The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - NFL new kickoff rule

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

Colin calms NFL fans down by saying the new kickoff rule during the Hall of Fame game may seem weird but will become normal over the season Bears QB Caleb Williams should have gotten a few reps last n...ight  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:00 So I watched with anticipation for the new kickoff rule. I was hoping for Caleb Williams. Still don't know why he didn't play. We'll get into that later. But I got a few thoughts on the new kickoff rule. It was jarring for sure. Jarring. Yes.
Starting point is 00:03:16 A little video game looking. It looks a little odd. But, and I think about this a lot in my life, what was the intent? The intent is we're trying to reduce the number of concussions for these amazing athletes who put their body in harm's way. Generally in my life, if your intent is good, I'm good. I don't have to agree.
Starting point is 00:03:41 I don't have to agree with every single position or policy of my favorite political candidate to vote for them. I don't have to agree with my wife on every debate we have to lover. I've worked at companies that make decisions I don't agree with. I can still like a company. People in life are too rigid. Americans complain too much. Football is amazing. Stop seeking perfection.
Starting point is 00:04:08 You want perfection? Look in the mirror. Do you live up to that standard? Football's not perfect, but it's great. There's a lot of rules in football I don't like. I think it's way too punitive that you fumble out of the end zone and in football you lose possession. I think that's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:04:24 I think college football has pass interference right, where it's a 15-yard penalty, not 58 yards because your legs get tangled up. The NFL's not perfect, but they're always willing, unlike baseball, to change things. The catch rule was screwy for several years, and they changed it. In basketball, the Olympics have the FIBA rules. The NBA has their rules. I actually prefer some of the FIBA rules.
Starting point is 00:04:51 If your intent is in the right place to protect these amazing athletes, who are putting their body in treacherous positions in a sport with semi-regulated levels of violence, then I'm okay with it. I remember when UFC started, Dana White and the Fratitas came out, and they took out some of the more ugly eye-gouging, and all the UFC fans complained, oh, why don't you put a skirt on? The sport has done nothing but explode and grow.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Yes, I know there's the guys out there. why don't you just play flag football? Oh, yeah, because nobody would watch it. I love soft pudgy guy on the couch suddenly telling me the league went soft. This league is for men, big, strong men, colliding into each other. Let's create rules that at least protect them. And by the way, I watched the kickoffs last night. Seven of eight were returned.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Seven of eight, more football, just like when they changed the PAT. rule. More real football. Less going to the fridge for another beer. Last year, 73% of kickoffs were touchbacks. Less football. Trust the NFL. They know what they're doing. They're not perfect, but their rules committee makes changes almost always for the right reasons. It's better for the fans, or in this instance, it's healthier for the players. Listen, it looks a little odd. It'll takes them getting used to. So did the three point line the first year it came out. And then I got used to it. Here's the Bears coach, Matt Eberfluse, on the new kickoff rule. You have to figure it out like, hey, what is it going to look like? So certainly we've tried different things on the
Starting point is 00:06:46 return team and different, you know, way to attack on the cover team and putting different bodies in different spots. So we're really just trying to figure it out. And I think that's where all coaches are. We're just trying to figure it out and do the best thing we can. And that's going to be ongoing through the whole season. And then you'll have to adjust. That's the way the NFL is. Many of you romanticize about the dream team. This Olympic basketball team, deeper, more talented, more skilled, more positionless. And many of you, when the NFL brought out rules to protect the quarterback, I was at another company. This will ruin the game and the ratings and the revenue have gone up, up, up, up.
Starting point is 00:07:25 I don't watch football for players getting hurt and violence. I watch it for efficiency, great offense, amazing quarterback play. And yet last year, with all the protective measures with quarterbacks, over 60 took a snap. You don't watch football for the kickoffs. Stop it. Three out of four go into the end zone.
Starting point is 00:07:48 How many kickoff returns for touchdowns were there in the NFL last year? less than a half dozen, I bet you we have more this year. But I also know for a fact, you'll have more kicks returned. And let's circle back to the very beginning. If the intent in life is good, I'm not seeking perfection. They're doing it for the right reasons. Take a deep breath. Change is hard for a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:08:17 You're still going to watch the games. So I saw this. The NFL, interesting story. It feels small, but is it? The NFL had to shut down a rulebook loophole that was being exploited last year by three teams. The three teams were the Miami Dolphins, the San Francisco 49ers, and the Los Angeles Rams. Hmm. In week one, the dolphins used a certain motion that it looked like players often got a running start.
Starting point is 00:09:00 So what are those three teams have in common? All three have really smart, young offensive coaches. By the way, the three teams that led the NFL in motion last year and deception, the same three teams. For the record, I want my accountant and my coaches pushing the emperts. using anything they can that is legal. And it was. Now, the league can step in, just like the IRS can and close a loophole. But I want my coaches pushing to the edge.
Starting point is 00:09:34 If you go to the last, like, 12 coaches that have got to Super Bowls or the AFC NFC championship, I think it's like 11 of 12. John Harbaugh is the only exception, but he knows offense. 11 of 12 have been offensive coaches. Push, push, push. push, apologize later. Create, progressive, smart, looking for loopholes and edges. Bill Belichick was a great coach.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Brady retired. He fell off a cliff. Look around at the teams that run less motion, struggle to rebuild offensive lines, aren't very creative. It's overwhelmingly defensive staffs, defensive-leaning cultures. That doesn't mean Demico Ryan's can't win a Super Bowl if he gets a star quarterback, but if he loses his OC, watch out. If I'm an owner today,
Starting point is 00:10:23 I am looking around thinking, why did my coaches not use that loophole? That won the Rams and the Dolphins and the Niners games. Why is my accountant not doing that? Why is my owner not doing that? You know what rich guys probably do when they see somebody gets a loophole shut down by the IRS? They call their accountant and say,
Starting point is 00:10:42 why weren't you using that? And that's what I'm doing today as a GM or, or an owner. Petsburgh, Mike Tomlin, why weren't you using that? Pete Carroll's last year. Why weren't you doing that? I want my coaches to push the envelope.
Starting point is 00:10:59 By the way, Philadelphia, the Tush Push. Make the league outlaw it. I think it's dangerous to have your quarterback in a position where players are pushing him from behind. I saw a couple of quarterbacks. I think Daniel Jones or Herbert actually got a little dinged up with the tush push. But I love the creativity of it.
Starting point is 00:11:20 I love the Eagles creating something that absolutely moved the chains and without a doubt won a game or two. There's no question they extended drives throughout the course of the last two years with a tush push. It may not work without Jason Kelsey and Jalen Hertz and Nick Seriani may move off it or the league may end it. That's up for debate. I think it's an ugly play that could get guys hurt.
Starting point is 00:11:44 But make the league. league outlawed. Push to the very edge. All right. Albert Breers coming up about an hour from now. J. Mack, I'm watching this Olympic basketball, mostly guys. I would watch more if Caitlin Clark was playing on the other side, but it's such mismashes. And Steve Kerr got a little testy yesterday.
Starting point is 00:12:07 I saw that, yes. He got a little testy with us. And I'm going to defend us. Because I'm going to, I think. love Steve Kerr. I think he's really smart. He was a Portland Trailblazer for a brief time when I cover the team. So one of the smartest guys that's
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Starting point is 00:16:34 Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. So I'm happy in the Hall of Fame game that backup Brett Rippin was slinging it. And that's great. But as I watched the game, my takeaway was, why didn't Caleb Williams play? Like, I get veterans not playing. I get banged up offensive or defensive linemen not playing. I totally get it.
Starting point is 00:17:00 But as a rookie versus vanilla schemes, let's chop it up. I mean, Caleb Williams hasn't played since like November. Like, I think it's time to play a little bit. Andrew Luck, for the record, played almost the entire first half of his first preseason game. Tom Brady debuted in this game, the Hall of Fame game. Patrick Mahomes plays in the preseason. And I think Caleb's going to be very successful. How successful, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:17:30 It's the Bears. And the Bears have a history of screwing stuff up with young quarter. They either draft the wrong one or they don't protect him with offensive line or they hire the wrong coach or coordinator for the young quarterback. So let's not treat Caleb Williams like a star or superstar before he's actually very good. And I said yesterday, I do think he's the only quarterback in this draft that if the organization can't get it right, he'll be productive. He'll be like Kyler Murray is the example I used. He'll get paid. He'll have good stats.
Starting point is 00:18:08 He'll move the chains. But there's a lot of doubters. I'll tell you this. It's not Andrew Luck. When Andrew Luck came out, I called every exec and scout I knew the year before he came out. And they were like, that's Elway. Stanford, smart, tough, arm moves.
Starting point is 00:18:27 That's Elway. Elway's considered the greatest prospect ever. That's Elway. Trevor Lawrence had people that pushed back, even though I loved him. Greg CoSell to this day is like he's not as talented Colin as you think. Caleb Williams gets pushback. The fingernails with vulgarity on them, jumping into the stands. He could be moody on the sidelines.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Sometimes his accuracy was a little hit and miss. The perpetual ad-libbing out of plays designed by Lincoln Riley that could be successful. And add to all of that, the Chicago Bears, who screwed up all the time on offense. So he is not a slam dunk. I think he's too talented not to be productive. But remember, Patrick Mahomes sat, has had Andy Reid, Steve Spagnola, Travis Kelsey, a great GM and great ownership. Do you know the only MLS team?
Starting point is 00:19:18 I'm told there's only one or two MLS teams that are highly profitable. One of them's Dallas FC. Who's it owned by? Clark Hunt. Who owns the Chiefs? Clark Hunt. Patrick Mahomes would go into the weeds. all the time. And Andy Reid would pull him back and get his mechanics on track. Matt Eberfluse,
Starting point is 00:19:37 that's not his specialty. Again, you have in Kansas City, great ownership, not good, great front office, great coach, great support system. You don't really have that in Chicago. I think Ryan Poles the GM has been impressive in the last 18 months, but you don't have great ownership, little old and out of touch. We don't know about Matt Eberflue. We don't know about Matt Eberflue. the targets young and old many pass their prime outside of DJ more or too young to be substantially impactful so I don't understand I mean only one I start looking at these quarterbacks and you can't play scared I mean only one quarterback in the league the last two years has played every started every game played every snap right so it's like you just got to play guys
Starting point is 00:20:26 if they get hurt and what do you do you cross your fingers so he didn't have good offensive lines at USC and he didn't get banged up very much. So I just, I didn't get it. Andrew Luck, first time he could play, played him for a first half. Vanilla schemes against third teamers, get him some snaps, let him chop it up. Jay Mack with the news.
Starting point is 00:20:46 No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. That's a not great news to start the show. Justin Herbert was diagnosed with plantar fascia in his right foot. which will put him in a walking boot for the next two weeks. Very painful. Following the walking boot, Herbert will be on a gradual return to play protocol
Starting point is 00:21:08 but is expected to be ready for week one. This is not great. I know several moms and dads who have plantar fasciitis, and it just doesn't go away. I don't know how an NFL quarterback is going to deal with this. I mean, if he's not 100%, you just forget the season, right? Chargers are not going to contend or compete. for anything.
Starting point is 00:21:32 I've said, the next month is the worst month for football. There's no great news for the next month. There's only bad news. What's the best news you could get? Hey, that rookie in the fourth round looks like he may
Starting point is 00:21:48 start. That's not great news. It's good news. There's encouraging news. So this is the only month of the year in football where the news is all bad. The rest of it's rumor, speculation, which is fun. We dabble in that. That's fun. You never know. But yeah, this is a bad month.
Starting point is 00:22:03 This is Cross Your Fingers Month. Every morning I get up, I go to the NFL wire. First thing I look at is, is everybody healthy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's clutch. All right, next up, let's go to Brock Purdy. You were kind of scoffing at the combined seven interceptions he had in practice on Monday Tuesday. Scary.
Starting point is 00:22:20 You know, now turn over free on Wednesday. He was lightened it up. But I guess Brock Purdy heard your derision, and he's addressed why he's throwing so many picks in the warm-up to the pre-stop to the preseason. You want to go out, you want to be efficient, you want to go through reeds and obviously protect the ball and whatnot. But right now is the time for us to go out and, you know, you always see the quarterback
Starting point is 00:22:40 say experiment, but that's really what it is. Can I fit it in this window on this hits? Can I look off Fred or Flan or Devandre in a certain way and then make that throwback side? You've got to try it out. I mean, in the game and in the season, it comes down to protecting the ball every snap, every player. So you can't necessarily try those things out.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Right now we can. And so my mindset right now is, you know, protect the ball, but let's be aggressive. Let's try this out. Let's figure it out. You know, did you see the crowds there at Niners camp? It's packed. Yeah. You see in the crowds at Cowboy Camp, nobody's there.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Now, I was thinking about this. So if you live in the Midwest or the East Coast, you may not know this. But the Niners are the Yankees of the West Coast. No matter what stadium you go into in the NFL, they'll bring 30,000 people to a Raiders game to a Chargers game to a Rams game. They'll turn your stadium red. It's like the Yankees, at the height of the Yankees power is you see Yankee hats everywhere. And they're kind of the baseball team that moves the needle.
Starting point is 00:23:40 I watch crowds, and I started watching over the last couple of years watch the ratings. The Cowboys still do well. But even in Dallas, there's sort of an apathy about them at their camp. The attendance has been really unspectacular. And I'm dead serious on this. I wonder if the Niners, they've been so good for so many years and so exciting and so star-tusted, and we're a celebrity culture. Everybody plays fantasy football.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Everybody's betting. So, you know, everybody now, what team has the most stars? The Niners by far. I wonder if slowly, and I'm serious, if the Niners aren't becoming America's team. They've got like nine star players. The Cowboys have three. And Cowboy fans in a survey this week said, yeah, we have no. chance to get to the Super Bowl over the next 10 years.
Starting point is 00:24:30 So when Cowboy fans are bailing, what does it tell you? I'm fascinated to watch the early ratings this year. I feel like most of my life. Now, when I was young, J. Mack, in the 70s, I felt like the Steelers were America's team. Well, they were, they were, didn't they win three or four Super Bowl? Well, they were just, they were just, they had like nine Hall of Famers. And the steelworkers eventually around the country who had been displaced would move around the country We had Steeler bars everywhere.
Starting point is 00:24:59 And then I felt during Farrb's run, it was a little bit like the Packers got really, really popular. The numbers were very even with the Cowboys during the Favre run. Favre was beloved. So it's like mid-late 90s? But if you go to the Niners since Bill Walsh and Montana and even the Kaepernick years, they were exciting. And now I kind of feel like, I should go upstairs and ask Mike Molde Hill. I wonder if the next. Niners aren't becoming, we've hit a Rubicon, that they're going to move past the Cowboys as the most
Starting point is 00:25:33 popular national team. It's possible. Listen, Niners Jets, Week 1 is going to have a massive number. That's huge. When's the last Niners game that didn't get a massive number? Rogers returning. And think about how big the brand is, they're quarterbacks. They're, you know, eight best players.
Starting point is 00:25:48 The quarterback's not a superstar. So whereas the Cowboys were led by Romo or Dak or eight men. Romo? You could lead by Romo, but you can't. led by Purdy? Romo was wildly popular and polarizing. Tell me how many times he finished top three in the MVP voting. Why is he at CBS doing the games?
Starting point is 00:26:05 What does that mean? He's popular. This isn't a good quarterback. He was a B plus quarterback. So what's Purdy? A B quarterback. Oh, stop! That's insane. But by the way, Purdy makes a great point about, hey, I'm going to toss interceptions in camp. Who cares?
Starting point is 00:26:21 This is when you're time to experiment. I'm going to fit it in this window. That's right. I know people are going over. trying to bash Purdy. We're not. First of all, making fun of his camp interceptions, this show is not that serious. I agree. A little tongue-in-cheek
Starting point is 00:26:35 on the show. That being said, we both like to pick our favorites, and it's clear Purdy's not one of your favorites, and he has become one of mine, as I'm a champion for the underdog, you, the coastal elite, you like your super-sourge. Patrick Mahomes, he's so good.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Yeah, kind of. He really is. I'll champion the underdog. A final story is, oh, here we go, Jack Prescott for fading America's team. Still waiting for that long-term deal as he enters the final year of his contract. He had a one-on-one sit-down with the Dallas TV stations,
Starting point is 00:27:08 and Colin, he can't stop talking about the possibility of finishing his career elsewhere. Oh, let me hear, let me hear. Having a kid, your perspective changes a little bit of life. A lot of quarterbacks have done that, and that's just the business and the nature of this game. That's me not being naive
Starting point is 00:27:24 to that and to those potentials. And as a said in that press conference. It's not something that I look for or prepare or even plan for, but if something like that happens, I'll be most certainly ready for it. I've got a ton of confidence, but that's also not something that honestly I think about. I'm here in training camp and focused on this year. I'm on a contract for this year, and that's all I really care about. You know, I think those are, I don't have a problem with any of that.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Listen, if DAC is going to do interviews and people are obviously going to ask about it, he has are right to answer the question. I don't feel like he's feeding anything. I think those are very grown-up. Dak has never disappointed me in front of a microphone. I think he is the model. Dak Prescott is the NFL model of how to act at the podium
Starting point is 00:28:09 and in interviews. He's literally as good as I've ever seen. He's very... He's like Brady. Franchise quarterback. No, I mean... And by the way, that matters. I know you guys out there think it's about arm and speed. That is a big deal. He is the role... He is the role...
Starting point is 00:28:24 model for how to act at the podium and during an interview. Yeah, you get like the rookie quarterback symposium or whatever and you put on a DAC video, this is what we want from you at the podium. Now, let me ask you, true or false, this is the best three-year run for the Cowboys post-Troy Aikman. Yeah. True, right? If I'm Dak Prescott, I go to Dallas and say, I'm your guy. You guys drafted me.
Starting point is 00:28:46 I've been here forever. I'm eligible to make a lot of money from it. If you don't want to pay that to me, guess what? I'm okay taking less money to go elsewhere. And I would not be surprised if that unfolds here. He knows, hey, I'm your guy. Jerry, pay me the money. And if you don't want to pay me, fine.
Starting point is 00:29:03 I don't mind going to play it for 45 for the Raiders. You know why? Out of principle that you're not showing me the respect I deserve for what I did for this team. Well, I think Dak Prescott is complex. So one of the things I take pride in is I can admit I'm wrong. And I can also say, I don't love Dak's. talent necessarily. I think he's pretty okay throwing and moving.
Starting point is 00:29:27 But two things I love is his ability to be a grown-up and also his work ethic. Clearly the players love him in the locker room. He's a leader. Here's the other thing I could admit. There's going to be a bigger market for DAC than anybody thinks.
Starting point is 00:29:42 I have already talked to one general manager in the last month that will be very interested in Dak Prescott. Why? If you're a chaotic organization, with a temperamental weird owner, Dak Prescott brings the temperature down. Okay, that's...
Starting point is 00:29:58 That is a... Let me tell you some. It used to be NFL owners were worth $800 million. $700 million, $700 million, 10 years ago, 12 years ago. So you just didn't fire a staff. It wasn't a rounding error.
Starting point is 00:30:13 You didn't want to pay $28 million for this. Now they're worth $4 billion, $3 billion, $6 billion. When people get richer, they get crazier. Okay? And these owners now are more impulsive. There's a higher percentage
Starting point is 00:30:28 of Looney Tunes upstairs. And when coaches know the owner's wacko, what do they want? Stability on the field and it quarterback. Dak just put, in Dak's helmet or back of his jersey,
Starting point is 00:30:41 it should say grown up, adult. And I'm telling you, more than people think watching this show, general managers and coaches have to put out fire because a Looney Tunes upstairs. I can name five off the top of my head.
Starting point is 00:30:56 And so Dak will bring the temperature down, he'll win you games. There's a lot I like about Dak. I don't want to pay him $59 million, but if I have to go 52, the cap's going to go up $13 million next year or the year after I'll live. He's in a no tax, great tax situation in Texas. If the Raiders want him another great tax situation in Nevada, now there are some other teams that could be interested that are in high tax dates where maybe that $3, 4, 5, $7 million is going to matter to them, right?
Starting point is 00:31:30 Like, I don't think this is slam dunk. I don't think DAC has driven by money. I think he's driven by respect that this organization post-Romo could have teetered into the abyss and DAC won 13 games as a rookie. He's kept him on television. He's gotten him into the playoffs in a division with Philadelphia. And I think Dak's looking for a level of respect. and I can respect that.
Starting point is 00:31:50 And would you say that he's not getting that respect currently? No, he's been respected. I'm just saying. No, no, that right now. I think he's always been, I think Dallas has treated him fairly. This is going to be wrapped up before the end of the season. End of the season or preseason? End of the season.
Starting point is 00:32:10 I think they'll get the, I think they'll get the, the mic is going to get wrapped up pretty quick too. But I don't worry about that. Because if Dak comes out and plays like he did last year, You can't pay him anything less than top dollar. If he has another year like last year where he was excellent. Jerry Jones has proven, despite what Jerry says, it's more important for him to be relevant than great. Jerry proves that time and time again. He signs stars to contracts.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Jerry loves to be in the news. I've argued this before. That Jerry pushes all these contracts down the road. Why? Because people like us talk about him. Instead of signing a quick contract. and getting off television, Jerry loves it being discussed for four or five, six months. That last contract got discussed for a year.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Jerry's like free publicity. Jerry tells you wants to win the Super Bowl. Know what Jerry wants to be is relevant. It's good for business. It sells merch. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.
Starting point is 00:33:11 The herd lie news. You see, college football teams out for practice. I'm told Lincoln Riley's on the hot seat. he's not by the way very excited for this season it's going to be a massive college football year i can't get enough of it so uh two stories yesterday about um the olympic men's basketball team number one uh steve curr reacting to all the tatum topics and the embied criticism says listen the NBA is popular worldwide said steve Kerr regular season's kind of a soap opera we understand that social media takes over.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Everybody now gets so dramatic. I think we have to give the guys more credit. They're going to, you know, they understand what the gold medal means. Snoop Dog came out and reported that the men's basketball players are unbothered by Steve Kerr's rotations. Okay, so let me support the media here a little bit. And I don't always. Yes, people overreact in the media and they get very dramatic.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Yes. And I do think players Snoop Dogg is right are unbothered by. this. But Jason Tatum playing no minutes is newsworthy. And Joel Embed once again clogging up an offense and being yanked out of a game two and a half minutes in is newsworthy as a former NBA MVP. Now, NBA players, I think, are smart. They understand that this is the Olympics. There is no bench. Bench guys are all NBA. It's only 40 minutes. It's eight minutes shorter. It is harder
Starting point is 00:34:51 to get guys in, but I will argue no minutes for a guy two years ago that was the most valuable player in the league, M-beat, and he clearly clogs up and messes up the offense. And no minutes in the game for Jason Tatum. When Derek White,
Starting point is 00:35:07 the fourth best player or fifth best player for the Celtics, is getting substantial minutes, it's newsworthy. It needs to be talked about. And the other thing is social media is a big part of the NBA's popularity. We watch football. How do I know? I work at a TV network. I see the ratings every day. We watch college football. We watch the NFL. We sort of debate the NBA. We don't watch it. We don't really watch college basketball's regular season. We watch the tournament because it's a bracket. And we don't really watch the NBA until you get mostly to the finals or maybe.
Starting point is 00:35:45 maybe occasionally a conference finals, but we debated on social media. And that's okay. Baseball gets neither big ratings or debate on social media. So that's a lane that the NBA does well at. But I can't unsee what I didn't see with Embed, which is not playing, which is getting yanked off the floor in two minutes. It's newsworthy. It's debatable. It's discussable.
Starting point is 00:36:12 Again, it'd be one thing if the only Celtic on the team was tated. but when Derek White and Drew Holiday are playing substantial minutes and Tatum gets none? I've been told he's first team all NBA, top five player for a year. None? It's something. Listen, when Isaiah Thomas didn't make the team. Dream Team, it was newsworthy when Jaylen Brown didn't make this team. Finals MVP?
Starting point is 00:36:39 Conference Finals MVP? It's newsworthy. Now, I'm not saying the media can't be a little over. little over dramatic at times. You'll notice this. You know, the media tends to be really dramatic during the summer when there's fewer sports. Actually, for seven months of the fall in the winter with football, college, and pro, you don't have to be.
Starting point is 00:37:02 The stories create themselves, and people watch football. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlie. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talk to coaches.
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Starting point is 00:41:33 Guardians' pretty good. You say, say. Guardians. All the Guardian baseball talk. Yankees Dodgers. World Series. He's back. No, next week,
Starting point is 00:41:44 you're going to be up in the Pacific Northwest. Phillies come to Los Angeles. I'll be back for that. Bryce Harper's in a terrible slump. He's won for his last 30. We're slump in his career, but he's got the right mindset. Just go up, swing hard.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Phillies are not playing well. It's impossible to play well the whole season. Phillies have the best team. They're just going through the dregs of baseball season. Dodgers will get all their guys back. It'll be fine. So there's going to be a big series in Los Angeles. Yes.
Starting point is 00:42:10 So Drake May. has been the one rookie quarterback drafted and has not been good. But he's also young, not very polished. This is all pretty predictable. There's some Justin Herbert Comps. That's what all my scouts and execs that I called said. There's a little Justin Herbert. Very little, apparently.
Starting point is 00:42:33 Yesterday he had a decent practice. But Gerard Mayo, Gerard Mayo says, being a rookie's hard. You know what it's like to be a rookie, and it's not all peaches and cream. You probably remember this. It's San Francisco, my rookie year. You know, I got benched on third down. I only played early downs because I just wasn't ready. That was like week 10, right?
Starting point is 00:42:54 It was like week 10, week 11. But it was a wake-up call for me to get benched. And, you know, from there on, I was rookie of the year. Still got benched. So whatever we want to talk about with Drake, there will be up and downs. Hopefully it ends on up. By the way, apparently my take that Joe Milton, the six-round quarterback, who is kind of his last year at Tennessee,
Starting point is 00:43:15 a touchdown machine in the best conference, could get real snaps on this team eventually. Apparently that was a hot take. Let me ask you, if I had said the day after the 2022 draft that Brock Purdy, the 262nd pick, would eventually replace Trey Lance, the number three pick.
Starting point is 00:43:33 They would dump Trey Lance. Would that have been a hot take? Oh, it would have. If I'd have said a year before, Kevin Durant went to the Warriors. I suspect Kevin Durant will leave O'KC and go to his rival. That too would have been a hot take.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Be careful about hot takes. They happen all the time. Joe Milton in the best college football conference in the country had 30 touchdown passes, rushed for seven touchdowns, and had five picks. Passer rating through the roof completed
Starting point is 00:44:09 65% and had easily the strongest arm of any quarterback in this draft. Both Josh Heppel and Jim Harbaugh fell in love with him. Now, he misses open receivers. He can be a little
Starting point is 00:44:23 very inconsistent throwing the ball, but I'll throw this out to you. Jacoby Brissette has been benched or has been injured during a season more than once. 60 quarterbacks played last year. And I will tell you, of all
Starting point is 00:44:41 the first round quarterbacks, Drake May is the least prepared to play right now in a culture in New England that leads heavily to the defensive side. So if Brissette goes down, you're telling me Joe Milton, bigger, stronger arm,
Starting point is 00:44:57 better athlete than Drake May potentially, wouldn't get snaps. I don't know what's going to happen. But the idea that it couldn't happen, the SEC is the best football conference. Go look at Tennessee's schedule. Go watch the first half of Joe Milton against Alabama.
Starting point is 00:45:13 Go watch the first half of that game. Go watch it. Some of you are selling me Will Levis. I'm not sure Will Levis is better than Joe Milton. I mean, didn't Will Levis lose to Vanderbilt? Okay. The academic power of the South, so slow down on this. I just think a lot of things.
Starting point is 00:45:35 If you look at the NFL, 60 quarterbacks play. Patriots don't have a great O line. they've missed on several picks. They have one of the worst O'lines, receiving cores, running back rooms, defensive culture. They are not going to move the ball. Do you think they're going to stick with Jacoby Brissette for 17 weeks?
Starting point is 00:45:53 At some point, they're going to go to a backup. I'm just saying, could he take snaps? Why not? Why couldn't he take snaps? Remember, if Brock Purdy came out and I said, they're going to go with Purdy over Tray Lance. That would have been outrageous, and it actually happened. So not saying it's going to happen, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Jim Harbaugh and Josh Heiple, they know offense. They both fell in love with them. Now, he frustrated them, but, you know, some guys are developed more slowly. I mean, he took a lot of snaps in college. He bounced around in college. He had a lot of great personnel guys really like him. Misses a lot of throws, but he's a power thrower on a team that's going to struggle. I mean, my guess is, New England will be the lowest scoring team in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:46:42 And I don't think it'll be particularly close. You could say, Carolina, they have an offensive coach. Well, the Giants, they have an offensive coach. I got a rookie defensive coach and bad everywhere. I think all three of these guys are going to play. And Milton can be impressive. I've watched enough of him. You go watch half here and a half there.
Starting point is 00:47:03 I mean, Harbaugh fell in love with him. Not for long, but he fell in love with him. impressive thrower with the football. By the way, Albert Breer is going to be joining us here on a Friday. He has been so far, these are the camps he's been to. The Raiders, the Chargers, the Rams, the Cowboys, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, Niners, Broncos, Packers.
Starting point is 00:47:23 Very excited for that. Plus, it's college football. Very excited as the Pack 12 merges into the Big Ten this year. Jay Mack, I'm a college football addict. You're a college basketball addict, but you love college football. What are, give me, if, as we head, as we head into the college footballs, practice today one, practice today one. Give me a story.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Like I'll give you an example, Shadour Sanders, Dion Sanders. Are you over at the, no, no, no, no. So you're into that. Well, mostly because of the NFL, he's going to be, if he stays on track, a top 10 pick, maybe top five. Top five. Well, maybe. We'll see. Like you said, he didn't end the season strong last year, had the injuries, had some offseason, online curfuffles.
Starting point is 00:48:07 if you will. Yeah. But I'm interested in that. I'm interested in the Ohio State quarterback situation. I like the Georgia quarterback a lot. I see our guy, Bruce Feldman, hyping up like the Kansas State quarterback. Kansas State and Utah are going to battle for the Big 12.
Starting point is 00:48:22 They're both good teams. That's what I like about college football. Guys pop and they rise and you're like, who is this guy where he come from? And then you know his full story. Then he goes to the league. And like you said, that's hurt the NBA.
Starting point is 00:48:32 You have this entire narrative and career arc of a quarterback. Joe Burrough's story was amazing in college. Couldn't crack the quarterback room at Ohio State. Then he went to LSU and his junior year he was okay. He was like 15 touchdown passes. You're like, oh, this guy, eh, seventh round pick maybe, and then boom, the greatest season in college football history. Pence, keep your eye on Shedure Sanders, back the quarterback at Georgia. Riley Leonard, I think, is now Notre Dame.
Starting point is 00:48:59 I think he transferred from Duke to Notre Dame. He's a little thin, a little raw. He's a Daniel Jones-ish, which is not speaking. Also, the kid at Penn State is very, very interesting. Promising. He's promising. We'll see. Oregon's got, Nebraska's got a quarterback, but he's a kid.
Starting point is 00:49:15 He's a Pat Mahomes look-al-like. He's not coming out of the draft. But Nebraska's fascinating because the quarterback for the Cornhuskers, there's stuff all over the Internet that he actually does. He stylistically looks like. He's a high school kid. He was like a five-star kid. They got him in Nebraska.
Starting point is 00:49:32 He looks like Mahomes. The way he throws off balance. Mannerisms. the shades. I mean, he basically has the Patrick Mahomes starter kit, and he's like, okay, what do I wear today? It comes out, and it looks exactly like you. He does. And it's kind of become, like, you're right, a thing, and Nebraska's
Starting point is 00:49:45 leaning into it socially, and you could see the Chiefs, I think, are even pushing it a little bit. And the kid is, I think he had like an SEC commit and then decommitted and went to the back. No, he's like, everybody in the country wanted him. So, but there's some really good stories. I mean, I think Texas, Oklahoma, going to the SEC,
Starting point is 00:50:02 Texas is packed, jam with talent, maybe next to Georgia, the best talent in the conference. Bama's got a new coach. I think the team that everybody is overlooking is Oregon. I think Oregon can go toe to toe with anybody. Now, their NIL is the best in college football along with Texas
Starting point is 00:50:17 and Texas A&M. So some of it is they bought more players. Whatever, it's legal. Fine by me. Low-key interesting. Davos-Sweeney, what's going on there in Clemson? He was the toast of the town a couple years ago. He will not use the portal. And it's like, what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:50:33 This is an easy way to Ford your roster and he like refuses to do it. I wonder if they have a middling year and he's on the hot seat all of a sudden and they will do that to you. How about this? How about this first game? LSU USC. Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley, two of the most polarizing coaches. Neither team great. I would think LSU is favored by six or something. It's in Vegas. I like LSU to win, but I, LSU lost Jaden Daniels. Their defense has been a mess the last couple of years. Hour two and a Friday next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.
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