The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Pete Carroll to the Raiders

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Colin reacts to the Raiders hiring Pete Carroll to be their next head coach and explains why he loves this fit for Las Vegas The Cowboys are taking too long to find a new head coach The refs are not rigging games to help the Chiefs   Guest: Jordan SchultzSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. J. Mack, the silver and black, got a little more silver. Pete Carroll is the new coach of the Seattle Seahawks. Ageism had a rough day today. And by the way, that division now is incredible

Harbaugh, Peyton, Andy Reed, and Pete Carroll. Yeah, they're calling it the AARP division because every coach is old as hell. I like it. It's going to be strong. By the way, Liam Cohen and Jacksonville, Pete Carroll, they're going to gobble up assistants and coordinators.

I'll get to the Cowboys in a second. Every day you wait to hire a coach, you're losing out on the best assistance. So just think about that. There's a finite number of elite NFL assistance. Make decisions, make them quickly. And the Raiders have chosen Pete Carroll. He's an adult, and the organization needs one.

I like the choice. I said this. I had no problem if he went to Chicago. I thought he was a good fit there. I think he would have been a good fit in Dallas. I think he's an excellent fit with the Raiders. They need stability. They need culture.

And Pete provides that. And in a division where you have to face Andy Reid twice, Jim Harbaugh twice, Sean Payton twice. Pretty good bet that a coordinator who's never been a head coach just won't do. And Pete's history is he is good with young quarterbacks. He was good with young Russell Wilson. He was good with young Gur Drew Bledsoe. He was tremendous with a young Mark Sanchez or a young Carson Palmer.

So this is a coach. The Raiders are a total rebuild. They don't have a staff. They don't have a front office. They don't have a quarterback. They have Max Crosby and a couple of weapons. So this is laying concrete. Forget about the master bathroom and a great kitchen.

This is laying concrete. This is foundation up. I think Pete Carroll has proven. I've talked to players throughout the years and coaches that know Pete, one of the most organized coaches in the league. When the Patriots faced the Seahawks in that Super Bowl, it was a chess match. And Belichick later said that.

He likes facing older experienced coaches. It was a chess match. Belichick won that chess match, but it went down to actually that interception, the final couple of plays. And I think Pete is, I mean, here's the thing with Pete. There are things like retaining kind of average coaches too long that I'd criticize him for, or maybe not in Seattle, sensing the urgency at quarterback when you're in a division with McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan. And, you know, we can nitpick all these coaches. But, you know, this is somebody that took a Seattle franchise that was just swimming in mediocrity, took a USC program, swimming in mediocrity.

Even a job that didn't work for him, New England, it's not like they fell off a cliff. I mean, they replaced Bill Parcells. They got, you know, one win last, one win less, one win less. So I like Pete for the job. I don't think age is a factor with him. I think he's the best available coach on the market. This is an organization that needed a grown-up, needs stability, and needs culture. And as we look for our TV audience, these jobs are getting Phil,

bears Ben Johnson. He's working on Phil and a staff. The Jaguars Liam Cohen, the Jets Aaron Glenn, Mike Vrable, Pete Carroll. Only the Cowboys and the Saints don't have a coach. And that's why I want to segue to what's happening in Dallas. This is amazing. Apparently, Jerry Jones, the Brian Schottenheimer move, according to a report this morning, yeah, that wasn't Jerry's ID.

that was floated by his sons. His sons really like the idea, and Jerry's not down with it. He's more down with Dion Sanders. That's probably not going to happen, too. There are some things in your life you can take time with. Like, let's say, buying solar panels for your house. You went 31 years without it. You can put it off until next week.

Or maybe marriage, if you're a young lad. You're 31, 32. It's a big decision. A lot of fish in the sea. Take your time on that one. And then there are a couple of other things you have to act urgently. Like let's say you cut off your arm with a table saw. You might want to get to the ER quickly.

Or hiring a head coach. Remember, in every industry in America, there is a finite number of elite. And I don't care if it's realtors, politicians, or football coaches. It is about 10%. Right now we've got about six great coaches and six great quarterbacks and six great coordinators and six great owners. Even the billionaires, about five or six in the league that are really, truly non-meddling and elite. So here are the Cowboys.

Pete Carroll working on a staff. Vravels got his filled out. Aaron Glenn, Liam Cohen. These guys are filling out their staffs. So Dallas is now going to get the third and fourth choice on O-line coaches. And there are not many O-line coaches in the league that you even know the name to. Because at one point, Jimmy Johnson told me at any one time the NFL's got four great offensive line coaches.

There's a reason you know the names of the best offensive line coaches in college, because there's so few of them. And they're all getting, they're either now all employed or going to get employed by Aaron Glenn, Pete Carroll, Liam Cohen, in the next week. So this needs urgency, and the Cowboys

have only interviewed three people in person. And remember, Roberts Craft, owner of the Patriots, has six rings, recently. How did they fired Girard Mayo?

The season was over. And before Mayo got to the locker room, ban of press release, we're moving on by the next day they'd contacted Mike Vrable. They put their name in the running for Mike Vrable. Think of the Cowboys. I looked this up this morning.

So January 5th, the Cowboys played their last game on January 5th. The next day was my birthday. It should be a national holiday. but January 5th, they played their last game, it took them eight days to figure out McCarthy's not staying. It has been 11 days since then. And they're like, hey, what do you guys think of Pete Carroll?

I just got hired in Las Vegas. All right, let's cross him off the list. Oh, boy. In my entire life, every year, there's seven or eight coaches that get fired. And there's always one great candidate. Last year it was Harbaugh. This year it was Vrable. And then there's always like two or three really good candidates, Pete Carroll, Ben Johnson.

And those guys, like Ben Johnson, there's always one or two hot shot coordinators. One will flourish, one won't work. So one of the things about like Mike McCarthy, and if I'm the Saints now, I go hire Mike McCarthy. Because you know he'll be somewhat successful. And Mike Vrable may not win a trophy, but he'll be. somewhat successful. And you know Pete Carroll will be somewhat successful. With a hot shot whiz kids, the coordinators, and Ben Johnson's a very good coach in Chicago. Would you be shocked in five years if we're moving on to another Johnson? I mean, that's just the way it works

in Chicago. But Jerry Jones is going to do what he did with Dak Prescott. He's going to make you think he's playing poker. He'd not shown his hand. And then you end up paying about 40% more than you should. And, I mean, this morning, you know who should be excited this morning? Robert Sala. Robert Sala is just sitting back there. All the good candidates are getting hired. Robert Sala has an unbelievable leverage this morning.

Unbelievable leverage. You gave Dack. Unbelievable leverage. I mean, Sala's sitting there like, now Sala's the number one candidate with Mike McCarthy. So, oh, oh, just an added note. The Eagles this weekend will play in their eighth conference championship in 25 years. Cowboys have been in none. By the way, this is Michael Irvin yesterday on Speak for Yourself reacting to Brian Schottnheimer,

potentially being the Cowboys coach. Is he the right coach for the Cowboys? No, no, not at all. Honestly, honestly, right now this is the Cowboys. You need the right coach on the football field to bring the best out of the team. but I do believe at the point in the juncture that the Cowboys are now, you also need the right coach to raise the morale. I'm a, you know, tried and true cowboy fan.

My morale is down. I know their morale is down. So, you know, hopefully they're making the decisions, understanding all sides of it. Yeah, we need the right coach. We need the right coach for everybody on the football field and off the football field. Now, just think about this. Let's say you give it.

to Brian Schottenheimer. That's a lower-end coach who will now have a lower-end staff. Because Pete Carroll is going to gobble up a lot of the remaining solid coaches. And if I was Pete Carroll this morning, I'm hiring Robert Sala in five minutes to run my defense if the Niners don't hire him first. My first call, Pete Carroll, get Robert Sala off the market. Get him to Vegas. Now, Sala may have options.

like the cowboy job. But now the Cowboys are going to get a second-tier head coach and a third-tier staff. Brian Schottnheimer is considered a week higher, meaning if he would have been hired a month ago, you would have struggled to build a great staff. Coaches know who can coach. Like Pete Carroll should be able to build pretty good staff.

Vegas, easy place to get people. When you get, Ben Johnson in Chicago is considered a hot coach, Caleb William, they'll build a nice staff in Chicago. Mike Vrable, New England. Vrable's good. He'll build a better-than-average staff. Gerard Mayo did not build a great staff in New England. Because in the coaching community, people were like,

I don't know if it's going to work. Year or later, didn't. So now the Cowboys are going to have a second-tier coach, maybe a third tier, and the staff could be a mess. Because Leon Combe, who got the Jags job, again, considered very young and very sharp. My guess is he and Pete, Cohen's going to gobble up the best offensive staff over the next 36 hours,

and Aaron Glenn and Pete Carroll are going to gobble up all the great defensive guys they know in the league. And what does that leave the Cowboys? That's crazy what's going on in Dallas or what's not going on. January 5th, season ended. Eight days later, McCarthy left.

11 days since then, three live interviews. And the story was they were interested in Pete. Well, he just signed in Vegas. Wow. So J-Mack, Blazing 3. I got a couple of picks and an over-under bet in one hour from now. Jordan Schultz going to be joining me in 25 minutes on some of this coaching stuff is a lot, a lot of movement. I think Pete Carroll's a good spot.

Yeah. Who's his quarterback again? They're going to draft one. So the good news is they have a top. Or are they picking six, seven, something like that? Yeah, they're going to miss out on the – The two stars, Cam Ward and Shadour. Let me float this to you. What if this is from a friend, I got to give him credit. You know how Mayo was kind of a stopgap and then they got Vrabel in New England? What if Schottenheimer is a stopgap for someone else in a year that they just can't get now?

Dionne, Belichick. Do you think Schottonheimer would be hired as a stopgap? Well, well, there's no question. Unless they get Sala, who I think is pretty good candidate. Let's say it's Schottenheimer. That's a four or five-win team. So you get a great draft pick in a strong quarterback class. Yeah, you just kind of punt on the season.

I know that no organization thinks like that. But hey, we just need to get a guy in the building, stabilize things. We realize the market's going to be better next year for a coach. We bungled it this year. I'm sure Jerry would admit that, right? Yeah, well, I think Dallas has always been, they've been in quick sand for the last several years, so they're just slightly above average. So you get, you know, you don't get a great draft pick.

You don't get a terrible one. But, you know, you're kind of making the playoffs or you're down around 18, 20. you know, and it's like it's hard, especially in a weak draft this year. Dallas, Dallas needs to make some moves. I'll say it again. I'd consider moving Micah Parsons, getting the second number one, building that roster up, because I don't think you're going to get a great coach. I mean, overpaid quarterback, even if you restructure his deal,

and a subpar coach and a weak staff. Not great. In a division would now, emerging superstar Jaden Daniels and the stacked Eagles. And the Giants are not going to stay down long. There's a potential for them to come on. not interested in the Giants, but they're not going to stay down forever, right? Right. Cowboys might be last place in that division.

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That is something. I wanted to throw this out the second New England Patriots dynasty with another great coach. interesting. The New England Patriots ranked third fewest penalties per game and third fewest penalty yards in that span, including the playoffs. Like the Chiefs, it's almost if the best coach team in the league had fewer penalties. I'd like to add this, if I may. Did you know the fewest penalties by any team this year? Oh, the best young coach, Sean McVean the Rams. So Andy Reed, Belichick, and Sean McVeigh, Looney coincidence.

Arguably the three best coaches have the fewest penalties. Hmm. Pendleys are negative plays. Good coaches avoid them. Just like good quarterbacks, Malmhom's, Josh Allen, don't throw as many picks. Justin Herbert had a bad playoff game, but threw almost none during the regular season. And great coaches also see. separate themselves in many forms.

Schemes, game plans, situational excellence, developing young players, avoiding penalties and mistakes. By the way, the most penalized team this year? The Jets. The least penalized team this year? The Rams. One had an interim coach. One had the best young coach. So in fact, since Sean McVeigh has joined the NFL as a head coach.

The Rams are the least penalized team. That's because it's a big market. Yeah, okay, whatever. I give up. So I know you conspiracy theorists are tiptoeing around rigged. The chiefs are really good and really well

coached. And oh, by the way, there were two teams in the league this year that had just one delay of game penalty. And he reads team and Sean McBay's team. Both the Giants and the Jets had 10 plus. So again, Julian Edelman also brought up this point.

It's Patrick Mahomes. He's the face of the league. They do want to protect faces of the league. Maybe it's subconscious. Here's Edelman this week. I remember being on the other side, seeing a late hit on Brady or a roughing the passer on Brady where I'm like, eh, probably wasn't there. But it's Tom Brady. He was already had five Super Bowls.

You guys got to understand the situation. Years ago when Michael Jordan was in his prime and dominating the league, Michael, absolutely, and I can say this about Magic Johnson, overwhelmingly got the favorable whistle. They were intimidating. They were assets. It didn't come from the league office. It was kind of like knowing.

the temperature of the room. And when it's a go either way play on Mahomes, on a helmet hit, and you don't get a review it or challenge it, and the league has told you on quarterback hits upstairs, when in doubt, call it. That's not my opinion. That's, as we showed you Monday, that's in the rulebook. When in doubt, quarterback hits, roughing the passer, call it. Tie, in baseball goes to the runner, in football goes to the penalty flag on, quarterback roughing the passer. JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I got to say, my friend, listen, this is why this show works. I put off a fiery hot take

that people get worked up. A couple days later, you bring some reason and some sense to the discussion. That was some of your best stuff this NFL postseason. I got to be honest. I don't know if it was one of the producers or you, but that was... I was just writing notes down driving to work. Very good. I don't have a counter to that. I was ill prepared. So we'll go to Jaden Daniels. Let's start with the incredible rookie who has been just absolutely phenomenal. Crazy.

Shooting to become the first rookie starting quarterback to make the Super Bowl. One of the most notable traits has been his late game performances leading Dan Quinn to hand him this nickname. He's got rare in the moment skills that have allowed us to be into this spot when it's like mental chaos going down in two minutes in these tight moments where it could feel that tight,

he's got the experience of somebody that's played a lot more football than a first year player. On the sideline, like, you know, he is The Terminator. Like, there's not a lot of stuff that's going to go on externally. He can really stay in it. That may be the greatest nickname in the NFL, Jaden Daniels, The Terminator. That's a great nickname, and that's what he is. In crisis.

Isn't it remarkable? When you look at his passer rating in the fourth quarter and overtime, was better than Mahomes and Allen. And those guys had better weapons. So you would think, like Josh Allen's got couple backs, couple tied out. You would think an experienced quarterback with better weapons just default. You just get the ball off, you know, you've seen a zillion snaps. I mean, look at this.

Fourth quarter comebacks. That's pretty impressive for a rookie. And again, I was dubious on this team. You did show me the light in August, I believe. Remember, I was a guy saying, hey, new owner, new OC, new head coach, new quarterback. And Jaden Daniels has just been, he's exceeded all expectations. I still, in my head, I cannot picture him winning this game in Philly. Can you envision this?

No, I think multiple road games. They're dinged up on the O line. I feel like it's just been a wonderful year, but it's now a better story than a team. I did think Detroit off a buy. All the pressure in the world was vulnerable. That's why I remember that was the one game I would not bet. I said, I'm not touching the Lions commanders. Philadelphia is not vulnerable.

Philadelphia is healthy, loaded, at home. Their strength, running the ball. It's arguably Washington's weakness, defending the run. If this one got ugly, wouldn't be shocked. I have a feeling this could get a little ugly. Oh, interesting. Okay. Now, the next story is a little controversial, Colin.

Liam Cohen was the offensive coordinator of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And in a stunning turn of events, he is now going to be the Jaguars head coach. And I say stunning turn of events because he interviewed for the Jags job. They liked him. Then he pulled his name out of consideration allegedly because of Trent Bulkie, the GM was still in Jacksonville. So they decide, oh, Bulkies the impediment. Let's just get rid of Bulkie.

And they went to come back to Cohen, but he had verbally agreed to a new deal with Tampa, Colin, making him the highest paid offensive coordinator in the league. But when Jacksonville came back, can you fault Cohen for going back to Jacksonville? I can't. I can't. It's just a better job. This guy's never been a head coach. You're going to in the $7 million, $8 million.

You get to run your own show. I don't blame him. Oh, use an excuse. He's had one of his kids was sick. Whatever. And they love that part. But whatever. You know, you got to do what you got to do.

This guy's been working 15 years in the salt mines, grinding as a coach from college to NFL. And he gets an opportunity to coach Trevor Lawrence. Are you kidding me? And I know people are down on Lawrence, but coming out in the draft, Colin. You say, your first job as an NFL coach, you normally don't get somebody as talented as Trevor Lawrence as your quarterback. You get like a Raider situation. Yeah. You get the Saints job.

You know, like, we don't know what's going on. You can be fired in two years. Trevor Lawrence gives you a real good chance, and I know everybody's down on Lawrence. But just comes down to injuries. Remember two years ago, they were eight and three. Yes. They were dominating. All right.

The final story, Colin, is the NBA. Lakers pulled off an impressive blowout of the Celtics last night. Came with some controversy. Afterwards, Anthony Davis, hey, you know what? I'm at my best when I'm a four, not a five. Heard that. We need a center. Colin, what?

Now, first of all, let's be fair now. The Celtics were playing their fifth game in seven nights, including a couple overtime games. They, Jason Tatum looked gassed in the first half. It was a back-to-back with the clips. Yeah, it was Boston looked spent. Boston's now going to go home, get some rest. So this was the perfect.

Lakers were hitting threes. The Celties who usually do could not. So it was a classic example of a team without its legs. Lakers got a bunch of open looks. It didn't matter if it was Dalton Connect. Austin Rivers. They hit their three. Austin Reeves.

Sorry. Listen, that was just one of those. One team was spent and one team felt fresh. But I don't think Anthony Davis is wrong. I do think the Lakers could use another big. How can you play two bigs in this era? I don't understand that. When everybody's shooting threes,

You want to play two big guys? Denver won a title. They were big. Boston won a title when they got bigger. How many years ago was the Denver title? Two, three? Three. And by the way, Dallas at the trade deadline last year, got bigger. They did, but they alternate bigs.

It's Gafford or lively, not both at the same time. They got a stretch four in PJ Washington. I don't know. Again, Lakers, fifth in the west. I hope Charles Barkley is okay with that. Again, Lakers are trashed. They're not going anywhere. Fifth in the West, I don't know.

They're fine. They're an incomplete team. They're fine. Aren't we all incomplete? some more than others after that contextualization of Kansas City I feel pretty complete

J-MAC with the news well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line news so I thought this was interesting this headline is interesting to me what's wrong with Jalen Hertz

and he's the quarterback who's banged up a little bit he's always banged up what's wrong with Jalen Hertz there's nothing wrong. This is who he is. This year, or his Super Bowl year,

his two best teams, he's never thrown for more than 23 touchdown passes. Daniel Jones threw for 24 as a rookie. He's now a backup. Leadership, love Jalen. Intangibles, love Jalen. Mobility, love Jalen. Tush, push, amazing.

From the pocket, he is absolutely average. He is a player where his success, is predicated on help from others, others being the offensive line, or Sequin Barclay. They keep adding great weapons. His numbers don't really change. They don't really change. So the tush push is really more about the O line than it is Jalen Hurts. Although I know he squats 600 pounds, it helps.

But Lamar Jackson runs too. But when they added Derek Henry, it's still Lamar Jackson, who's getting the MVP vote. When they added Sequin Barclay to this offense, it is now Sequin Barclay's offense. He has, over his career in Philly, had an offensive line ranked number one, number one, number one, number four. Joe Burrell got to a Super Bowl with a bottom offensive line. That's the difference. So now people will say to themselves, well, hold on, Colin. Hold on America's honesty broker.

he has rushed for 55 touchdown since he's been in the league. Yes, and 40 are three yards or less. That's an O-line stat, not a quarterback stat. This isn't Lamar Jackson running from 17 yards out, or Josh Allen running from 24 yards out. This is three yards out, and the big uglies up front push their way in. So there is nothing wrong with Jalen Hertz. he is a little small.

He is not great from the pocket, not a top 12 quarterback from the pocket, middle of the pack or lower, from the pocket. Greg Kosell said this over and over. Excellent leader. Not much of an ego. Reserved, smart, resilient.

Check, check, check, check, check. But people are looking for something different. Well, well, what is wrong? There's nothing wrong. They keep adding great weapons. And he still kind of gives you the same numbers, very solid numbers. I like him a lot.

But this idea that he's, hey, he's hitting about 68% of what he is. No, this is what he is. We got multiple years. If the Eagles O line was as bad as Burroughs, I'm not sure he's a starter in the league. I'm pretty sure he's not. His success is predicated on others. That's very much Dak Prescott, though I think he's more talented than Dak Prescott. Here's the commander's defensive coordinator Joe Witt on how they're going to defend Jalen

hurts. The one thing is is if he's going to run the ball and if the coordinator makes a decision for him to run the ball, we're going to treat him like a running back. And we're going to hit him that way. So that's their decision if they want to get him hit the way that he gets hit. If they don't,

they'll keep him in the pocket. So, but that's what we're going to do. Teams that play Philadelphia would rather Jalen sit in the pocket. Nobody wants, you know, that's not really the way. the great ones are great from the pocket.

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What led to the Raiders? What a division of coaches now? What led to adding a little silver to the silver and black? Yes. 73-year-old Pete Carroll. To understand the Pete Carroll higher, you have to understand the history of both Tom Brady and Rob Spitek in Tampa Bay. Remember, when the Bucks won the Super Bowl,

who did they coax out of retirement? A mid-60s, Bruce Ariens, not dissimilar necessarily to Pete Carroll. High energy connects to players, and they win the Super Bowl, and now you fast forward several years, and yes, Pete Carroll is old, but Pete Carroll's superpower is connecting and relating to players.

And when you think about that division, Andy Reed, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Tom Brady, Rob Spitech, they realized they needed an adult in the room. Now, Ben Johnson was the exception. They looked at Ben Johnson like he's a superstar, he's a number one draft pick. But once that became really unrealistic, and I told you last week, I never really bought into Ben Johnson going to the Raiders. I always thought the Bears was the number one opportunity for him and that he wanted that job. When that became unrealistic, they moved to Pete Carroll and pursued him wholeheartedly.

And I've talked to Michael Bennett, Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, and they all say that there is no coach quite like Pete Carroll in terms of the connectivity to players, establishing a culture. And I can't think of a franchise more in need of that than the Silver and Black. Yeah, I think we both admit they needed an adult and Pete Carroll is an adult. Yes. He was willing to go back to college for an elite job. He's a coach. Coach is coach.

That's what he wanted to do, and that's where we're at. Okay, I want to talk about the Bears and Ben Johnson. my concern is he has no real relationship with Ryan Poles. I don't know if Ryan Poles is the guy. It's been a political organization. In this league, when the coach and the GM don't connect, Snyder and Pete Carroll late didn't really connect. The coach is usually in trouble.

Ben has the power here in this dynamic. What do you make of that GM coach thing? You mentioned Pete Carroll and Snyder. Pete wanted to stay in Seattle. He was pushed out. It's really important to have alignment. And the Bears, you mentioned Ryan Poles. It was really Kevin Warren driving the bus, the president of the organization.

But Ben Johnson is someone that can give you innovation. Ben Johnson is someone that's going to take his playbook and say, no, no, no. Caleb, I will adapt to you. A lot of coaches, especially ones who've had the early success, like a Ben Johnson, known as a guru, a wonderkind, they will go to a young quarterback and say, you listen to me. this is my playbook, you will learn everything I want you to learn. They'll have cohesion, and it's been made very clear to me that Ben Johnson is going to have the opportunity very early on

to establish the type of trust with Caleb Williams, who, by the way, advocated publicly for Ben Johnson, and they will have the cohesiveness that he never had with a Shane Waldron, let alone a Matt Eberthluse. That was a big part of the hire, and I think Chicago also sold Ben Johnson on, yes, this division is really tough, but nobody has ever been able to take the bears to the promised land since Mike Dicca. Imagine what you can do for the city of Chicago in this region if you take the bears to the

promised land and they believe he will. Dallas Cowboys, not only are they going to settle probably for a second to third tier coach, but everybody's gobbling up the best coordinators and assistants. Where are they at? Colin, if you're a really good established coordinator, do you want to go work for Brian Schottinheimer in Dallas? Why? Why?

I mean, I'm not, this is not disrespectful. Brian Schoenheimer, it's the reality. He's 51 years old. He's failed multiple places as an offensive coordinator, including Seattle. And now he appears to be in the lead in Dallas. Now, I'm not willing to say quite yet that he has the job. I know they really do like Kellen Moore. And Kellen Moore, obviously, they wouldn't be able to hire until Philly's out. But if Brian Schottenheimer is the guy, he is viewed around the league. I'll tell you this, quite totally honestly. He is viewed around the league as someone that will acquiesce to Jerry Jones. Now, Mike McCarthy, I believe, Jerry really believed, wanted to stay and that he would

be able to retain him. Jerry got very behind in the process, did not proactively reach out to potential new coaches, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, reaching out to the Lions. He did not do that. He became way behind. And as a result, not only does he not get a top-tier head coach, but he has no plan of how to operate moving forward. The Cowboys, boys have no plan. And this is what happens when you just wing it. And Jerry Jones, who's in his 80s, is operating right now as a lone wolf. A lot of times he's incorporated Stephen. It's my understanding that Jerry Jones right now is driving this entire thing. So if it's Brian Schottenheimer, it'll be because Jerry wants Brian Schottenheimer. And that's not a very

good thing. Let me throw a name out to you. I think now Robert Sala is the best candidate on the market. I thought Vrable was initially. Then I thought it was McCarthy, Ben, Pete, I think Sala now, to me, has leverage with the Saints and the Cowboys. You're getting a text right now. Is that anything we should know? This is directly related to the Jets' GM search, but I think we have a few minutes. Okay, okay. We'll come back to that.

All right. Robert Sala. Yeah, well, speaking of Jets, I believe wholeheartedly that Robert Sala would have been a guy in Jacksonville had the Liam Cohen, Hale-Hareem Mary, not worked. I believe that. And so now that they go with Liam Cohen, Robert Sala, I think is most likely, very likely, going to go back to San Francisco, become the defensive coordinator.

But, you know, we just talked about Dallas. This is why Dallas hasn't been irrelevant in three decades. If you're Dallas, why aren't you talking to Robert Sala right now? This is a guy who is very well respected. I mean, the minute he left New York, the franchise overboard. They were two and three on the verge of potentially first place, and they made him the scapegoat and look what happened. They fell apart the rest of the season.

Now, I'm not saying Robert Sala is a godsend of a head coach, but he is a culture, defensive guy. Niners want him back. The Niners desperately want him back. And really, a lot of teams really like Robert Sala. It's why, and this surprised me, he was in the mix in three different organizations for a potential head coaching job.

And a lot of people, including myself, did not believe he'd be in this cycle. That says a lot about how he's viewed throughout the league. So if you're Dallas, I don't understand, quite frankly, why you're not pursuing a Robert Sala, and it really goes to speak to the ineptitude of Jerry Jones and the organization. But I do believe, again, he would have been in Jacksonville if it wasn't for Liam Cohen, and I now believe he will be back in San Francisco as the D.C., which probably means in a year he'll be in the head coaching cycle again. Liam Cohen, he's been around for a long time, 15 years, gets the Jaguars job.

There's a lot of hurt feelings in Tampa, but it is coordinator to head coach. It's just going to happen. And that's the reality. They circled back. Trevor Lawrence finally gets his guy. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of factors here.

I don't want to go too much into the weeds on this. But basically what happened was Liam Cohen, interview with the Jags, went very well. The next day, he alerts Jacksonville. You know what? I appreciate the opportunity. But I want to remain in Tampa Bay or the next couple days. I love Baker Mayfield. Love Todd Bowles.

The Bucks make him one of the highest paid coordinators in the league for $4.4.5 million. Everybody's happy. apathetic. Then you fast forward 24 hours. The Jacks fired Trent Bulky, and now all of a sudden they start bombarding Liam Cohen. Hey, would you be interested now that Trent's out? What can we do to get you in the building? Give us another chance. As it was described to me, they were going to make Liam Cohen say no, not once but twice. Okay. So they bring Liam Cohen secretly. That happens, by the way, in college a lot. Absolutely. They bring Liam Cohen secretly into Jacksonville. nobody knows what's going on.

And they meet with them basically all day, and Chad Khan becomes very enamored, blown away. And as it was described to me and I reported this last night, they were not going to let Liam Cohn lead the building. That's how well it went. And you asked me, why not Trent Balke? What's the big issue there? The big issue is Trent Balke is a survivor.

He survived Jim Harbaugh, Jim Tomsula, Doug Peterson, Urban Meyer. Now you start to think, if I'm Liam Cohen, why would I go to Jacksonville with Trent Balke? Talk about not having alignment with the GM. It doesn't make any sense. And the other part, and this is important to know, Colin. It's ironic that it's from an OC from the Bucks to the Jags, because if you rewind the clock three years,

Byron Lefich was in a very similar position. The Jags wanted him. He ended up turning it down because he did not want to be in an organization that wasn't healthy, right? It's not guaranteed if you're Liam Cohen, just like it wasn't with your Byron Lefich, that you're going to have an opportunity year later.

Yeah, I think people get that. It's a head coaching job with Trevor Lawrence. Absolutely. And if you're Byron Lefich, you have not been in the league now for three years. You never got that job. It's only 30 plus jobs, 32 jobs in the world. And I know how frustrated Bucks fans are with Liam Cohen. But you have to understand this is an opportunity for him to be a head coach.

And now instead of making $4.4.5 million, I've been told he's going to make Ben Johnson money, which is mid-teens. Yeah. It's a multi-year deal. How many buck fans would turn down three times the job offer? Get over it. And the power, and Trevor Lawrence, who Colin, I know he hasn't been perfect, but this is a guy with immense talent. So there's a lot of unbelievable factors here with that job.

I worry about the Detroit Lions losing both coordinators, and I hear they'd like to fill those positions from within. Watch out. The two names that I would watch for, Scotty Montgomery as the OC potentially, and Calvin Shepherd, linebacker coach as the DC, but they're going to have a search. The difference here, go ahead. That's upgrading within the staff worries me. It does. The difference here, and this is the difference between Dallas and Jerry Jones to Detroit with Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell.

They've been preparing for this for a year. They already have a lot of candidates, obviously within, but also outside to potentially bring in. So they're ahead of the game. Now, I'm not saying they're going to be able to replace Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn because you can't. but I think Detroit, with that roster, is viewed at as a great opportunity to come in, work for Dan, be really good right away, and then you can jumpstart your career potentially as a head coach, as we've seen with Aaron and Ben. I still think with that division, Detroit has to be the favorite next year. Yeah. What do you think? I'll have to examine my data and analytics.

So let's go back to the Cowboys. I said this yesterday. we are seeing the fall of an American institution. If it is Brian Schottenheimer, I think it's interesting. Would Jerry give him a two-year deal? You got to prove it. Two-year deal, which, by the way,

you'll build a horrible staff. Is there a chance Saul against Dallas? No, I don't think Saul. I think Kellyn Moore would be the other guy. But you'd have to wait. You'd have to wait three weeks. You'd have to wait. Absolutely.

And if you're, if you're Kellyn Moore, Are you looking at Dallas? I know it's a head coaching job, but you have a great thing going on with Philly right now. And there's going to be, I would imagine, I know it's not a guarantee we just said, but there will be more opportunities for you. Of course. So the reason Jerry would love a Brian Schottenheimer or a Kellynne Moore for that matter is, you know, they've, Kellyn Moore's been in the organization. Callen Moore's a young guy.

He hasn't been super established. Brian Schottenheimer will acquiesce to him. Jerry wants full control. And that's why he's operating right now as a lone wolf. I keep using that term because it's very important to understand. This is not a collaborative approach. This is not a Detroit or a Jets even looking for a new system. This is Jerry Jones saying, my way or the highway,

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