The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - PGA, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant

Episode Date: June 21, 2022

The PGA is going to have a difficult time with golfers leaving for the Liv Tour The Nets have a huge decision to make about Kyrie Irving Kevin Durant did the right thing by going to the Warriors   Guest: Chris MannixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. One hour from now, forget the all-time best players after the Warriors and Steph Curry won a title. The 10 most important players. in NBA history. We'll talk about that. Joy Taylor is joining me. We got a lot today, a lot of movement,

and people in life who are proactive and not reactive usually benefit, and the PGA tour is finding out they couldn't look up from their bifocals fast enough and players are fleeing their tour. Listen, you got to see around the corner,

especially if you're a big league or a big organization, you've got to see things coming. It'll come at you fast if you don't prepare for it, and that's what's happening. The 10th major champion has left the PGA. It's Brooks Kepka.

I said last week, Brooks leaves, Rory McElroy leaves. Pretty much got me. I don't root for the PGA. I don't root for boxing. I root for boxers or individual stars. I was a Greg Norman fan, a Tiger fan. I wasn't a fan of the PGA. What is the PGA?

Ask yourself this this morning. So what are these dislikes? loyal young men leaving. The Masters? No, the PGA didn't run that. The British Open. No, they don't run that either. The U.S. Open?

Rider Cup? PGA Championship? No. They're not leaving that either. As of today, still eligible to plan the majors. Here's what the PGA is. Here's what they're leaving. I'll go to the website.

The PGA tour is the organizer of the main professional golf tours played by men in the U.S. and North American. It organizes most of the events, let me interject an opinion here, the ones we don't care about or watch. It organizes most of the events on the flagship series of tournaments, also known as the PGA tour. They also run the golf tour in Canada and the corn fairy tour that nobody outside of the guys on it and their families watch.

That's what they're leaving. Let me ask you, are you loyal to organizers in your life? Not the organizers of the big events in your life, like family vacations and your portfolio, your retirement accounts, you know, stuff like your garage. They're leaving organizers. They're not employees. They're independent contractors. Independent contractors in every industry are loyal to money, events who's paying them.

That's how you survive. PGA is a charity. and doesn't give much to charity and doesn't give nearly enough to their great golfers. In fact, Jack Nicholas has made his most money in course design. Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, Greg Norman made their most money through sponsors, which the PGA tour forces their golfers to play with amateurs and schlep to make 70% of their income. This is why NFL and NBA stars are loyal. They feel marketed and protected and paid and elevated.

PGA guys resent the tour. Greg Normans resented it for 20 years, Phil Mickelson for over 10. Think about this. I sit in a studio in Los Angeles. What if Fox, I was just an independent contractor? And I had to make 80% of my money, 70, 80% shlepping to sponsors. They were a charity. And they didn't really, they had the Super Bowl on their network, but they didn't really,

they just organized the Super Bowl in the World Series and college football. They farmed it out to other people. If I left, what would I be leaving? A parking space and a studio? What are they leaving? What are the golfers leaving? It's hard to leave an employee you like. It's hard to leave family and bosses.

It's not what the PGA is. It is a reactive. This morning, the PGA has come out to say, we're going to have some new events and pay people a lot of money. A little late there, Ace. What are they leaving? A charity that is horrible. the money that forces them to make their money in course design and pens oil ads for

Arnold Palmer. What are they leaving? I'll ask that again. I've seen NFL and NBA players, forget the leagues, be loyal to small market teams, take less money because they feel empowered and marketed and protected. And they're part of a team and a locker room and a family. And they love their coach and their coordinators. And then when those Star players make the Hall of Fame. They sit up in Canton and they ball and they cry and they talk about family and coaches. They even hug the commissioner. What are golfers leaving?

Yeah, they watched Tiger Woods. I'll tell you what the PGA did. They milked the Tiger Woods gravy train for 12 to 15 years. And a lot of these great golfers, eight of the top 150 have looked at it and thought, there's got to be a better way. If we're not as good as Tiger Woods and who in the world, is, there's got to be a better way. I know your outrage that the Saudi money is blood money.

Your car is filled with that oil, by the way, from Saudi Arabia, I imagine. But if it was Amazon or Apple, this was a vulnerable sport that was greedy and this was going to happen eventually. Doesn't matter who bought them, the golfers were going to leave. And again, when everybody says, but Tiger would never do this. when Tiger started making big money, you know, when he went on that meteoric rise for about eight to ten years, do you notice one of the first things he did?

He stopped playing a lot of PGA events and everybody grumbled. He played only in majors, which the PGA doesn't run. It just, you know, organizes second tier events. And then he would pick international tournaments that paid big money. And I love Tiger, but this idea that he was beholden to the PGA,

no, he wasn't. no he wasn't he told all sorts of pGA events you don't pay enough no thanks i'll go play the majors which the pga doesn't run and i'll go play internationally and take a fortune so i ask you if you're not an employee you're an independent contractor and you feel for years the charity slash boss you have has not treated you protected you protected you marketed you the pga forced phil mickleson to buy his media rights for a million dollars buy video of him playing golf. You could see this coming years ago.

This is what happened to boxing. Arrogance and greed. And the UFC with a centralized voice and Dana White came in and stole pugilism fans. And boxing had it coming. And it's never fully recovered. And the PGA won't either. Take care of your best employees.

They don't even pay their caddies in the PGA. Live to her does. kind of attractive, right? So again, blame the individual. Blame the star golfer. But if it's not Saudi money, it was going to be Amazon money, it was tech money, it was Apple money. This was coming for years.

And an arrogant and insular PGA thought they owned these guys and they weren't even employees. Ask yourself, every independent contractor, who are they loyal to? And who should they be loyal to? The money. I get it. So it's interesting. Our eye team here at the herd, our investigative unit tried to figure out Kyrie Irving's tweet

yesterday. A story came out. The Nets and Kyrie were at an impasse and he's going to put himself out to the market. There'd be some suitors. Nicks are interested, Clippers, Lakers. He went to his Twitter account and put up a paper. picture of a character from the wire. We tried to figure it out. We don't know what's going on. We just couldn't quite figure it out. It was a popular character coming back to Baltimore.

I don't know what it means. We did have a Nets reporter on yesterday, and he talked about the Nets and KRI and KD, and it hasn't worked. Here he is. It's tough because from a salary cap standpoint, if Kyrie leaves in free agency, the Nets can't just go ahead and re-sign another Max player. You never really get a duo like KD and Kairi on the same team like you have right now. And I think they really need to strike while the iron is hot. You can still re-sign them. I think if you build around the team the way it's currently constructed, talk about talent, right? You've got KD, Kyrie, Ben Simmons, the all-star appearances.

You got Ben Simmons with the defense. I think if they're just healthy, I don't want them to pull the plug on this experiment because you don't have an opportunity to do this again. I'm not sure you'd want to do it again. You know what the Nets have become? that great vacation you talk about but never go on fantasy land what have they given us in three years one year was marred by injuries Simmons KD and Kyrie still get injured one season a first round exit one a second round exit by the way Miami will be better next year so will Boston

and the Milwaukee Bucks Philadelphia has a chance to as Maxie ascends to start them What are they? They're the great vacation. Keep talking about, oh, my God, your wife, your husband, you talked about it for years. You never went on it. Getting a plan and goal, I don't want to hear about it. They have nothing. Did you guys just watch the playoffs?

Celtics, Warriors, Bucks. Did you watch the playoffs anybody? Chemistry, defense, commitment, health, excellent coaching, size. Do the Nets have any of those? I've said it before. Anthony Davis would solve two of their five issues tomorrow. Defense and size. Karee would solve a huge Laker issue or four.

Shooting, point guard, ball movement. I keep hearing about what the nets are going to be. After a while, if you keep hearing about the vacation that ever actually happens, it's fantasy land. It's not going to happen. Forget the Warriors and the Celtics. what do the Nets do better than any of the top teams that's not directly tied to Kevin Durant shooting the ball? That's not going away.

I trust that part. Simmons, anybody really believe he's going to be a high-level player anymore? I don't. Kyrie? He's great, but they don't need Kyrie, a small guy who takes away shots from KD. So much of this organization has been about the future and what could happen. I'm three years in, and none of it has. All right. Kevin Durant's defending himself.

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Open your free, Our Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Go to have you in. Kevin Durant takes more heat and responds to more of it than any great player in basketball history. As you know, I thought he was trapped with Russell Westbrook. I thought he had to leave, totally defended him leaving, was shocked that he ended up with Golden State. But if you leave a place that you feel trapped, are you supposed to go to a less talented company? I chose Fox for a reason.

It was better than the other places that offered me a job leaving another place. I don't blame him going to Golden State. Should he have gone to Orlando? You'd respect him more for losing in Orlando. So Charles Barkley, who I love, was criticizing KD about this whole who's driving the bus. He's never let a championship team. Before Katie gets that great respect from all the old heads, he's going to have to win a championship as a guy, as a bus driver. Listen, he joined that team that already won a championship.

So no disrespect. That's just a fact. The old guys like myself, hey, Katie's an all-time hell of a player. But until he is the guy on a championship team, we're not going to ever give them the respects, I mean, that he probably deserves. I do not understand this argument at all. He won back-to-back finals MVP with the Warriors. And you're claiming he didn't drive the bus.

And I just listened to all of you in the media and fans criticize Curry. for those three years because he didn't drive the bus. Was this a self-driving Tesla bus? Who was driving the bus? Forget the Zodiac Killer and D.B. Cooper. We have a new controversy in the Bay Area. For years and years, three years precisely, there was a bus driving around the Warriors with no driver,

endangering children. Somebody had to drive the bus. KD. and Steph were the two best players. Steve Kerr got news for you. Coaches don't drive buses. Andre Igwadala coming off the bench. You keep telling me Curry didn't drive the championships

when KD was there. And now you're telling me KD didn't drive the championships when KD was there. Somebody has to drive it. I always understood the argument. It was more Shaq than Kobe, more Kobe than Shaq. But at least you were acknowledging one of them drove the bus.

You can't have it. Both ways. All you haters out there have got to acknowledge either the soul of the team for this entire dynasty has been Steph. I'm good with that. I don't agree with it, but I'm okay with it. Or you have to acknowledge that Steph in the first and the fourth championship drove it and KD in the two middle ones drove it. But you can't tell me in that three-year period with two titles, he's the MVP. He wasn't driving it and say Curry wasn't.

teams don't drive themselves coaches don't drive it bench guys don't drive it so i think we've gotten to a point now where we're just picking on kd he's the only redeemable thing in my opinion right now in brooklyn that's it you could get rid of everything the garbage bins the the side tables the scouting department just keep kd we have a we have a controversy on our hands Tesla apparently created a that drives itself and has a championship team swerving in and out of hills all over San Francisco. It was no bus driver for three years, I guess. Only championship team ever. No bus driver.

He was just flying through the playoffs, driving itself. Lord. We've got to find a new guy to pick on. Joy with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, some pretty significant news in the Deshawn Watson situation.

This just came down. Yes. Deshawn has reached a settlement with all but four of the 24 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct. The attorney for the plaintiffs, Tony Busby, released a statement this morning. He said, today I announced that all cases against Deshawn Watson, with the exception of four have settled. We are working through the paperwork related to those settlements. Once we have done so, those particular cases will be dismissed. The terms and amounts of the settlements are confidential.

we won't comment further on the settlements or those cases. So they are working through the remaining four. Those will be dismissed. The ones who have settled will be dismissed. Not the other four. Not the other four. The other four are still suing. Yeah, you can't say, they're all dismissed except four.

That means they're not all dismissed. They're not all dismissed. Those four may be in it for the long haul. Well, one of those cases that did not settle is the first plaintiff to sue Watson, Ashley Solis. She was also one of the women that spoke on the HBO interviews as well. So she did not settle

along with three other women, but 20 of the cases have decided to settle with Deshawn Watson. The NFL is still not announced what its punishment will be. According to the Washington Post, they are allegedly pushing for a significant suspension

for violating the league's personal conduct policy, so they will probably seek a suspension of one full season. for Watson at this point. I don't know how you go for less. I know the NFLPA, there were reports that they were arguing that based off precedent, that anything more than six to eight games would be excessive. I don't know what precedent they're talking about because this is 24 sexual misconduct

cases. Yeah. So there is no precedent whatsoever for this. There's nothing close to it. Ever. Now, again, this is significant because it is the bulk of the cases. Yeah. But keep in mind, this was never a class action suit,

which is why four of these cases have not settled. So this wasn't some lump sum that was written to and now distributed. Each of these cases was an individual case that was going to have to go to civil court. So these four cases will still be ongoing. We don't know what the results of those cases will be. I'm imagining that they feel pretty good about it if they're choosing not to settle with Deshaun Watson in this situation,

and they're represented by the same attorney that the other 20 that did settle, they've taken that settlement. So this is a big deal. This is also significant because Deshaam was very adamant that he was not going to settle with anyone because he felt like that was going to clear his name.

So I don't, now I didn't agree with that sentiment, but if that's what you're going to put out there that you're clearing your name by not settling, I don't know what message you're sending by settling. I imagine that anyone around him was encouraging him to settle to at least take one step forward and moving on from this situation if it's not going to go criminal. Yeah, I do wonder if the league made a very not-so-subtle hint to Deshaun Watson and his attorney

to get it wrapped up because you got about a week or you're suspended for the season. Well, the other thing to keep in mind is there's no telling if he was to win these cases. What if he loses these cases? So if you're the league or you're anyone around DeShawn Watson, I know Deshawn was pushing forward to say like he didn't want to settle, but you could lose these cases. What happens if you lose? What is your argument against not getting suspended indefinitely

if you lose a sexual misconduct case or seven or 20 or 24? So if you settle, you're not, none of this is coming out now. It's all the settlement is private. The details of those suits are now private and it's done. but there's no telling that he wouldn't have lost these cases. And then where does it spiral from there? Now, those other four cases are still significant because they have decided to move forward. Yeah.

But 20 of the 24 women have settled with Deshawn Watson. So we'll now pivot to the Warriors who celebrated their fourth celebration, their fourth championship in eight seasons yesterday. Big victory parade in San Francisco. Have you ever gone to a championship parade? That's a great question. UNLV won a national championship when I cover. them and I think I covered a parade

a celebration, yes. I got to ride in the heat parade. Oh, you did. I did. You're a grand marshal of it or something? I was not the grand marshal of it or something? I was not the grand marshal. I believe that was LeBron. Dwayne Wade. But I did get to ride in the parade. It's pretty cool. Well, here's Steph Curry

talking and getting emotional after the parade. To know what we've all been through, what my brother went through for almost three years. What we went through as a team to try to re-tool, regroup, rejuvenate what we had

and just like taking snapshots to the last three years. All that came out when the final horn sounded just because you know it wasn't just the work we put in last week. It wasn't the work we put in a month ago. It was the work that we started, you know, once we changed

buildings and trying to carry that championship DNA with us. But that emotion was everything. Just letting it out, letting us know that we back. And then I got to the real question is what they're going to say now. Well, what they're going to say now is that you're spending too much money on your team. The team is going to cost $346 million in combined salaries and luxury taxes.

Kvon Looney, that's the player I'm not sure of because they have Wiseman behind him. And I do wonder, you can get 80% of that production without paying for it. So I think small ball is who they are. Draymond and Wiseman are their bigs. But they've moved, you know, if you go back to the Chicago Bulls teams, they moved through centers Will Purdue, Bill Cartwright, Luke Longley. You know, the Bulls were never built around the center. The Warriors have never been built around the big.

Yeah. So I could see them with Kvon Looney saying, listen, kid, you got rings. Go get paid. They love him. And he loves them. But I could see them saying, kid, go get paid. We're going to put you in our ring of honors someday. But you got to get, and that would be like how the Warriors would do it.

If Orlando came and paid him three times as much, just go get paid. I would get it. Yeah, I don't know if he's getting the ring of honor, but I do think they would support him and going to get paid. They have seven impending free agents from this year's roster, Kvonne Luni, Auto Porter Jr. and Gary Payton. Gary Payton and Otto Porter Jr. and Andrew Wiggins have all expressed their desire to return to the Warriors. Wiggins, yes. They currently have four players making max salary or coming fairly close, who are obviously Steph, Clay, Wiggins, and Draymond. and they want to keep the pieces together,

so it would be a projected payroll of about 506 million next season, 206 million in salaries, and 300 in luxury tax. Wow. Wow. Big old check to write. And that, if they do write that check,

people are going to be angry. Now, outside of Wiggins, remember, they've drafted and developed this roster. Oh, I don't want to hear it. Wiggins was available to everyone. Yeah.

None of you wanted him. Yeah. It was on the trash heap. Okay? It was a bus. It was a boss. It was awful. So I don't want to hear about any of it.

This is exactly how you should do business. Draft players develop them. And pay them. Win and pay them. I don't even think they should have to pay a luxury. You should not have to pay a luxury tax on a player that you drafted. I am for that or the very minimal penalty for it. If you go buy KD or Shaq, you should pay one and a half times their salary.

That should be punitive. It's not be punitive to pay the players that you drafted. But for a league to protect sort of the integrity of the sport is we don't want you just going in and buying players from all over the league. Sure. That's what people don't like what, NIL, the big schools can buy players. I get that. There's an argument to be made. So in the salary cap world, you get charged a salary and a half to buy KD.

But nothing is almost nothing is punitive for Steph, Clay, Draymond and Loney. Yeah, that's how it should be. How are you punishing people for paying players that you drafted? Isn't that exactly what you want teams to do? That's what Adam Silver. That's why the NBA has a, the team that can pay you the most money is always the team that drafted you.

They set that up so players wouldn't move. Yeah, for the max contract. So there's been some talk to the Lakers wouldn't want to give up any draft capital in a potential Russell Westbrook trade, but they might be willing to deal. first round picks for the right player. Oh, interesting. The ringers, Kevin O'Connor, suggested that the Lakers might have some interest

in trying to acquire another star. He said the one name that I've heard recently is Bradley Beale as another guy they want. I'm not sure if the interest is mutual. You know, Beal, it seems like Miami would be more of the threat to take him away from Washington. The Lakers are trying to angle for some moves like that using Russ

and the expiring 27 and 29 first. Now, there's other teams that could offer better packages to Washington as well. And it's really up. to be able. And he said he's already made his decision. So it's just a wait and see for everyone to find out what the deal actually is. Okay, memo to Laker fans who are in love with Anthony Davis. He shot 18% from three point land. LeBron created the second most three point opportunities in the league. So LeBron remains one of the great creators of open jumpers. You have Westbrook and AD. Neither can

shoot. So this is why I said yesterday. Forget Westbrook. Brooke, he's not in anybody's future plans. Anthony Davis takes courage to move him. You got a championship. He peaked four years ago, three to four years ago. That's the move. I would be shocked. Very few things can shock me anymore.

I would be shocked if the Lakers move. If you gave me Bradley Beale for Anthony Davis, I would have done it yesterday. Cross the board, not close. I don't think they're going to do that. They'll tell you who's running the organization. Joey Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. Now, I did suggest something yesterday. I said I would do a AD to the Nets, Kyrie to the Lakers. Nets would probably have to give them a draft pick because you never know when Kyrie is going to play. And, you know, I did see it make the rounds on the internet. So Nick Wright, a very reasonable person by any standard,

actually doubled down and then added some things to it. The trade is A.D. and Russ for Kyrie and Ben Simmons. So the best player in the trade goes to the Nets. The worst player in the trade goes to the Nets.

If you're the Lakers, Ben Simmons can play center. LeBron and Kire are reunited. If you are the Nets and you want to see if it can work with Russ, if there's any team that has enough shooting, it's a team that has Seth, Seth, Joe Harris, Patty Mills, and oh yeah, Kevin Durant.

And if it doesn't work, you can buy him out midway through the year or just let the contract expire. That is a trade brew that I think both teams have an all-hands-on-deck meeting for. Yeah. LeBron creates shots and has no shooters. Kyrie had his best three-point shooting year ever. He's not a declining player. Doesn't know a show up for work, but he's good when he's there. And Kevin Durant doesn't need another shooter.

The team's got plenty of shooters. he needs size and defense. That's what Anthony Davis brings. Makes sense. A lot of times, you know, it's people get together because it just fits. It's not ideal. These are organizations both in dire spots. I mean, you're three years into this KD. Kyrie thing.

It obviously isn't working. Right? So what are you going to do? Bring it back. Tell me about the vacation you're not going to take. That's all you keep doing with this thing. Makes a lot of sense. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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It's about who wants the story out. And for that, we bring in Chris Mannix. It's been covering this league for 20 years, Sports Illustrated. All right. So when you see Kyrie Impass, who wanted that story out, Chris, and who does it benefit? It feels like, and most people in the NBA talk to agree with this, that it's Kyrie's side that wants it out because it benefits Kyrie Irving the most. Kyrie is looking to create leverage. It's very clear that Brooklyn has drawn its line in the sand.

You knew that back in May when Sean Marks, the general manager, came out and said, look, we want guys that want to be here. We want guys that are committed to be here. He wasn't singling out Kyrie Irving, but everybody knew what he was talking to. And it's abundantly clear, as these contract talks have gone on, that the Nets have backed up their words with actually. that they're not willing to just hand Kyrie Irving a max level contract and say, come on back for the next four or five years with this team. So this to me feels like Kyrie's side trying to create some leverage, get other teams involved so the Nets panic.

If another team had a higher percentage to land, and we saw the Knicks, we saw the Clippers. Clippers have some interesting pieces. We saw the Lakers. Is there a team, Chris, that you go, well, that's... interesting. They could give you something in return that the Nets need. Well, look, I mean, could the NICs put together a package of players that might help support Kevin Durant and Ben Simmons and Joe Harris and the players they have there? Probably, you know, a Marcus Morris-centric package from L.A. could make some sense if you're a team like the Nets.

He's a versatile guy who's played multiple positions. I just, I just don't see it. In any Kyrie trade, you're getting back Nichols on the dollar from these teams that are acquiring. And frankly, unless Kyrie is willing to take a $10 million mid-level exception and effectively walk away from $25 million next year, the net still have a ton of leverage in this situation. Because the teams we're talking about, they can't sign Kyrie Irving outright. The Knicks can't sign him outright. The Lakers, the Clippers can't sign him outright. They'd have to get creative. And one thing to remember it all this, too, Colin, Kyrie is represented by his stepmother.

Like he doesn't have a traditional power agency behind him that can manufacture this type of deal, that can put together this type of deal in the same way that CIA or other agencies like Clutch potentially could. So I think Kyrie ultimately is going to have to make a decision. Does he take a lot less money to play elsewhere? or does he come to some kind of middle ground with the nets that brings him back to Brooklyn? You know, Lakers always get thrown out because Kyrie and LeBron played before. LeBron's in his 19th, 20th year, AD can't stay healthy. You know, Russell Westbrook is what he is.

He's a bounce around the league guy, hide his contract guy. Is it, I said yesterday, I said, there's not much that Brooklyn has that's of championship medal. They don't have Boston's commitment to defense. They don't have Boston's youth. They don't have Boston's coach, chemistry, bench. They don't have Milwaukee's size. They don't have a lot of things the Warriors have. I just don't see them.

To me, they could bridge some of those issues with one guy. They'd get bigger and better defensively with AD. They don't need another shooter. The Lakers are desperate for a shot maker because LeBron created the second most threes in the league last year I was told by David Fisdale the other day. It does make a little sense, doesn't it? It makes zero sense. And I said this to you off the air, and I'll say it to you right now.

Why is it that every trade that comes from our friend Nick Wright seems to benefit LeBron James? I don't understand it because that's a deal. The Lakers would embrace. You get another shot maker in Kyrie. You can rehabilitate Ben Simmons alongside his class. counterpart in LeBron, where he doesn't have to be the alpha on that team. He can live in Los Angeles where he probably wants to live anyway. I am not of the belief, Colin, that this

Nets team is going nowhere. Because while I agree with you, they lack the athleticism that you need to be a championship team. And they may lack the coach you need to be a championship team. We have not seen this Nets group at full strength. We have not seen them with a full season of Karee and Kevin Durant playing together. We have not seen them with a single minute of Ben Simmons playing alongside those guys. We have not seen them with Joe Harris and Seth Curry, two of the premier shooters in the NBA, both those guys, top five to 10 shooters in the NBA playing alongside that group. It's not easy to find athletes. They certainly need front court help to bolster that. But this is a team that if healthy going into next season, will be considered a championship

threat. And I don't know why you'd throw that away on a deal that brings you back Russell Westbrook on the off chance that on the fifth team that Westbrook is playing for in five years, he will be better in that situation because he would be rejoining a player who signed to get away from him in his prime. Like I don't understand why that makes any sense for Brooklyn. Joe and I have been talking about this. The revenue machine that is the Warriors, last week it was reported or we dug it up. They could make 700 million. this year. A healthy NBA franchise makes $250 million. I could see them moving off Kvon Looney. Is there resentment in the league in the machine that has become the warriors and their ability

to next year potentially pay upwards of $400 million between salary and tax? By the way, most teams refuse to pay a tax. Is there resentment in the league for what they're doing? Not really for a couple of reasons. One, there shouldn't be resentment because there are no mom and pop NBA ownership groups. All of these owners are billionaires of some level. So, you know, some of them exist in smaller markets, which therefore caps their revenue in a way. But none of these owners are hurting for money. All of these owners could do exactly what Golden State is doing, albeit not with the kind of return that Golden State is getting from a privately owned building like the Chase Center.

reason that there isn't resentment is that the warriors have done this in the post-Durant era with a roster that was constructed through drafting and shrewd trading. They weren't just a team that acquired stars via free agency. Durant inspired resentment in people across the league with Golden State, with him decided to go there outright as a free agent. But the core of this team all drafted, many of them with picks that were not obvious selections at that time. The Andrew Wiggins trade. 29 other teams, or 28 other teams, I guess, could have had Andrew Wiggins at any point. They were able to trade for him.

They got the pick that turned out to be Jonathan Kaminga back in return. So they have been able to build this thing organically. I would say the word, Colin, is more envy than it is anything else when it comes to what Golden State is doing right now. Celtics. Can Mark a smart duplicate that year? Robert Williams' knee hold up. How is Tatum above the head after a day? disappointing finals to many.

Do they look the same next year? I still contend they need a great slick. I don't think they handle the ball well. They need a ball handler on that team to run the offense, in my opinion. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am not here for the Marcus Smart Slander. I was the king of Marcus Smart Slander in October, November, and December. I hit him with a verbal two-by-four every night on the post-game show in Boston,

to the point where I know he knew what I was saying and he was annoyed by it. But since then, he has been excellent throughout the course of this season and the playoffs, excluding the finals. He was a solid ball handler. His shot selection improved. And the Celtics Colin were in the finals because they were a great defensive team. And they were a great defensive team in large part because of Marcus Smart. If you slid a better playmaker into that Marcus Smart slot, you're not going to be as good a defensive team.

And that's going to weaken you overall as a team. Marcus Smart is only 28 years old. This was his first full season playing point guard. I don't believe that he is going to come back the same or worse than he was this past season. I believe he's going to get better. He's going to grow into the position. And the point guard spot for Boston is and should be locked up for the foreseeable future. Where I do agree is that they need something.

And I think it's more a wing score type. They're high on Sam Houser in Boston. It was a great three-point shooter who didn't get a lot of run for the team this year. But if it's not him, they've got to go out and sign somebody with that exception that gets them the perimeter score that they need. They go nine or ten deep instead of just eight or nine deep. Chris Mannix. Great stuff as always. We'll talk soon, my friend.

You got it. All right. He is not here for the markers smart slander. I was talking to Nick Wright last night. I'm like, they need more ball handling. Nobody, like the Warriors just have a bunch of guys. Steph Curry and Jordan Poole. Draymond Green can handle the ball.

Andrew Wiggins, I got nothing but ball handlers. Boston teams like turnover. It's just. You can't argue for Boston. It's a mess. They were a disaster. They were an abject disaster. So we have Mark Few, the coach of Gonzaga, on next hour.

I'm going to, you know, there's, Steph Curry did not need a finals MVP to validate his influence or impact in basketball to me. I love his story from his dad to Davidson, whose coach just retired. I just love his story. I love him. I think he's the ideal star. Selfless can step aside. Dee Wade did this. And I never think we give stars enough credit.

D. Wade played with LeBron. about two weeks into practice, D. Wade said, I'm a step aside. You can do things I can't. You're a bigger version of me. And it's going to be your team. It may be my city, but it's your team. I think that is a, that's a big ask for a D-Waid or a Steph Curry when you get a LeBron or a KD. Shows how smart they are, their self-awareness. And that they care about winning. They care about winning. That still matters to me. So I'm going to talk about the most important players in the NBA in my life. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits,

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