody I would have no problem with this or just go roll the dice on another

coordinator I mean good luck with that it feels like it would work some of these marriages in life you're like she married him he married her he's going to work for them she's going to work for them

and they work more often than you think Rex, Jets, I think it works. Jemak is rolling his eyes. He wants a new clever hipster coordinator from some Carolina or Detroit lines. You, I can tell, do not like this idea. Don't do this to me this early in the show. Come on, it's Friday, bro. I just looked up Rex Ryan's record.

First of all, you don't like hiring defensive coaches. He's a defensive coach. That's one X on it. Next, you know he got fired by Buffalo run out after two seasons. What's crazy is in Rex Ryan's tenure, one, two, three, four. The last six years he coached, he was 500 or worse. Okay? The last time he had a winning record was like 14 years ago with the Jets.

So he's basically a career loser as a head coach, and he's a defensive guy, and you want the Jets to hire this guy? First of all, Sean McDermott, Mike Tomlin, D'Amico Ryans. The kid in Arizona is doing a great job with the Cardinals. I'm not saying defensive coach has never won. work. If you have a quarterback, Josh Allen, C.J. Stroud, Kyleor Murray, Seattle's problem with a defensive

coordinator, they don't have a star quarterback. So the Jets' biggest issue is getting the quarterback. But Rex got to AFC championships and Mark Sanchez would tell you. I mean, he wasn't the most talented guy in that team. He was going up against Brady and Peyton Manning and Big Ben in their

prime. I'm not saying it's the perfect hire. But what I'm saying is, this is an impulsive ownership and that won't change. Well, Rex got along with Woody. Rex trusted Woody. 15 years ago when he was in his mid-40s. Come on, he's 61 now. He's going to be, oh my gosh, he's going to be 62 here in like three weeks.

But he's got great energies. Oh, yeah. Well, let's hire a guy for his energy. Pete Carroll was winning Super Bowls in his 60s. Please don't compare Pete Carroll, who won in college to Rex Wright. By the way, Pete Carroll, New England, fired. Pete Carroll one-year jets, ran him out of town. Pete Carroll first two years in Seattle, losing record, losing record, got the right quarterback, but Pete always had a vision.

And now, I prefer offensive coaches, but Tomlin, McDermott, Dimeco Ryan's, Belichick's career, if you get a defensive coach, as long as you have the right quarterback who can get a coordinator and the defensive guy can worry about culture, toughness, and defense, you're fine. The Jets bigger issue is Aaron hasn't been as good as they thought he was. That's the biggest issue there. Soto would still be there and Douglas would be there if Aaron was what Aaron was three years, four years ago, which is what the

Jets thought they were getting. So you want a retread quarterback in Aaron Rogers. We got that that failed. Now you want to retread coach in Rex Ryan? Come on, man. You're a smart, innovative guy. I know you had your big thing last night watching the football game. There's no way you think this is

a good idea. Look at that smirk. Look at the smirk, America. He knows that he's just needling me. I like how it gets you worked out. It's not a smirk laughing at Rex Ryan, would it potentially be a tire fire? Okay, okay, yes, but so was Adam Gase and Todd Bowles. Oh, whoa, Adam Gays. And Robert Sala.

Adam Gage got the vote of confidence from Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning did us dirty. That's why I liked him. Okay. Let me see who's going to step up and give the vote of confidence. Yeah, we got to get Rick's Ryan back in there. Let's turn back the clock 15 years. All right.

All right. Please stop. Can we get somebody, like, innovative? Dan Lannning, can we go hire him? Is he available? He's not taking that job. They'll have better offers. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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Their practices. And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, really interesting game this weekend for me is the San Francisco 49ers at 5 and 5 at Green Bay. I think it's the season for San Francisco. And if Brock healthy is pretty, I think the Niners will play pretty well. I think this is it. So their schedule gets brutal.

I was looking at their schedule this morning at Green Bay, at Buffalo, at Miami, at Arizona. They play Detroit twice. So this is rough. Don't play Detroit twice. They play Detroit. They're only five and five. And what makes it worse, the NFC North with Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota and Chicago, but the top three is so good. If the Vikings beat the Bears this weekend and the Packers beat San Francisco, Minnesota is going to be 9 and 2, the Packers are going to be 8 and 3, and San Francisco's 5 and 6.

And these guys are all vying because of Detroit. They're all vying for wild card spots. So the season's over. And again, San Francisco's schedule coming up is really, really tough. So this is it. So I had predicted before the season, I thought the Cowboys and the Niners, playoff teams, would regress. I didn't think either would fall off a cliff, and they both have.

So San Francisco off a Super Bowl loss the last time went six and ten, underachieved, and had a lot of injuries. This year, same feel, same team. The difference is this team feels old and tired, and this team feels like they need a sabbatical and a reboot. They really do to me. They're talented, but, not as talented as people think.

They're older than people acknowledge. They need a control, alt delete. I think they have to start over. I said at the trade deadline, I would have made some moves. They didn't. I think Sunday is their last stand. I do think if Bosa plays and Brock Purdy plays, they're going to go in there and have one of their better efforts of the year.

But Jordan Love, remember last time he faced these guys, he lost, and he's at home, and he is highly motivated. I think just ending the season, you know, getting to the playoffs and, you know, being knocked out about the 49ers. I mean, whoever it would have been, you know, that game is definitely going to sit with you. And, you know, that's what you've got to, you know, kind of just sit with all offseason, is going back, watching that game, kind of trying to see what you could have been better, what you could have done differently in that game. So it definitely sticks with you through the offseason and then obviously move on.

But, yeah, just knowing that that's the team that knocked us out, you know, we're definitely hungry for this game. So this is going to be a really good game. I'm not saying you have two great teams. I think Green Bay is a good team. Jordan Love, little reckless. In the last couple months, little reckless. And it starts this year, little concerning, gives San Francisco a shot.

And San Francisco is backed into a corner with a great coach and some great players. So to me, this is the one you really got to watch. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with the NFL breaking news. Daniel Jones released by the Giants.

It's been a tough week for the guy. He's wealthy, so we shouldn't cry for him. But it's been a tough week, right? Yeah. He went from essentially being demoted to playing, I guess, safety on the scout team at practice yesterday. I don't know if you saw that video. I did.

Then he goes to makes a statement to the media. I'm sure you saw that. And you felt a little bad for him. I thought he was going to cry. Like, that was tough. He stood up in front of the media and was like, hey, thanks a lot for an opportunity. And then according to the media, he went to the giant said, hey, guys, you released me. And Mara said, sure.

And now it's over for Daniel Jones in New York. He was the sixth pick in the 2019 draft. His career record, 24, 45, and 1. And he was worse after he signed the contract. He got noticeably worse. The other thing is he will now go and be a backup somewhere and he'll be a very good backup. So let's talk about that. Yeah.

Look, here's numbers the last two seasons. Remember, he's been injured, but, I mean, Colin, that's like, Bryce goes on the stuff. He signed the contract, and he became the worst starting quarterback in the league. Which some of us saw. We saw this coming. But he's a big, smart, strong kid. He's not fluid. He's not a natural thrower.

Everything feels like, you know, he's got some good DNA. He's a big, strong strapping kid that runs well. Nothing feels natural or easy for him. He's not a starter. He's not a franchise quarterback. But Sean McVeigh is like, Stafford's old. if Stafford misses two to three games a year, can Daniel Jones move the chains? That's the kind of team I could see going for.

If you're Daniel Jones and his agent, you instantly are looking for any team in the Sean McVeigh coaching tree that has a playoff pulse. And you say, I will be the backup. I will hold the clipboard. We've seen what it did for Baker Mayfield with the Rams, right? Carson Wentz had a decent moment there. And then there's a team like Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell. I think Minnesota would be a slam dunk move.

Remember, Kevin O'Connell took, what was it, the pastronaut? Josh Dobbs came in off the street last year and was like, oh my gosh. No, I think that's a great call. By the way, I want to win some people listening to my show a free beer. Next time you go out to a lounge or a bar and you want to win a trivia contest, ask people, who's the only NFC quarterback to beat Lamar Jackson? It's Daniel Jones. It's a great trivia question.

I remember that game because I was on the Ravens. They melted it in the fourth quarter. It was bad. I guess the last thing I just saw Malik Neighbors is not practicing today. He doesn't even have his helmet at Giants practice. So you've got the Daniel Jones noise, remember the Dexter Lorne and stuff.

What do you do with this? Bucks? I mean, Buccaneers are big favorites in New York. What's that locker room like? How do you handicap a game like this, Colin? Well, I would take Tampas got more to play for. They're more inspired. I think Tampa wins. I'm not going to bet it, but I think Tampa's clear side to play. I think Tampa's not a great team, but I think

they're inspired. I think Baker Mayfield does a very good job in creating belief. I think it's one of his strengths. When he's feeling good, he can spread that locker room, make him feel like this is our moment. So I think Tampa's going to win. And then you're looking for like second order effects. Let's just say Tampa goes in and the Giants are listless and it's 30 to 6. Yeah. Okay? I know you love Day Bowl. No, come on. Oh, wait. Come on. You don't think he's lost the locker room when Dexter Lawrence, a leader on the defense is saying, what are we doing? He's our best quarterback. And now he's, He's off the roster?

Daibol's got to be careful here, Colin. I know we like him, but... No, I like him. I think he's a great offensive coordinator. I don't know about head coach. You don't think he's in any trouble. All right, let's chart it here. November 22nd, Cowherd says,

Daibol's fine. Day Bull's fine. Okay. Next story is Shadur Sanders. Colorado superstar. Probably not going to win the Heistman. It might go to his teammate, Travis Hunter. But Shadour is bullish on his own draft stock.

According to Shadur, he would have been the best quarterback in last year's draft. Sanders said, I feel like I was the best quarterback in last year's draft too. He knows he's the first in this one. Ever since I was draft eligible, I knew I'm the best quarterback. So our staff put together some numbers of Shadur compared to Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels from last year. And, you know, take from these numbers what you will. I don't think Shadur is in that class of Caleb, Jaden. No.

So I've called people over the last couple of weeks. and just asked about Shadur Sanders, and they all like him. He is not Caleb Williams as a prospect. Holds the ball a little too long. There are some things that are a little concerning. Throws the ball accurately from any platform, moves well enough, but likes to be a pocket quarterback.

Shadur's a pocket quarterback. He can move, but he likes to be a pocket quarterback. It's like CJ Stroud. CJ can move a little bit, but he likes to sit in the pocket. That's what I like about him. I like that his dad's a star, star power. He can handle it. He's been around big stuff, and Prime does not baby him, according to Shadour.

So there's a lot I like him about him. I don't consider him to be an A plus, a prospect. I think he's more B plus a minus, but I think he's a starter in this league. I think I would go for it if I was like the Dallas. I think he's a very talented kid, and with a right offensive coach and some protection early in help, he'll be a successful franchise quarterback. He's not luck. He's not Trevor Lawrence probably as a prospect.

He's not, I don't think he checks as many boxes as Justin Herbert. did, or Joe Burrow did, but I think he's a very good prospect in an incredibly weak quarterback class. He is the best prospect easily at quarterback. I know you're hyping the Cowboys stuff with Shadoor, but currently Jacksonville is in pole position. But they played... I know they have Trevor Lawrence, and they paid it. No, but they play Tennessee twice, and those two teams up there are going to knock on. Okay.

Let's just say Jacksonville ends up with a... Come on. They're not going to. He's not a good enough prospect to drive him. Does Jacksonville consider rebooting... No. quarterback on the rookie deal, get a haul for Trevor Lawrence, and start over. I mean, Jacksonville is willing probably to do anything.

I would never try to predict what Jacksonville is going to do. You're going to have a new coach. What if Belichick says yet? Trevor Lawrence, take him a little. Give me shit to her. And then you get the quarterback on the rookie deal, and you can spend, spend, spend, and you probably get a boatload of picks for Trevor Lawrence. I don't think it's the craziest thing.

I wouldn't do it, but I don't think it's the craziest thing. I just came up with that on the spot, and I kind of love it. Trevor Lawrence would have a huge market. Massive. He'd have 18. I mean, the Jets would give up seven first round months. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence would have a huge market, which always concerns you. Don't let go of somebody if they're going to have a huge market in whatever industry it is.

Not smart. But the rookie contract, that's the kicker. That's where you really excel. Final story, Colin. Oh, boy. I'm sure you were watching this last night. The Lakers fan lost their first game in over two weeks to Orlando. It was a brutal ending.

Anthony Davis clanged two free throws. with 19 seconds left, and then one of the Wagner brothers comes down and hits that nice step back three over Cam Reddish, and then AD misses at the buzzer. JJ Reddick shared what he does after the loss. What do you do to sort of, because now that you're doing this all the time, being in the rhythm of losing and winning and all of that is, I'm sure, an experience you have to figure out how to figure out late at night. Thank you. I go to a very dark place, literally. It's the basement. I turn the lights out, and I watch football.

film. That's what you're getting away from the game. Congratulations. Yeah, that's my therapy. It'll be fine. Listen, it's the NBA. It's 82 games. Steelers lost to an inferior team. Lakers will lose to inferior teams. It's okay. I remember when Michael Jordan, the best team ever, Michael Jordan one year, I think they lost to the Raptors twice. They were like an expansion team or something. I remember it happens. What way you lost? LeBron missed free throws AD? Well, LeBron's never been a great late game free throw. I mean, he was only one or two. AD is the big culprit. Well, again, I don't look at AD and LeBron is elite free throw shooters to close out games. That's always been the biggest knock on LeBron.

You don't trust him with a free throw late. He's not terrible. He's not Tim Duncan or Shack. LeBron, by the way, was amazing last night. Yeah, of course he was. He was carried. No, it's not. I just think, this is the NBA.

You can't lose any sleep on this stuff. You're going to lose games to a young, energetic Orlando team that gets to play LeBron James. And they come in a hair on fire. By the way, what do you do after a tough, tough loss like that? Are you a dark place guy? Are you? No. No.

What do you do? Just wipe it. Life is a chalkboard. Just wipe it and start over. It's okay. I don't go to a dark place. Well, unless it's a lounge. Jay Mack with a news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. There is a college football game this weekend where one wildly talented team at home is a huge favorite. But they just lost their best offensive linemen, and they've struggled in big games. So Indiana is at Ohio State. Buckeyes favored by like two touchdowns. And I was looking

this morning at the talent discrepancy between these two. On the Indiana and Ohio State rosters, Ohio State has 14 five-star recruits. Indiana's zero. Ohio State has 55, four-star recruits, Indiana 10. So it's a talent mismatch. You're a at home, but all the pressures on the Buckeyes. And it's one thing to lose to Jim Harbaugh, Clemson, Georgia, even losing to Oregon at Otton Stadium. Who wins at Outson Stadium? I'll tell you who.

The Ducks, always. Losing to Harbaugh. They had 18 players invited to the Combine, a record. Losing to Georgia. They had 15 players drafted. I think that was a record. This could get ugly. Georgia, Michigan, Clemson, Otton Stadium.

People are mad for about a day and a half. But this Ohio State team has a little whack-a-mole thing. Every time they play a big game, there's something else that disappoints you. So Indiana is a basketball school. Indiana is far less talented. Hey, the pressure is 100% on Ohio State. So the Buckeyes love, Buckeye fans, they're like no other fan base. They lead the college football.

They lead the industry in pointing fingers. Conor Stallions, SEC, refs, bias, media, grab a mirror if you lose to Indiana, because this is a massive, massive talent disparity. Ohio State is favored by two touchdowns. If you look at the five-star and the four-star athletes and the recruiting services do a good job, they miss, but by and large recruiting services, they're giving guys five and four stars because they're watching the coaches that want the high school athletes. you know, if Kirby Smart's interested, and, you know, the top coaches, Ohio State and Michigan are interested, you get more stars.

So I think this game is fascinating. Because I think Indiana, when I watch their offense, it's got a little bit of an Oregon feel. Now, I don't think Oregon would have beaten Ohio State in Columbus. And Ohio State did go to Penn State and win, and Penn State's hammered a lot of people. So I think Ohio State wins. But I think it's going to be closer than two touchdowns. And I think a lot of this is there's a lot of pressure on Ohio State here. There's a lot of pressure.

So I'm going to take Ohio State to win. But two touchdowns feels blow out. And this is a really, really well-coached team, which shares some of Oregon's offensive identity. Did you see the line movement in this game yesterday, Colin? It was 13 and a half and it cratered to 10. And I don't know. So the speculation is, is there a major injury?

Not that center on the offensive line. But is there a quarterback injury, suspension? Is something coming down? Because that's a significant move 13 and a half to 10. When the line came out, my first take is that's, that doesn't, you know, I'm a much better NFL than college, better on average. I have a better sense. There's so many college teams.

I generally in college take the favorite. When the NFL, like this week, I'm taking four underdogs. I like dogs. I like value dogs in the NFL. I tend to like favorites in college. So I thought the line was out of sorts. Ohio State has all the, I mean, Indiana's going in there thinking, hey, if we keep it close and lose, we're a playoff team.

I mean, if Indiana loses 28, 23, you're like, oh, Indiana is good enough to be in the playoff. This is one of those style points matter. Yeah, the Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana. You're like in Oregon, they're the four teams from the Big Ten. But I think style points matter this weekend. If Ohio State wins, I'm not going to pick it apart, a win to win to win. But there is some value in having no pressure on you.

That's a rare spot when you're undefeated in a good team and there's no pressure on you. And that's Indiana. I mean, you get on that plane flying back to Bloomington, having lost 2823, and had a chance late in the game to take the lead, you get in that locker room and on that plane and the spirit of your program is, we can play. with anybody and you lost. So that's an advantage. I like Ohio State, but 13 and a half was dumb. To me, any sense.

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He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup,

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That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing?

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As Purdue takes on Michigan State, the action begins at 8 Eastern only on Fox. So, you know, there was a story Jay Glazer first reported it when the Bears fired or, you know, got rid of Shane Waldron that Caleb Williams stood up in front of the team and, you know, heartfelt, it's on me, I apologize, and, you know, Caleb really let go emotionally, vulnerable, stood up in front of the team, and the team was really into it. DJ Morris' teammate

said it bought a lot of, you know, legitimacy and gravitas to the moment. A lot of the veteran players looked at Caleb as like, he grew up, he admitted he was part of the problem, so it was a big moment for him, he had self-awareness. But let's, we have 10 starts with Caleb Williams. Let's take a big view of what we have. two different play callers,

a three-game winning streak, and a four-game losing streak, a Hail Mary loss, but yet a win in the opener when Caleb threw for under 100 yards. Through it all, Caleb has completed 62 and a half percent of his throws. Not bad for a guy playing in front of a weak

offensive line that's a rookie. He completed 74% last week. I think that's closer to who he is than 62%. But it's not terrible, even at 62%. He has three games now without a turnover. His passer rating, if you take out his first two weeks when everybody, including Bo Nix, was completely lost, his passer rating is 92 and a half.

Again, that's not bad. Bad offensive line. He's remarkably athletic. You've got a winning streak. He had his most accurate outing last week. He's not turning the ball over. He's hyper athletic. And if you take out the first two games as a pro quarterback, his passer rating's 92.

It's not terrible. That's where we are. It has been what rookie seasons are, probably too much hype with him. But the offensive line, we would all admit, was and is a problem. We thought it was getting better. It got worse. So he's also about to become the rookie bear quarterback all-time passing leader. So actually, there's a lot to like about it.

I predicted the Bears would win seven games, maybe eight, and finish fourth. That's what they're on track to do, I think potentially. the schedule do not get fixated on the schedule. The NFC North is the best division in football. You're going to have three playoff teams out of there potentially if Minnesota or Green Bay don't flail. So if you can get to seven wins, seven and ten, his passer rating is around 90. He's not turning the ball over a ton. He's got a bad old line and he had to be moved to his second play caller.

It's not terrible. I mean, Greg Co. watch this week sees a lot of things he likes one of the things that really stood out to me and I think with a quarterback like Caleb Williams no matter how gifted he is and by the way he is one of the most gifted

throwers I've seen recently just the way the ball comes out but you needed to sort of build up his confidence build it back yeah they did they schemed up layups they got rid of the ball quicker if you just take a big

I mean folks if he played in the The NFC South and not the NFC North, this could be a nine-win team. You got Tampa, Atlanta, Carolina. They don't. They play in the best division. And it's a division where the offenses are supremely talented. So it's hard to win close, low-scoring games. And they should have last weekend.

They outplayed the Packers. So the first thing I look at is, is he turning the ball over a ton. He's not. He's not. He's not lost. He's not turning the ball over a ton. The game's not too fast for him. He's got a bad offensive.

line and he needed a new play caller. He's not turning it over a lot. He's accurate enough. Last week, 74%, he's accurate enough. He'll probably, if he could finish like 63% accuracy. That's, that's, that's for a rookie with a battle line and a great division. His passer rating's 92. If you take out the first two game, Bo Nix was lost.

Look how good Bo Nix is with Sean Payton. He was lost the first two weeks. Can't ask these guys to walk in and be great. I mean, Jaden Daniels was, but now he's regressed. This is what it looks like. C.J. Stroud last year had three games in a row. He stunk. I mean, it's just,

Justin Herbert's finally got the right coach, finally has the right offensive tackles. Oh, he looks pretty good. So it's more, you can't just get fixated on winning and losing. It is a process. I think there's a lot to like here. So,

um, I said this, uh, the Browns beat the Steelers last night. I am not sure what to make. Of the Justin Field snaps. Now, it was only seven.

Um, you know, My take was, well, it's a slippery surface, hard to get your footing, element of surprise, Justin Fields runs around. I did not like, though, third and four, Steelers up. Russell Wilson's good on third down. They bring him in, and Justin Fields misses on a deep ball. It's like, guys, that's what Russell Wilson's good at.

Russell Wilson's good at the deep ball. Let's let him throw them. Justin Fields is not. I didn't like that. It didn't feel very organized to me. That whole situation, I think, you know, Russell wants to come in. Russell doesn't want to replace. It's only seven snaps, but seven snaps can be a lot in a close game, short week, snowy weather on the road.

I think six of the seven were in the second half. It didn't feel terribly organized. What was the exact plan? Was it because the surface was slippery? Russell Wilson was four and oh, throws a deep ball. It was third down. Russell had been good on third down, so it's kind of classic Tomlin. There's things I like about him, but I didn't feel like it was terribly organized.

And I don't have anything against Justin Fields, but I think you can say this about Justin Fields and Pittsburgh. When he comes in, the more he plays, the more predictable he becomes. You kind of know he's coming in to run. That's kind of what it feels like. So here's Mike Tomlin on the decision after. No, I don't think that the weather was a factor. We had intentions on using him and we did. You know, I don't know that the weather conditions were a factor in that decision maker. No starter wants to be pulled, especially a starter that's 4 and O as a starter. And let's be honest, finally gals. Calvinized the offense. Like, I just, I don't know what to make of it, J-Mack, do you? Yeah, one of us kind of saw this coming yesterday, huh? Remember that conversation?

So a couple things are at play. I know you're like, oh, they're 4-0. Colin, first four quarters of the Ravens game, did they score a touchdown? First three quarters last night, did they score a touchdown? So all of a sudden, the offense hitting a bit of a drought in the division. And he decided, let's change it up. Let's get some Justin Fields. Oh, by the way, the Browns last week got torched by Taysom

Hill who ran for like a billion yards. So I'm sure Tomlin saw that and was like, oh, we can put some Justin Fields and Taysam Hill situations. Browns are ready, but I'm just going to go back to it. I don't love the down-to-down stuff from Russell Wilson. He had a couple splash plays, but

the success, down-to-down basis is not happening. I'm telling you. Have you looked at the Steelers schedule, by the way? No, it's tough. I'm not saying sky's falling, but could you have two more wins on their schedule? Here it is. Find me the next two wins that they have. Next week against Cincinnati at home and the following week with Cleveland.

The Bengals off a buy? Steelers exhausted from playing two divisional matchups in a row and that's an automatic win. Okay. Next one is the Browns? I'll give you that. So there's the Browns. And then look at that gauntlet to end the season. Nine wins?

Nine and seven? No, I think they're going to be ten and seven. And are they in over, say, Miami or Denver? I would take them to beat Miami in a playoff game. Oh, I'm just saying Miami could beat them to the playoff spot. Now, 10 would be tough for Miami to topple. I think Miami's very interesting. I think that New England Miami game is going to be closer.

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