The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - NFL preseason, Brady, Belichick

Episode Date: August 12, 2022

Thoughts on Titans rookie QB Malik Willis first preseason game and why he's going to prove all the doubters wrong Giants QB Daniel Jones hasn't proven himself in the NFL  Buccaneers QB Tom Brady taking time off during the preseason isn't a big deal Patriots HC Bill Belichick seems to be arrogant when it comes to offense   Guest: LeRoy ButlerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is the herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Joy Taylor's off today. Alex Curry is back here on a Friday as we got some NFL games. I had a lot of NFL games last night, a lot of NFL action, baseball stuff going on. How are things? It felt like fall last night.

There was so much going on on TV and then also being beautiful out here in L.A. Yeah. It was wonderful. I'm starting to go to like a 10-day forecast around the country and you can see in mountain communities. Yeah. Cooling down at night. So I'll start with this. So before the draft, this was not, this previous draft was not a good quarterback draft.

There were two or three quarterbacks. The kid I liked was Malik Willis, and I just said, you know, you can see the special. You know, who knows if these guys hit or not? But I thought, you know, that's a bottom of the first round pick. Well, he didn't go until like the third round. He did go to a good franchise. Tennessee is a very, very good franchise. They draft, they develop, they win a lot of games.

But, you know, it's really funny. He's got a huge arm. He's a special athlete, but he went to a small college. A lot of people did. So did. So did Cooper Cup. Best receiver in the NFL went to a small college. So all I heard about Malik Willis before the draft was what he can't do.

He can't do this. He can't do that. But what I saw last night is what he can do make other pro athletes look really slow. So haven't we learned enough from Josh Allen who went to a small college? Nobody recruited him out of high school. Goes to Wyoming. Nobody watched his games. Stop nitpicking the can't and look at what they can do.

Josh Allen 6-6. He can leap over other human beings. He's got a huge arm. Mike Tomlin talked about this one time. We nitpick all these athletes, what they can't do. But if you watch somebody and go, wow, Malik Willis can make pro athletes look slow and can throw 65 yards off the wrong foot. And Mike Tomlin talked about this recently.

I love coaches that resist the response. responsibility of coaches that talk negatively about a dude that can't learn and blah, man, if everybody can learn, we need less coaches. Yeah, that's true. Right. If the group didn't need management, then we wouldn't make as much. I love reading draft evals and somebody's talking about anything other than pedigree, talking about how poor somebody's hand usage is.

Well, that's coaching. It all is in line with that not seeking comfort because when you're a coach that's talking about somebody can't learn, you're seeking comfort because your teaching is struggling. People confuse unique and different for can't. Let's stop boxing people in. That's why so many kids suffer from depression. We've boxed them in. Well, you've got to go to this class and you've got to do it this way. Some kids learn online. Some kids are very social. Some kids during the pandemic went into their computer and just loved life. Other kids, you know, he's a football player, she's a volleyball player, and you took that away from them. Not everybody fits into a box. People confuse unique

and different for can't. I heard this about Mahom. You can't be that erratic. You can't be this loose. I don't know. When I watch Patrick Mahomes, I see a lot of can. I'll figure out coach and the rest. So, you know, when I watched this kid last night, and by the way, Malik Willis, after the game, all the kid wants to be is coached. Yeah, I miss some things probably, and I just made up for my legs. I can't continue to, like, rely on that, though, but that's what the preseason is for. So you can just see those things against a lot of defense and one we hadn't played before. Like you said, you just got to look at the film, take it for what it's worth, and continue to work.

So let's segue to Daniel Jones and the Giant. So I watched the first couple series of that last night. So is Daniel Jones a franchise quarterback? Maybe. Maybe he has a second act after New York like a Ryan Tannahill and succeeds. But what Daniel Jones isn't is special and what he isn't is good enough to elevate this very mediocre roster. So he's an incredibly ordinary quarterback.

There's no real it there. There's no special there. And the Giants are a bad franchise. Now, they've been rebuilding since Eli left for four years. They're still not good. So that's institutional. That's ownership. That's executive.

That's scouting. Four years in a rebuild. Really good teams in this league. I saw Bill Parcells at one point take a one-win-m Miami team and win 11 the next year. And they weren't great, but they were good. So a 13-play drive at home to get a field goal against New England's second team, there's no special there. But isn't this interesting? When Daniel Jones came out, all I heard was can.

He can be coached. He went to Duke. He can learn. He is big enough. There's a lot of Eli. He can. But there's no special to it. I mean, Zach Wilson struggled last year, but I see special.

Trevor Lawrence struggled last year. I see special. Trey Lance only had two starts. Oh, you can see special. You can absolutely see why they drafted Trey Lance. I watched Daniel Jones. You know what he looks like? A guy that played football at Duke.

it's division one but it's like get good grades not recruited at all but the top 15 programs not a shot at Duke basketball they get the best he looks like

yeah that guy he played oh really where Duke you ever talk about Duke in January in college football so if you're going to convince me that Jimmy Garapolo would not make

a difference for the next two years for this losing franchise, you're out of your mind. I went today and I got the giant schedule. And I looked at the New York giant schedule. Play along with me. As far as I can tell. So ask yourself this. They open with Tennessee. Is Daniel Jones as good as Ryan Tanniel?

No. Is he as good in week two as Baker Mayfield? He's not. He's not a talent as Baker Mayfield. Is he as good as DAC? That's game three. No. He is as good we think this morning as Justin Fields.

I'm not sure, but it's an argument. After that, he follows Aaron Rogers, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence. He's not as talented as them. He is better than Drew Locke, buy, and he could be as good as the kid in Houston. He's not as good as Jared Goff, who met his Super Bowl, or Dak, or Wents, or Wents, or Kirk Cousins, or Matt Ryan, or Jalen Hertz. So in three games all year for the Giants, three, you arguably have the better quarterback.

It's not a definitive. At this point, you can't tell me he's better than Baker Mayfield. He is not better than Baker Mayfield. If that's one of your better arguments, you lost. Three games all year of 17, you arguably have the better quarterback. And you're telling me, you start putting Jimmy Garofalo against those guys. Jimmy Garoppolo golf? That's an argument.

Jimmy Garofalo Wentz, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jay, Hurtz. Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, I mean, I think Dax better than Garoppolo, but, you know, I've seen a match up. Jimmy can make some plays. Jimmy wins playoff games. Dack doesn't have a lot of those. Jimmy Garapolo gives you a shot in half your games, eight or nine. You have the better quarterback, arguably. It's a pretty convincing argument if wins matter. So it's funny watching Malik Willis. We nitpick what he can't. But what he can do, you can't cope. You can't 60-yard throws wrong foot, make pro athletes look slow. All I heard about Daniel Jones, what he can do,

but what he can't do is ever make anybody look mediocre as a pro-athlet. I mean, he had some slant passes he completed. 13 play drive, at home, three points against the second team. And it's not like the Giants don't have talent. Sequin Barclay's talented. Look good last night. Kenny Galdi's got talent. They have players.

I mean, don't tell me the Giants don't have some talent. I actually think they have a couple of good defense. of linemen. I think they have a couple of weapons. They're pretty good. And that's where we are on a Friday. Leroy Butler, Hall of Famer now with the Green Bay Packers is around the corner. Tony Baceli will be on the show today, a couple of Hall of Famers. Stu Holden next hour, one of my favorite guys. We are getting closer and closer to the World Cup. I am so geeked out for that. It is great to have you in. Also, a little latest on to Sean Watson. check is at his absolute grumpiest best. I don't have a lot of takeaways on New England because

I've come to the point where I just don't get it and they're smarter than me in New England. I don't understand it. They apparently understand it. It's all defensive coaches calling all the offensive plays. It was not pretty last night. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. Good to have you back. It is interesting how hard we are on our football players. You know, in baseball, it's understood that umpires get like a two-week vacation in the middle of a baseball season. I know guys who have broadcasted, current broadcasters in Major League Baseball, they take two and three weeks off during the season, right? They'll take breaks,

right? Not all, but some. NBA, Anthony Davis has played about 35% of the game since he was a Laker, and yet Laker fans will defend him to the end. That's just the way the, I mean, John Wall hasn't played for two years. He hasn't lost a single fan. Tom Brady decided here in preseason, I'm going to take about 10 days off. It's kind of fuzzy. Nobody knows exactly why. Here's Todd Bowles discussing the reportedly pre-planned break by Tom Brady. Mine is pretty high. Obviously there's always going to be doubt, but I have a pretty high level of confidence, yes. This is something we talked about before training camp started. We allotted this time because he wanted to get in and get chemistry with the guys and go through two weeks of training camp, knowing he wasn't going to play the first two

games. So yesterday, my guess was there was a family emergency, some health, his mother. It's not that. You know, it's, I have no idea what it is. I just found out about two weeks ago that Tom Brady was talking about being an owner for the dolphins while he was a patriot. So I'm not going to try to guess. Tom Brady did a lot of stuff and doesn't have to tell us. But Brady's literally been the guy that won't miss a snap. And so he decides, you know, I got pre-planned. 10-day break. My guess, total guess is he retired. And he made certain promises to his family. And he's got six or seven homes all over the country, one's up in Montana. And he said, let's go on a two-week vacation in August in Montana. And he didn't want to break the promise

because he retired. And then he unretired. And everybody was like, yeah, more dad. And then dad said, hey, I'm not, I can't retire. Lawsuit in Miami. I got to go play. And so he said, I'm going to take a two-week break. I don't think it matters. Aaron Rogers never plays in preseason. I don't think chemistry is an issue. This is his third year with all the guys. It's a terrible division. They're going to win it going away.

Most great athletes. I mean, this is almost all of them all time. Brady's a total exception. Most great athletes at the end. And I'm talking great athletes at the end. They are old. They're injured. They're not as productive.

None of that's true with Brady. Brady's got a guilt issue. He feels like, you know, I've taken too much time away from my family. and he's talked about it publicly. My kids deserve more. My wife deserves more. Brady's issue is a family guilt issue. It's not an old beat-up productivity issue.

Even LeBron, the best body probably in NBA history, even now he struggles to get to 60 games in a regular season. I would not have a problem at all if Brady, the Buccaneers have a buy in week 11. And I mean, let's be honest. Tom was retired. The Buc's got a break. He comes back.

They got a break. is that in week 10, they go to Germany to play the Seahawks. They could probably beat the Seahawks without Tom Brady. I'd have no problem if Tom Brady, after week nine, said, I'm not going to Germany in week 10, I'm going to take the buy off, and I'll see in week 12. And he got 15 days off. I'd have absolutely no problem.

I mean, they've got several games in this division, Atlanta twice. They could win with a backup. But I look at this and I think to myself, Seattle, Germany, buy, take two weeks off. But it is interesting how we hold our football players accountable. In baseball, it's understood. Umpires take vacations. Announcers take vacations. I mean, Clayton Kershaw has some back spasms.

Everybody understands. They're just going to shelf him for like a month and a half. They'll bring him back at the end of the regular season for like three starts, get back in a groove, then they'll play him in the postseason. Could Kershaw come before that? It's understood in baseball. When you have an older pitcher, you just give him time off. take July off if there's any back spasm,

soreness, tenderness in the elbow, you just give them like six, eight weeks off. In football, we're much tougher on our players. We want them to play hurt. We can't believe it. And my guess is this is just family time. And go for it. Take another two-week vacation in the middle of the season.

I'd have absolutely no problem. I said this. When Kyner Murray's contract came up, or Lamar Jackson, and we always talk about those guys run around and they get hurt. And I've always made this argument. Let's say Kyler Murray is a smaller athlete. And over the next five years, he averaged playing 14 or 17 games. He'd miss three games.

I wouldn't sign him. I mean, that would mean in 14 games, I either have the best quarterback or a quarterback capable of beating somebody that's slightly better at quarterback. I'll take that. 17 games now. You've extended the season. I don't need my starting quarterback. back there every week. In fact, the players

have argued they won a second buy in the season. I don't think it's a bad idea. I'd have no problem with a buy in week six and a buy in week 12. I mean, people get buys now after the season. The teams are rewarded for a buy, right? When they're excellent teams, you win your division?

Alex for the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, following the passing of NBA legend, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson took to Twitter, calling for the league to retire Russell's number six across the league. Now, yesterday Adam Silver announced that the NBA would be doing just that saying in a statement, Bill Russell's unparalleled success on the court and pioneering civil right activism

deserved to be honored in a unique and historic way, permanently retiring his number six across every NBA team ensures that Bill's transcendent career will always be recognized. Now, this makes him the first player in NBA history to have a number retired league-wide. Now every team will also wear a commemorative patch on their right shoulder. And they'll have a shamrock shaped logo of Russell's number six on the sideline near the score table. But now players like LeBron who wear number six are grandfathered in, they'll be able to wear it. He's the winningest player in the history of professional sports in America. Yeah.

Yeah, I think, and, you know, obviously the racial stuff he had to deal with. But I, yeah, I mean, like Jerry West was the logo. It's kind of a celebration of a different time. I this to me was an obvious one yeah the magic tweet and people could sometimes make fun of magic's tweets being obvious but this is yeah it's the winning is and think about this we all you know kind of worship at the altar of michael jordan six championships bill's 11 yeah so you know this is one of those duh yeah absolutely it's the ultimate respect there's only two other players and other sports you got wangreske 99 jackie robinson 42 across other sports so yeah

like you said, it was meant to be. All right, moving on. Now, Colin, you mentioned earlier, the Giants could be a good home for Jimmy G. But with an increased suspension looking more likely as the NFL awaits Peter Harvey's decision on the league's appeal, the later's support out of Cleveland says the team could look at another quarterback to bring in.

And with Mary Kay Cabot reporting yesterday, the Browns will consider acquiring 49ers Jimmy Coropolo if Deshawn Watson's six-game suspension increases. Now, Jimmy is a mastermind in chaos. So he sat behind Tom Brady, who essentially got him traded away, didn't want him sitting behind him. And then last season, he spent the entire season playing, knowing that Trey Lance was the future, hearing everyone talk about how Trey Lance was the future, and he kept composure. He did a great job.

He admitted after the season, it was a little tough. But if there's anybody who can control the media, control the situation, it is a Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah, I think we've talked about this. I, there are sometimes there's not a market for a player. Like, I was actually surprised how much of a market there was for Antonio Brown. Yeah. Like, I just could not bring that guy into my camp. There are times I'm shocked at players having any market if they've been disruptive or, you know, like Odell Beckham, I can't pay him a big contract.

He's 30. He's been hurt three times. I think he has value to the Rams, but I can't give him a contract. there are certain guys the opposite is there are eight teams in this league that are bad at quarterback and Garapolo's not only pretty good

he wins but he's a good mentor and he's not disruptive and it's the most important position in the league. I've said this about wide receivers in the NFL the college gives you 30 a year and about 10 that are really special. So like you have this conveyor belt college to pro of all these great receivers.

That's one of the reasons like Odell or Antonio Brown. I'm like, boy, that position gets furnished every year. College football gives us one really elite quarterback a year. We have eight teams without it. So even next year, which is considered a very strong quarterback draft with C.J. Stroud and Bryce Young at the top, both very talented. And then, you know, Miami's got a kid and Kentucky's got a kid. Even next year, y'all realize now if six get drafted, two will hit.

So that means the eight desperate teams will be down to six. So at this position, I am shocked that we ever argue about Lamar deserving a contract. Or like, I even understand Deshaun getting a deal for all his creepiness. Like, so this, I watched the Giants last night and I think, you're going to tell me for the next two years you're not better with Garoppolo. You're just fooling yourself. You're telling fans pay full boat for tickets. We can't compete at the highest levels. I don't get it.

I think Garapolo. And again, I'm not, I don't think this guy's a pro bowler, but I, Cleveland. by the way, runs the exact, not exact, but most of the same offense, San Francisco does. It is very Gary Kubiak, Shanahan, driven. He would be a great fit in Cleveland. And again, he also is a guy that he doesn't expect you to build a franchise around him. He's come to terms with what he is very quickly, which is often the hardest thing for pro athletes to have one to do, self-awareness, own what they've become or what they're marketed as. Jimmy's viewed right now to the Browns as a bridge quarterback. I think he did, I think he

would accept it. He could also be great morale for that locker room. He commands a locker room. Guys are going to listen to him. It could be just what they need in the midst of all of their chaos right now. Well, moving on. Last night, we had the second ever field of dreams game on Fox. And Drew Smiley was the star at the show striking out nine over five scoreless innings in the Cubs four to win over the Reds. But one of the fan favorite moments was when Ken Griffey Sr. and Jr. emerged from the cornfield for a father-son catch for their own version of the memorable scene from the film in front of a sellout crowd of just under 8,000. Now, the Griffey's played catch as more parents and children join them on the field with

their own balls and gloves followed by the Cubs and Reds dressed in special uniforms inspired by how the franchises looked in the early 20th century. Now, Colin, this whole game kind of brings you back to your childhood. Growing up playing baseball with your mom, your dad, I personally grew up with season tickets to the Dodgers. All my childhood memories with my father are at. a baseball game. Well, my first time out of college was a minor league baseball team for two years. So when I see those aerial shots, it reminds me of all the minor league. I went to Hyde Corbett Field in Tucson and Calgary Stadium and Edmontons and Tacomas and Phoenix Firebird Stadium. So I went to all these minor league stadiums for years.

And minor league baseball is totally undervalued. It's affordable. It's easy in and out. And minor league teams go out of their way to take care of the. are fans. Oh, yeah. It's so fun. I mean, and this was the perfect way to kind of tug, I think, at everyone's heartstrings, having the griffies, the perfect father-son duo in baseball, come out and, you know, surface all those memories for all the fans watching.

Good stuff, Alex, for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. So, you know, I saw something yesterday. Greg Popovich is obviously a Hall of Fame coach. He's in his 70s. And so Greg Popovich is sort of going,

the opposite of the rest of the NBA, whereas he doesn't get along with stars. You know, everybody kind of pamper stars in the NBA, right? Like you just kind of deal with it. Pavavage is the opposite. Kauai Leonard wouldn't listen to him. He's out of town. They just, Dante Murray is another way to get. They got rid of him.

It didn't work. They didn't want to pay him big money. And it's kind of the opposite of where the league is going. But San Antonio is a one-horse town. The spurs are projected. The San Antonio spurs are projected in Vegas to be the worst team. in the league. And they've been bad for like four years. They're like they're off, you know, they're off the map. Nobody talks about them. Off the grid. And, uh, you know, Greg Popovich would be

fired if he was not called Greg Popovich and he has a great legacy. But I always think there is a balance of, okay, you were great and gave us this, but we're going to move you into a consulting role because you're 70. Nobody's at their best when the first number on their age is seven. We all know that, right? Like we all kind of peak. I think cognitively, maybe we peek at about 58 to 64, something like that. You can work longer, but NBA's a grind, especially to coach. But Popovich, because of his resume, respectfully, you feel like, you know, Tony LaRusa has a job because of his resume in Chicago.

He feels outdated. Popovich to meet, smart guy feels a little outdated. The culture is now a little more pro player than it's ever been in the NBA. Whether you agree with it or not, that's the reality of the league. So, you know, I watch the Patriots now what the top teams in the league are doing. The league has moved to offense. I mean, if I said who are the best teams to win a Super Bowl this year, almost all of them are offensively driven, right?

You think of Tampa with Tommy and Aaron and Green Bay and the Rams and the Niners. They almost all have top quarterbacks, or at least they have really an offensive sensibility as a franchise. Andy Reid play designer, draft it, develop it. Kansas City is an offensive juggernaut. That organization years ago leaned heavy offense. Miami Dolphins to their credit have gone from defense, pivoted totally to offense. And then there's the Greg Popovich of the NFL Bill Belichick, who remains rigid, grumpy,

and their play calling as all defensive guys or special teams guys. But again, how do you balance the resume? So I watched them last night. There's just nothing there. And then James White retires, an incredibly valuable, versatile player. And so Belichick, they don't know who's calling the plays. I have two stories this morning that Matt Patricia called him, and then Joe Judge is now calling him. I don't know who's calling the plays.

Belichick was on the headset, and afterwards, Bill spoke with the press about it. Do you know if one will call plays when the regular season arise? Yeah, don't worry about that. We'll work it out. So have you decided? We're going through a process, just like everything else on this team. What do you need to see to make a final decision? We're going through a process.

It's simple as that. Okay. It's just a little bit of an unusual situation for us that have watched you guys before. What are you want me to do? I guess we're just looking for a little clarity as to. Great. But, you know, there was a time when Bill Walsh retired. It was inconceivable there would have been a coach better than Bill Walsh.

Like people still use Bill Walsh's West Coast offense today, right? And there's this idea that Belichick's the best coach ever. That's it. We thought that about Michael Jordan. Then LeBron happened. And I look at Belichick and I say to myself, well, he was fired in Cleveland and this is a disaster. And he can't win without Tom. Like Andy Reid has won everywhere.

Two owners, two conferences, two divisions, six quarterbacks, got two different quarterbacks to a Super Bowl. I said it yesterday. If Andy Reid coaches seven more years and wins three more Super Bowls and has a great last 10 years of his career and a really good first, years of his career, are we sure Belichick's the best coach ever? It was inconceivable that somebody could be argued better than Jordan or a football coach would be better than Bill Walsh. This thing is, you know, it's hard to have a great legacy when your final several chapters are awful. It's hard to have a great movie with a bad last 25 minutes. John Elway, last game as a pro won the Super Bowl and walked off and could have played for two more years, two, three more years. People forget this

about John Elway. John Elway was blown out in three Super Bowls. He got a coach fired. He never really could win big games, right? That was always the knock. But he really ended well in the last three years. His legacy is unbelievable. Brett Farve, he got Super Bowl too,

but at the end, he went to the Jets. It was a mess. That last throw in Minnesota before he retired. Oh, God, it was just a mess. And he's been kind of since he retired. He's said a bunch of weird stuff. Nobody talks about Brett Farf. Peyton Manning ends in Denver last couple of years.

He's in Denver for three or four years. He's great most of the time. He wins a Super Bowl, right? And then he's funny on television. His business stuff is doing great. We hold Peyton Manning to a much higher esteem than Brett Farb. But when Farv played, he was more popular than Peyton Manning. I mean, Farv literally until his last days in Green Bay was number one in the NFL in Jersey sales.

He played in Green Bay forever. Everybody had his jersey. Aaron Rogers, similarly in Green Bay for 15 years, he's 20th in Jersey sales. People loved Fav. And now you don't think, it's just that he's not in the conversation. So how you end does matter. Now Michael Jordan went six for six. The Wizards was a mess.

He was only there a couple of years. It's almost like the tape disappeared. But I look at sort of Belichick and the way it's going. It's not just losing. It feels like rigid and stubborn. and it's so bad, or maybe he's smarter than all of us, that the new way to do things is anybody can call plays. Defensive coordinator, cornerback coach, special teams coach.

I don't think that's true. But how this is ending, and there's a convergence here of Josh Allen ascending and Belichick going more defense than offense, and I don't think it's going to play out well. I don't think it's going to, and I just, the AFC now, Mac Jones, maybe the 10th best quarterback. And Belichick was fired before New England. And it's going to end poorly. I don't, I'm not saying we're not going to consider Bill really bright.

But it's, I don't think it's a hot take. If Andy Reid, if I knew he was going to coach 10 more years with Bahams and his last from today and his last 14 years or three or four Super Bowls kept up with the league, pivoted with the league, draft and develop well. And Belichick stays six more. and this is what I get. Stuff that feels inconceivable. I mean, Bill Walsh was, we thought Lombardi was it.

And then we thought Walsh was it. And now we think Belichick was it. Man, this ain't pretty. This is not pretty. I'm fascinated by New England. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they win 11 games. Maybe they literally have really no week-to-week game.

All the stuff he was great about early. was always known as every week. He kept, he was updated. He was constantly preparing for the opponent with a different game plan. They seem so outdated, so out of sorts. I don't even know it to me. I watched it last night. I'm like, I don't get it.

I give up. I don't get it. The whole world's going left. They're going right. I don't get it. Leroy Butler, the Hall of Famer Packers around the corner. Leroy Butler. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talk to coaches. We talk to players. We tell you stories.

You download it. You listen to it. I think you like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, wherever you get your podcast. You know, I was talking about. talking about the world's going left, the Patriots are going right. For years and years, Microsoft in the Pacific Northwest was the company of note. Steve Jobs left Apple. They went down.

They eroded. And the entire industry, Apple said the iPhone is everything. It is the future of our lives, which it's become. And Microsoft's like, no, we're not really into the phone. And Microsoft had Bill Gates and Paul Allen and Steve Ballmer, three of the smartest guys in America. And Microsoft, I don't know if they were stubborn. They just didn't grasp it. They didn't go with the phone. Apple said, we don't think it's important. We think it's everything going forward. And look at what Apple's done.

Now, Microsoft has rebounded. You know, you've got a lot of smart people. But sometimes these legendary companies just, they just miss. They've got a hole. They don't see it. And I, and I, maybe Belichick's smarter than the world. But, man, I do not get this new philosophy of offense is overrated. Let's have defensive guys and special teamers and cornerback coaches running the offense.

I don't get it. Leroy Butler is a pro football Hall of Famer. Couldn't be a better guy. Big talk show host in Green Bay. So you were just introduced, by the way, congratulations. Great player, great guy. Good for you. One of four players in NFL history with 35 picks and 20 sacks.

So here we go. Green Bay is fascinating. This is well documented that sometimes Aaron, as gifted as he is, has some kind of trust issues with young receiver. Took him a while for Devante Adams. took him a while for maybe a Donald driver. And now we're asking him, take these rookies and just be great. It's really, you know, I have my doubts.

What have you heard and seen so far from it? Well, they got a kid, Romeo Dubs, that seemed to be the new guy that's making splash plays. Christian Watson, he was put on the pub list, wasn't available. That was their top pick in the second round. But I think it's the system, Colin, that you have to have to have. of faith and belief in that they can develop guys along the way. But at the same time, they're still going to run the ball, a lot of play action,

and Aaron just has to be himself. I think this may be one of his more productive years because now he just has to force the ball to Devante Adams. They've done that for three years and have not gotten to the Super Bowl. So let's try something different. Maybe spread the ball around. Maybe you can get to the Super Bowl. So Aaron Rogers made a comp the other day to Jordan Love.

Do we have an update on that? Do we have a sense of Jordan Love? Is he getting better? Is there a plateau? Where is he at? What have you seen? I think that's a great question. I think the people who've seen him,

have not seen enough of him, to forge a judgment against Kansas City. That was only one game. And then the pandemic really stunted his growth. But this year, he gets Tom Clemens, another quarterback's coach, Adamovich, who's the office and line coach last year. Now he's the coordinator,

just like most young quarterbacks. They have a lot of different coaches, but he's always been on the matla floor. This past year, you see more tape of him working out in the all season and things of that nature. And I'm telling him, Colley, he looks much better. Now, we'll get a chance to see that more tonight because he's going to play a lot in this preseason. The good thing about he's familiar with the defense that Kyle Shannanan runs, so he should be okay. But for the most part, he's going to be just like any quarterback in this particular office, the Rams, San Francisco. he just had to do what he do, move the chains.

Don't go out and try to be Aaron Rogers, just keep the chains moving. You know, Green Bay over the last 20, 25 years has a different standard than most of the league. It's not about winning the division. They win it three out of four years. You got to win playoff games. And, you know, that was the knock on McCarthy. McCarthy won a lot of regular season games. They didn't trust him in the postseason.

I've watched Matt Lafleur and Green Bay melt down in the fourth quarter the last two years in the playoffs. I mean, last year, Garoppolo outplayed Aaron Rogers. I can blame all on Aaron, but it did feel the team got tight, situationally got out maneuvered. What is the feeling today on your talk show? Because the standard in Green Bay is not winning a division. Been there, done that. The standard is getting to the conference championship and beyond. Are there any apprehensions about LaFleur and the fourth quarter meltdowns in the playoffs? Well, I tell you what, I think the word is finish. He was 39 and 10 in three years.

That's phenomenal. I think he beat George Seper's record. That's been great. But now it's about finishing and getting to the Super Bowl. You're spot on. And technically, they're thinking the same thing. We won a lot of games and we lost games at home to Tom Brady and Garoppolo. Now, let's finish.

So what we did back in the 90s with Mike Holmium, who I think who's a Hall of Famer, on every at the week 11 Colin we did ones against ones on Friday to keep the competitive juices up we were great in the playoffs because we had the same problem when we lost to Dallas in 1995 and we just didn't know what it takes to finish but when it gets into the playoffs you got to understand it's a new season so I think you have to adjust your practice schedule and go more ones against ones that puts your guys in the the most mind frame of, we're in playoff mode now. And for the last four or five games, you play accordingly.

So, yeah, listen, there's that story that came. Aaron's been pretty public in his last couple of off seasons. And, you know, there's the I'm going to retire stuff, which I don't love, all the Hollywood friends. And some of that stuff just doesn't play well in the Midwest. Now he comes out and says, yeah, I had a psychedelic brew. And, you know, I live in California. And I looked at it, and I thought that's a little over the top.

I don't want my franchise quarterback talking about that. But beat out as it may he did. How did that play among your constituents, your audience on your radio show? Well, there's no judgment. I mean, whatever guy has to do with anxiety and do with pain, you have to do out of distance at least say it was nothing illegal about it. I think a lot of guys don't really like taking pills and injections if they're having some kind of pain and things of that nature.

One thing about Aaron Rogers, he just wanted to be relaxed through what all the scrutiny is, on and off the field to understand what's my purpose. And that's what he's coming to realize that you're on a, you're a quarterback of a team that says it's called title town. No other team can say that. And Aaron have to understand that when you get in the locker room, your teammates love you. There's no judgment at all.

And the fan base will support you. But he has to understand that let us support you. Let us fight some of your battles for you. You don't need to be. arguing with people online. We can do that for you because I think the more and more Aaron understands that once this game is over and he has a gold jacket like me, you know, I miss the game and I miss my teammates. So while you're playing, just have fun.

I think this year, this is a great prediction for me. I told my nephew this, this will be the most fun he's ever had this year because he doesn't have to kind of 80% of the playbook going to Devonte. he can really spread things around. And if he's an MVP with this receiving car, oh, he'll be one of the goats to play this game. Finally, when they unveiled your Boston, you were officially a Hall of Famer. You'd been a great player forever.

How emotional. What was the first thing that went through your mind when you saw that in canon? Carter, I thought of my mom, she passed away six years ago and how she taught me to be a humble person, but at the same time, use a platform to help others.

my teachers. I talked about my teammates and things that in the Bob Harlan, the Green Bay Packer. Playing for one team was very important. So I just love having fun. I'd like the fact that my teammates were down there with me. And this is a dream come true. When you, just like I said, the beginning of my speech, when you play for the Packers, a lot of doors open up for you. When you win a championship, all doors open up. But when you go to the Hall of Fame, Colin, football heaven opens up. So it's just truly amazing to have this kind of platform to get in the Hall of Fame, especially when there's only 362 guys in the Hall of Fame. Isn't that amazing?

All those players, 362. Hey, you know, normally we do a surprise for you real quick. All right. Last time we had your picture up, this year I got a holograp, a Hall of Fame jersey for you. Look at you. And so, and I have one for Joy, too. Do I know she's off? You're such a thoughtful guy.

And I got one for Alex too. I got one for Alex as well. I'll take it. You have always been. I love, I trust Leroy because I go to him and ask him what his callers are saying. And he always gives us the straight skinny and it's not always good news. But you're an incredibly thoughtful guy. And I just love that about you.

And I still can't figure out the picture of J-Lo behind you, but that's your private business and not mine. And so be that as it may. She's married now, but we still love J-Lay-Lie. And thank you for, I'm glad she got married, so she's happy, and this show is happy when J-Lo's happy. I love it. Leroy, it's great seeing you as always. Thank you so much, Colin. Take care.

Bye, bye, Alex. All right. See you. See you. It's a quality guy. He really is. Heart of gold. Yeah.

And, you know, it's interesting. I did local radio for years, and there are times I miss it. I miss Monday morning, if you're in an NFL city and you lose a close game, you, you You open the phone lines up. That is gold. Our two next. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.

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