The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - People need to relax

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

Looking at the final 4 teams in the NBA playoffs Thoughts on Brock Purdy's huge deal with the 49ers Colin also goes into detail as to why people need to relax when it comes to the rivalry between Angel Reese and Caitlin ClarkSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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we have an emerging heated rivalry in the WNBA. Brock Purdy got played. We have four NBA final teams, final four teams, all led by point. guards, which is unique, not centers, not wings, but Jay Mack, I know you love Brock Purdy, so you're going to ride his coat tails a little today. That's fine with me. I had to text you about the Brock Purdy deal over the weekend, very excited. I'm officially taking Niners to the Super Bowl column. Niners bills. Lock it up. All right. Well, all right. Good luck with that. So Brock Purdy got $265, $100 million guaranteed. He basically got $53 million a year,

which is the area I worried about. Listen, I am willing to pay quarterbacks $50 to $55 million a year that lead their teams or that are the offense, not that quarterbacks that comply with it. Lamar Jackson with a great organization and a great coach. He gets hurt, Baltimore can't score. Tom Brady with Belichick, he leaves, they fall off a cliff. Jimmy Garoppolo got this roster to the Super Bowl.

So my take is I like quarterbacks who initiate advantage, not benefit mostly from it. And I'm not saying he's a smart kid that doesn't move well, but it's like movie directors and movie stars in Hollywood. Spielberg and crews are filling the theater. Many people benefit being in their movies and some with a lot of talent. But again, Hollywood has a bit of a sense. salary cap like there are budgets for movies and there are budgets for teams so i think brock purdy

tends to be closer and talent to a baker mayfield 35 million a year than josh allen 55 million a year and i'm not saying brock is the only quarterback i think's overpaid it does appear that trevor lawrence is overpaid i i said it at the time i think that doc prescott and tua i didn't like those contracts. I was right on both. But, you know, the critics say, well, Justin Herbert hasn't won a playoff game either, but I think most people in the league know he can deal. So here's what the contract tells me. It tells me that Kyle Shanahan has all the power. And Kyle Shanahan's looking at that contract, and he's looking at a guy who's smart, coachable, moves well. They don't play in in crappy weather where Brock Purdy's not been the same guy as he has been in more temperate

weather and he's good with it. But we all know the more you pay Tua and Dac, the less they have around him. Tua's O line would be a lot better if he made $35 million a year. And Dac would have more weapons if he made $35 to $40 million a year. So I've said this. The Niners didn't really attack their offensive line in the offseason. Trent Williams sprains a knee or an ankle, cross your fingers he doesn't, and Brock Pertie is going to have to once again lead the team and initiate offense. You know, it's interesting. There's a guy that's going to get paid next C.J. Stroud. C.J. Stroud went to a franchise that was a dumpster fire with a rookie head coach and a rookie coordinator and kind of a bad team and led him to the playoffs. And then last year,

his top two receivers got hurt. Another receiver was in and out of the lineup. The offensive line was awful, and he led him to the playoffs again and won a playoff game. C.J. Stroud is somebody I would pay. Okay, again, he is initiating. He is overcoming. Last year, there was a great moment for people to judge Brock Purdy. He lost Christian McCaffrey. The team was banged up. How did he do? He was one and six against playoff teams. So again, I think a lot of people can drive this 49er car. Right? Garoppolo drove it to the Super Bowl. I don't think there's a lot of quarterbacks could do which C.J. Strouds done in Houston. Rookie coach, rookie coordinator, O-Line in the tank, Tank Dell gets hurt, Stefan Diggs gets hurt, and he's won the division back-to-back.

Now, you can say, well, the division isn't good. Well, Brock Purdy's best year was when Christian McCaffrey, by the way, was third in MVP voting, and the Rams and Arizona were both in rebuilds. So we'll see. I wouldn't have paid it. I would have wanted a more team-friendly deal. He is now in the class of a lot of big money quarterbacks. Some, Josh Allen, Joe Burrell, C.J. Stroud next, I would have no problem paying. Others, Tua, DAC, and Purdy, I'm less comfortable. I've been right on Tua. I've been right on DAC. I think I'm right on Brock Purdy. We'll find out, but it does, it does signify who's running the franchise. And Shann's like, he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. He's coachable. He moves well enough. If we can

keep them healthy. The schedule is easy. I can win 11, 12 games with this guy. And there's, you can tell by drafts who's in control the franchise. You can tell by contracts to quarterbacks who's in control the franchise. I mean, Mike Tomlin is controlling the Steelers. How do I know? They still don't have a quarterback. Right? There's no urgency for them at quarterback. That tells me Tomlin has all the power right now, all the juice in Pittsburgh. Okay, so I think this is really interesting. And one of the things we talk about that we love about sports on this show is that there's a lot of cultural changes. Baseball's done a really good job to improve and, you know, kind of take advantage of some things and make the game faster and it's helped ratings and revenue.

So the NBA got into a, you know, for kind of a stretch, especially when LeBron would move around to Miami or Kevin Durant would move to the Warriors where you just had like 300. Hall of Fame players. And the medium-sized markets or the unglamorous markets, the Memphis, the Portland's, you know, markets like that are like, well, wait a minute, that's not fair. And Adam Silver took over for the late David Stern, and there are some things he had to eventually unpack. So I think what is interesting with the final four teams in the NBA playoffs, Knicks, Indiana, both led by high EQ, IQ point guards, and the two best players for Oklahoma's

City and Minnesota are guards as well. Four guards lead their teams. And especially in the East, why? Why? Why is this happening? Because with the new CBA, right, and all these aprons that punish teams, you can't stack your roster with Chris Bosch, LeBron, and Wade, with Kevin Durant, Steph, and Clay in their prime.

So what you're seeing is rosters with a lot of rotational. B players. And so the point guards who can score, Halle can score, Brunson can score, SGA can score, Ant can score, but it's the guards that not only can finish, and Brunson's become an A-plus finisher, but can elevate others, elevate role players. That's what the league is now, and it's happened very quickly with a new CBA. Once Boston has to unpack some of these guys, Horford will be gone, Porz Ingalls will be gone, Drew Holliday's gone. We thought they had a bit of a two-year head start, grandfathered in cheat code, but they got new owners now.

Maybe the owner sold because they saw the reality. When they won that title, this is as good as it's going to get. The new norm in the NBA is roster construction and smart IQ EQ guards that can finish, but can elevate. Elevate all those B players. I mean, you look at Oklahoma City. SGA is your A. Everybody else really plays a role. You saw Caruso yesterday, how valuable.

Look at Minnesota. It's Ant, but Gobert doesn't score. Julius Randall's just now emerging as a two. Mike Conley passed his prime. Nas Reid, defender, athletic undrafted. You start looking at all these teams now. Indiana's roster construction. O.K.C.'s roster construction.

Minnesota great GM are roster construction. led by guards. Now the Knicks, interestingly, they play about six, seven guys, and so we'll see how it plays out. I think Indiana should be a slight favorite over New York, and I don't know what to make of Minnesota OKC. Again, I think OKC home court advantage, that will probably matter in a game seven. But I think we're seeing a couple of moves in the NBA. So Adam Silver takes over for David Stern. He can't make all these moves immediately. It had become a three-ball shooting league. David Stern was more willing to let stars accumulate in one spot, and Adam Silver said, I don't like it.

This is going to be the seventh different champion in seven NBA seasons. That is Adam Silver's league. Adam Silver also either sent a memo or made phone calls and says, I want more physical basketball. What does physical basketball do? Physical basketball wears teams out. Notice the shooting percentage, the field goal percentage, plummeted. It's the lowest field goal percentage in like six NBA seasons. Shooters are getting hit. Shooters are getting leaned on. Shooters are having to defend.

The scores are coming down. So the Knicks got a little fortunate here where the league moved into them, but I like what the league is now. It's more fair to more teams. The big markets can still flourish. There's still places where stars want to go. There's still trades that will be made, but it's point guards scoring, yes, but elevating roster construction and B-to-B-B-plus players

around them. Here's SGA on what he sees with his team and going forward. We can win no matter of the environment, no matter of the type of game. It could be ugly, it could be pretty, it could be high-scoring,

it could be low-scoring, it could be a lot of free throws, it could be no free throws. No matter what it is, we can find a way to win. And I think that's very important this time. year.

Yeah, and I also think this, when you allow more physicality, all these three-point parade teams like Cleveland and Boston and Golden State, you allow more physicality. It's hard to be a finesse team when you're in a fist fight in a phone booth. And Detroit was physical. And Houston was physical. And the Knicks are physical. And Minnesota can be physical. It's a big advantage.

The regular season was pretty basketball. fill your lanes, grab the three, nobody touches you, shoot it, back pedal. That's not what the playoffs were. So I like it's point guard lead, it's more physical, fewer whistles, more twos over threes, and I like what I saw. So, J-Mack, I think, I think I like Indiana, slight edge, probably OKC on depth. They get game seven at home. Do you have a strong, do you have a strong pull either way?

Yeah, I will go Knicks, Chimberwolves, and the finals. And I'm not just going opposite you. That's what I picked back in October of my podcast. I was bullish on the Knicks. Obviously, during the season, I backed off a little bit. But it could be a good final four. I am curious, though, seven final different champions in seven years. I thought you and I like dynasties.

Because in the 20 teens, when it was the Super Warriors against the Super Cabs and the Super LeBron teams, the ratings were massive. and now when we see like heat nuggets, the ratings are like half that. So I thought we liked super teams in the finals. Well, remember, the NBA got its $76 billion contract. Now it's up to the networks to make it work. The NBA, the players are happy, the coaches are happy,

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It's not their concern if NBC can make it work. So, and Adam Silver's take was what he was always tried. He was much more concerned about the ratings. I knew that from the league office. They didn't like all this anti-ratings talk. Now they don't care. They got their money. What they want is Adam Silver's bosses are owners.

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45 minutes from now where Colin was right and where Colin was wrong. So I said this last year with the WNBA. People just aren't used to the heated intensity of a great rivalry. In the WNBA, they're not used to it. In the NBA, we had MJ in the Pistons. We had Bird and Magic. We had the Lakers in Detroit. We're kind of used to it.

And so I think even the officials aren't quite sure what to do and how to act yesterday. As Caitlin Clark in Indiana hammer the Chicago Sky, it was like four and a half minutes left in the third. There was a foul. It should not have been upgraded to a flagrant foul. It was a foul. And I really think if you truly respect women's basketball, let them play, sort of like guys. Many of the media themselves who consider themselves WNBA friendly are too often patronizing and pandering. Rivalries equal ratings.

Sports is better with intensity. Animosity is part of it. It was a physical basketball play. This is okay. Who cares if Angel Rees doesn't like Caitlin Clark. It's not soccer. I don't need jersey swaps. Lambere couldn't stand, and Isaiah couldn't stand MJ.

MJ still hates Isaiah. It made the documentary great. So the WNBA, if you respect it, and the league, the women are getting bigger and better. They're just the passing, the ball handling. It's a better league than 10 years ago. Caitlin Clark, obviously, is jet-fueled to its popularity. Right now, the fever outdraw the Indiana Pacers, and the Pacers are really fun to watch. So, but I didn't think this was a flagrant.

This is a basketball play. And people just aren't used to it. So too many people are precious and pandering and projecting and they're polarizing. And Angel Reese got the best of Caitlin, junior year of college. Then Caitlin got the best of Angel, senior year of college. Last year, they were both exceptional. Clearly, Caitlin's more popular. And yesterday, the Indiana fever.

I mean, we're looking at like a Tiger Woods. That's what we're looking at here. Angel Reese is a good player. She's not a phenomenon. Tiger was. LeBron was. Taylor Swift is. Caitlin Clark is.

But the foul, to me, it's like, just let them play. It wasn't a flagrant. It was just a hard foul. Here's Caitlin after. I'm not sure what the ref saw to upgrade it. And that's up to their discretion after watching the initial whatever happened during the play and then whatever happened after. You know, we watch a lot of basketball.

It's a take foul to put them at the free throw line or rather give up two points. You know, I've watched a lot of basketball in my life. That's exactly what it was. I wasn't trying to do anything malicious. That's not the type of player I am. So, yes, wasn't anything like that. And I went for the ball, and that's clear as day in the replay.

You watch it. You know, it shouldn't have been upgraded. So they're not even quite sure how to officiate this rivalry. Take a deep breath. The women are adults. They can handle it. basketball college pro WNBA is all better when it's a little chippy when there's real rivalries a couple of scoops of animosity it is okay take a deep breath even the officials now not quite

sure how to handle it J-mac with the news is the heard my news all collins all right let's get started with the golden state warriors Colin, they obviously lost to the Timberwolves in the second round. And there's a lot of, hey, well, if Steph Curry were healthy, we could have had a shot. Steph Curry basically missed the entire series. So I don't want to hear this aunt took down Steph Curry nonsense. However, Steph has talked about the future of the team. Take a listen, Colin.

Our contracts are all me, Raymond, Steve, Jimmy, all two years. And we want this ride to last as long as possible. But it's just about what it's. is this team need for next year, answering those questions over the summer, everybody preparing themselves individually to get through another 82 game season, hopefully with a little bit more of a little comfort room down the stretch where we don't have to have a two-month gauntlet just to make the playoffs. I actually think we're talking a lot about Janus and KD,

but I'm actually interested the second-tier player. a sign and trade with Cominga. He's not KD. the finisher. He's not as refined offensively. He's not as dominant as Janus. But what does he fetch on the market for a team that needs to be young, twitchy athlete? Is there an old team

like a Milwaukee? Is there an older team that says, you know what, we need 20 a game from a young, long guy? The problem with Cominga is when playing with Curry and Butler, he's a total non-factor. He can't play with stars. That's right. So it's like,

What am I doing getting? Well, he can't play in the ecosystem that is the Warriors, by the way, which has always been punitive to Wiseman, to Jordan Poole, to a young DeAngelo Russell, to Kaminga. He can play. But what have those guys done since leaving the Warriors? And I'll say this. By the way, the Warriors don't win that title over Boston without Jordan Poole. He had a phenomenal postseason.

I know he was. Obviously, Curry was great and company. But Jordan Poole was great. But none of those guys have done anything. I mean, how many teams are? Has DeAngelo Russell been on since leaving the Warriors? It's like, I don't know. I like Cominga.

I don't know what you can get for him. My question is, Colin, like, does Kevin Durant even consider going back to Golden State? No. Or is he too mentally weak to handle, hey, man, the noise is so. I don't want to go there. Like, you were your best in Golden State. That system fits you perfectly, JD. What's interesting is Phoenix wants to get younger, right?

and athletic and and and we know kd would fit perfectly into that system but i think as long as draymond's around i think it's just it doesn't quite click and i don't i don't necessarily blame kat i don't buy into he couldn't handle it katy proved he could handle it he won two finals mvp let me restrain could he handle going back there or would the noise be like oh he's going to chase another ring like at some point you got to not care about that crap calling who cares what the peanut gallery is saying. You and I are in a place. You know, people come after us all the time. I don't care what people say.

I know you don't. Knowing you. Like, why can't KD just tune out the noise? Go play das. Go who? You know what? I think he probably looks at it and says, been there, done that. I certainly can't top what we did. And I also, I, listen, they have

post, they have Moody, they have pods. I'm not sure they need another 30-year-old. I'd like to see him get, I'd like to see him get a functional big who could play within the system. All right. Lori Mark and my guy, we know he's going to be an high demand. Colin, let's get to Janus. Now, this is going to be a big deal this week.

Chris Haynes just broke the news here that the bucks are setting up a meeting with Janus. Colin, it's going to be very crucial about his future in Milwaukee. Janus has been linked to the Spurs, Rockets, and Warriors. and there is a segment of the population who thinks that the Bucks decided they saw Janice's social media activity over the weekend and they were like, whoa, hey, let's nip this in the bud. Janus did some random Twitter Q&A. Now, I don't know his history, but I don't think he's ever done one. Maybe he has a, and I missed it, but he said the cities that make him happiest, not basketball, just happy, are Florida cities. So we can start talking Orlando Magic Miami Heat.

favorite place to play on the road. You guessed it, Madison Square Garden in New York, and Janice continued to heap praise for one, Stefan Curry, all weekend. His all-time starting five, Janice had Steph Curry at Point Garden. Okay? Now, I got to ask you,

is this Janus playing, you know, chess the way LeBron does sometimes? No. Or is this Janus just answering questions? Listen, most international players are, in my opinion, almost overly loyal. He's been great. He's lived up to his end of the deal. I wish he would have developed a more consistent jumper. But his numbers, the last two years, have been insane. And they have let him

down in roster construction. We said this three years ago. They're just too old. They're not athletic enough. They're like the anti-thunder. So I don't think they've done a brilliant job in roster construction over the last three years. So we'll see. You know, I've said this. In my lifetime, I mean, the Baltimore Ravens and the Buffalo Bills do not have Super Bowls. They may never get them. Shanahan has gotten to two of them.

They didn't have a Super Bowl. Denver got one. Milwaukee got one. Like getting one. This will be our seventh different title team in seven years. So the idea that, oh, the honest. hasn't worked. It's been wonderful. You have been relevant for 10 years. You've got a title. Now you can set yourself up for the next 10 years with draft picks in a younger roster.

Resigning Janus does not solve your litany of issues. And I would argue because of injuries, he's probably now in the last maybe year of his prime. Maybe he's got two years. But to me, if you get a title like Denver, now, Yokic, I think, is happier in Denver. But Janus, pigs get fed hogs get slaughtered. Wait, move him, get seven picks, get four players, and be relevant for a decade. Colin, Janus is 30, turns 31 in December. He doesn't have a lot of, like, injury, history. He's not some seven-foot-two guy worry about the feet.

Like, I think he's got like three or four more years left in his prime. This guy's a physical specimen. He keeps his body in shape like LeBron. My question is, what if the Toronto Raptors have the best offer for Yon? with like six draft picks and Scotty Barnes or whatever. All right. Janice don't want to go there. So that's where this is going to become, it could get ugly, Colin.

Are you prepared for it to get ugly? Does Janice, is he willing to get in an ugly situation where he says, guys, I don't want to go to Toronto. Well, I heard Dane didn't want to go to Milwaukee. And then he played in Milwaukee. I don't think you can, again, I'm making a move. Once you're not on my team, I'm not concerned about it, right? I think they're going to move him west because I don't think Milwaukee wants to face him. So I think Milwaukee's going to move him west to a Utah, you know, the teams that, you know, we all know who they are.

Is he in a position, Colin, to call his shot, say, I want to stay east and here are the three teams I want to go to? Ken Yannis do that to Milwaukee, where he brought a title a few years ago. Well, I don't love players controlling that. That's like when a college basketball coach retires and makes his son the head coach. Like you're out of the school. You're not going to dictate who I hire as your replacement. Final story, let's go to the NFL. C.D. Lamb has a new running mate for the Cowboys.

His name is George Pickens. So we heard from Stephen Jones last week saying the Cowboys don't view Pickens as a number two. And C.D. Lamb echoed that statement saying, it ain't no A, B, none of that. It's one. So C.D. Lamb is basically saying the Cowboys have two ones on the outside in Pickens and Lamb, and they have the highest paid quarterback in the league. The running back room is below average, I would guess.

Offensive line has questions. I don't... I think Pickens is a number one talent. Absolutely, I do. There's no question he's going to help Dak. There's no question that for Dallas, in the short term, now short term maybe six weeks before he starts grumbling, there's no question he's going to make plays.

Nobody's going to guard him. He has a huge catching radius. He's a unicorn as an athlete. There's no... Now, does he quit? on stuff? Can he pout? Is he immature? Yeah, but, but, you know, Russell Wilson will tell you, you throw the ball up, he usually comes down with it. So there are advantages to this. I mean, I think it, I don't even think it's negotiable. He'll make Dallas's offense more dangerous,

but I think you sometimes, you have to fall in like with players not love. Don't sign him to a long-term contract. His personality doesn't bode well over four years and $100 million. If you just see him for what he is, a significant. significant, dynamic, offensive player on the sideline that can beat man coverage. Don't fall in love, fall in like, and Dax's very good at feeding his, if you look at D.C.'s career, Amari Cooper, C.D. Lamb, he will feed his best receivers. He'll zone in on him and get him the ball. So, Colin, if we could get that Cowboys schedule on the screen again, this just, I just noticed this looking at it. Okay, the audience loves when we do this.

So Cowboys Eagles, let's give the Eagles to win in the opener, okay? So Cowboys are 0-1. But look at those next five games. Yeah. Is there a world where the Cowboys beat the Giants? Go to Chicago in September win, then face the Packers. I don't think they're going to be big underdogs at home. And then my Jets, we know they stink.

And then Carolina. So if Dallas gets out to a four and two, five-and-one start. And Pickens, we know when they were early in the season in Pittsburgh, when things were good, he was great. It only fell apart late when they were terrible. Just Pickens get locked. in playing for a contract and all of a sudden Dallas is a surprise team in the NFC? Yeah, I mean, I think Dallas is pretty predictable.

I think they'll play really well until about week 11, week 12. Then their schedule is brutal. I also think Brian Schottnheimer is an offensive coach. There's an element of surprise. Then over the course of NFL seasons, the better coaches win and the better rosters win Thanksgiving on. Dallas's schedule has a lot of potential wins. Now, I don't think it helps. And they get some of those, they get Green Bay at home.

You know, that's a go-either-way game. The first time they face Washington, it's at home. They get Arizona at home. The schedule for the first 10 weeks into the buy is very doable, and I think that's when they need to win six games. But I think at the end of the season, they're facing better rosters, better teams, often on the road, at Detroit, at Washington.

That's where to me it gets tough. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. Listen, I saw this story. I think it came out like Friday. Boomer O'Syerson's a former NFL quarterback, you know, with Cincinnati.

I think he won an MVP. He's a morning show host at WFAN in New York. And he was talking about Caleb Williams and had some pretty harsh comments. He said the level of entitlement is breathtaking. no wonder he failed and got his coach fired. Keep your mouth shut. You're going into the greatest league there's ever been that we all love. You're going to make 500 million potentially.

So just keep your pie hole shut. Go out and play football and earn respect. Well, first of all, there are no absolutes in the NFL. It is a collaborative business. Patrick Mahomes has been blown out twice in Super Bowls when he didn't have protection. So, yes, this is not a star-driven league. Even Mahomes has no shot. Tom Brady's last year in New England.

It didn't have a receiver or tied in that could separate. It's a collaborative business. And so I defended Caleb Williams for this reason. There are four things that have to work, generally speaking, for a touchdown of any length in the NFL. You got to call the right play. You can't have a penalty. You got to block it right. And the 11 guys have to execute.

Almost all of them execute. The Bears for 100 years just didn't do that much simultaneously on offense. So Caleb Williams had every right as his dad did to be concerned about it. So when I broke this story a year ago, it's not like they were, you know, building up a firewall. They kind of knew there was going to be heavy criticism if this came out. That's why the minute I said it that they just weren't in love of the idea of Chicago, the next afternoon it was, oh, we can't wait. They knew the repercussions of this coming out.

But if you look at since Caleb Williams has been a Chicago bear, to me, he's been great at the podium. He's been a team guy. He said all the right stuff. So since they won, I think he's been great. So, and for the record, Boomer Ossison has been, I would say, a little political calculated in his career. He said things in his career to defend Boomer Ossiason. I'm okay with it. NFL teams leaked things to protect themselves.

Arizona did it with Kyler Murray's work habits. If stuff gets out, if you're trying to protect yourself, you get one shot at this, I'm okay with it. And I don't buy Boomer Osias and saying, you know, he got Matt Eberfluse fired. Matt Eberfluse on Sunday road games was 0 and 18. He was the worst statistical head coach ever in league history on the road. If you go back to Eber Fluse's clock management against Detroit on Thanksgiving, The radio team says live on the air, he just got himself fired.

I got nothing against Matt Eberfluse. He is a story as old as time in the NFL, better position or coordinator than head coach. Not even all of Eber Fluse's issues are on Eber Flutes. I think he's a capable coordinator. But I don't buy into this that Caleb Williams has been disruptive, that Caleb Williams has been talkative, that he has been in, Titled. Listen, I said this once about a president we had. It was the first president who had to deal with social media and Twitter and the vile nature of it. Caleb Williams is the first NIL superstar. He was the first college player to come into the NFL and made more than 90% of the coaching staff.

The first. There is no playbook. I know Caleb, don't know his dad well. I never saw a ton of ego. There's always been a fine line between confidence and ego. But this idea that he's entitled, this idea he's been disruptive, the bears have a hundred year history. They can't get offense right. I said this, I think on Friday, if you were going out of college into the job market and there was this company that really liked you and they had a hundred year history of not being able to get your job right, would you talk with your family about it? Would you try to figure out a way if you didn't have an option?

could draft you what do we do here what are our options let's contact an attorney it's okay to talk about stuff the fact that it gets out eventually everything does everything gets out eventually but um i i i don't think this and i and we'll call and you know caleb will call in you know kaleb williams i know a lot of pro athletes i don't think this is a disrespectful player go find and he's had opportunities go find the piece of audio the day he signed on with the bears forward that is egotistical, that is arrogant. Find it. I don't think you can.

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The Knicks clearly looked inferior to OKC, Cleveland, Boston, the pretty teams, the teams up and down the floor. Three-point parade, finesse teams, right? And then all of a sudden, we all thought, oh, they have to make a Janus move. They got to make a KD move. And then the NBA decided, we're going to swallow the whistles, more so than usual. We're going to allow physical play. And it moved right into the Knicks style. The Knicks, this is what Tibbs has built.

A slower pace, not three-ball dependent, a physical starting five, half-court-based offense. Well, guess what worked in the playoffs? So the NBA moved into their direction. I said this for years. For years, you could grab and clutch and hit quarterbacks above the shoulders. The NFL 10 years ago moved into Andy Reid's direction. and Sean McVeigh's direction and offensive coaches directions and away from Mike Tomlin and Bill Belichick's direction. Sometimes leagues move into you.

The three ball analytics helped a lot of smaller players who could shoot threes. It moved away from Dwight Howard. That's what the league did. And so I think it's interesting. Adam Silver, ultimately he and the officials control it, they made moves that benefit teams with great point guards, Jalen Brunson, slower pace, not three-ball dependent, excellent defensively. And we didn't think that in the regular season. So, I mean, some of the Knicks success, and this is not a criticism, is what the league did. The league moved into what the Knicks do. We're going to have our

seventh champion in seven years. And I will say this, the best players for the Knicks have reasonable contracts. I love the McHale Bridges move because I don't think NBA draft picks. They gave up five first round picks. I mean, where are those picks going to be if the Knicks are good? 23rd pick, 27th pick. I mean, after about the, seriously, there are drafts. We're after the sixth pick. I'm not sure what you get.

You're drafted 19-year-old kids, right? So you just don't know. So I like their contracts. I like their players. This is not a one-year thing. If the NBA keeps allowing this, the physicality, the point guard-led offense, it plays right into the Knicks' favor. And what I think is interesting and kind of funny, the one coach in the league we've criticized

for only playing five or six guys, the pace is too slow, they play too physical, they play them too many minutes, all of that feels like it's sort of moving into Tibbs in the next direction. And he talks about the next series against the Pacers. their excellent basketball team strong on both sides of the ball their ability to push the ball so defensive transition but when you look at their guard play particularly with you know haliburton at nemhart and McConnell they can push and they can break you down off the dribble so you've got to be very disciplined in your approach they can spread you out you know schakum and turner very

talented bigs. So we understand what the challenge is. Listen, four teams, Minnesota's best player, a guard aunt, OKC's best player, and he's a good one, SGA, the Knicks best player, Jalen Brunson, and Halliburton,

I would say, is the best player for the Pacers. So it is a guard-led final four. And again, a lot of this is now with a new CBA, you can't stack rosters with stars. So it is the ability of a smart IQ EQ point guard to elevate lots of good players, young players, and rotational players.

Nobody better than Halliburton right now at doing that. The other story today is that Brock Purdy signed a massive deal. Next on deck is C.J. Stroud. And I've said this. I didn't love the two-a-deal. I didn't love the DAC deal. I don't love this deal. It shows the power of Kyle Shanahan.

I would have no problem paying $55 million for C.J. Stroud. Why? Because he led the change. He didn't benefit from the coach. Rookie coach, rookie coordinator, three-win team goes to Houston, back-to-back years, wins the division. Again, this past year, the offensive line regressed badly. It's a terrible offensive line. He got hit more. He lost Hank Dell. He lost Stefan Diggs. He lost his other receiver. And again, they made the playoffs and won a playoff game. So if you're the quarterback that I believe carries and initiates the offense, Lamar Jackson, C.J. Stroud, Matt Stafford, I'll pay in the 50s. If I have to go to 60, I will. If I feel you are largely complying or benefiting from the coach and the offensive

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