The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Nuggets force game 7

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

Colin discusses the Nuggets forcing a game 7 against the Thunder and why teams like Denver have had so much success in the playoffs vs the regular season darlings like Oklahoma City He addresses Caleb Williams trying to maneuver his way out of getting selected by the Bears in the 2024 NFL draft that Colin originally reported over a year ago   Guest: Danny ParkinsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J. Mack, Denver did it. I thought they were on fumes. Jamal Murray was sick. Get them in that altitude. Let them play a little bit. They actually had a bit of a bench last night. We know that OKC's got all the depth. You now have taken the tack.

You're rooting against OKC. Oh, 1,000 percent, Colin. Give me Denver all day. But tonight's the big one. New York Knicks can close out the Celtics. I know what you're doing tonight for Friday night. Yes, so Denver wins at home. They force a game seven.

And what these NBA playoffs have clearly illustrated, the dominant regular season teams, a lot of them pretty, a lot of them, three-ball reliant. The calves are out. The Celtics probably will be in OKC's now in a game seven. We've always understood playoff basketball is more intense, but the NBA's willingness to let it be super physical

has made the pretty teams pretty vulnerable. Celts Cavs, both could be out by tonight, and they lived on the three. Oklahoma City's depth and blowouts and youth, they're going to a game seven. These playoffs have had some tush push to them. Denver's a great example. old, big, strong, tough, a lot like Minnesota, who's already in the Western Conference final. And Denver's bench, that's been the concern, right? Like it's limited.

But last night, once again, Westbrook had a couple of big buckets, and another Gonzaga guy stepped up. When Yokic hit the bench, Julian Strother was absolutely excellent hitting shots. Again, a Gonzaga guy. But it's never been more clear. the gap between the NBA's regular season and postseason. It's wider than we thought, and we thought it was different. And a lot of this is Adam Silver just saying, listen, I'm getting complaints, I'm hearing complaints. It's two, three ball reliant.

How do you change it? Let them be physical. Bang around the shooters. Scoring inside matters more. Minnesota is not relying on a three. Pacers are not reliant. on a three. The Knicks are not reliant on a three. Denver's not. And so now, now the Lakers and the Warriors, they have that veteran playoff experience, but they don't have the size. And that's their

shortcoming. I think it's made for highly entertaining basketball. I thought Denver was done, but the former champions have a chin. And again, I think I like Oklahoma City in game seven. They're at home. I think they'll shoot the three ball better. But you're giving me Yokic. you're giving me Gordon, Jamal Murray was great being sick. We have the potential for a number four seed facing a number three seed in the Eastern Conference Final and a four seed facing a sixth seed

in the Western Conference Final. And listen, I said during the regular season, I thought the game was too pretty, there's too much scoring, I wanted more banaletics, less analytics, less three-ball shooting, and Adam Silver listened to me and a lot of you that were saying the same thing,

let's get physical. It works. It's entertaining basketball, and it's benefited the Knicks and the Pacers and Minnesota and Denver last night, teams that don't necessarily rely on three-ball shooting. We got a game seven, and here's the coach of the Nuggets, David Adelman. The challenge of playing great teams is just being consistent mentally. And again, I've said this throughout the series,

what they did this year is incredible. They've earned the home court on Sunday. And on the flip side, we've earned the right to go down there and the opportunity to try to beat them in a game seven. So this is what it's all about. Team that's done it all year long, a group in there that's hung a banner. You know, I would tune into this game. So it's interesting. The Celtics Cavs and the Thunder during the regular season averaged 120 a game.

Those teams are now down to 114. team. And those teams were making 16 to 16 and a half three-pointers a game. They're now down to 14. Well, that's six points. And these are close games. So again, Minnesota, the Knicks, the Pacers are physical and long. All the teams with size that aren't reliant on the three are either winning or about to win. and I think it's better basketball. I just, I've enjoyed the playoffs. I like it. I've said for years, give me a mid-range jumper.

I just don't want 62-3s winning the NBA championship. So we saw baseball do this for years. They started tweaking and tweaking and tweaking and it was harder to score runs and stolen bases were going down. So baseball makes the base bigger. They get rid of the defensive ship. Well, what's happening? Right. There's more hits.

Average is going up. There's more runs, there's more base runners, there's more stolen bases. The NFL tweak their catch. So what we're seeing in real time here is the NBA during a season of three-point parades saying, you know, we don't want our playoffs to look like that. We want our playoffs to be about veterans, stars, physicality, a little NFL tush-push, and this is what you get, and I think it's been great. So yesterday, a story broke yesterday.

Oh, wait, it broke a year ago, and I got crap for reporting it, whatever. Seth Wickersham, great reporter at ESPN reports, something we did a year ago, which is Caleb Williams' dad wasn't in love with the idea of his son being a Chicago bear based on, you know, history and the truth. and Caleb Williams, you know, was considering his options, but eventually just said, I'll be a bear. So, and here's the thing. This story broke yesterday when we were on the air about midway through the show. All those concerns and all those Chicago Bears hurdles turned out to be true. So where you land, you know this, is 75% of the game for a quarterback. Go look at Matt Stafford.

Easily the best high school quarterback in the country. best college quarterback, had to go 13 years to really find Sean McVeigh. He was 74 and 90 in Detroit. First couple of years in Los Angeles, like, is he better than Aaron Rogers? He's hoisting a trophy, beating Joe Burrow in the biggest game of the year. Go look at Jared Goff, 0 for 7 with defensive-minded Jeff Fisher. One year later, 11 and 4 with McBay and a passer rating in the hundreds. He looked like a bust.

Sam Darnold. Disaster with a defensive coach and the Jets. Well, some Adam Gase and some offense, some defense, but where you land matters, disaster in New York, struggled in Carolina, magical in Minnesota, Baker Mayfield. It's Hugh Jackson, it's Freddie Kitchens, it's Greg Williams. It's, oh, then he finds McVeigh and he finds Liam Cohen. What do you know?

Baker looks like a top 12 to 13 quarterback in the NFL. No. The bottom line in this stuff is if you start looking at your bakers, if you start looking at Donald, if you start looking at Gough, if you start looking at Stafford, if you start looking at all these guys, where you land matters. And that's what Caleb Williams was worried about. I mean, it's like if you were going to date a rock star and you were worried about infidelity and a wild lifestyle, that's not being cynical. That's not being skeptical. Those are legitimate concerns. Now, the good news is, and we talked about this yesterday, the good news is, is you can rebound. You couldn't like 20 years ago. If you got stuck with your first coach, you know, coaches, that may be it. Like, that's it. There are so many now great young offensive minds, so many McVeigh copycats. You know, Kevin O'Connell, Minnesota, they call them the tall Sean McVeigh. There are so many good offensive coaches that a Darnold or a Gino Smith or a Tua or a Jared Gough has a second chance. And I think Caleb got lucky. The Bears got rid the front office ownership, got rid of the defensive head coach and the defensive

staff, they got him potentially his Sean McVeigh. And I think Ben Johnson, much like Sean McVeigh or Sean Payton in Denver or Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota, what's the first thing Ben Johnson did? Clean up the offensive line for his young quarterback. Something Mike Tomlin can't do for the last decade. So I think it's going to turn out well. But I think all this stuff, ask yourself, when you were kind of. coming out of college. If I would have told you, yeah, there's this company that's going to

choose you. They really like you, but they have a hundred year history of not getting your position right. Would you not be concerned? So here's ESPN, Seth Wickersham, that story that broke during our show yesterday on Chicago radio and then Ben Johnson, too. Seth, how close do you think the Williams family was to actually not being drafted by the Bears in some way, either getting out of it or having one of these plans coming for I mean, I think it was like, you know, the gasoline's out. Do we want to light the match? And Caleb didn't want to light the match.

I see a chance for greatness here for him. He's been communicated that way, and he feels the same way. I don't know what's going on prior to him joining the organization, but he is very proud to be a Chicago bear. That's what our conversations have included, and he's really excited to get to work right now and be the best version of himself. for 2025. I'm excited. That's what makes coaching fun is when the hiccups occur, when the adversity strikes. How do we respond to it? That's when you find out who you are as a man.

For the record, one year from now, Arch Manning, I just read a story about Arch Manning. He's put on like 8 to 10 pounds or some muscle. It's really worked on his mechanics. Arch Manning is going to be the number one pick in the draft. And, you know, if you asked him privately, you know where he'd want to go, the Rams, who have two first-round picks. But they're going to be too good, and they have Atlanta's first-round pick, and Atlanta probably wins a lot of games in the weak division, so they probably won't have the ammo to move up to get Arch Manning. Privately, though, that's where he wants to go.

He would love to go to them, not Cleveland, who also has two first-round picks. It's nothing against Kevin Stavansky, but you got Pickett and Shadour and Dylan Gabriel and Joe Flacco. It's a circus. Johnny Mansell, you passed on Mahomes, like it's a circus. So like it's, and I think everybody watching or listening to the show understands it. Sports can be incredibly cruel. The harder you work coming out of college as an athlete, the worst organization you often go to. Cross your fingers on Ben Johnson.

I do think him activating the front office with the Bears and going heavy in O-line investments. Joe Tunney, Drew Dolman, is a great sign. First thing Sean Payton did in Denver for Bo Nix, get the O line right. McVeigh, first thing he did from Jeff Fisher, Andrew Whitworth left tackle from the Bengals. So that was the first thing he did. Let's go get the offensive line right. That bodes very well for Caleb Williams. But I have no problem with his dad's skepticism or his as well.

All right, J-Mack tonight is huge. The Knicks. Now, Boston's a weird team, Jay-Mack. It is historically weird. Their net rating is better without Jason Tatum. I know. It's crazy. What's the line?

I would guess the Knicks are favored by one or two. I like the Knicks tonight, do you? So, yes, I do like the Knicks. They will win. That being said, this whole idea that the Celtics net rating is better without Tatum, like we need more context. Who are they playing, you know, or some other Celtics missing? I think that game was less about Tatum, the last one.

More about the move to put Lerner. Luke Cornett in the game in the second half for Porzingis, who gave him nothing. Luke Cornet had seven blocks, Colin. There's videos online where he's guarding three and four people. Joe Missoula finally got off his hands and did something. It was a genius move. But I still like the Knicks tonight garden. It's going to be a nice scene there.

Very excited from my Knicks advancing. Well, it'll obviously the biggest Knicks game in, I mean, however long. Well, since game three. Yeah, I mean, it's, but I mean, you're, It's the Knicks history has been greater than the Knicks' recent history. Their valuation as a team has always been greater than their productivity and results. But the world of basketball is, it's Madison Square Garden tonight. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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I don't do it all the time, but I will defend anonymous sourcing. You see these anonymous polls the NBA does. Well, the WNBA just did an anonymous poll. You don't have to put your name on it. And the truth finally came out. Caitlin Clark voted on by general managers, the best point guard, the best shooting guard, and the singular player they would start the franchise with. In the weird insular WNBA, this has been a real struggle.

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I'm not going to apologize for watching it when it got really interesting. And I've said this about Steph Curry. I love Draymond Green and Jimmy Butler and Pods. But if you take Steph Curry out of the Warriors, they're kind of boring. And if you take Caitlin Clark out of the Dunby NBA and her team, it's not the same. She's packing now larger arenas. She's taking and making shots. Nobody's ever done in the history of the sport.

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That's Steph Curry. the WNBA flew commercial flights before she played a game they went to privatize flights that's Caitlin Clark only Caitlin Clark so just just promote it market it

ride the best wave this league has ever had it doesn't mean they haven't have great players it doesn't mean they don't have other really great players but you get these comments You get these unique unicorns. That's what she is. And once you went to an anonymous poll, the GMs are like, yep, that's who you'd start the franchises with.

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News. All right, Colin, let's start with the New York Giants. We ridiculed them for that brutal schedule yesterday. Well, Giant GM, Joe Shane, took his quarterback of the future, Jackson Dart in the draft, and he talked to Kay Adams about why he felt the Giants quarterback room can lead Dart to success in the NFL. Any player that we take, it's a collaborative process, and it's very detailed, and we believe in it. So, you know, Jackson's a guy that was on the radar throughout the fall. We were able to see play live, I spent a lot of time with him at the Senior Bowl, you know, as well this spring. And then you throw in a Mike Kafka who was there for Patrick Mahomes' rookie year where he only played one game, and he got to see that development.

And Jay Tierney, our quarterback coach. So three coaches on staff that have been a part of, you know, the development of two pretty good quarterbacks in the league right now. Yeah, sure. Well, he'll play this year. Oh, really? How much? I think you'll see him. I mean, by the way, I read a story today where Russell Wilson was fully engaged and aware that the Giants were going to move up and take a quarterback. So he's going to play.

And I think if you look at their schedule, it's crazy. It's unbelievable. The giant schedule compared to the Niners. It's two different sports. Like the giant schedule, if they play well, I mean, look at this, playoff Washington, at Dallas, playoff Kansas City, playoff chargers. Oh, they get a brief. either, but they're at the Saints, which is a tough place to play. Super Bowl winning Philadelphia, playoff Denver, playoff Philly.

You know the Niners are going to be better than last year. So, I mean, this is a, I do not remember a schedule through 12 weeks of my life that was this. This is a brutal schedule for a good team. Do you think they might not be favored in any game next season. I don't know that they're definitely favored against the Saints on the road. it's possible maybe but other than that like they're going to be an underdog in every single game that's a death knell Jackson darts playing and Jackson dart that this team listen the bottom line is Brian dable has to win games if Russell's not win my guess is they go

oh and four to start the year and you may give Russell Wilson the Saints game or as a staff you're like let's give Jackson dart the only easy game on our schedule there's a world where Russell Wilson works with his deep ball down the sideline to Malik neighbors. We just outjump everybody. I mean, maybe they're competitive. I just, I don't see it. All right, let's move on to the NBA Colin. I kind of found this comical, but there's a report that says the Houston Rockets really want Janus.

They're considering trading Al-Pren Shengun in a package for Janus. Let me just get the wording for you. The Rockets would consider. The report goes on to say, Milwaukee said, yeah, but we'd rather have Jalen Green and Jabari Smith than Shengoon. This is going to be such a fun offseason in the NBA, and I do think the Rockets and Yan has made perfect sense. First of all, Shangoon's an all-star at 22 and has a defined offensive game. Jabari Smith and Jalen Green are just athletic. Green to this point's lost offensively.

He does look at all. So if that's what Milwaukee wants, by all means, give it to them. If you can keep Shen Goon in the trade for Yannis, that's nuts. That's the one guy in the roster. I'd want. Well, the only problem with that, Colin, is then you have two non-shooters on the floor. Yonis ain't a three-point shooter. Neither is Shengun, so you've got a packed lane.

If you are able to move off Shengun, could you find a stretch five, a center who shoots threes, a Lorry, Markin, and just somewhere up that out. I think Shengoon can develop into a nice, I don't know his numbers in front of me. He's got a feathery, beautiful. He can hit 18 footers. Shengoon's a really nice, classic European smart, can shoot, highly skilled, nice touch. I mean, if I'm Milwaukee, everything starts with that. I don't want to be saddled with Jalen Green trying to teach him how to play offensive

half-court basketball. Listen, at some point you need a guy who can get a bucket. But the other thing is, remember, Janice didn't really make the jump to light speed until they unlock Lopez as a three-point shooter. And then it was like, oh, my gosh, look at all this space in the lane. We got Middleton, we got Lopez, and Yanis just diving and scoring at Will. So this is just going to be fascinating to watch. My only thing, Colin, if you're Janus or you're in his camp, do you tell him, listen, man, I know the rockets look appealing.

I know the Spurs do. If you stay east, you've got a better shot to get to the finals because the West is beyond loaded. Well, you know, Pete Carroll is telling Chip Kelly, yes, we have Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, and Andy Reed in our division. vision, but you're going to have to face them in the playoffs eventually anyway. So why not get their playbooks? You know, why not play them twice and know exactly what they are? You're going to have to play them eventually so we won't get caught off guard. And my take is, you know, if you're Yonis, it's not about getting to the playoffs. It's about winning titles. Well, you're going to have to play those teams anyway. And by the way, the Knicks aren't going to be a pushover. The Celtics

aren't going anywhere. Indiana looks tough. So the bottom line is if he wants to go where it's warm, state tax and a team that can win a title. If I don't have to give up Shangoon and I can get Yonis, wow. I mean, the two players, I'm Houston. I don't want to give up. Amen Thompson and Shangoon. You could have everybody else and picks. But if I could keep those two and get Yonis, you are a championship level team next year.

That's a good point. Final story, Colin, oh, boy, here we go with your favorite guy, Bill Belichick. He was on the morning show, Good Morning America today. talking with Michael Strayhan, and Bill Belichick, while promoting his book, was asked about his girlfriend, Jordan Hudson. Take it away, Bill. What did Jordan mean to you? Well, we have good personal relationship. And, you know, I'm not talking about personal relationships.

Michael, you know that. She's been terrific through the whole process, and she's been very helpful to me. She does the business things that don't relate to North Carolina that come up in my life, so I can concentrate on football, and that's really what I want to do. Yeah, see, that doesn't bother me at all. And that's what, you know, she helps him with a little bit. You know, it's hoodie in the hashtag. She helps him with all the social stuff.

And he does his, by the way, Belichick at this point has massive real estate. He's got a lot of stuff going on in his life. A book. She can do all that stuff. Yeah. I just, Colin, how much of this storyline has become about jealousy? You got a 75-year-whatever, Belichick, 70-year-old. 70-year-old guy with like a 25-year-old hot chick who's in beauty pageants.

Is there some jealousy out there around this story? I think the family's concerns to me are very transparent. When they say they're worried about Bill and they're worried about the will. You know, Bill is not, he is not, again, he's not an old man, a feeble old man. People that are 70 and that, like Nick Saban, when you've been making $10 to $15 million a year, you're getting better health care. You're eating better. You have people doing all the DMV stuff.

You're just doing, I mean, honestly, you're playing a lot of golf, you're doing your job, you're eating better than the average person. It's like when people say, oh, the Western diet, you only live to be 68. If you're making the kind of money, Belichick is you have assistance doing the tedious stuff. Again, nutrition, medical, it's different life. He's 73, the average American. he's probably healthier than the average 63. That's great, Colin. I hear that.

And then if you're in his family and you read these articles that all of a sudden, this girl dating Bill Belichick, all of a sudden has a massive real estate portfolio in eight months. So, whoa, whoa, what's going on here? You're getting swindled. I'm not saying that. You just have to ask these questions if you're the family, no? I don't think a girlfriend having a duplex in Cape Town means Belichick's getting swindled. Okay, what about three of them?

He's got a place in Jupiter, Florida, a place in Nantucket. He's got $100 million of real estate, boats. Ooh, she's got a townhome on the Cape. I don't, I just, I'm sorry. It just, it's Bill's $200 million net worth. She's got a $7 million net worth. I'm okay with it. She has a $7 million net worth out of the blue.

Her net worth two years ago was zero. And now it's seven, but again, I don't really care. My favorite thing is this whole, the money aspect, I'm sure you've heard all these gurus online. Oh, money's not going to make you happy. You know what? Give me some of your money and then we'll talk about it. Right? I mean, it's just silly.

Like, of course, she's going to be thrilled. Listen, when you're young, her parents had a business. The business went bankrupt. She's young. She's beautiful. She's ambitious. Let's just, let's be honest. Guys who are young from divorced families, ambitious.

been doing this forever like a young woman does it everybody's like whoa it's like guys this is what kids come a little turbulence in their life they have an opportunity sometimes you move sometimes it's a relationship whatever ambitious young people find their way if it's through a relationship i'm okay with it i'll reserve the i'm just gonna stand down on this i'll let your words uh do the talking j mac with the news Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

So, you know, it's, in my lifetime, there have only been three athletes that have been, like, historically hyped and then over-delivered. Otani is one of them. Bobblehead night last night. He had two jacks. So the three athletes are Tiger Woods, LeBron James, and Otani. I mean, think about LeBron James. he surpassed Magic Johnson in assists and Kareem in points. Tiger Woods, nobody had ever won four consecutive majors.

He did. It's called the Tiger Slam. So, I mean, when you're surpassing Magic and Kareem and Jack Nicholas, like that's, that's, and that's what we have here. It's totally accepted now. He's better than Babe Ruth. I mean, some guys break records. He's rewriting the book. I mean, he's got 15 home runs, over 10 stolen bases, 45 runs.

There's 45 runs scored and 25 walks through 42 games. Never been done. And it's just so interesting last night. And he wants to pitch for the Dodgers. And contractually, the organization, they probably don't want him to. They're in first place without it. But there's so many pitching injuries, and we'll talk to that about Dave Roberts. Baseball has three times as many Tommy John's surgeries today as like 10, 15 years ago.

There's a lot of reasons for it. Velocity is everything. You know, injuries are all over. baseball pitching staffs. The Dodgers are a great illustration to that. So I think privately, they probably would rather just, can you just hit and drive in runs? They don't want to risk the injury.

But, I mean, I think contractually, they've kind of agreed if he's going to be a Dodger, he's going to pitch and he wants to pitch. But last night, two home runs, six RBI's, classic Otani on Bottlehead night. He's by far and away the most productive player, and here's home run number one.

On a 2-0, Otani, launches a ball the other way, It turns the seeds. It is going. On a team that is completely stacked, the Dodgers batting order is an all-star team. This year, first in runs. He had a little slump. I think he had his first child.

They didn't, you know, for a couple of weeks, obviously distracted. But he's, I mean, on a team that's got speed, power, Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, first, second, third, you know, he's just a remarkable. He, Tiger Woods and LeBron. I know LeBron's got his critics, and we thought he was going to be really good. We didn't think he was going to surpass the Skyhook and Magic Johnson and still going and still a top 10 player. Live in Chicago, it's The Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Kavino.

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Got to keep those pitchers healthy, which is just incredible in baseball over the last five to ten years. All the Tommy John surgeries have tripled. Danny Parkins, for years, dominated Chicago radio. Now he's at FS1 Breakfast Bowl, and he's joining us. He knows his show. Chicago sports. So Seth Wicker-sham, very respected guy, comes out, and, you know, he's writing a book on the history of quarterbacks, and all of a sudden here's Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams' dad.

I really defended Caleb, and I said, you know, years ago, if your first team stunk, you were really behind the eight ball. Now, Goff, Tua, Baker, Darnold, Gino, there's so many good offensive coaches that you do get second and third opportunities. Baker Mayfield now crushing it. So I think Caleb's going to be fine. But what was your takeaway on some of the comments by Caleb and his dad about the Bears before they became Bears? Well, first of all, you were all over this. You were reporting this well before the draft that Caleb and his camp had some concerns about the Bears. And, you know, when Carl Williams said, this is where Chicago's where quarterbacks go to die, I think there were about a million Bears fans in the Chicago metro area who were like,

yep, we know. Yeah, that's about as relatable. Thank you. Like, that's seen in Wolf of Wall Street. One of us. One of us. One of us. It would have been like if a Chicago cub was like, you know, I believe in curses before 2016, like we're well aware that that's where quarterbacks go to die. I thought Caleb was maybe like 10% too honest with Seth Wickersham.

I respect the fact that he owned up to it. I don't think he needed to say that he had his hand on the nuclear button. for the nuclear option. He's like, yeah, I was considering nuking the city. Probably not necessary. You could have just been said, yeah, I was, you know, evaluating all of my options and I'm thrilled to be a bear. But the thing about it was, was that all of the concerns, Colin ended up being justified.

They fired Shane Waldron nine games into the year, and Caleb Williams said he was watching film alone and had never been taught how to watch films. So it explains why it was such a disaster last season. Now, again, Tua, D. defensive coach to McDaniels made a Pro Bowl. I mean, Greg Williams, Hugh Jackson, Freddie Kitchens to McVeigh and Lee and Cohn transformed Baker's life.

Gough, Fisher to McVe. One of the things that's been noteworthy, Kevin O'Connell did this, Sean Payton did it in Denver immediately, and this is one of the things McVeigh did it in L.A. with Andrew Whitworth. It's a very encouraging sign. The really good offensive coaches can solve offensive lines. Andy Reid and McVeigh in an offseason. They don't even need a season.

Sure. They don't even need a off season. So my take on Ben Johnson is he gets it. Their money and focus on the O line, I don't think people understand how good Dolman and Tooney are. Like in NFL circles, those are like very respected

players. So I think Chicago's a wildcard team, or is that overly optimistic? No, it's not overly optimistic at all. It's a tough schedule. The win total in Vegas is eight and a half, but they upgraded left guard, center, right guard, nose tackle, defensive end, tight end one or two, depending on how you value Cole Commet, wide receiver three, head coach, and play caller. All in one off season. That's pretty substantial. That's pretty good. There's always going to be more pressure on the Hall of Famers

who have been paid, who haven't won a Super Bowl, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. But Caleb Williams is going to be very high up on those lists of who's under the most pressure to perform this year, because you can look at the Bears roster and say, okay, kid, times yours. Like, what do the Bears not have at this point? They've done everything right after sabotaging his rookie year. There's a lot of things to take away from the NFL schedule. I thought the Chargers between Brazil, all these short weeks against Detroit, Buffalo, why the Chargers get this cookie dough soft middle of the season.

schedule. I had predicted I think they're going to pull back. They're on the margins anyway right now. They enter the season with kind of a sketchy O line, which is the only thing that's ever undone. That's been the only kryptonite for Mahomes has been like left tackle or O line issues. So I do think they'll pull back and be like a 10-11 win team, not a dominant, not a dominant operation. Is there something about the schedule that jumped out to Danny Parkins? Well, last year we talked about the Pittsburgh Steelers how they needed to get off to a strong start because the end of the season schedule was so brutal. That's the Dallas Cowboys this year. And I know, okay, America's team, they're going to be on national TV. No one's

crying for the Cowboys. But it's literally historic. Week 12 through week 17, they play every team on their schedule, won 11 or more games last year. They play on Thanksgiving. They play on Christmas. And there's two four-day breaks. Like, they have four days off between the Eagles and Chiefs. I don't know. the greatest memory in the world, but those two teams were in the Super Bowl last year. That's fairly difficult. Then four days off between Chargers and commanders, with that Commander's game being on the road, is remarkably difficult. So we knew the opponents ahead of time, but I thought the sequencing for Dallas was

absolutely brutal to finish the season. So, you know, the Knicks game tonight can be one of two things. Historically great or a nightmare. I like them tonight. Connie, your forecast, you're in the city, your forecast for what we see tonight in an interesting series. I think the first quarter is going to tell us a lot. This is objectively the biggest game at Madison Square Garden since the conference finals in 2000. New York is a basketball town.

Just ask a New Yorker. The Knicks are the one thing that really truly unites the city because, you know, Mets and Yankees, all the different hockey teams, jets and giants. That's fairly well understood, whether you've spent a day here, an hour here, or years and years your entire life. It's a Knicks town. But, Colin, you know this. 3-1 can get spun two different ways. It's happened 13 times in NBA history.

A team came back from down 3-1, or a team collapsed from being up 3-1. When LeBron came back from down 3-1 against the Warriors, it's the single most impressive thing I've ever seen in basketball. He does it against the super team. He leads both teams in all five statistical categories. That was framed as a comeback. with Tatum rupturing as Achilles, if the Knicks lose, this will be a choke. Now, maybe if Boston ends up winning the title, history will be a little bit kinder to it,

but in the immediate aftermath, this will go up there as one of the great chokes in NBA playoff history and one of the great chokes in New York sports history. You remember, of course, 04 Yankees, Red Sox, that's down 3-0. They come back, the bloody sock game, Dave Roberts with the Steel, Big Poppy, the MVP, Johnny Damon the Grand Slam. 3-1's not as bad as 3-0. But when the star player on the Celtics ruptures as Achilles, I'll just say the Knicks better come out hot in the first quarter tonight,

or that's going to be a very, very tense building over at the world's most famous arena. I know this is, it happened almost a week ago. I didn't get your take on this. Nick and I were aligned on this. I'm not, listen, if the NBA was going to rig things, they wouldn't have Zion going to the Pelicans and Wemby going to the spurs. What do you make of all the Cooper flagged Dallas Maverick rig talk? I think it's ridiculous, but I am in the minority, apparently.

You're not in the minority. This is an internet creation. Everything is a conspiracy on the internet. It's not enough to be like, journalists were in the room. And then the NBA is like, okay, here's the video of the ping pong balls coming out. And people are like, yeah, you edited it. I honestly don't know what people need to see to believe. Like, can you reverse engineer it?

Yeah, of course. But if, let's say the Spurs would have won the lottery. You don't think people would have said, oh, it's rigged. They want to take care of Greg Popovich as he transitions to his role as president of basketball operations, and they need Victor Wenbanyama to be good. So, like, Philadelphia, big market, Chicago, big market. You can always attach a conspiracy to the back end. of an outlier event, and 1.8% is an outlier event.

But it's not impossible. It's 1.8%. So, of course, it's not rigged. It's objectively ridiculous. It is a little upsetting. Like, I will say that Nico Harrison didn't deserve it. Like, Mavs fans deserve it. But the thing that I, more so than it was rigged talk,

I thought the most objectionable thing was like, Nico Harrison gets the last laugh. why because ping balls bounced his way like to me that was actually a worse take than it was rigged great stuff danny parkins uh from chicago now in new york fs one great seeing you buddy have a good weekend let's talk anytime colin thank you all right danny's really interesting i try to get him on the volume as much as i can good storyteller a lot of background history in chicago yeah it's uh it's i just you know it's i've said this before before Bill Parcells used to say, don't draft a celebrity quarterback, but you know, the world

changed. They're all celebrities now. I mean, Shador Sanders is going to be a celebrity. Now, what you do with that celebrity, Arch Manning's a celebrity, that's why he's been so understated. He won't talk. He's hiding because he knows he's already going to be viewed as a Manning and a celebrity. Shadour Sanders leaned into it, turned people off. Caleb leaned into it, turned some off, but he was so talented that he went number one. At worst, he was going to go to to Jaden Daniels. So, you know, I think Caleb Williams is the reality of what you're going to see going forward. You're going to get big star quarterbacks. They're going to get paid.

I just read a story this morning driving to work. I think Arch Manning is going to make $6 million this year at Texas. Like, that's the new reality. That's what they make. That's more than rookie quarterbacks are going to make in many instances, in most instances. Because about 12 to 13 quarterbacks get drafted a year, 11 of those 12 or 12 of those 13 are not going to make six million dollars. And I also think that benefits college football in the NFL that some of these quarterbacks that could come out may stay an extra year. You know, Andrew Luck could have come

out, stayed an extra year, Peyton Manning. The NIL to me, the, I don't know if it was an intended benefit or not. The benefit is stay in college another year as a college basketball or college football player and just get better coaching and be more mature when you come out in season. Hour two. Dave Roberts, Dodger, manager next. Hey guys, it's us the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called

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