The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - People need to calm down

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

Colin urges the media to stop coddling Indiana Fever star Caitlin Clark after her hard foul incident involving Chennedy Carter of the Chicago Sky What do the Cowboys do with CeeDee Lamb? Colin looks at Dallas guard Kyrie Irving's time in Boston as something to forgetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They don't know how to cover Caitlin Clark or the WNBA, So I'm going to try to help. Help them out, please. I'll be the consultant on this. So the Chicago Tribune editorial board defended Caitlin Clark and said that hard foul on her, they likened it to an assault. If this wasn't sports, it would be an assault. No, it would be a flagrant foul, which the sport penalizes through free throws.

Oh, boy, guys. here's the ultimate respect that you can give Caitlin Clark treat her like a pro athlete because that's what she is with a $28 million shoe deal

she's tough and she's competitive so is Angel Reese stop pandering stop coddling stop protecting WNBA players are pro athletes we got a lot of pro leagues all over the world they're pro athletes

now I hear this pushback. Well, how come you guys didn't cover us before Caitlin Clark? Because you weren't that popular. I don't cover hockey because the average sports fan can't name three players. I don't cover regular season baseball much. I don't cover college basketball men's or women's much before March. I'm in the omelet business. I'm not in the egg business. You need to be made before I talk about you. It's not my job to make you popular. So I will push back on, you didn't talk. You didn't talk about you. I didn't talk much golf until Tiger Woods arrived. This league needed a catalyst. WNBA got better and better and better, and so did women's basketball. I've talked about this

for 15 years. It's the most improved sport in my lifetime. More young women, multiple generations are encouraged now to get into sports and basketball has taken off. The league just needed a catalyst and they got it. And now we talk about it. But the Let's stop treating these pro athletes more like the women part instead of the pro athlete part. Caitlin Clark is acknowledged she played with boys. She's rough. She can be intimidating. There's footage on the internet of her shoving college players to the floor.

There is also a racial component in this with her and Angel Reese and Kennedy Carter. That's undeniable. But she's become a screen that everybody is projecting what they want her to be instead of what she is. Tough as nails, great professional athlete. And let's not be pandering and cringy and weird. Just treat her like a pro basketball player.

She's got a $28 million shoe deal, four or five national endorsements. She's going to be fine. And I loved, I loved Kennedy Carter, you know, the one that assaulted her. I loved her pushback. on this entire situation.

At the end of the day, it's all love. Outside of basketball, when we're in those four lines, it's smoke. After, it's all love. I promise we're a genuine team. We're a genuine person. We're not, we didn't hit her like she was out on the street. It just happened. Like, it's over with.

I don't know why we're dragging it, but we continue to drag a plague that happened. And a whole fourth quarter happened after that. Multiple events happened after that, guys. So we just got to let that play go. these women are not fragile some of you men who are covering them are phil nights opening manifesto at nike he wrote 10 things when he started the company and number nine is my favorite it won't be pretty the w nba is exploding in popularity and it's going to be turbulent like a tech business

a media business whenever anything goes from semi-noticed to really popular? It's turbulent. You see it with individuals in the entertainment business. Now you're seeing it with a league. It's a little turbulent. It's a quickly ascending business. And they're never pretty.

And they're going through their ugly stage right here with the media. It doesn't know what to ask. And it's cringy. And it's assault. And they're defending it. But I love Angel Reese coming out. Her and Caitlin Clark go back to college. And she gets it.

she understands what I talked about yesterday she's willing to play the villain there are no great movies without conflict the more conflict the more villains the better the script the better the streaming movie and here's Angel Reese on this entire period

we're going through with the WNBA and Caitlin Clark it all started from the national championship game I've been dealing with this for two years now and understanding like Yeah, negative things have probably been said about me, but honestly, I'll take that because look where women's basketball is. People are talking about women's basketball, but you never would think that when we talk about women's basketball. People are pulling up to games. We got celebrities coming to games, sold out arenas, like, just because of one single game.

And just looking at that, like, I'll take that role. I'll take the bad guy role, and I'll continue to take that on and be that for my teammates. And if I want to be that, and I know I'll go down to history, I'll look back in 20 years and be like, yeah, the reason why we're watching women's basketball is not just because of one person. It's because of me too, and I want you to realize that. She's going to be the villain. She's going to be the Draymond Green. Now, Caitlin Clark, maybe she has the potential to be the star that's scoring all the points. But there's always somebody who makes movies and sports in a seven-game series and March madness more compelling.

I love the fact is this sport explodes, and nobody in the media quite knows how to have. handle it, mostly guys. We're not quite sure how to handle it. At WNBA, you got players saying, it's all love, we didn't do it in the streets. You got another one saying, I'll be the villain. Caitlin Clark said, yeah, it's no big deal. I get knocked out all the time.

I've pushed people. They're not fragile. We are. They're tough. They're defiant. They're going to be fine. Embrace them. Have a good time. They're pro athletes.

Caitlin Clark doesn't mind getting pushed down. She'll push right back. She'll get free throws. Angel Reese, I'll be the villain. Kennedy Carter. What are you guys talking about it still? We moved on. It's all love.

You understand what's happening here. These pro athletes get it. We're struggling to figure it out. Speaking of figured it out. Fear drives a lot of decisions. And people are afraid of different things. Public speaking. I don't even like that.

public speaking. This isn't public speaking. I'm talking to a camera. I don't like standing in front of people talking. People don't like to fly. And in business, and I think social media has increased this, people don't like to be humiliated. People don't like to take big swings and fail and get ridiculed on social media. Be one thing years ago, if you're a GM 25, 30 years ago, you make a move and you get ripped and maybe ESPN sports vendor and spends a segment on it. Now a million, two, million, three million people. Avalanche comes flying down the hill, making fun of you. But if you take the fear out, most of it doesn't really exist.

I talked about this last week. There's a study that 80 to 85% of things that create anxiety and fear in our minds never materialize. They never happen. So the cowboys have to pay CD Lamb. He hasn't shown up to camp. And yesterday I led the show with. the Justin Jefferson contract.

35 million a year. Well, he was drafted same year as C.D. Lamb. And C.D. Lamb, all his numbers look a lot like Justin Jefferson. Except C.D. plays for a bigger brand. CD never gets hurt.

CD's getting better every year. CDLAM and Justin Jefferson? I'm putting them on the screen. Radio listeners, I apologize. Same dude. One plays for a bigger brand. If you're going to sign Micah and you have to and you're going to sign CD Lamb and you should, you may have to walk away from DAC. And that scares people.

But the Vikings, pretty well-run franchise, just walked away from Kirk Cousins. The Seahawks walked away from Russell Wilson and made the playoffs. The Packers walked away from Aaron Rogers and made the playoffs too. We have more quarterbacks than ever coming out of college. The 2018 class gave us Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. and Baker Mayfield, even Sam Darnold starting again. The 2020 class didn't even have a bust. It went five for five.

Burrow, two, a Herbert, love, hurts, no busts. Add on to that, the quarterback coaching is better than ever. So you get players who missed initially or wobbled initially, like Gino, Smith, and Baker Mayfield, that become reclamation projects. You also have in the NFL more empowerment for Star-Pathes. players. At least one star quarterback a year walks once out, Aaron, Stafford, Brady, Russell Wilson. Take a deep breath. You're going to have to pay C.D. Lamb. You're going to have to pay Micah. They're top two or three in the sport at their position. What you don't have to pay is $58 million

to a quarterback that just got housed at home by young Jordan Love. The year. youngest Packer playoff team ever and one of the youngest playoff team since the 1970 bills it's all this fear about what to do look at what quarterback classes have given us 2018 2020 look at this class bow nicks Caleb jaden daniels panics j j j mccarthy drake may more quarterbacks better coaching take a deep breath but you're going to have to pay cd lamb he's the closest things statistically in this league to Justin Jefferson. And what's interesting about that comp is that if you take DAC's stats, they're nearly

identical to Kirk Cousins, who was Justin Jefferson's quarterback through all of this. Fear drives a lot of decisions. More good young quarterbacks, more excellent quarterback coaching. What you can't do, if I'm going to defend the Vikings signing Justin Jefferson, I'm a hypocrite not to do the same with the Cowboys and C.D. Lamb. J. Mack, hopefully the media gets their bearings on the WNBA. Not bloody likely. I don't see that happening anytime soon, man. This is, this is a bit of a mess.

You know what? May through September, you and I are looking for things to talk about. Yeah, that's a, yeah. This has been in my, in my world, I've had seven or eight. WNBA topics. In my business, the easy parts, like being an accountant

in April, the easy part for me is Labor Day till March 1st. That is the easy part. Then we get a little NBA free agency in March madness,

early March, right? And then we get the NFL draft in April, some NBA stuff in May and June. But a lot of May, June,

July, and August, we're looking for topics. Yeah. Guys, we've got to figure out how to cover. it because this is increasingly. We got a villain. We got a star. We have growth. We have media screwing up covering it. It's becoming, it's a thing. Listen, it's not just the media. The players

have to understand, hey, you know, there's going to be a lot more cameras and microphones in your face now. And you can't just wash away a flagrant foul cheap shot. The girl still has not a apologized, and I don't expect an apology. But how about actually saying what the hell you were doing? When Draymond Green stomps on someone, he's got to answer questions about it, Colin. That's how it works. Well, the media, hey, the result of the Warriors Kings game was great, but Draymond, what are you doing? You got ejected. You stomped on someone. Tell us what happened. And players have to address it. This woman still has not said. But why do they

have to address it? Our job is to address actions. Sometimes athletes have a right to say, no comment. No comment on why I body check someone when the ball wasn't in bounds. Hey, Miss Carter, whatever her name is. Nobody cares about the result of the game. Sorry. They care about that moment where you cheap shoted the star of the league. But she did respond. She said it's a foul. We moved past it. Well, why would you do that?

Well, I still don't know why you would. And Angel Reese, why'd you jump off the bench celebrating that? Well, because just like pro basketball for men, there are enforcers. There are instigators. There's a wink and a nod when you go out and attack the other star player. You do realize, Draymond doesn't go after bench guys. Draymond usually go ask, like Dennis Rodman went after magic. Yeah, that's fair.

Okay, Kennedy Carter had a role. She's the Pat Bev. Pat Bev's not chasing down the 13th guy on the Celtic roster. He's going to get in Tatum and Jalen Brown or Drew Holliday's face. Kennedy Carter is there. Pat Bev and Rodman and Draymond Green. And although it drives us crazy when Draymond does that, right? Or Pat Bev?

And it now driving us crazy. let's just understand though, this is part of basketball. Part of basketball is the annoying player who is often less skilled, the instigator that wants to get in the head of the other star player. This is common through all of men's college basketball, the NBA European basketball, and now the WNBA. It's nothing I haven't seen. We just aren't comfortable with it.

the Caitlin Clark, the Kennedy Carter. I think people, there's something about, there's a racial component. There's 100%. There's a Midwest girl, the underdog in Iowa. I mean, there's no quite, there's some coastal animosity in America. It's getting political because, you know, people are dumb. But just one final point. Colin, again, like, I get the Pat Bev analogy.

He literally injured players in the playoffs before. He took out Russell Westbrook. Like, there was, like, a serious injury. Knocked him out of the playoffs. And I'm just saying, these girls can be as physical as they want. That's fine. Well, guess who's going to be the biggest loser if Caitlin Clark gets decked on a cheap shot and is that a month with a concussion or ACA? Whatever.

Listen, that's a big hit to the league. And we're not doing topics on the WMBA if Caitlin Clark's knocked out for a month. But that didn't happen. Let's not create stories that don't happen. Let's cover the ones that do. Okay. And it was simply a hard foul. It was not a salt.

How about cheap shot? Would you go there? Yeah. probably. And I've seen those all through the NBA. Let's not guys create stuff that's not happening. Again, this is what I said. We're all projecting onto the screen what we want to see and want to happen instead of just covering what happened. It's just a hard foul. And by the way, if you watch the video, the crowd gets up, hey, that's a hard foul, just like they do with the NBA fans are on it. But let's not make it into it's an assault.

What if she would have been out or broken a leg? She's not a skier. That didn't happen. They don't break legs very often in pro basketball. By the way, the bad boy pistons, never forget this. The bad boy pistons are absolutely one of the reasons that we love Michael Jordan more. Because we rooted for this kid from Carolina, this skinny kid, who got tackled for years, was an other world talent.

And actually, we all hated outside of Detroit, the Pistons. So it was Detroit tackling him, eventually bad sports when he wouldn't, they wouldn't shake their hand, that elevated the love for Michael because he overcame something. So Caitlin Clark is benefiting. She's going to have to overcome her rookie year. This hard, insane schedule. Kennedy Carter banging on her. This is going to empower Caitlin Clark's brand, the sport, our feeling for because she

overcome something. Nothing worthwhile in life is easy. It's all messy. It's all hard. Jordan's journey. Brady's journey. The reason Tom Brady is likable yet is, you know, like a model and worth $500 million. The reason we like Brady.

The reason he's relatable is the journey. struggled at Michigan, crapped on by Belichick, didn't have dinner. He was always wanting Bill to put his arms around him and say, congrats. After the first Super Bowl, he gets into the limo. Bill's in the limo with him. They're going to like a TV show. And Bill acts like

nothing happened the night before. And so Tom was searching for that love, and he never got it from Bill. 20 years, no dinner. That's what makes Tom likable. This is all benefiting Caitlin Clark. It makes her journey ugly and bumpy and tough and that's why we love Jordan.

If Michael Jordan just came out that good-looking, that good won titles first year, path was always easy. It would be smug. It wouldn't feel the same way. People write movies. They all have a villain. If you don't, you insert a villain.

Even when they do true stories, people will look back and say, well, they sort of added a love interest. They added sort of a villain. They hollywooded it up. They holly wooded it up. They made a movie about Jesus, and they hollywooded it up. Why?

Because you want conflict. This is the conflict in the movie. It's the first scene of the movie. There's conflict in it, and it's going to make us love Caitlin Clark even more. Listen, I'm a hypocrite. I have always supported Raymond Green. So I'm going to support the instigator. I'm going to support the enforcer.

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Start with the NBA finals. The Mavericks head to Boston for Game 1 on Thursday, Dallas, six and a half-point dog in game 1, and they're a bigger underdog in the series. Derek Jones Jr., the unbelievable defensive player for the MAVs says that's not how

the team views themselves. We believe that we could beat anybody. That underdog, I don't like that, really. But, I mean, everybody's going to keep putting that narrative on us. We go out there and we play the game like we're supposed to play. I don't really think anybody can beat us in the seven-game series. Can't wait for it. Thursday night's the opener.

I have so many reservations about my Boston Celtics to win in six pick. I really don't feel great about it because I don't know what poor Zincol. us looks like. But I'll tell you what, you start. And at the top of the hour, I'll list the 10 best players in this. It is remarkable how good the playing. The quality of players in this, I mean, even on the defensive side, Derek White, Drew Holliday, Jones, like, and Luke is actually playing some defense. The quality of defense and offense in this series, like, I still think Denver would be favored next year. I do. But I think it does feel. like the right teams ended up there. A hot team who's really talented and took big swings in

personnel and the team that's dominated the East most of the last six to eight years. Yeah. I feel like this is a very worthy final. Oh, heck yeah. Last year, Miami, Denver, it didn't have the juice. When you did the 10 players last year, you know, you start to get to 7, 8, it's like thinning out a little bit. There's a lot more talent in this series. Oh, there's no question. I did the write-up for Fox Sports about gambling on this series, and I dug this stat up. The Mabbs in their last seven as underdogs in the playoffs are six and one straight up. As a dog, they're winning.

Well, I think... Like, just straight up winning. I think one of the components to their personality, perhaps it's the primary component, is they've got dog. I mean, Kyrie's trying to go into this series and shut Boston up because of that relationship. Luca wants to prove not Yokic. I'm the best player, hearing a lot of Tatum talk. So Dallas is playing with something that in the history of sports is very powerful.

A chip on their shoulder. Boston really isn't. It's more comfortable. They breeze through the east. They've been here before. They have a chip. I mean, you've been banging on Tatum on this show for a minute. They live in a very, very comfortable world of clobbering bad Eastern teams.

The only issue I have for Dallas in game one, the only two games they've lost in the playoffs that were double-digit losses. We're game ones. O KC and the Clippers. Trying to figure out. Maybe they play better from behind. Maybe they play better with a little angst. Yeah, game one feeling out process.

Sure, sure. You're going to be fired up. It's a big game for the Celtics. They do not want to fall behind 01 to start the series. Next up, let's go to Trevor Lawrence. One of a handful of quarterbacks eligible for a contract extension this offseason. Jags have not locked him into a new deal yet. He's not worried about it about Jacksonville keeping him long.

Obviously, I'm aware of what's going on, but I try to keep my focus on doing my job out here. You know, I have full belief that I'll take care of itself, and that's not something that I need to worry about. You know, that's why I pay people and hire people to do that for me. So that's not my job. But, you know, obviously I know what's going on. I'm aware of the situation. I think that's important, too. But, yeah, I try to keep all my focus and energy on being the best player I can be to help us win.

Yeah. I said it reminds me a little of Griffey with the Mariners. Griffey felt like if he left baseball could leave Seattle. If Trevor Lawrence is not a Jaguar, never gets drafted by them. This franchise may be getting moved to London. I don't think that. Well, they're talking about it. I don't think they.

Come on. Now, our staff did put it. I'm loved to even bring this up. Listen, a lot of people do it online. They do the comparisons. So people will look at Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones. This is kind of like your blind taste. Oh, boy.

And again, listen, I get it. These are counting numbers. But Colin, nobody with a functioning brain would put Daniel Jones in that stratosphere. However, some of the numbers, completes your percentage, touchdown passes, you know, kind of similar. And not a great look for Trevor Lawrence? Yes, I think early in careers, based on what you inherit, that young quarterbacks, Justin Herbert's comp numbers are going to change after this year with Harbaugh, because he's yet to have a good coach.

So I think you can throw a lot of things up. I think Dak and Cousins, after multiple coaches and multiple years, their comp's more realistic. I think right now we know Trevor Lawrence is better than Daniel Jones. I think we know that Trevor Lawrence means more to the franchise than Daniel Jones does to his. But I think it's a fair criticism that both Jones and Trevor Lawrence, get dinged up a lot and haven't kind of gone to the next level. I don't think Jones can.

I think Trevor can. And the real test is, okay, sure, Trevor Lawrence is underachieved. His first year with Urban Meyer was awful. The numbers were terrible. But if Daniel Jones hits the market at the end of the season, how many teams are clamoring for his services? I would say that probably, like, none. I would say Trevor Lawrence would have a half dozen teams that would be absolutely interested.

Minimum. You sure? You sure it's not like 15? No, I'm saying minimum. them because we're getting to a saturation point where most teams have quarterbacks. But I mean, there would be a bidding war for Trevor Lawrence. Bidding war among like your Raiders,

potentially the Patriots. I mean, listen, Dallas Cowboys. It's not going to happen, but they would pay Trevor Lawrence 50 million a heartbeat over that person. I don't think there's any debate. There's no debate. Your ultimate value is when you hit the market. Trevor

Lawrence's value on the market would be substantial. But he won't hit the There's no way Jacksonville lets that happen. He's Griffey to the Mariners. He is the franchise. I do just wonder, what's the holdup? You always ask this question. Contracts when you get to that number can take nine months to figure out.

Colin, this is the face of the franchise. They've known this has been coming for more than nine months. But there's a lot of things in play here. Oh, really? It's Trevor Lawrence, the number one pick, the face of the franchise. I don't think you automatically give him the Joe Burrow deal, but hey, Trevor, you good with 50 million years? Well, I mean, Chad Khan's a very successful business person.

He's going to negotiate it. He would like to get a deal. You know, one of the things that Patrick Mahomes leaned into early was a team-friendly deal. Brady leaned into team-friendly deal. But we got to cross Brady off because he had the wife at the time. Mahomes, by the way, did a very team-friendly deal with his first big contract. So there's probably...

You can restructure these deals after two years. A Justin Herbert's deal, if you look at it, is very team viable, very team friendly. So I think that is what a lot of owners say is, listen, I'll spend, but the more I give you, the less I can give you to work with. So I think these conversations take time and patience. You just don't go to Trevor Lawrence and go, hey, can you take a little bit of a pay cut? Can we hold back on?

It's a lot of massaging. You got to do a lot of this massaging. Just saying these, you guys, you think they do it on a napkin over at Applebee's and figure it out. They could have done the Trevor Lawrence deal on a napkin and Appleby's nine months ago, okay? Final story is Jim Harbaugh entering his first season as the Chargers head coach. Big expectations. Now the off-season program is ramping up. He doesn't think anyone will be outworking his team this summer.

So far, it's just been great with the team. We've just been working, chipping away, really every day, about nine straight weeks with the fellas. And practically perfect attendance, I think that's an incredible, edge that we have just the way our guys are working in the offseason and we keep that going at that edge is going to continue to grow. No, I don't think there's any question. You know that though? Nearly perfect attendance?

Nobody's missing. Everybody's all in. People want to play for Jim Harbaugh. Shocker. Guys not showing up for the Jets. Guys not showing up for the Cowboys. Jets. Make sure you put the Jets in there.

I don't know if we're going to talk about it's only Hassan Redick. I mean, come on. Jim Harbaugh is 17 times more important. And Jets are going to be fine. They're an 11-1 team. Sure. Sounds like you're convincing yourself with that, not me. J-Mack, with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. One of the things I appreciate about you, you've got a lot of energy and you get worked up over stuff. That whole Caitlin Clark thing, everybody's getting worked up. It's like, you got to let stuff happen.

You can't project what you think's going to happen. Caitlin Clark, it was a hard foul, it wasn't an assault. It was a hard foul. That's all it was. That happens every weekend in men's women's college basketball. It happens all the time, hard fouls, take a deep breath. We're all including Caitlin Clark. We're all going to be okay. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey gang, this is Jay Glazer, host of Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast and every week we will have on leaders from sports entertainment like Sean McVeigh, Lindsay Vaughn, Michael Phelph, David Spade, Guy Fiery, and also those who can help us in

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Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tontons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Bole Your Mind

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the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve

to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs?

Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jette. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here. unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it.

Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence.

Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for Black. Black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Better than Super Saturday on Fox. First, it's Phillies Mets from London. Followed by the Belmont Stakes, live from Saratoga. And in primetime, it's Dodgers versus Yankees all on Fox and the Fox Sports app. Yeah, I've said this for years. Once you get over the parody thing in sports, which doesn't really exist.

We're always trying to engineer parody in sports. And it's almost like the tax situation for my entire life. Tax the rich. Why does the gap keep widening? It's not working, whatever you're doing. At some point, I gave up caring about parity. College football doesn't have it. I mean, Michigan won a national championship.

Ohio State and Georgia are favor to win next year. Okay, it's the same team. college basketball, Kansas, Yukon, Carolina, tennis, Serena, Federer, dominant players for decades. It's the same countries in the Winter Olympics and the Summer Olympics dominate. I mean, even the NFL, which is the sport we view is the League of Parity, I think Mahomes and Brady have made the AFC championship in the 13 straight years. Or I think that's right.

So it's like baseball doesn't need parity. Yankees and Dodgers right now have completely stacked lineups. Yankees don't even have a Garrett called their starting pitcher. They're ace available, and they don't, their ERA leads baseball. If you took the Yankees and the Dodgers and you went and you combined them for a batting order. Today, if you combined them for a batting order, think about how good this is. You'd lead off with Mookie Betts. He would play second.

Juan Soto right field Shoahoe Otani would be the D.H. Aaron Judge would be in setter. Freddie Freeman, Dodgers would be at first. John Carlos Stanton in left. Will Smith the catcher. Anthony Volpe, the shortstop. Yankees' bats eight.

We'd put Max Muncie, who's not healthy at nine. He had 36 jacks last year. He'd be a cleanup hitter for most of baseball. He had 36 jacks. We'll put him at nine. So Kershaw's not back. Garrett Cole's not healthy. These are the two best teams.

overwhelmingly two of the only teams in baseball that can consistently hit, and I'm here for it. Once you get over, when I first started at the other place, I said this for years. Everybody talks about they love the underdog. No, you don't. I saw TCU play Boise State in a Fiesta Bowl. Nobody watched. Every time Duke, Kansas, Carolina get knocked out of March madness, the ratings go down. You're not rooting for the underdog.

That's just nonsense. NFL ratings, 20 years have been up. the Kaepernick year. That kind of protest year, they've been up. Brady and Mahomes have completely dominated it. Throw in Peyton Manning. So I'm here for dominance. I want all-time great teams. I'm here for it. And these rosters are stacked. You know, and what's interesting about baseball is that the Yankees and the Dodgers just decided to go all in. The Yankees can complain from time to time, but they got a big payroll. The Red Sox used to be in this class. And then they moved off Mookie Betts.

They moved off a couple of stars. And they just feel like they're a mile away from these teams in terms of overall talent. And I'm okay with that as well. Speaking of Boston, Kyrie Irving. So, you know, so Kyrie was very briefly in Boston. It was really brief. The relationship between Kyrie and the Celtics, it's sort of like the girl you date during the summer on the East Coast when you're visiting your grandparents.

You know, it's like one of those relationships in your life. you kind of remember it. He was only there for one playoff run. And everybody's worked out. Kyrie Irving. I understand Boston booze. You get a couple of Sam Adams in a, you know, your guy in Boston, he's going to boo Kyrie Irving. But I feel like he's a different person. He's a different

player. It's a different time. Here's Kyrie in the finals. Not this regular season, but when we played in the playoffs and everyone saw me flip off the birds and kind of lose my shit a little bit. That wasn't a great reflection of who I am and how I like to compete. I'm built for these moments to be able to handle circumstances like that. And I've been able to grow since then. So of course, it's going to be a hectic environment,

but I'm looking forward to it. And I see it as a healthy relationship to have with the fans. You know, almost think about Gladiator, just win the crowd over. You know, it's good to hear the TD Garden silent when you're playing well. By the way, since he left, Boston's on their third coach, leaving LeBron is worse than what happened in Boston. They were on the verge of being like dynastic. They were that good. Blowing up Brooklyn, not playing the vaccine stuff, that's worse. This was two years, one playoff run.

And by the way, when Jason Tatum and the Celtics collapsed in the finals against the Warriors, Kyrie didn't have anything to do with that, nothing. When they got beat as a number two seed by Scrappy playing Miami in the playoffs, Kyrie had nothing to do with that. And I understand people boo, but the last 10 times Kyrie has faced the Celtics, he's over 10. He's faced him 18 times. I'm sure they'll be booing.

That's just the way it is. But honestly, Kyrie feels like a different guy for the time being. It's a different time. Celtics can't point to Kyrie and blame them for anything. I mean, they didn't get any picks when he left. But in the end, he didn't slow down the train. He didn't slow down the momentum. So it's weird.

Maybe there's just so much. sports, that it's all a blur, but I barely remember the Boston stuff. He didn't like playing in Boston, and they didn't like him by the end. All right, they moved on. Like the divorce, Boston won it? Like convincingly, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't get all the animosity. Like it hasn't had anything to do with the Celtics collapse against the Warriors or that awful series when they were upset by playing Miami.

Kyrie didn't have anything to do with that. And the truth of the matter is, be mad at your coach. When you had an elite coach, he fooled around and got fired. Get mad at the coach. All of Boston's problems have been Boston's problems and Boston's issues. Kyrie's not really any part of it. He didn't slow anything down because Tatum and Brown at that time weren't ready to run over the league. They just weren't ready.

They were young players. They weren't even in their prime. They were defining their careers. It's a whole different ballgame. I do think players, I don't think crowds generally in sports rattle players. You know, Boston's pretty loud. Draymond Green wants to acknowledge like he could hear insults and it kind of affected him. My guess is Kyrie plays incredibly well, and this thing goes six or seven.

I'll still take Boston. I don't have any confidence because I don't know how Porzingis is with his health. But Jay Mack keeps, he's very good at digging before you get to these big games, digging in on these things. And what he's finding is you can point to both the Celtics and the Mavericks and look at little flaws and tendencies, which speak well of the opponent you're facing. I still believe it's an old school Dallas chip on the shoulder, dominant star team against a new school collaborative. Everybody shares the ball team. So to me, in a macro level, what makes it fascinating, it's new basketball collaborative against an old school team, Kyrie Luca, get me the ball, get out of the way, high usage, take the game over late.

The two best finishers, Dallas. The better roster, Boston. So beyond just individual players, it feels a little bit like old school, new school basketball. That to me is what makes it fascinating. Largely with you, I just worry for Dallas that this is OKC on steroids. That's what Boston is, right? A lot of flexible wing players, but a lot better shooters. and they got Porzingis in the Chet Holmgren roll.

And, you know, I know Dallas dominated the boards in that series, but if Boston's got open three, the last time they met after the deadline, I think it was March 1st, Boston hit 21-3-pointers. And if Dallas gives up, you know, if they're making 21-3s, they're not going to lose any games in the series. Should be a fun one. I'm kind of rooting Dallas, but I do not want Tatum to, like, be terrible because then you'll, you know. I mean, oh, I won't do anything.

He's not going to be terrible. Tatum Vanishing Act for 9-10. minutes in the fourth quarter. Well, he did have one of those. He was dominant in overtime. He won't vanish. Tatum will have a good series. Will he have a great series?

I don't know. Luca will have a great series. That's the only player in this year. My guess is Jalen Brown and Luca will have great series. I don't know if Tatum and Kyrie will. Nobody's going to stop Luca. Jalen Brown, Jalen Brown is... Really good.

And you kind of get the same thing out. of him every game. I always feel with Jalen Brown, I know you can just put down 24 and a half points, good defense. I get the same thing. Tatum, maybe it's because my expectations are higher. I think he moves into bad shots. He gets into bad shot cycles and the game gets a little bit into his head. Same with Kyrie. But if you told me Luca or Jalen Brown would be MVP's depending on if their teams won, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Yeah, you know, you don't like this. That would be a great story. Boston wins and Jalen Brown. He just got the Eastern Conference, Larry Bird trophy, whatever that thing is.

Who did? Jalen Brown. He was the MVP of the conference finals. What happens if Jalen Brown is then the NBA Finals MVP? You're already rooting against Tateen. Oh, what happens? What happens if Kailen Clark gets hurt? Don't look in the future.

What happens if Jalen Brown is he? Come on. You're killing me. Hour 2 next. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk

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Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host Kier Games. This space is about black men's,

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