The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - NFL playoffs, Rodgers, Brady

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

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If you would have tried to in mid-November tell people, Bengals are going to make the Super Bowl. If you had to told people in mid-December, Bengals are going to make the Super Bowl. You're like they lost to the Jets, they lost to the Bears, they were crushed at home by the Chargers. That's why this game is so glorious. You play one game. You can be bad for a half. You can be sack nine times. We got ourselves a Super Bowl, Joy Taylor.

I am very, very excited about it. It was a great weekend. It was going to be tough to top the weekend before, but they did a great job because both of those games were a thrill. Well, I want to start with this. You know, I've told the story. I got kids. I got stepkids. and I've watched them live their lives.

And I see this so often by the media. We're always trying to protect the younger media people or protect the athletes or protect the college kids. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's what you're supposed to do. Do you want them to be toughened up and hardened? Then let them make mistakes. Let them get ripped.

Let them be criticized. Let your kids strike out at a baseball game. All my successful friends without question that have done well professionally. God, you know what? Beat out of them early in their careers. They've gone, been fired, they've gone through stuff. And so this morning, the Los Angeles Rams should send a thank you note to the Detroit Lions.

Thank you, Lions, for 13 years of chaos and trailing and Matt having no running game and get the hell beat out of him for 13 years. Thank you, lions. Because of that. He is so equipped for now. Not in spite of it, because of it. That's why all these quarterbacks went to junior colleges, got cut, dropped in the draft. Do you know how emotionally strong you have to be to be in games like yesterday at SoFi?

The pressure. This Rams organization, this owner is all in. There's pressure on McVeigh. There's pressure on less need. There's pressure on Matt Stafford. Jared Gough doesn't win that game. Two weeks ago, Stafford had his team melt around him. And he probably thought,

at least I lead. In Detroit, I'd be down by 21. Yesterday. They couldn't get it going. A couple of drops. They trailed. They trail late. And I kept thinking to myself,

dogs built for this. Yeah, the trust fund kid looks cool, doesn't he, and that shiny Bentley? He runs to Mommy in crisis. 13 years, a tunnel of chaos and trail. You know, for years since Matt Stafford's out of the NFL, since he entered the league,

he leads the NFL in fourth quarter comebacks. And for years and years, we always said, yeah, that's because he always trails in Detroit. Yeah, but he still played for Detroit. He came back and won those games. And now you're like, oh, it wasn't just Detroit. It's Matt Stafford. This is why McVeigh always talks about his emotional bandwidth, his emotional discipline. The last two weeks, they trail at home to a Niners team that had owned the Rams.

Way to the world. Two weeks ago, Tom Brady melting down. Way to the world. Doesn't matter. This organization has gone all in. Just think about what Stafford overcame. Season's about to start. Cam Acres is out.

All right. And then they lose Robert Woods. Okay. And then they say, we're going to put in O.B. What? The Cleveland, New York. Yeah. All right. Yesterday loses top tight end. Okay. That's what getting beat up. Dealing with crap. No running game. Bad coaches. Bad ownership. That's what it creates. That's why all these quarterbacks that end up in Super Bowls were ignored and transferred and were cut and were mocked. And the message Matt Stafford sends is work hard in life. If you're talented,

you'll get your opportunity. Stafford finally did, and because of Detroit, not in spite of it, he is uniquely built for this moment, especially the last two weeks. And here's Sean McVeigh after the W. What he's done, he's elevated everybody around him. He's made me a better coach.

He's made his teammates better. He's such a great person. I think you guys know from getting a chance to interact with him, if you don't root for this guy, something's wrong with you. And, you know, he's a great competitor. I think we saw that each of the last, we've seen that really throughout the whole season, but I think it's really been on display these last couple weeks.

We talk about competitive greatness all the time, being your best when your best was required. He embodied competitive greatness today. Love Matthew Stafford. Big throws. The whole story is fascinating. It's like the Rams have become a wellness center. Hey, you want to rehab your image? OBJ and Dante Fowler and Matt Stafford, come on in.

We've got a good coach. We got a good culture. It's a winning culture. We'll get more into that later, but congratulations to the Rams. So speaking of criticism, Patrick Mahomes is great, likable, coachable, all the things you want your quarterback to be. But sorry, fawning media, sorry. In between the palm-pom-wavings, we now have a pattern, a second pattern that has developed with Patrick Mahomes. Now the first pattern is, who-hoo, he's really good.

He is spectacular. Oh, that, nobody else can do that. He is absolutely amazing. And we have written stories and done rants about that. But the protective media, oh, oh, they don't like criticism. Here is the second pattern that's developed. When he gets bad, he gets bad fast and he loses confidence really quickly. And we've seen two stretches in the,

a regular season in his career where he's just kind of mechanically kind of gotten off his game. I've always compared him to an artist. Sometimes, man, he gets writer's block, but he also creates masterpieces. Yesterday was a great example. It happened in a game. He was ridiculously good in the first half. He was off in the second half, and dude was broken in overtime. He'll turn it around because I've seen him do it twice.

And this will be the third time. But unfortunately, there was no other game. You had to be good in overtime, and you weren't. But the NFL scouting report on Mahomes was incredibly clear. Let me read it to you. Decision making goes from bad to worse in a moment's notice. Impatient, big, confident, develop some bad habits, work in progress, high ceiling, sometimes too eager for big game hunting.

Unique talent. Star in the making. Exactly what he is. But we've had this emergence of greatness that was so overwhelming initially that we didn't let him grow. Never forget, Peyton Manning, year four, bad. Eli Manning, in between Super Bowls, a lot of ugly. It happens. And this is the reality.

And if you look at the Super Bowl last year, speaking up from good to bad to bad to ugly, in the second half last year, Mahal Super Bowl, zero TDs, two big, sack three times, 49 passer rating, 56%. He went from not very good to awful fat. Yesterday, second half overtime, 44% completion percentage, zero Tis, two bics, passer rating, it's 12, and sack four times. And again, he's the artist, and it's okay, and he'll be fine, and it'll get better. But we now have two things, and we'd seen these with Josh Allen,

and we embraced them more quickly because he wasn't great initially. What did I say about Josh Allen? You get a lot of jagged edges, and Mahomes is a more refined Josh Allen. But now we also see, we're seeing the jagged edges with Mahomes. And maybe this is just the reality part and parcel of what you get with a great artist at quarterback. I always said that about Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant's the greatest artist ever play basketball. He came down 90% of the time the canvas was open.

Kobe was going to create a shot. There were games Kobe decided when he was injured, I'm going to shoot left-handed. And with that, there were, you. years Kobe shot too much, and there were years he drove shack crazy, and you just have to enjoy the greatness. It's not perfect. Even great artists have bad albums. But there were excuses last year when the Mahom struggled.

They lost their offensive line. This one, this was on Patrick. He lost his fastball. Live overtime. Second half, he talked about it after. They had a good game plan. They were doing this a lot of similar stuff in the first half. We were just executing at a higher level.

And they stayed with it. They fought. I mean, that's a good football team, but it takes a lot of fight to stay in a game whenever you're down like that. But, I mean, I got to be better. I mean, when you're up 21 to 3 at one point in a game, you can't lose it. And I mean, I put that on myself. Happens.

It's okay. You have a great career. Already had one. Some people say you could vote him into the Hall of Fame. But it is part of it now. Media, less fawning, more reality. And the reality is sometimes he goes in the slumps. And he was a little off in the second half.

He was broken in overtime, and Burrell wasn't. There's so many topics today, so many things to talk about. Greg Olson's going to stop by. Joy, with the updates throughout today, we got stuff on hardball. We got the Raiders, got a new coach. It's really a fascinating week of NFL because there's GMs being hired, and Brian Daibol showed up in New York, and the Raiders have a coach. And just our last six football games in America, all six.

A plus plus plus. All six. NFL may get cocky and in the offseason rebranded. No bad games here. Wild card weekend was choppy, but the last six games are edge of your seat stuff. So much fun. And and Colin right,

Colin wrong, top of next hour, something happened that we predicted on this show, not the outcome. And it happened and it's good for football and we'll discuss that. Top of the hour, Colin Wright, Colin wrong. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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20% off, free shipping. Manscape.com. Code Hurd. So, you know, a lot of times people don't get credit for things they avoid. And when the Niners drafted Trey Lance, Jimmy Garoppolo could have emotionally folded. He didn't, he got better. Jimmy Garoppolo was hurt all season long, telling reporter Mike Silver after the game yesterday, it hurt so much to throw the football.

But he didn't really want to make that public. after the game, before the game. But I thought yesterday was the perfect ending for the Garoppolo 49ers relationship. He's always been good enough to get you here. But in the fourth quarter, he didn't play well. Matt Stafford did. And he looked like a little bit of a liability. The Niners have the coach.

They have the system. They have the defense. They've got the weapons. They need to upgrade at quarterback. Over the last three playoffs, last three playoffs, Any team with a 10.4th quarter lead is 19 and 2. The two losses are Jimmy Garapolo. But he deserves credit.

He didn't fold, didn't get his feelings hurt when they brought in Trey Lance. He also played hurt this entire playoff run. And he is absolutely good enough to get you to a Super Bowl and win multiple playoff games because I've seen it. But now you can move him because you can make the argument. We're just not quite good enough there. and you give it the Trey Lance, and Trey Lance isn't yet a refined product. He needs every snap in OTA's camps.

You can totally commit to Trey Lance. But it's interesting to note, there is a likelihood, a very strong likelihood that Jimmy Garoppolo ends up on a Denver or a Pittsburgh. Because of his injuries, the Niners, if they trade him, will not get very much. I doubt they get a first round pick. Maybe. They're not getting two. So a team like Pittsburgh could take a flyer on him. His salary's not outrageous, and you give up a second round pick.

And you do realize Niner fans, he will win a lot of games in Pittsburgh with those receivers and that running back and that Star Young Tide end and that defense. And you realize if he goes to Denver with Fant and Jerry Judy and Cortland Sutton and all pro-left tackle on that defense, he's going. a lot of games in Denver. A lot. There's a strong likelihood because it's not going to take much to get Jimmy Garapolo that a really good team is going to take a flyer on him for a year and draft a quarterback. And he's going to win a bunch of games. And there's also a strong likelihood in a division with Kyler Murray, Matt Stafford, and Russell Wilson that Tray Lance's first

year starting could struggle a lot because it's a brutal division. Are you okay with that? That said, I think it's the perfect time. I think it's the perfect time. I was thinking about this yesterday. Whenever Jimmy Garoppolo gets into the Super Bowl for the second time in three years, what do you do? Locker room loves him. Players love him. Everybody loves him.

Handled it like a pro. But I thought his fourth quarter was the perfect, man, just got to get a little better there. And we'd be a Super Bowl team. And there's an argument to be made that's true. Is it Trey? Who knows? But Jimmy Garapolo, always a leader, although not a unique talent, always a leader, spoke after. I think these next couple days, it'll really start to settle in a little bit.

You know, motions are high after a game, win or loss. And it's just, it's one of those things you've got to be glad it happened, just, you know, smile from it and think about the good things. You know, we'll see what happens in these next couple days, weeks, whatever. I love this team. And they love you. So it's going to be a very interesting time. In a strange sort of way, Jimmy's injuries help him.

Because it's going to lessen his trade value. So wherever he goes, you're not going to have to give up multiple players and picks to get Jimmy. A Denver or a pit, I mean, if I ran the Pittsburgh Steelers, I'd be on the phone today. Absolutely be on the phone today. Playoff experience, big game experience. NFC West experience, New England coaching and Kyle Shanahan?

I'm getting a smart dude into the room. I'd be on the phone today if I was Pittsburgh. What do I have to give up? A second round pick? I mean, maybe a first, certainly not too. Denver may have to give up the farm for Aaron Rogers, and he just won and done it in Lambo. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. 90 Bengals earned the Super Bowl It's crazy, crazy I love it The Bengals were down 213 late in the second quarter and it looked like the chiefs

were going to cruise to another AFC title but since he turned it around in the second half to earn their spot in the Super Bowl and Joe Burrow gave a lot of credit to the way the team was able to make adjustments

after the half. He said we've been a second half team all year. You don't really want to be that way that's kind of how it worked out. Our defense really stepped up in the second half and on offense we made plays

when we had to. I thought the offensive line and play great. We started running the ball. Just a great overall team effort. Yeah, that should not be underscored. They ran the ball really well in the second half. They did. And I think for me, the turning point in this game was that stop by the defense at the end of the first half. I didn't love the play call. So this is, whether it's analytic or not, forget the analytics

for a second, because I just, to be obnoxious, I just always say I like field goals. and by the way, nobody kicks more field goals in the playoffs than the bingles. So, but here's what I don't like about that call by Andy Reid. And Mahomes, who, by the way, could have dirted it after we didn't see anything, but there was only five seconds. And this is one of my anti-analytic things, if it ever became analytic. I like going into the locker room feeling good about yourself. Right.

I think that's a big deal. And when they did not get it and they held up, that just energized the bingles on the road going into the room. and you could sense it the first series out in the second half. Yeah, I mean, it's, to me, that changed the game because if you go into the locker room scoring there and then you get the ball again at the beginning of the first or the second half, that's a huge momentum swing. So why not just take, why not just take the points?

I mean, you have obviously a lot of confidence in the guys that are on the field there, but there's not a lot of time left. And we, like that to me, going into the locker room, the way that the Bengals did, not letting them score there. Big boost. It was huge. Remember the week before when the Rams could have put the bucks away at half and Camakers fumble at the two.

And it literally did feel like it energized the bucks in the second half, deflated the Rams a little, and the wheels came off for about an hour. Well, also, it's not as big of a deficit to come back from. So not only are you going in feeling good like we got a big stop, they didn't get points. So you're already down. So that to me was huge. But Joe Burrow was great, 23 of 38, 250 yards, two touchdowns, and one interception. Evan McPherson, the MVP of the postseason for the Bengals.

12 for 12. Four field goal attempts, 31-yard game winner, 31-yard game winner to win in overtime. He's just been tremendous, just ice in his veins rookie. Used to be, I remember a few years ago, Tampa drafted a kicker, and he didn't work. But I was like, well, Belichick did. People just were outraged that somebody drafted a kicker. Does everybody get their, they're usually the leading score on every team in the the NFL. Even with analytics, the Bengals kicker is the one leading them in scoring.

Yeah, it's very important. I mean, look at the Ravens. Look at Justin Tucker. Like, it's like, well, you know what? We can get points here because he's going to make it every single time. It just changes how you play the game. All right. So kind of a weird situation this weekend with Tom Brady report service this weekend that Tom Brady was planning to retire after 22 seasons in the NFL and everyone reacted appropriately to the news. Yeah. Okay, he's retiring. However, those close to him pushed back on the reports.

His agent, John Yee, said Brady will be the only one to announce what he's doing with his future. And Brady's father said he has not made a final decision yet. Bruce Ariens also said that Brady had not told the Bucks that he is retiring. I have been told he is. I'm not breaking the story. But three people I trust, Jeff Darlington, Adam Schaefter and Ian Rappaport have all said it's happening. I have been told by somebody I trust that Tom just wants to dictate it on his

terms. Right. Well, that's so when the, obviously when the story first broke, everyone collectively believed it. And then there was pushback. To me, I was surprised that it would come out right now because it's the postseason. Like that's not like Brady to make something that's not about him, about him, one, because him announcing his retirement in the middle of Super Bowl week is like kind of silly. Like you're the greatest player of all time. Don't you also just want your moment. We have to talk about the Super Bowl. We're going to be talking about these games this weekend.

So not that it's just about the media, but like you want your time and your space and you don't want to distract from the guys that are still playing also. So that I thought was strange. I do believe he is retiring. I think it's just like you said. Brady wants to make the announcement himself, which he deserves to be able to do. I'm sure he has some

great video, some tear jerker that he's working on. But it was kind of a strange thing for me. I was on air doing my radio show as a half hour into it when the news dropped. So it just did the rest of the show on Brady retiring. And I had never truly prepared my thoughts for what am I going to think or feel when Brady does actually retire. And I was a little more emotional than I thought I was going to be. Because when this does happen, which we all believe, like, you know, after the Super Bowl, he's going to make his announcement that he's retiring. It's

the end of an era. It's just a different world that we're going to be in. And we all knew eventually he was going to retire, but just like there's no point in playing that game. When's Tom Brady going to retire? It reminded me a little bit when David Letterman retired. He was still funny. He was still doing fine. But he looked around at Jimmy Fallon and Stephen Colbert and he saw the political nature of what was happening to late night. And he's like, you know what? It's a young man's game. And I do think Brady looks around and thinks, I've got everything I want. What I don't have is more time with my family. And the truth is the game is kind of changing a little. And I'm not sure if I'm, You know, the downside to going all in on anything, burnout happens.

And I do think there's part of Tom saying, man, I have gone so far in on this. I want to do with my business and my family the same thing. And I don't know, it feels right to me. I'm okay with it. I look at it and I'm like, yeah, I mean, he's leaving like Johnny Cars. Letterman or Elway or Roger Stauback all left and they were still great at what they did. All of them. Right.

Well, I mean, I remember the experience of when my brother retired and he played for 15. years and you always want to keep playing like it's what you've done for a large amount of time in your life and you also know there's no replacement for that there's nothing else you're going to do that you're going to walk into a stadium that's right with the roar and the locker room and the practices and all the travel like there's nothing that's going to duplicate that unless you coach obviously right um so it's just an emotional thing it's different than retiring from any other kind of career That's right. Like, it's a physical attachment with your body and soul and spirit to what you're doing.

And moving off of that is like, you really have to sit with yourself and make that decision. As your brother knows, too, you're really committed to it in the off season. So you lose a big chunk of connectivity to human beings and friends. Right. I mean, you're going to the facility. You know, sometimes retired. And it's just you. It's not like a family business where everybody's there together working.

That's right. Like, you're on your own. And all of a sudden it's like, I mean, it's funny during the pandemic, you and I talked about this a lot. I didn't like doing the radio show alone. I like being in the building. I like laughing and having, you know, conversations. It's hard. And I was like, I'm still doing the show, but I miss people.

And I think for a lot of guys like Brady, what he'll miss is gronk is funny. Yeah. And he's two lockers down. And he's making you laugh. Well, that's what almost any guy that you will ask or woman when they were talking. hire from a sport. Like, what do you miss the most? The locker room is almost always the first answer. Because you just, you can't replace that. Also, just on a side note, 15 million of his $20 million signing bonus is paid on February 4th. Yeah. So if you retirees before that date,

the bucks aren't obligated to pay him that. So it doesn't really make sense financially. You live $15 million on the table. Right. So the Giants announced that they have hired Brian Dable as their next head coach. He spent the last four seasons as the bill's offensive coordinator and has been credited with spearheading Josh Allen's development as a young quarterback. And if you look at year to year with Josh Allen and Daible, that is very evidence. This will be his first head coaching job in the NFL. And he also joins former Bill's assistant GM, Joe Shane, who was hired as the Giants new GM. I like how the Giants did this. Brian Daible was at the top of many people's list for head coaching opportunities. The fact that he's able to go there with Joe Shane,

who he knows well. They can be on the same page because we've seen several times throughout the years. The GM and head coach not being on the same page can lead to a disaster very quickly and the Giants are already in a bit of one with their salary cap situation. Only concern for me, because I think they got it right. My only concern is, are they going to be allowed

to make the call on personnel? Because here's my feeling on this. I said it over the weekend. So he's going to be forced to play Daniel Jones. They will not draft a quarterback, even though they have a good pick. and he'll make Daniel Jones the best Daniel Jones can be. Yeah.

And that's not good enough. And then year two, the front office and Daibol will convince them our family, let's draft a quarterback. And Brian Daibel, of course, will be asked to win with a rookie quarterback, and that won't go well. And then by year three, in the second year for the rookie quarterback, you're fighting for your life to keep your job, and you're losing coaches, you're losing Pete.

So, like, if you allow Brian Daible to go, okay, publicly I like Daniel Jones, but we have the, what, fifth pick, I'm going to go get a quarterback. Only thing I worry about the Giants is this need to make Daniel Jones work. He was not a dominating college quarterback in a bad conference. If Brian Davell secretly privately tells and Joe Shane says, then let them make the move and just break fast. I think they should break free of general Jones.

So do I. So do I. So do I. At this point, like whatever direction it is, you go. whether it's a try to get a Russell Wilson. I mean, even if it's just for a bridge situation, Jimmy G. But also you can draft a quarterback as well. It's not a great quarterback draft, but I'm with you. I think we've seen what Daniel Jones is at this point. Yeah. And again, he had a very good offensive quarterback coaching college at Duke

and completed 59% of his throws. And he had Jason Garrett, who by the way, helped build Romo and DAC and completed like 61% of his throw, 62 in the NFL, in a bad division. So it's nothing against Daniel Jones, but I think we've seen what it is, and it ain't great. It's not good enough.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. I was watching Burrow yesterday, and I was thinking about this, is that, you know, when I was younger in the 60s, 70s, 80s,

most quarterbacks kind of looked and played a lot. They're all like bigger than average men, you know, six, two and a half, six three, sat in the pocket, not terribly athletic. And then John Elway came around and you're like, he could have been a baseball player. He could have been a quarterback. He was running around, big, strong cannon arm. And then, you know, then I saw Warren Moon when I was a kid growing up in like 1974,

75 University of Washington and Warren's running around. And you're like, all right, that's different. But by and large, most quarterbacks, it kind of always kind of felt kind of the same, right? Like Brady and Montana and, you know, you'd get the. occasional Steve Young. But now it's crazy. They're all all the young quarterback. Kyler Murray's the little guy running around. And Josh Allen's as big as a defensive end, and he's making throws. And Mahomes is kind of the occasionally broken but great artist. And then Justin Herbert's more mechanical, but he's big, strong, six-six can move. And Lamar Jackson runs like a wide receiver.

Big, small, fast, stoic, big, they're all different. And they're all new. And it's hard to find comps for him. And then there's Joe Burrow. And to me, at least, he feels so old school. The cigars and the glasses and the coat make him feel like Joe Namath. The cocky edge makes him feel like Jim McMahon. The It Factor makes him feel like Brady. And even statistically in the playoffs, it reads like Joe Montana.

In his three playoff games, his passer ratings in 90s. four touchdowns, two picks. I mean, it is good. It ain't blowing you away. And what I like about all of Burrow is there's, I see like seven comps for him. And a lot of these people, I mean, the only comp for Kyler is Russell Wilson, and he's still sort of, he's kind of a new style quarterback over the last 10 years. But Burrow feels like a lot of old school stuff.

You know, athletes used to be a little more authentic and cocky are on the podium, and then social media happened, and you become memes and you get ripped. So everybody scales back, and he's kind of old school cigar. He's got the jacket. He looks like, name it. And it's like, oh, that's just kind of Joe Namath. And he's cocky like McMahon, and he's got the it. And his stats kind of sometimes look like Joe Montana. And in a world of new and fresh and unique, he's not really that.

But what he is is, I mean, last week we said, you know, oh, this one obstacle for Mahomes is going to be Josh Allen. Because Josh Allen can make the throws Mahomes can and is big and it's fast. And the obstacle may be this guy. I mean, this Bingles roster you all get, it's in a rebuild. Like I picked him for fourth. So did almost everybody in the world outside of Cincinnati. So he just, he's got a feel for the game, an old school look, an old school podium personality. Here he is after that I really like.

Joe, being a good reporter, I've got to ask about the jewels. Are they real? And what are they? They're definitely real. I think I make too much money to have fake ones. So these are real. Joe Burrow, good for him. Coming up next, thoughts on Brady and O'Dell Beckham and how miraculous the Bingle story is and

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Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. So the story came down. Was it Saturday? I think it was Saturday that Tom Brady was retiring after 22 years, as Joy said. She was on the air. and, you know, we had said on this show last week that I'd never heard Tom Brady so satisfied or okay with losing a home playoff game. I also said last week he gave us multiple hints post Thanksgiving that he was frustrated with the focus of the team.

And I do believe Belichick created a structure. Brady lives for structure within his family, within his business, within his football. And Tampa, as Peter King noted, Tampa's always been loose. I used to work there. It's just a loose city. Cocktails early. Ebor City. It's not a big corporate hub. It's not like an academic or corporate hub like Boston. It's really loose. People retire there, register, play golf. They register to vote, vote knowing a lot of things. They want to save their money, golf, go to the beach, chill, have cocktails early. It's a very easy place to live. Boston can be tough. The weather. the traffic, the intensity, the cost. And I think Tampa looks great when you get there and you get that freedom.

But at the end of the year, I thought it was really, really loose. And I think he was telling us it was loose. And I think it's time. Now, I called somebody. I didn't break the story. I called somebody and asked, what are you hearing? And they're hearing, yeah, Tom's, Tom's is going to close shop. But it's interesting.

You know what else I thought about? Aaron Rogers. be very careful about leaving Green Bay. So Brady is one of your NFC obstacles. He could be retiring. Russell Wilson, I'm still 55, 45%, he's not in Seattle. One of your obstacles could be leaving. Say what you want about Garoppolo, but he sure wins a lot.

Probably leaving and Trey Lance and that division taking over, are we sure they're going to be a playoff team? And what would be left as obstacles to Aaron Rogers? Dak and the Cowboys. Kyler, Arizona, been a little inconsistent end of both years. Stafford and the Rams, nobody disputes that. You start looking at the AFC.

They're not only good, they're healthy, and they're young, and they're coachable, and they've got the right coaches. It's Mahomes. It's Josh Allen. It's Joe Burrow. It's Lamar Jackson. It's Justin. Herbert, you're like, and now Josh McDaniels, the brains behind the offense in New England,

now he's going to Derek Carr, and you're like, they're going to win some games. They're going to be really good. So don't underestimate the awful AFC East and how that benefited Brady. Automatic win of the division, often get a buy week, only have to win one game and you're in the conference. championship. I mean, Aaron would have been in a conference championship had he just beaten Jimmy Garoppolo. Never underestimate Brady's success and consistency of getting in conference championship games often played at Foxborough, overwhelmingly played at Foxborough was how bad his division was. Wasn't LeBron way more dominating in the Eastern Conference than he is in the West? I mean, he won a

title in the bubble season, but sure feels like last year and this year can't just mail it in and end up a one, two, or a three seed. We're not sure the Lakers get into the playoffs. You know, Nick Saban now has a real adversary in Kirby Smart, who can recruit like him, has as good a players as him. When you watched Alabama and Georgia play, Joy and I sat here and were like, are we sure Alabama's got better players than Georgia? That was the best assistant that Saban ever had. He's doing real well. Lane Kiffin's now against him and Jimbo Fisher and it's a whole different ballgame.

Now, Sark and assistant will be against him in a couple of years. So it's just one of those things I thought about Brady leaving and I thought, boy, never underestimate the value of mediocrity around you. Because that division, we don't know if Justin Fields can play. Minnesota, we don't know what they're doing. Detroit's Detroit. So if I was Aaron Rogers, I think long and hard about jettisoning the Packers and heading over to Denver. It's like, I don't know. I just watched Burrow.

I'm not sure if I want to be in his division. I'm not really sure I want to be in Mahomes and Herbert and Derek Carr's division. Not really. I'll take my chances with Kirk Cousins. The other thing that jumped out to me about the Bengals is, you know, in, in, I was thinking, let me add this to this. I counted this morning. If Brady retires, 11 of the 16 quarter of. back in the NFC are either old, bad, or limited.

11 of 16. Be careful about leaving Green Bay. So, you know, I thought about this. In our business, it's not used as much anymore. Like anything else, it gets used a lot and then overused hot take. And I've always believed I have a responsibility when I do this show, Simulcast Radio TV, to not just tell you what we all know. Like watch a game and say, here's what happened.

You want more than that. So I make predictions. I have theories. I have big, strong opinions. A lot of them haven't happened. I could play safe. I could come on this air and just tell you, oh, the Bengals won and so did the Rams and play it safe.

A lot of hosts do that. But that's not how you talk at the bar. You're arguing about when people come up to me on the street, they're always asking about who's going to get to the Super Bowl? Who do you think's going to get there? What do you think is going to happen? Who's going to pick up Jimmy G? They're asking me to make predictions if I'm in a restaurant.

So that's what you want on the show, I always figure. And so just think about this, though. And that's why I never really go out as an opinionist and rip people for a hot take. Because it's amazing how often that crazy loony hot take becomes true. The Cincinnati Bengals lost to the bears, the jets, the Browns, and were recently hammered at home by the Chargers. Joe Burrow was bad against the Bears and he was bad against Cleveland and he was bad against the Chargers. Do you know how ridiculous it would have been if I would have come on the air and pounded the table in early December?

Bengals are better than Mahomes. They're better than Josh Allen. They're better than Bill Belichick. In early December, they got crushed at home by the Chargers. In mid-December, if I would have pounded the table and said, that's the best team. Hot take, they had to score with 40 seconds left to pull away from Denver. This team was a mess on multiple Sundays. Even in the playoffs, they faced the Raiders.

The Raiders outgained them. They faced the Titans. They sack Burrow nine times. Yesterday they trailed 21 to 3 at half. I know you have so much courage to run to social media and yell hot take. If somebody makes a bold prediction, it's kind of amazing how often they happen, like all the time. If I would have told you mid-December, Mahomes, going to lead 21 to 3 at half to the Bengals, blow it and play terribly.

You'd have run to your little birdie account. The media critics would have freaked out. That's what happened. Mahomes kind of gagged and Burrow beat him in Arrowhead, trailing 21 to 3, and this team got beat by the Jets and the Bears and Cleveland and the Chargers and Burle was awful against the Bears, the Bears. The team Aaron Rogers can't lose to. You just don't know.

You never really know. You think you know and you never really know. It's why sports is the only thing anybody watches in 2022 on TV. You just don't know. You can't script it. Half this stuff if you pitched it to a company. If you pitched it to a movie studio, it would be too unrealistic and they wouldn't buy it. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, hour two.

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