The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Packers, QB market, Simmons

Episode Date: March 10, 2022

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look we'll get to the lakers losing to the rockets last night we will we may have a baseball season during the show like it seems like they got really close and then Rob Manfred goes like do more series

so we're moving back opening day and it's you know the devil gets into the details I understand it but at some point go like, hey, fellas, we're kind of losing some checks here. Brock Hewards going to join us in 15 minutes. He of, among other things, quarterback and Seattle and Seahawks fame. We'll get his thoughts on the departure of Russell Wilson and the wake left behind

or the quarterback kind of vacuum left behind. There is still one gigantic quarterback potentially out there. We don't know about Deshaun. Watson. But to me, the story of Carson Wentz and what took place yesterday, where Wentz was dumped, you know, just a year into his tenure with the Colts, this after he was, he kind of gave up on it. It was a mutual, easy parting of the ways from the Eagles to the Colts. And, you know, congratulations to the Eagles to get that first round pick. But what's fascinating to me is the two very different ways of looking at the exact same guy. Some of it may be that we have expectations that are unrealistic for Carson Wentz once he got back with Frank Reich.

Right. If he gets back with Frank Reich, you know, well, then he's going to be back to MVP caliber Carson Wentz. And that didn't happen. And it was, the season ended poorly. But Washington's sitting there and he wasn't there first, he wasn't their second, he wasn't their third, he wasn't their fourth. Okay, but he gets to be a choice that falls into our lap and we didn't have to extend ourselves out that much. You know, we didn't. And you know what the Washington thing says to me? You know, oftentimes you talk, you know the difference between a fan and somebody really in the know when they talk about what's actually possible. you know, why did we go get Aaron Rogers?

Because, well, one, there is no chance in hell that if the Green Bay Packers were forced to trade Aaron Rogers, they're going to trade them to an NFC team, especially when they're going to play this season. And two, they didn't want to be the ones that traded Aaron Rogers. That's why they'll give him whatever he wants financially and give him some saying who his wide receivers are, and give him some saying who his quarterback coaches. Right? and they're not trading them to an NFC team. So what happens is fans have a tendency to just think,

why didn't you go get so-and-so? Because there's a lot more to it. That's actually our job. I think what's happened in sports media is we become big, hot topic, just trim the services to it. And that's great. And you can have a take on big things. But the substance behind it, the reality behind it,

why didn't they just trade for this guy? whether it's salary cap or whether both teams have to want to make a deal in order for it to work. And oh yeah, by the way, then in these particular instances, said quarterback has to even want to go there, plus team has to want to trade him to a team in his conference. So the first thing that jumps out to me is, yes, he was not Washington's first pick. He was not their second pick. He was probably not their third pick. And I don't think he was their fourth pick.

like just think of in realistic fashion Aaron Rogers was choice number one can't get him Russell Wilson choice number two can't get him with a Russ wanted to go there or didn't want to go there or they didn't want to trade him in division Deshawn Watson probably choice number three but when you're being sued for your front office being sued for sexual harassment

you can't go get Deshawn Watson again the reality of it he has not been charged with a crime but just the reality of the optics, you can't do it. So now you're left with Jimmy Garoppolo who's got shoulder surgery or Carson wins. And that's what they got there. So to the fans who will always say, why didn't you go get so-and-so and such, you know, it's like, I wouldn't try. Just have to be realistic about things.

And secondly, it goes back to what has limited the cults over the last half decade. And Chris Ballard has built a talented athletic defense. he found an absolute gem in a running back. The offensive line is not the best, but it is far from what it had been and what so many others are. When Andrew Luck walked out that door before the 2019 season,

this is what they were left with. This is what they were left with. And what happens when I mentioned Andrew Lick, oh, you're a hater because you said he's the most millennial thing ever. The proof is Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady, those guys, even Philip Rivers, you want to peel them off a football field. Philip Rivers isn't playing anymore because he's not good enough anymore, not because he doesn't want to.

Same thing with Drew Breeze. Tom Brady, a little bit of a different animal. That guy's Benjamin Button. But generally, quarterbacks are like Russell Wilson, where, oh, I'm out how long with a thumb? I'm going to come back two weeks early. Or Alex Smith, who is what happened to. to his leg was just gruesome, 17 surgeries, but he got back out there.

I'm telling you normal football culture is, hey, they're going to have to take, they got to carry me off my last football game, especially a quarterback where guys are rarely hit nearly as hard. But it's also out of complete respect for how good he was and what they had built around him. You know, you can take shots at Ballard and say, look, he's hit as many as some, he's missed, And their record, honestly, is almost parallel to that of the Chicago Bears in the Matanagia era. But when you thought you had Andrew Luck and instead you had Jacoba Brissette and then you had a washed up Phillip Rivers.

And then you had an image in football rehabbing Carson Wentz. And now you're TBD yet again. It may feel like a win for the Colts to just get him out the building to start all over. but another new face what wins is consistency yes I get it Stafford and Brady the past two years their new faces

they need to be consistent but they're not going to get Stafford they're not going to get Brady going back to the Washington football team who started by Watan Aaron Rogers turned to Russell Wilson then would love to have Deshawn Watson

figured it could win with Jimmy Garoppolo and settled on Carson Wentz. This is not the reality of it. It's not the reality. All right. Got a lot to get to. I'm actually in Indianapolis, aside of the big 10-term I'll call a couple of the games this evening. So we do have March Madness.

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I'm Doug Gottlie. This is The Herd. wherever you may be listening, however you may be. Taking in this show, thanks so much for making us part of your day. Tonight, the, I guess, much-awaited return of Ben Simmons to Philadelphia, where Eagles, Phillies, and Sixers fans will try and feast on the carcass that is Ben Simmons. Look, I thought actually can't. Kevin Durant had a really good takeout.

We'll get to that here upcoming shortly. Let me welcome in Brock Heard, of course, who he's synonymous with Pacific Northwest football, synonymous with not only commentary on college football, but the NFL and has covered the Seahawks for years. And he joins us in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Brock, what was your reaction immediately? Like when you saw Russell Wilson to the Broncos, what did you think? Well, I was on a walk. trying to get some fresh air, Doug.

And all of a sudden, my phone is blowing up, and I answer a call. And they said, hey, you know, can you jump on a station here in Denver? Can you jump on with the big news? And it's like, Aaron Rogers, you know, signing back in Green Bay is big news in Denver. I know you wanted them. He's like, no, you haven't heard it? And I said, heard what? So I was, yeah, I was pretty blown away because I just, you know,

we've obviously been talking about this, Doug, in Seattle for, I don't know, a good year ever since Russell last year really aired his grievances and talked about his challenges with the roster and getting hit too much and then even putting out four possible trade scenarios. So we knew the relationship was rocky, but I just never believed there was going to be enough of a haul nor a quarterback coming back at this stage of Pete Carroll's career at 70, 71 years of age, wanting, you know, another shot at a Super Bowl. But Pete and John John got the trust of Jody Allen, the owner. She went in their direction to rebuild this thing, and out the door goes, Russell Wilson.

I argued it's one of the biggest sports stories, if not the biggest sports story off the field in Seattle sports history, and I'll stand by that. More than the Seahawks. It's more than the Supersonics leaving? Well, that was about a two-year runway, Doug, of villain after villain, lie, after lie, politics, Clay Bennett. there were so many characters involved in that, and ultimately that ripped your heart out when they left. When Don James stepped down unexpectedly, that stung. When Ken Griffey Jr. got traded to Cincinnati,

back to his hometown team, that certainly hurt. But as far as a franchise quarterback, the guy that has been at the center of the community, has raised tens of millions of dollars, still has three to four to five years of his prime left, and brought you the world championship in nearly a second, And, golly, I mean, as far as what he did in that community, Doug, I would argue off the field. It was the biggest story in Seattle sports history.

Okay. What do you think of what they got in return? I thought it was a little short. I think most Seahawks did as well. You gave up two first-round picks for Jamal Adams, who's been an underperforming safety for you. And basically, you get back those two first-round picks you traded for Jamal, plus a second and a third and the second the following year. some starters, not to diminish fans and Shelby Harris

and Drew Locke, those guys have been starters, and two of them, I think, still have some upside. But, yeah, I think most Seahawk fans felt like that was short of expectations. And I think frankly, it had to do with the fact that Russell had a no trade clause. And he said

no to Philly. He said no to Washington by all accounts. I think those were heftier returns. He wanted to be with Nathaniel Hackett. He wanted to be with an offensive-minded head coach. He wanted to be on a roster that plugging the quarterback is playoff contending right away. And I think by limiting those options, Doug, it limited some of the return back to Seattle. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd on Fox Sports radio.

You know, the interesting part is Russell going to Denver, a spot that was tailor-made for Aaron Rogers. I just, I mean, I know a little bit about what drives Aaron Rogers. He is not a huge fan of Russell Wilson. And that would be, that would be amazing. Right. If Denver has success in Green Bay does it, oh my God, he's going to be so pissed. Well, let's also consider the timing, Doug. I don't think that was coincidental that hours after the biggest news story in the NFL to date this off season with Aaron Rogers going back to Green Bay.

And what did Russell and his people decide to do while on the plane flying to Denver? Hey, you know what? Let's break this story. Before, right, physicals could be done. before it could really be formally announced by either of the teams that had to wait for the league year to begin. But I think that there's a little rivalry between those two. And my belief, pure speculation, of course, is that while on his jet to Denver, the news of Aaron Rogers breaks. And I think Russell and his camp said, you know what, I think we can one up that today.

So let's break that news with Mr. Schefter right about now. Yes. And they did just that. A little hold my beer from St. Russ. Brock, you are our guest in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,

what if I told you the plan in Seattle is to execute the same plan they executed a long time ago, right? Find a quarterback who, and we remember his first couple years, he was just handing the football off and very conservative offensively. And then occasionally late in the game, you know, he'd win it for you. But they won it with defense. and they won it because they didn't spend on the quarterback,

and they spent everywhere else. They obviously drafted very well, not just in the first round, but out of the first round. But what if the plan in Seattle is like, hey, look, the Niners have never loved Garoppolo, and they nearly went to the Super Bowl again. There's no reason we can't find a guy who makes less money, and we just build a team,

because we've got to rebuild a team around him. Well, I'm going to guess, and again speculate, Doug, with some insight that that was exactly the message to Jody Allen when the season ended. If you remember, we were all waiting for the white smoke to puff out of the building there in Seattle after the interviews with Jody Allen, the owner, and Pete and John, and what was going to be the direction moving forward. And ultimately, I am sure that is the plan that was sold. Hey, listen, we did this before. I know it was a decade ago, but we did this before. We built a team. We built it in the image

of defense and physicality. We've got Jordan Brooks. We've got Daryl Taylor. We've got Marquise Blair. We've got some young, hungry players, and I'm not going to compare yet to Bobby and Richard Sherman and Kim Chancellor, but as far as just physical traits and splash plays, they made a bunch of them as young players. And now you got the number nine pick. That could be a generational pass rusher, a starting tackle, maybe even a Richard Sherman at corner. So that was the direction that was certainly sold to ownership. And I think when Jody Allen and her team had a decision to make of, okay, do we want to redo, you know, rebuild this and retool this and do it in that image, Doug, as you said, that these two did 12 years ago, or do we want to build it

around the franchise quarterback who will be 34 this year who are going to have to pay, the market value now is $50 million a year, do we want to go that direction? And I think ultimately ownership and the people around Jody Allen said, okay, in Pete and John, we will trust, and you better go draft and draft a little bit better than you have the last five to seven years. How difficult is it going to be for Carson Wenz, seeing as, look, if Frank Wright gives up on you? Yeah. I don't know.

Yes. And look, here's my thoughts on Washington. When they had Alex Smith, they were in first place, right? And ever since he got hurt, it's just been quarterback after quarterback after quarterback getting hurt. Or, you know, I love the Taylor Hineke's story, but there's just a ceiling there. So, I mean, part of me says he doesn't have to be. be MVP caliber Carson Wins, but again, when Frank Wright gives up on you, it's hard to see that. It is.

I guess if you're Carson Wentz and his team and family and age and others, you probably say, I don't know if it was Frank Wright that gave up on me because I'm going to guess that was a Mr. Ursaid decision, that that was above Frank Reich, more than likely even above Chris Ballard, that the owner was involved. And you listen to Frank there at the Combine. It was really clear that those three were going to get their heads to get. But ultimately, Jim Mersey was going to make that decision. And when you've been used to Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning for Mr. Orsay for a couple decades,

Carson went inconsistency and, you know, his failures at the end of the year were just not palatable. And certainly in the final year of his contract, not one where they were going to extend him long term. So, yeah, you go, you know, from Philly, some of the most tough, brutal fans there are to an indie, to the Midwest with Frank Reich and all of that positivity. Now you go right back into a media market in Washington, a fan base that will not be easy on him. And this just certainly feels like make or break time in his career if he's truly going to be a franchise quarterback. Yeah, and back in that, and that division is not great. And if they're healthy, we saw him when Chase Young is healthy, that's as good at defensive front as there is in football.

So, again, doesn't have to be superhuman, just has to be solid. and maybe it's more about leadership than it is actually about his play on the time. Yeah, and just a consistency, Doug. I mean, that is the hardest thing for these young guys. And that is why I think we've seen so much turn, you know, through these years. Even Carson Wentzen, Jared Gough, that got their pick contracts, right? That were first round picks that got the big deal from the team that drafted them. But, man, fighting this game from the neck up.

And I know that firsthand. It decimated me. It was one of the hardest challenges. And you look at a lot of these young quarterbacks. not the physical traits. He's got size. He's got talent. He's done it before at a very high level,

but just consistently doing it and emotionally and mentally. And then ultimately, as you said, leading a locker room that believes in that consistency of your leadership, that certainly has been Carson's challenges. It is many young quarterbacks challenge over the last decade. Yeah, no, it's a great point, you know. And now you're carrying the reputation of the being in different spots of locker rooms, at least partially divided,

in your past. Is there, is, Sam Donald's got to be the next guy to be moved, right? Like the only, if there's no clarity on Deshawn Watson, Sam Donald's got to be the next guy, doesn't he? I think so. And again, I probably put him right in that camp, just shoulder, right? And he's not had the moments of Carson down.

Carson has had stretches where he carried that team and carried them to the playoffs and everything else. Sam is unfortunately, you know, if he had said, seen a lot of ghosts, I think he's heard a lot and felt the weight of expectations in New York that crippled him. You go to Carolina. You start hot.

You get beat up. You fall again. And, man, it is just a, it is a difficult, difficult journey for a young quarterback. And those that get calloused, right? Those that just get hardened. Those whose skin get thickened, you know, have at times rebounded and bounce back. But there's been many, many stories, more stories of those that just get burned and just physically and mentally and emotionally.

He just can't do it, can't put it together and can't go leave. But yeah, I think he would be next, Marcus Mariotta. I think is a very intriguing prospect. I think you'll hear his name in a bunch of different markets. I know Mitch Trubisky is a name that has been very popular. That's one that I would question, and I certainly would not give significant, significant money to. But there are those young QBs that do have those scars

and that have been burned in this league that will get another opportunity. Garoppolo, obviously, they'd like to move him, but he's got the shoulder surgery. I mean, you know, anytime you have a shoulder surgery, the guy's going to come out of the he'll be back, he'll be back to normal. But how do you know? I mean, he's already had, he's already had major, all these different injuries, some small, some major like the knee a couple years ago. Now he's got a shoulder issue like this?

We're getting to the Cam Newton level beaten up body. You are, and you're getting to the most of the most of the. important ability at this stage. I mean, I think he from the neck up is pretty good, Doug. I think he's pretty hard and he's pretty mentally tough, but he's just got a body that just time and time and time again has just proved unreliable. And that greatest ability is reliability, right? It's durability. It's what the grades do. It's what, you know, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and those just did remarkably well for decade after decade. And unfortunately for Jimmy just at every turn, Every single season, he has just had a hiccup along the way, and ultimately, Kyle and crew drafted there in his replacement at number three for a reason.

But he too. Teddy Bridgewater, you probably put in that camp, again, not quite the ceiling of a Jimmy Garapolo or a past resume. But there will be ample options, you know, once these dominoes start falling, and now they have fallen. Now Aaron has found his home. Russell has found his home that Sean Watson News will come out today as far as the grand jury and the criminal and the civil, you know, moving forward with that, I think the rest of the league's waiting for that domino to fall, and then you will see a handful of these names, at least in spring, provide some hope around the draft and around OTA and the training camp. There will be some hope. There will be some nice stories written

about a bunch of these guys. Ultimately, some will hit, but the majority, unfortunately, will fail and will leave organizations searching and clamoring to fill that most important void. Well, you mentioned to Sean. You mentioned to Sean. And I would, I would tend to believe that because of the stories and the lawsuit and allegations against front office people of the past with the commanders, that they couldn't touch them anyway, right? There's just no way. No, that was not going to happen there. What about a city like Seattle? Would they be?

Again, again, and this is under the assumption, we have no idea that there wouldn't be criminal charges, right? If there's criminal charges, you can't, nobody can do anything. but there's no criminal charges in a city like Seattle can how would how would Jody Allen react to that that'd be a hard one that'd be that would be in a progressive city with a progressive owner I think that it is made a stand and said things publicly of where she stands in that case of domestic abuse and sexual assault and everything else and even with the the sea gals

changing their uniforms and everything I'd have a hard time believing that the Seahawks be the one that pulled the trigger. You hear reports about it, certainly hearing people in the media say, you know, they're loading up and they're doing their research and they will. And I'll say this, Doug, I mean, you know, my buddy Mike Salk and, you know, Mike Well, he said all the time, like, you never really know these guys. Be very careful, fans. You never really know on either side of the aisle, you know, what kind of guy they are. And he's one that fooled me, you know. If you would have said to me, I mean, I probably, Doug, in my college and doing this,

the NFL, probably called 15 of his games, at least a dozen over his career, been around him, spent a day with him and doing media work, you know, talk to coaches and trainers and sports information directors and students and, man, was he loved by everybody at every turn all around him? And when that story broke over a year ago, gosh, that was just disheartening, it was sickening and I would have not ever pegged him as the one to be in this situation and in the turmoil that he put himself in. No, I know he had a ton of positive equity, but even cashing it all in, I just, there's certain places where that's a, that's a no-go.

And it's going to be fascinating to see, regardless of, you know, regardless of proof of guilt, right? There's no proof of guilt. It's just the volume of stories and it's enough to cause, to cause pause. Brock, great stuff as always. Hope you're well, and thank you so much for joining us in The Hurt. You got it, Doug. Always a blast, man. All right, let's get you to Ryan Music with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Hirdline News. Hello, Ryan. We have a microphone issue. We have a microphone issue. We have a microphone issue. Hey, thanks, Doug.

Let me get to the news here. Hey, Doug, how are you? I'm good. You know, sometimes you've got to use the on switch, the off switch. There's other knobs and other controls that lead to whether or not your mic works. And, hey, sometimes it takes a minute or two. It does. What do you get?

I'm glad you were there to fill time for a second. Well, you and Brock spent a lot of time there talking about the different quarterback moves that could or could not be on the market. And right now we're keeping an eye on the Colts and what they're going to do, not that they've moved on with Carson Wentz. someone who you did talk about is someone who's been reported about by Ian Rappaport. The Colts are looking at Jimmy Garoppolo. I'll say this, Doug. If I'm Indianapolis, I think Jimmy G is probably your best option. Now, obviously, I know the shoulder surgery situation is not ideal,

considering you won't be able to get much information on how he's doing until about the stroke of midnight before the season's starting. but when you look at Jimmy G what he's done basically in San Francisco Indianapolis has a good offensive line they have a great running game obviously I don't think Michael Pittman is quite on the same level as a Debo Samuel but good enough

and a good defense I think that's about the best they can do at this point in time I mean I think it's him or Sam Donald you know right and Sam Donald's been hurt a lot as well but hasn't his peak hasn't been as at the peak of Jimmy Garoppolo. So those are your two guys you're left with, you know, in terms of possibility of making a move to get them. You know, Trubisky would be the other guy.

The reason that Trubisky is valuable in New York is because he was with Dayball in Buffalo and the knowledge of the system. But, yeah, that's about as good as you can get. Yeah, and I will say. One of the you count on his Jimmy G. is going to throw at least two balls that could be just picked, right? and that he's going to get hurt.

It's going to come at a very inopportune time as well. Don't forget that stipulation about Jimmy G. I mean, look, Stafford threw one in that. Yeah, that was dropped by... In the NFC championship game, right? Yeah. I mean, it was an arm punt. Yeah.

So they all do it. It's just the percentage of times in which Jimmy G does it is like twice a game. Yeah, and I will say this about Jimmy G. And I know in our time working together over the years, this is a big thing for you. Based off of the reports that we've heard about Carson Wentz, this had a lot to do with things beyond just football, X's and O's, execution, playing well, not playing well, and a lot to do with who they thought Carson Wentz was as a leader in the locker room. One thing, considering all his flaws, that almost everyone can agree upon with Jimmy G.

Yeah, teammates have always liked him. No, no, no. I mean, that's where, you know, Colin was, I think Colin was even off with about the dating habits thing. just because it doesn't matter what you and I think of who he dates. Only that matters is what those guys in the locker room think. Those 52 other dudes, 45 other dudes on game day, those are the guys that matter. And as you pointed out, and you're right, those guys like Jimmy G. Jimmy G's got a little swag to them. Absolutely.

Well, Doug, we know that Aaron Rogers is going to return to the Green Bay Packers. Sure. Now that leaves one question about teams that are keeping their eye on the question. quarterback market. What are we supposed to do with Jordan Love? Former NFL quarterback and now analyst Dan Orlovsky pointed out that three years ago, Green Bay went up in the draft to 26 to take Jordan Love. Teams that they went ahead of were the Seattle Seahawks, the Tennessee Titans, Minnesota Vikings, Indianapolis Colts, and Detroit Lions. What do you do with Jordan Love if you're the Green Bay Packers at this point? I keep him.

I keep him. Aaron Rogers is still 37, 38 years old, right? Jordan Love costs me like nothing. That's a sunk cost. It's a sunk cost. Keep him. At the end of this coming year, you've got to make a decision, right? And at some point, because you're not going to pick up the fifth year option unless, you know, somehow, God forbid, Aaron Rogers gets hurt.

But no, why would you move him? Yeah, I mean. You're going to get pennies. If somebody wants to give me a second round pick, you can have him. But otherwise. I don't get any teams. doing that. I mean, fair or not fair? I don't think any team's doing that based off of

the stuff that we have seen from Jordan Love hasn't necessarily been promising either. I don't think they are either. But what I'm saying is he's making like a million dollars next year, which a lot to you and me, but for an NFL quarterback, Aaron Rogers still has

what if he gets hurt? You have a guy who's been in the system for now it would be his third year. Why would you just give it away? It still has an asset that you may in fact, neat. Totally. And I know you've been on this for a while going to back when this trade happened. Let's not forget, Aaron Rogers, not necessarily made out of steel himself. Worst case scenario for Jordan Love, it's an expensive insurance policy that you never have to use. But, for example, take a look at the Indianapolis Colts right now. Would you rather be

in their situation? Would you rather be where, I don't know, even the Pittsburgh Steelers? Honestly, the Pittsburgh Steelers are the mirror, right? Like Mason Rudolph, you know, to this point, have you said Mason Rudolph is absolutely the guy? No, but you know what? He's been in that system, even now the second year with this new system, and that gives you the greater possibility of whether it's success or just keeping your head above water until you find that next quarterback. You keep kind of reaching for guys and going outside what you got. I mean, look, you thought enough of Jordan Love to move up and take him late in the first round. You know, he was going to be your guy if Aaron left.

It's obviously going to be a drop-off, but why would you just give away a guy who you still may have a use for? What, for some Scott Tolzeen or somebody just sit there as a constant backup? No, thanks. We'll wrap it up with this, Doug, right in your wheelhouse, college basketball. In the first half of the Florida State Syracuse game of the ACC tournament, Buddy Beheim, fighting for. position down low, threw a punch into the stomach of Florida State's White Wilkes. You know, some controversy, obviously. It wasn't necessarily caught live in the moment, but Jim Beheim was asked about it after the game.

And here's what he had to say about his son. Buddy throwing a punch. Early in the first half, there appeared to be a play where Buddy caught a Florida State player in the midsection. I saw the play. The kid pushed him twice, and he swung around and hit him. I think it was inadvertent, but that's okay. No, I don't think he hit. He just swung around and his contact.

The kid pushed him twice. You can't just let people push you around. Now, Doug, regardless of being an analyst, knowing college basketball as well as you do, you are the son of a coach and now you are a father of a son who you regularly coach. Very difficult situation to be in, I'm sure. I mean, he did sound like every day. Like, he pushed him first. But I thought the last part was the good part, where Beehb's like, look, he can't be pushed around.

You're right. But you got to do it. You can't throw a punch. Right? Look, these things happen. And, you know, a guy chicken wingsy enough when he's setting a screen on you, you catch him in between the legs. And you know what? He doesn't do it anymore.

Or you catch a guy with an elbow when somebody's not looking. The problem is, it's hard to get away with now. He got caught. Now he's got to sit when they played Duke today. Dems the brakes. Like, we all know. the deal. You got to be more sly than that. It appeared to be

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Befell's too many letters for Wordle. I've not done my Wordle yet today. This is Kevin Durant talking about Ben Simmons, and if he planned to talk to Ben Simmons about what he's in for, in return to Philadelphia. There's going to be some, you know, some words that may trigger you as personally, but that's just how fans are. They want to get into our skin.

They want to let their voices be heard. Some people don't even enjoy basketball. They just like, you know, their lives are so, you know, they get to just aim it at other people, you know, so it's easy to kind of get that release at a basketball game. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I think that in basketball especially, fans think that they play a fact, and we do kind of we have an infatuation with the heckler, with the funny sign, right?

I mean, like, college game day has made a tradition out of focusing on the signs, and the signs have to be more and more clever. I mean, look, there's just a line, you know, if a mechanic would drop his wrench, then you're probably over the line. If you're probably over the line. Probably over the line. And Ben Simmons is going to show up and he's going to sit there. But I don't know how he got.

It's okay to boo. It's okay to make up some funny chance. For whatever reason, though, especially weekday games in the Northeast. Weeknight games in the Northeast. It is a different energy to that crowd. And then you factor in it's in Philadelphia, Philadelphia and New York, the Knicks, not not Brooklyn different vibe those two places especially there's a different energy there like you know go back to Trey young in the playoffs like there there's a line there the problem with

there's just a percentage they go over the line and it's gross no reason you can't come up with plenty of hilarious Ben Simmons chance I you can the we didn't want you you know something about the shooting. There's a million things you can do. Again, just the problem is they go overboard. It's like Guy 101, right? Where if you have a group of guys, there's always going to be a guy who wants to start something.

He wants to bump shoulders and with somebody else at a bar. I mean, it's like the hangover crew only you add a couple guys in there, and you always have somebody who wants to fight. You got somebody who wants to fight. You got somebody who's unlucky in love and somebody who's lucky in love and somebody who's lucky in love. You got a couple of normal dudes in the middle, you know, and a couple of guys that are hotheads.

Like, that's the way it all works. Unfortunately, in Philadelphia, there's not only a kind of tradition of being that way, and somehow it's like, it's viewed as, yeah, that's how we roll. We threw snowballs at Santa. Nothing's off limits. It's just, you, this to me is a lot like the Howard Stern show. Like, look, I listen to Stern. Listen to him now.

But I used to, I would think, I've always thought it was more clever, pushing the lines of what you could get away with instead of when there's just no rules. And you can just say whatever. If you could be clever up to a point, but once you get past that level, they can just be crass. It's the same thing with fans. It's the same thing.

What's I think more interesting is, you know, they go down and Kyrie drops a 50 burger can they win can they win some of these games against a difficult schedule when Ben Simmons ultimately gets back and where can they get in the playoffs

because look as much as as it didn't appear to work with James Hardin and Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving they were going to go to the NBA they were going to beat the Milwaukee Bucks

if not for Kyrie getting hurt Hardin wasn't even right was even healthy, they were going to beat the bucks. It wasn't a crazy competitive series until Kairi went down. So, yeah, I'm actually a little bit more of a buyer into the nets than others are. Look, do I think it's perfect marriage?

No. I think it's a better fit because Ben Simmons doesn't necessarily need the ball or doesn't need to take shots and can help you with those other things. I wish he would have played tonight, but it may be too soon in the process. And by process, I mean the process of building some confidence in taking shots. Like for me, for Ben Simmons to ever reach his heights, he doesn't have to be a great shooter, but he has to be willing to take him.

And that takes like a year of actually playing. Because you can take all the practice shots you want. But until you take them and you're willing to miss them in a game, until he gets to a coach who takes him out when he doesn't shoot shots that he darn well should shoot? Like, until he gets to that point, there's going to be no level of confidence in him. And you can't just all of a sudden have confidence in shooting when you've never had in the NBA in March or April of a potentially championship season. That one is a new one. I do believe, like as somebody who had completely lost confidence in a jump shot, you can get it back.

it just takes a long time, takes a lot of the right coaching, takes a complete belief of all your teammates around you. And he can get all those things. I just don't think he can get those things in this short order. All right, coming up next. Stop me if you heard this before. But the Lakers lost.

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