The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Ohio State and Texas Advance, JJ McCarthy Drawing Trade Interest

Episode Date: January 2, 2025

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Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast. Here we go on a Thursday, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day one hour from now. Greg CoSell, if you play fantasy football, bet football, or just want to get smarter at football. Greg CoSell joins us in one hour from now. J. Mack, a deliriously fun day. for most people, maybe not the Oregon Ducks,

of watching college football yesterday, the smoke is starting to clear. It looks like Ohio State is coming through the fog. Imagine that. Yeah. We both liked Ohio State yesterday. We kind of felt like that was the play yesterday. Ryan Day keeping his job, huh?

Nice job by him? Yeah. Ryan Day's in line for a natty, potentially. So there's always been an understanding in the NFL that football real football starts. post- Thanksgiving, that you want to be peaking in December and January. You can experiment in September. It's not punitive if you lose a couple of games by early October. Meanwhile, college football with the younger athletes who have to go to school while they play, there's

been this unhealthy and unrealistic standard that you've got to be on your A-game and perfect, starting Labor Day weekend. Stumble in October, you are unworthy. You are unworthy. You are unworthy. Off to the Fiesta Bowl, off to the Citrus Bowl, off to the Pop-Tart Bowl. But now you're allowed to grow. And Ohio State is the first team in college football history allowed to grow. They had a close loss early at Otson. All right. They were awful at home and stumbled against Michigan late.

All right. But they did beat Penn State and blew out a lot of teams. So you know what? We're going to let them in. we're going to let them in and they've been the best team easily in the tournament Ryan Day, get him out of here. Oh wait, my bad, he had a bad Saturday.

Will Howard had a bad Saturday. Yeah, it was late in the season. That would have disqualified them my entire life. The Buckeyes this moment are easily the best team in college football. Why did it take so long? Well, I don't know. their best player, Jeremiah Smith, receiver.

He was in high school last year. Their second best player, Caleb Downs, he's a sophomore and a transfer. Also, yeah, their quarterback transferred too. It takes a while. Sometimes you've got to let the cake bake. By the way, Notre Dame lost to Northern Illinois earlier this year.

How is that possible? Because they had a transfer quarterback who now Riley Leonard's playing really, really well. In the NFL, you've always been given time. Tom Brayette. you won a Super Bowl? In week 10, 11, 12, that Tampa Bay team was terrible. They got hot then. Peyton Manning had a team in Denver. They were two and two in December and January, and they got hot and won. The Kansas City Chiefs, the last two years. I mean, last year, Kansas City lost

to the Raiders late in the year. Yet they were the best team in football. Yet we've always held college kids to this unbelievable standard of, what do you mean? You lost to Purdue, October 1st. You're out of here. Liberty ball or nothing. Give me Liberty Bowl or death. The point being is Ohio State's the first team in college football history that has been allowed to make a couple of mistakes. The Oregon loss.

Who's winning at Otson? How about we start with nobody? Yeah, they had a bad game against Michigan. Andy Reid's had bad games. In Philadelphia, they ran him out of town. He had bad games. Tom Brady had bad games. He had a pick-sticks in the Super Bowl.

So finally, finally, you can, take different pass to a natty, it's not perfection. By the way, how many 17 and no NFL teams are been? And if Penn State gets to the natty, they will have played 17 games and you're holding them to a perfect standard in a sport football where a guy jars the ball loose. If you fumble at the one out of the end zone, the other team gets the ball and it can ruin your season. Let kids make mistakes. When you were a freshman or sophomore in college, did you have it all buttoned up? first semester in September. College football is getting more and more like the NFL, and finally we're allowing a team

like Ohio State with this transfer portal where chemistry challenges, especially a quarterback or a real issue. Nobody knew what they were getting with Will Howard. I watched them at Kansas State. I was like, yeah, he's getting pretty good. And then I thought he was pretty good. And then against Michigan, he was pretty bad. And it's like, you know, he had a bad game because all quarterbacks do, including Tom Brady

and Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes stunk earlier this year. Now he doesn't. So you've got to let the cake bake. And Ohio State, Ryan Day is secure, has the best team, and here he is after dominating the ducks. I know that, you know, you're some of your experiences. And this team has had great wins this season.

It's had some tough losses. And, you know, we have learned from those. And you've got to grow and you've got to build and you've got to make sure you're focusing on your strengths and making sure that you understand what your weaknesses are. And we're in a place where you can hear a lot of noise, but they didn't do that. And I'm very, very proud of our staff.

I'm very, very proud of our players, but we're far from done. All those Buckeye fans are now erasing their posts on Buckeyes.com and Reddit boards. Get him out of here. No. Terrible loss. suffered some pain. What does pain create for all of us? Toughness and resiliency

and rethink the way your football team's operating. Ohio State, check, check, check, did all of those, and now they're the best team in college football. Okay, let's talk Texas. Texas football. There's a saying in Texas, all hat, no cattle. Sometimes Texas is all talent, no discipline.

How many penalties they had? I don't know. How many three and outs did they have? So, first of all, let's talk about Arizona State. Let's just give them a minute of love here. Outplayed, outschemed, out-coached Texas. Here's another out. An outrageously missed targeting call that would have probably given Arizona State, which had all the momentum the win. What a coach, Dillingham, three and nine last year, pick for 16th in the Big Ten this year. No five-star players should have beaten Texas. And yes, that's.

targeting in every game I've ever watched. I don't like the call. I don't like when they throw college players out of games, but that's targeting. Yes, Texas had the deeper roster, the more NFL bodies. And listen, they're a splash team. They average 10.7 yards of pass. That is Texas. But I think they're going to get rolled by Ohio State who's playing with a level of

defensive violence and offensive perfection that is just looks like a Sunday team. So, you know, Sark, and I like Sark. And I consider him a coaching friend, right? Like somebody in coaching, I could call and ask a question. They're saying all year has been all gas, no brakes. They need some brakes. They need to stop the car, pull over, go to a rest area, wash off and figure out what they are. Because that's not beating Ohio State.

Ten penalties, three in outs. Now, they are a splash team. And in fourth quarter to tie it up and then in overtime, a couple overtime passes. Like, that's what they are. That's what they are. But in between these amazing plays by these amazing Texas longhorn athletes, you can't have 10 penalties, you can't miss assignments. I mean, it looked like Arizona State really could not wait to play another game. They were so intense playing with such intention and urgency.

And sometimes I just feel like my entire life, this has been Texas football. I feel like they should be six-time national champs, not that one Vince Young team. and disappointment. I can't explain it. I thought Arizona State outplayed them. I thought they got hosed on a call. Yes, I do think Texas matches up with Ohio State better, more NFL bodies.

They're only a six-point underdog this morning. I'll take Ohio State. But I guess they were resilient. That's what Sark said after. The one thing that I know about our group is when our backs are against the wall and when our best is needed, our best shows up time and time again. And the resiliency that these guys showed today was something as a coach makes you really proud. Yeah, well, they didn't show up twice against Georgia.

And that targeting call gets called, which it should have been, and they don't beat Arizona State. So they're kind of an all-or-nothing team, right? Like the report card is A-plus and D. There's a – and I'm never quite sure. what I'm getting with Texas football. I've said this before. I love Texas football as a kid. I had never gone to Texas.

It was the uniforms, the hookum, the horns, the rust orange. I don't know what it was. They just had good players and they were in big games. And it was at a time when Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas were huge. And Nebraska and Oklahoma board me, and I was fascinated with Texas. I've always been pulling for them. When they beat USC, you know, my team for the national championship, I was like, well, if somebody had to beat this, it'd be okay if it's Texas.

But I watched that game and I'm like, all gas, no brakes, pump the brakes, pull over, rest area, figure it out, wash off. I can't ever get my arms around them. I know when they come out of the tunnel or in the hotel lobby, they have looked like the best team in college football 10 times in the last 20 years. But man, I can't get my arms around them. I feel like even Oregon and the loss, I know what they are. Penn State, I've figured out.

Notre Dame, I like them tonight. I kind of know what they are and what they're not. State get out of their way. Texas, they should change their helmet to a big question mark. Because I don't know what I'm getting. First half to second, first series to third, but congratulations on the win. And again, Dillingham, that program, I'll tell you what, they want a lot of fans because Dillingham grew up around Arizona State. Like, he always wanted to be the coach of Arizona State, so he's not going to be a guy that just jumps to another job. And Arizona State, if you live out west, has always been kind of one of those sleeping giants when

you're like, when's Arizona State going to roll the table? I mean, they got as much money as Oregon, right? I mean, they don't have a Phil Knight, but I don't know. I watched the Arizona State, and I'm like, boy, that was their turnout, their team, their effort, that running back, easy team to like. So congrats in Tempe to all those fans. You got yourself a rock start head coach. J. Mack, it was a fun day. There's a lot of stuff going on.

There's a really interesting, interesting story out there, Adam Schaefter put out. And you know how sometimes you and I, you know, we sit and watch, try to read the tea leaves. We kind of watch sports as it develops. And I've always said on this show, when you do a three-hour show like ours, you know, we can do journalism lifting. But mostly, you know, we have to have an opinion on a story if it breaks without having it fully connected. And so I, there's something that happened this year in the NFL with what we perceive as a great coach, Kevin, O'Connell. And when they made the move, I thought it was a little curious, but it wasn't a big

enough story to spend a lot of time on it. It is starting to make sense why they brought Daniel Jones to the Vikings. Oh, okay. It's starting to make a little sense. Generally, you don't bring another team's quarterback in who got pushed out the door on your roster when you have your two quarterbacks. Well, I got to say, I don't know what you're talking about with Shefter because one of my new year's resolutions.

Less social media. That's very difficult, but I have no idea what you after said. So I'm fascinated by this topic. You don't have to give up. I have a feeling. I know where you're going. Okay. You don't have to give up all social media.

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Okay, so this is a real story. People I trust. Adam Schaefter said teams are going to call the Vikings on J.J. McCarthy. Of course they are. He's talented, and it's a terrible quarterback draft, and seven teams need a quarterback. Diana Rusini reports the Vikings want Darnold back. Of course they do. He's got an argument to be MVP.

And Darnold doesn't even turn 28 until down the road. So it's like Darnel's in his prime for five years. So J.J. McCarthy, Michigan quarterback, was the one quarterback I wasn't sold on in this draft. I mean, he was 53rd in pass attempts his last year in college. In the same number of games, Michael Pennix was number one. I thought Pennix threw a better ball. Bo Nix was more experienced and more athletic. I thought Caleb and Jaden Daniels were better, and I thought Drake May had a higher ceiling.

He could work. He was kind of good in the preseason. What does that mean? Dak looked great in the preseason. Dak's talented. Dak's a starter. But has Dak ever had a year that looks like Darnold? Not to me.

And so this is something to remember. Why did the Minnesota Vikings in November bring in Daniel Jones? Why? Because maybe they were ahead of us. The Vikings don't have a second round pick, a third round pick, or a fourth round pick. It's a terrible quarterback class. Seattle, you think they're going to go back with Gino Smith again? They can get J.J. McCarthy for a second and a fourth, maybe a second, fourth, and fifth. Vikings get their draft picks.

Their franchise tagging at minimum, Sam Darnold. Kevin O'Connell liked Sam Darnold before he was a Viking. Kyle Shanahan liked Darnold before he was a Niner. Now he's putting up an MVP season. They've made a decision. We like Donald. We're not letting him go. Why did they bring in Daniel Jones?

Because they wanted to get him into the system ready to play for a playoff game. And my take, they'll rehab Daniel Jones like they rehabbed Sam Darnold. And I think J.J. McCarthy is good enough in a weak quarterback

draft class to fetch you multiple picks, which if you're in the NFC North, stacked Green Bay roster, stacked Detroit roster, Chicago's going to get their act together. You need draft picks. If you're paying Sam Darnold Big Boy money, you need draft picks. Vikings don't have any. They got a first and a couple of fists. They don't have any draft picks.

Seattle's drafting 18th. They need a quarterback because they got a Super Bowl roster. I totally get Seattle saying, we're going to have to start paying some of these stars we have. roll it with J.J. McCarthy. If I ran Seattle, John Snyder, I'd make the deal tomorrow. I'd make the deal tomorrow. Reset the clock. J.J. McCarthy, don't have to pay him for four years. With this Seattle talented roster, where in about a year, you're going to have to start paying people big boy money. Vikings don't have any picks. So this stuff is starting to add up. I got nothing against J.J.

McCarthy, but you can't let Sam Darnold walk out of the room. And Daniel Jones, as a backup, a big, strong athletic backup would be arguably the best backup quarterback in the league. And he's already shown, remember, McCarthy's already had two surgeries. He's never played an NFL game. Donald's an MVP level player and Daniel Jones won a playoff game against those Vikings. So my take is, J.J. McCarthy, I think deep down they are strongly considering moving him. That is my take. I don't think it's a wild take. The Vikings cannot pay Donald a fortune and have no draft picks.

You cannot in a division with the stacked lions and stack packers go, yeah, we've got a first. first round picking some fives. That roster is already, arguably, the third or fourth best roster in that division. You need draft picks. You need a second, a third, and a fourth. And I think J.J. McCarthy, in a weak draft, I think Minnesota has leverage.

They don't have to get rid of him. And it's not like they don't like him. You can like people and trade them. But the dilemma is a great dilemma to have. We had no idea. Sam Darnel was the third best quarterback in the league. That's a great. It's like when people complain about taxes,

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This is the Heard Line News. Not crazy. What's that? That's not crazy. I'm just not going to address your, unless you want me to. I'm just saying, I think it's absolutely under consideration. What's the market for a guy coming off two knees or whatever? Well, it was a first round pick and it's a terrible draft.

And so my take is the market is at least a second and a four. Again, if it was a stacked quarterback draft, it'd be different. Also, Minnesota has leverage. They can keep him. Good luck, Seattle. Congratulations. We're better than you now. You go back and run back Gino Smith again.

Seattle has a really good roster and can't get the quarterback right. Are they going to sit there? They're not. I mean, they could have moved up. last year to get panics. They're not going to move up for Sodor Sanders. What do you think Seattle thought of Jalen Milrow in the bowl game? Did you see the highlights or should I say low lights? You could argue there's an argument that J.J. McCarthy in this draft, if he was available,

would he be the second, third player taken? That's a good one. This is a last year, great. Next year's supposed to be great with Drew Aller being the Penn State guy, being the number one pin. He looked pretty good against Boise. Now it's against Boise. Need a big strong dude with a big arm. Yeah, that arm. Oof, that was good.

All right, let's get started with Sunday night football, the big one. To cap week 18, Vikings Lions at stake. No big deal. Just the number one seed in the NFC, a by division title. Dan Campbell made an interesting comment about the matchup, Colin. We're all excited. This is exciting, but it's not like it's the playoffs, you know? We all know what the prize is, and that's a Super Bowl.

You try to set yourself up the best you can, and that's why you put those goals out there. It's not like it's the playoffs. This is a playoff game. If you win Vikings or Lions, number one seed by all that trappings. If you lose, you go on the road in the first round and face Tampa. Tampa beat Detroit in Detroit earlier this year. Yeah, but I will say the one thing offensively that travels is a dominant O-line run game. with all the new technology and the helmets and the way teams travel now,

the road's about a point and a point and a half. It's not three and a half to four. So you're about a point deficit going on the road. You lost, you have that as motivation, and that offensive line, two things travel in the NFL, a great defense and a dominant run game. Passing games don't travel well. It's based on weather. Where do you play?

Is it windy? But that dominant Detroit run, O-line, and now Montgomery's coming back? Well, maybe coming back. I love your optimist. Well, I mean, that's what the announcer said, and that's the internet saying. You know, it's always right.

Lions minus two and a half. Short week, I mean, they played a, you could say a tough one in San Francisco across the country on Monday night. I don't think, I'm a little surprised the lions are favored here, Colin. I kind of like the Vikings in this game. What about you?

I think the Lions have the better roster. I mean, seriously, I think they have a better roster and I think they're getting slightly healthier every week. I mean, they said Montgomery may play in this game. Listen, Minnesota is... Why don't you win this game? Give them an extra week, then use Montgomery in a couple weeks. I saw guys coming back from a broken arm on defense.

They're getting healthier. They're getting healthier. I just have Vikings team right now. Brian Flores, that defense? Yeah, but golf's been in the league a while. Brian Flores is upending a lot of inexperienced quarterbacks. Goss been in this league a long time. He's going to be less vulnerable to a great defensive coordinator than a younger quarterback.

I mean, it's hard to bet against Detroit. You watch them at San Francisco and just take that second. They're a covering machine. I mean, they just, that's what they do. And they're creative too. Next up is the Cincinnati Bengals still technically alive in the playoff race. They need a win Saturday and then some help. Broncos and Dolphins losses.

So this is likely Cincinnati's final game with the core of Burrow, Jason Higgins, with Higgins expected to hit free agency this offseason unless a long-term deal is reached. Joe Burrow is putting pressure on the front office to sign T. Higgins, here he is. Whenever a great player leaves, you wish you could have found a way to keep them, you don't want to make a lot of. living out of letting great players leave the building.

And, you know, I think that's why you got to do everything you can to get those deals done early. Yep. I like this. Now, Joe Burrow has been grumpy on the sidelines, is being actionable, is not being passive aggressive. This is what I like about him. He's telling you right now, you probably can't make a living letting great players go.

You're not paying for anybody else outside of Burrow. You can't pay for two receivers? I mean, to me, Burrow is giving you the very clear signs of an unhappy and productive employee. I just worry, do you become the Miami Dolphins if you keep... Well, Burrough is about three levels above two. Right, but the point is that the dolphins don't have a lot of other talent. The offensive line is crap. The defense is spotty.

Like, the Bengals have a lot of holes. Obviously, T. Higgins is erases a lot of those, but can you win a shootout? every single week in this league? Because you're going to have to do. They can't give the money to T. Higgins and then buy a defense, can they? It's a funny. Everybody on the Philadelphia Eagles got the bag, the entire roster. They made it work.

The quarterback got it. Sequin's going to get it. The right tackle got it. A.J. Brown got it. They're paying like 11 guys on that roster. They made a safety move last year, Kevin Baird. He got it. The only guys are not paying with a rookie corners.

Everybody's getting paid in Philadelphia. They've nailed the draft as well as anybody. Well, that's what you have to do in Cincinnati. You can pay T. Higgins. You've got to get four starters on defense in the draft, which, by the way, if you're a good GM, you can. But Philadelphia is paying everybody. San Francisco for years was paying Kittle, Trent Williams, Bosa, Fred Warner. They were paying everybody.

Oh, they got a free safety in Hufunga. They were paying everybody else. They had to pay Christian McCaffrey. So it's like this idea that you can't pay two receivers. I would ideally not want to. But they're paying DJ Moore and Keenan Allen in Chicago. I mean, now, they're a bad team, but you can make it happen. And, you know, they moved off Joe Mixed in the running back and then filled his spot with Chase Brown.

If you look at the numbers, Chase Brown's been. There's not been a huge drop-off. No, he's a good player. Maybe even an upgrade with his quickness out of the back field. Yeah. And this is a great running back draft. There's two or three areas in this O-line, excellent tackle draft. Nail that.

Get another running back. It's a great running back draft. It's a pretty good corner draft. one of those. This idea that you can't, Niners over the last decade in the Philadelphia Eagles now, look how many people they're paying. So don't tell me you can't pay two great proven players. You can do it, but you'll have to move some pieces like by paying Mahomes, Chris Jones, and Travis Kelsey, most people don't pay their tight end as much as Kansas City does. By doing that, you have to nail corners. And then they had to give one away, Sneed. The chief said, hey,

we got to let him go. But they drafted so well. They had McDuffie, so they had a number one corner. You got to hit on draft picks. And that's tough. The draft is a bit of a crapshoot. Final story is the Chicago Bears. This is, holy cow, this is explosive. Okay. So everybody knows that the Bears want

Lions OC, Ben Johnson, and he's a top candidate. A recent report indicates although Johnson wants the job, he would likely push out GM Ryan Poles and wants to work with Commander's assistant

GM Lance Newmark. Because of this, polls, allegedly, is set to have reservations about Ben Johnson and has Vikings D.C. Brian Flores as his top candidate. Holy cow. So once again, the Chicago Bears coaching search is getting very political. That whole city's political. The politics is political and the sports is political. So basically, Ryan Poles is like, yeah, I want to take care of me. Maybe not draft a punter last year with four draft picks. So to me, I like Brian Flores. If you end up with Brian Flores, it's not the worst hire.

I think he's unbelievable. As a defensive coordinator, as a head coach in Miami, I will defend him. I will defend Brian Flores. In Miami? Absolutely. So he goes to Miami. They're a mess.

First eight games, remember like Baltimore beat him by 50. Yeah, that was... By week eight, they had arguably a top three defense and a top two special teams unit. In eight weeks, I mean, he was a life preserver. What about this? Okay, he didn't like Tua. Well, would you rather not or pay Tua today? By the way, Mike McDaniel Heaps praise on Tua.

Haven't we now had a defined realization of what Tua is? Ooh, it's a little chilly loss. Well, wait, wait, whoa. You think your guy, Caleb Williams, it could be excited about head coach who's coming in and the last quarterback he had a major, major beef? This is a great argument. If you think Caleb and Tua are the same athlete...

No, no, not same athlete. Secondly, everybody knows one of the reasons this job is attracted as Caleb Williams. That's one of the reason. You got a talented guy that you got to fix. He's bottomed out. You got a fix.

You got four years and not paying him. So Caleb's not Tua. Tua was always like, ooh, concussions, injuries. And Brian Flores, say what you want, has acknowledged he was too rough on Tua. Yes. But he may not have been wrong on everything either.

But let's not go overboard. Let me back up to this Ben Johnson thing. Colin, where do you stand on Ben Johnson wanting to take a job and also pick his GM. I totally get it. I totally get it. Interesting. I mean, I would not walk into a political hornets nest

at a network if I didn't have a couple of my guys. You always have to have your guys. You always do. If you're the head coach, you've got to have a GM you like. But here's the problem. He's never been a head coach. He's never won anything. And he's picking his GM already.

Well, but he has leverage. He's this, everybody loves him. And Chicago's desperate. So he's got leverage too. I mean, you're watching these Detroit games. he flexes every time he can. Oh, here's a quadruple reverse, backflip. It's like a gymnastics.

So he's flexing on these, we've been saying this, Detroit keeps flexing on these TV games. No doubt about it. He's saying, hello, does your coordinator do this? Because I do. I'm at the point where I'm watching Boise State against Penn State, and I'm like, you guys have been watching Ben Johnson. Where's the creativity?

I don't see anything from Boise. Last note on Ben Johnson, Colin. You had talked about Chicago as the best job like two weeks ago. I think we've I think it's a bad year for jobs. It's the best job. Well, is it sliding down pretty quickly? No, the political nonsense going,

I don't want to work with polls. Then there's the Kevin Warren aspect. Patriots or Bears, which is a better job. Should Patriots become open? Now, I will say this. If the Patriots was open, and I don't think it's going to be, and I'm not trying to get people fired,

I think the Patriots is the better job, if open. Here's one of the reasons. Jets in Miami are kind of dysfunctional. The NFC North, Packers, Lions, Vikings, look at the coaching. Just look at the coaching in that division. No, thanks.

So if I could avoid going and coaching in the NFC North and I could coach in a division that has Buffalo, but some dysfunction, and I get Drake May, and I've got cap space, and they've bottomed out, that's a very attractive job. If I can get some certainty on my staff.

That NFC North is just so stacked. And it's not going anywhere. It's not like these teams are older at the end of a run. It's like in college football. It's like in college football, say, oh, I got a job in the SEC. Well, you're not beating Georgia. And you generally don't beat Alabama. There's a burden coaching in the SEC, the intensity, and how good the schedule is.

J-MAC with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd-Ly News. Yeah, what's funny is that sometimes what hasn't happened yet is a great topic. I find the Bears fascinating. And these coaching openings, a lot of times there's coaching openings, and you're like, these are bad.

But if I get Caleb Williams and Drake May, and those are potentially two of the openings, now I've said before, I don't know if I'm running Gerard Mayo out. Patriot fans, Boston Media is just anti-Jarad Mayo. They got their quarterback. I mean, Mayo was highly touted. Belichick loved him. He's a smart, defensive guy. I think it's really hard to bail on a guy after a year. There's nothing there in the roster in New England.

There's just nothing there. And then Belichick, on the way out, let Jacoby Myers go to the Raiders. What do you do? He's your best receiver easily. What are you doing? So it felt like sabotage. What are you doing? So I don't know. I look at the current draft order right now in the NFL.

And you guys think I'm crazy. The J.J. McCarthy thing. Diana Rusini is reporting Minnesota's going to sign Donald. They like him. Shefter's saying teams are going to call about J.J. McCarthy. Stuff gets out when teams want it out.

You know that. We've been talking about that for years. Sometimes it's not the story. It's why is the story out? Two legitimate NFL reporters, Vikings like Donald, teams will call for McCarthy. And I'm just throwing it out. I think you'd have to be naive not to think.

The Daniel Jones move wasn't a little curious. Just a little. Just a little. All right, J-Mack, thoughts on Orican, Sequin, Barclay, Greg Cosell, top of the hour. Can't wait for him. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers.

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It's the first year of the college football playoff. Take a deep breath. The reason we were allowed to have it is because of concessions and bureaucrats and, you know, a 13-member committee who I don't trust making picks. So my complaint, my one complaint was Oregon got hosed. They're the only undefeated team in college football. And their reward? No home games in facing Ohio State first. Texas did not win their conference and lost twice to the same team.

And they got a home game. And so did Penn State. And so did Ohio State. And Oregon beat both. And Oregon didn't get a home game. And Boise State got a buy. Who are we kidding? Did you watch Boise State?

They have a really good running back. That's about it. So listen, I'm not going to overreact to Oregon getting hosed, but clearly, like anything else, like any business, the first year you make tweaks. I don't care if you're talking about Amazon and Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk and Tesla. There are tweaks.

So the first tweak is no non-power-for conference team ever gets a buy, ever or ever gets a home game. I don't care that you beat people 70-0 in front of 30-0. in front of 32,000 people. Boise State has a right to be invited to the party if they go undefeated. You're not getting VIP treatment, period. And the pandering college football media

always tells you what a great story they are. Watch the games. They don't have the athletes. I mean, that thing went sideways fast. And I think Boise State has a right to get in or any team like a UNLV. You're not getting home games and you're not getting special treatment.

You're invited to the party. you don't get behind the velvet rope. The second thing I would do is re-seed after the first round, like the NFL does. If you're Oregon and you have the best season, you get an easier matchup than Penn State who got SMU and Boise State. I mean, Texas lost twice. Texas didn't win their conference.

They lost to the same team twice, once with a backup quarterback, and their road was a home game, the 16th-ranked team, and the 12th-ranked team. Oregon's reward was. was, hey, here's Ohio State in a bad mood. In a stadium, by the way, Ohio State's program is incredibly familiar with because they do a lot of recruiting here, and they play in the Rose Bowl often. So here was Dan Lannning showing class after the loss.

We had an opportunity. We didn't take advantage of our opportunity. I'm not going to make excuses for our opportunity, right? And ultimately, you've got to be great teams to be in position at the end of the year, and we didn't do that. This is the road that we had to travel, and they did it better than us tonight. Okay. The other story, Major League Baseball has always been about its history and records.

You never have to even win a playoff series. Mike Trout, he'll get into the Hall of Fame. Football's about winning. Football's always been about winning to everybody, but maybe Aaron Rogers, who said the last two years in New York have been the best of his life. Mostly for players in football, it's about winning. So, say Juan Barclay, the head coach says, and we're not going to play to break the single season all-time rushing record.

And I'm okay with it. First of all, he leads the NFL and touches. He's earned a day off. Second of all, he hasn't had a lot of winning. Seventh year in the NFL, this is only a second winning season. He's also struggled with injuries. Also, Jalen hurts the quarterback is in concussion protocol. Also, the running backs are the last players in college or pro football

that you're allowed to hit anytime, anywhere. You have to protect running backs, sometimes from themselves. It should be duly noted that they're resting. The Eagles are several offensive linemen, and the running back positions always been somewhat dependent on the O line. So let me ask you, you really think the Eagles should risk arguably their best football player playing with a history of injuries to win a meaningless game to get a personal record. That's NBA stuff. That's baseball stuff.

That's not what football is. It's not about that. And so I have no problem with this at all. I love Sequin. But sometimes we found this out when they had that CTE lawsuit. Sometimes you have to protect players from themselves. Players in football, the code is you play hurt. You play if there's risk.

Sometimes you have to say, bro, you're not going to play. We're not putting you in this spot. If we have to hit a bonus for this, we'd pay it for the bonus. This guy has been injured. He leads the NFL in touches. On a team that's got many other offensive weapons, they still rely on him. The quarterback's in concussion protocol.

Here is Sequin on the decision to sit him. I mean, he asked me if I wanted to play, if I want to go for it. I said on Sunday, you know, I probably didn't care too much for it. When I slept on it, I was like, there was an opportunity to implant my, you know, my name in football history. may never get another opportunity like that again. So I'm down, but at the end of the day, I don't care for putting the team at risk.

He's the head coach for a reason. He makes a decisions, and whatever decision he wanted to make, I let him know if you want me a player. I'm going to go out there and make sure I get it. And if we don't, I'm okay with that too. Listen, one of the things I appreciate about the NFL is that players don't do load management. They actually do the opposite.

They play hurt. They sacrifice themselves. That's one of the things I think, is incredibly relatable about football, is that the player doesn't lead, you know, the tail doesn't wag the dog. It's like you got a GM, he does personnel, you have a coach, he makes these decisions, and then you have players. And even star players, you know, Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid runs the show.

I'm good with it. I mean, Belichick ran the show. Tom Brady did not in New England. And that's just part of the culture of football. And I also think increasingly the culture is with the running backs, the last player, when he burst through a line, it's the last player. You can go low. You can go high.

They're going to let you hit him. You've got to protect him. You have to protect him. Because I really believe this. This is a great running back draft in the NFL this year. It's going to be a lot of running backs drafted, 15 running backs drafted, is that running backs are having a little bit of a resurgence in the NFL. Everybody was lamenting about a year ago.

They'll never get paid, which was absolute nonsense. Guards have never been paid. tight ends have never been paid what they deserve. Safeties have never been paid. Running backs are always going to get paid because a great running back is a quarterback's best friend. And this league usually has about a third of their quarterbacks are like young. They need running back. Or they're not great pocket passers or running back adds a dimension to the offense.

So I love Sequin. I wouldn't play them. I think it's nonsense. It's not baseball. Don't worry about it. J. Mack, you know, it's kind of a, it's funny. The NFL extended to 17 games. and what happens is you have very few games in the final week that matter.

They're going to expand it to 18 games in the next two years. And as I was watching college football, I'm thinking, Penn State's going to play 17 games if they get to the natty. We have to be cognizant of this. Sometimes coaches have to step in, sit guys, play them less, use backups. And I think this is a prime example of I'm going to protect, say, Juan Barclay. Yeah. I like it.

I agree. I saw Arizona State ran 97 plays against Texas yesterday, by the way. As you show the graphic there, 510 yards of total offense. You see time of possession? I mean, I've never seen anything like that. I was like, how about Scatabot, the running back, Arizona State? Can the Jets draft him, please? He is.

Was he third round, second round? He's just a winner. He is some round. I don't want him on my team. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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