The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Raiders, Miami, Murray, Warriors

Episode Date: July 21, 2022

The Raiders are great but they're the 4th best team in the AFC West Miami Hurricanes are getting rid of the turnover chain Cardinals and Kyler Murray agree on a new deal Teams like the Warriors are being punished for drafting well   Guest: Chris SimmsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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People start like lining up Fantasy football teams now Start making their future bets Is that where you're at right now? Yeah, a lot of futures being late I do like the Green Bay Packers, Colin. You do not as we will find out today Let's start with this

just because I like something more than your team doesn't mean I hate your team. And we live in this world now where if you just don't constantly lavish athletes with praise, you hate them. No, I like Kevin Durant. He's not LeBron. A little bit of a wanderer, but I like him a lot. Love him actually. And a Derek Carr came out, and it's interesting. he's very smart about this.

He's saying nobody likes this this year. And I don't believe that's true. They made the playoffs last year, and they're better this year. But I like the Chargers more, the Broncos more, and the Chiefs more. Think about how good this division is. It's pretty remarkable in my life. It's the greatest, most talented quarterback division ever, and it's not close. Mahomes is the highest passer-rating quarterback in league history.

Russell Wilson now at Denver has more wins by any quarterback in league history first 10 years. Justin Herbert is the most productive quarterback in league history after two years. He did it year one with arguably the worst O line in the league. And Derek Carr has more fourth quarter comebacks, even more than Brady since he entered the league, the most in the NFL. They have four top 10 quarterbacks in one division. The AFC South has none.

The NFC East has none in one year when Brady retired. the NFC South has none. The Raiders are really, really good. I believe in 2022 and the Rams are showing you the way. There are five positions you've got to be great at. And the Raiders are great at four. Quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, weapons. They're only missing in elite corner.

And they have pivoted now to a young, bright, offensive coach. But to really show you how great it is, because all of us acknowledge it's that Aaron Donald sack that sealed the Super Bowl for the Rams. That you've got to have a great quarterback and a competent offensive coach. But what you really need to is to be able to put pressure on all these great quarterbacks. Look at the current list of edge rushers in the AFC West. There's never been anything like this.

Max Crosby, Chandler Jones, Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Bradley Chubb, Randy Gregory, Chris Jones and Frank Clark, eight of the top 20. get to the quarterback guys in the league. So it's the best quarterback division of all time. There's never been four elite quarterbacks. Ever in my life, elite quarterbacks. And if you're still arguing about Derek Carr, who took that tire fire into the playoffs in the AFC,

the better conference, you don't get football. He has the most fourth quarter comebacks in the league since he entered, more than Stafford, more than Rogers, more than Brady, more than Mahomes, more than Allen, more than, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter how long they've been there. The most, more than Russell Wilson. Quarterbacks, edge rushers, left tackle weapons. Just because I like hamburgers more than pizza does not mean I hate pizza.

This is the best quarterback division. The Raiders could absolutely, I looked at it, this morning, I went division to division. I think they're good enough to win four divisions in the league. But I think they're the fourth most talented team in their own division. I'll take Denver to win it. Chiefs Chargers make the playoffs as wildcards and the Raiders finish fourth. And I still think they'd win four other divisions. All right.

So I saw something this morning that made me happy. Made me really happy. I've told you before, I think college football is better when Texas is good. USC is good and Miami is good. Miami makes people uncomfortable. I like that. Mario Cristobal has said, yeah, we're going to retire that turnover chain thing. Two words, thank God.

Miami was trying to create swagger and you can't fake it. You didn't have enough good players. So you tried to fake it and pretend you were cool. No, you used to be cool because you won games. That's why Joe Burrow is cool. He wins, and Baker Mayfield's not, he wins less and tries to be. The turnover chain is really quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Alabama didn't really need one.

They do take the ball away. Miami was a hundred and eighteenth in takeaways. That means San Jose State took the ball away more. I looked it up. Yukon, Central Michigan, Rutgers. Miami was celebrating this. Hey, we trail 27 to 10. There's a ball on the field.

Fall on it. Give me my chain. It was embarrassing. No city in America has more old guys trying to be cool that aren't than Miami. Mario Cristobal said, enough. You can't fake it. You know what cool is? And it's really hard in a lot of areas of life.

Like, in pop culture, I thought the word crunk was still cool. Lit. No. Between music, there's new social media platforms. Songs go from hot to out overnight. Platforms, cool to outdated. I mean, Facebook, it's just our grandparents on that thing. Now it's TikTok.

In a year, TikTok will be outdated. So it's hard. in a lot of areas of life. What's cool? What's hot? What's now? Hell if I know, I still say lit around the house. My kids ignore me.

But sports is easy. Winning is cool. That's why Joe Burrow is cooler than Justin Herbert. He's winning more. That's it. It's not his jacket, but you get to wear that when you win. Joe Burrow wears sun classes and like a Joe Namath jacket. It's totally cool.

it would not be nearly as cool if, say, of Daniel Jones War. You'd be like, whoa, not appropriate. That's just not going to work. So Mario Cristobal understands what cool is. Great recruiting. His teams are tough as a $2 steak, and they win a bunch of games at Oregon. And when Mario Cristobal was at Oregon, they were cool. And they went to Ohio State last year.

Did you see that game? Pushed Ohio State in Columbus, all over the field. That's cool. Not a lot of people do that. Push them all over the field. Three and a half hours. We all watched it.

Buckeye fans left that stadium like, the hell was that? Nobody does that to us. Your Oregon did. That was Cristobal. Recruit, toughness, win. Miami's got enough old guys wearing stuff trying to be cool.

You can't fake it. And this whole, we fell on a football San Jose State took the ball away more than Miami. And Miami at one point was really cool. But they were always the coolest when they would play an SEC team and kind of like not fear them. They'd play a Big Ten team and not fear them. And I'll be honest with you, I covered Mike Tyson.

You know the coolest thing about Mike Tyson is that he would wear a. ripped up hoodie and black trunks. It looked like workout gear. I thought it made Tyson tougher. Guys come in, they've got an entourage sometimes. They've got, I mean, you remember when Fury was fighting and they've got, you know, they're on this, they're on that, they're wearing this. Tyson would come in.

And he'd have like, it looked like trunks. He wore to the gym two days earlier. and a hoodie that he just ripped so he could breathe a little. That was intimidating. That was like, bro came to fight. Bro came to knock you out and go and leave in 20 minutes. Tyson was cool. Tyson was tough.

Tyson had swagger and wore nothing, nothing of expense. The more a boxer wears, he's trying to do hard. Let me see a fight. So congrats to mine. Miami. The rest of you programs can keep trying to be Miami, but just know this. When Miami gets it dialed up from the weather to Mario to the city, because Miami can be really cool. I mean, I've seen David Beckham in Miami. He looks cool. You can be cool in Miami. The minute you try to fake it, it is totally uncool. It made me so happy when I saw he's bailing on that thing. There's a lot going on. The Europolos market is officially real and live, and his agent, they're open for business. And by the way, why are these stories all leaking now? There's three different stories now that have been leaked ripping Westbrook from somebody inside the Lakers.

Why are they doing that? I think it's fairly obvious. That's around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by credible great rates, none of the bull. So, Joe Laker, sometimes you know you're going to get fined, but it's worth paying the price. You ever gone out, nice restaurant, there's no parking spaces,

and you park somewhere, and you know you're going to get a $20 ticket, but it's like, it's close to the restaurant, there's no parking space, is by the time you leave, it's dark out. You don't want to walk a mile to your car, and you're like, I'm going to pay $140 for dinner anyway. I'd rather pay $25 for a parking ticket.

So Joe Lacob knew he was going to get fined, and half a million dollars by the league is the equivalent of me getting a parking ticket. Joe Lacob, owner of the Warriors, doesn't like how punitive the luxury tax is. He was on a podcast in the NBA. The hardest thing of all is navigating this luxury. luxury tax, unfortunately. Obviously, the league wants everyone to have a chance. And right now, there's a certain element out there that believe, well, we quote, checkbook win. You know, we won the because we have the most salaries on our team. Right. The truth is, we're only

about 40 million more than, you know, than the luxury tax. And obviously it's self-serving for me to say this. But I think it's a fair unfair system because our team is built by all, top eight players are all drafted by this team. Joe Lakeb is right. There are four groups to me that really matter in the NBA. Let's start with fans. They watch the games and fill the stadiums. Fans are really important. Players, no league without the players.

Teams, you know, owners teams. They have the capital. They have the building and the league overall. You need your league to be healthy, viable. Why would you penalize any of those four groups? if you draft and develop your players, all four groups win. The fans win because ratings indicate

fans want you to draft develop players. They love Dame and Janus. They don't like all these guys that bounce around the league. Brooklyn's TV writings were garbage. So are the Lakers. So fans want you to draft, develop, and keep your stars. It's good for the players. Steph Curry doesn't have to buy a new house and move his family around and put his kids in different schools.

And his wife's got to start all over. They live in the bay. They're part of the bay. They give charities in the bay. Their kids can go to the same schools in the bay. It's better for the players to play for one team. It's good for the team. The ratings are good.

The merchandise is good. The team. It feels like you're all part of a family in Golden State. And it's good for the league. I mean, the league doesn't have to be anti-mobility, but everybody in the NBA knows. The Derek Jeter, the Kobe Bryant, the Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was really awesome in Chicago. It felt weird in Washington.

So the four key groups in this league, the fans, the players, the league, and the team slash owners, all win when you draft and develop. Why should that count against your luxury tax? Now, if you want to punish KD for wanting out, punish him. You want to punish Harden for quitting twice, punish him. Ben Simmons, punish him. Kyrie, Flaky, punish him. Why would you ever punish? Why can't more teams need to be like the Warriors?

Patient, draft and develop, coach their players hard, and then reward them handsomely when they're great. Why not make the luxury tax a person? percentage of non-homegrown players. Wiggins, that goes against the tax. Iggy, Bogot, KD, totally get it. Tax the heck out of them. So teams to bring in a new player or poach a player, they got to think about it. But if you draft and develop players, the players win, the fans win, the owner wins, the league wins. Why does Steph, Draymond and Clay, why do they count against the luxury tax?

The warriors are the model for how to do it right. They occasionally will go recruit a guy, then tax them for getting KD. I get that. But don't punish Golden State for being the model, the standard of the league. They are absolutely what you want the league to be. Be concerned about tanking. Be concerned about a third of this league that in week one, coming this year. They're not committed to winning. They're committed to getting draft picks.

Don't be concerned about the warriors. The warriors are the way you want to do it. They occasionally will go get a player, often a veteran guy who's smart enough to fit into their system, KD, Bogot, Wiggins, Iggy. But that's the exception to their rule. You're punishing somebody for acing the test. Don't love it. I think Joe Lakeb in this instance is right. And he knew he was going to get fined, but he wanted to be heard. They only went over 35 million in tax and pay 140 million luxury tax. That is way too punitive. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, let's start with the NBA. James Hardin's new deal details are out. Two years, $68.6 million. What's interesting

is he has a player option for year two. So James Harden, who will not be a top 20 guy salary-wise this coming season, can be a free agent next year. Colin, I kind of love this. He took less money so they could make some moves. Philadelphia's got a really good roster. Do you like what Hardin did? Well, my takeaway is that when he was a great player, he was paid like it. Now he's no longer an elite top 20 player, and he's not paid like it.

That's the way league should work. You should pay Hardin five years ago top of the league. You should pay Kobe, MJ in his prime, top of the league. Janus now should be highly compensated. When you get into trouble as a team or a league is when a guy who's not really a closer, you know, Westbrook in L.A., James Hardin now, I still don't have a problem paying KD.

Hardin should not be a top of the league salary guy. He's no longer a top of the league performance guy when it matters. And if it doesn't work out with Embed this year, you know, they flop or whatever, I don't think that'll be the case. He could just become a free agent and go wherever he wants next season. All right, Colin, second story, this one's kind of spicy. The Bucks have found their replacement for Rob Gronkowski. He has retired.

He said he's not taking Brady's calls. And that replacement is a gentleman by the name of Kyle Rudolph, former Notre Dame, tight end, spent 10 years in Minnesota. Last year, he was with the New York Giants. He was catching passes from Daniel Jones. Colin, what's the upgrade from Daniel Jones to Tom Brady? Is that like a Subaru to a Ferrari? I mean, geez, you've got to love this move for Tampa.

Well, it's got a Rams field to it. is we don't know how long you're going to play, like the OBJ thing, but we think you can help us in big spots. When you play with a really smart system, Brady's really smart, Russell Wilson's really smart, McVehan Stafford, a lot of times you can have a more talented young guy, but what you love is a veteran in situational football, Kyle Rudolph, three minutes to go, running down the field.

Kyle knows the game, he knows the league, he knows the coverages. So this is the classic one year to help Tom win player. he's a professional. He's not going to come around Miami, screw around. Yeah. All right. Love the signing for Tampa. All right, Colin, the final story here, I think this is probably crazy, but there are expectations that are very high for Mack Jones of New England

coming off his rookie season. I know you're laughing, but former Jets GM, Mike Tanabalm, is so confident in Mac Jones. He named the Patriots QB as his sneaky MVP pick, Colin, for the upcoming season. Let me just remind everybody, Josh McDaniel, left to New England, the offensive coordinator.

Do you know who their offensive coordinator is now? It is the two-headed monster of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. Neither who have an offensive background. Colin, Mac Jones, MVP, come on. No, not close. I believe he is the third to fourth most talented quarterback in his division. Alan, I think Zach Wilson's more talented. And I think I've said this before, is Mack Jones is a right-handed two-a.

I think they're very similar. Smaller than I like. Arms okay. Not off script. Smart, good at the podium. Say the right things. Nice leadership qualities. But if the play breaks down, the play is over.

You know, they really didn't meet their expectations last year. When you look at the numbers, they should have been a 12-win team. They weren't that. Then they get their doors blown off by Buffalo. Colin, there could be some big regression in New England this year. I think all three of their linebackers are gone. Their top cornerback is gone. They're not a playoff team.

Yeah, they're not going on the playoffs this year. Good stuff. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. Okay, you know, as America's honesty broker, I love Big J. journalism. Let's break the story.

It just happened. Arizona has rightly agreed to a five-year deal with Kyler Murray. It just happened officially. $230 million, $160 million guaranteed. He is now the second highest quarterback average salary behind Aaron at 46. Now, you say to yourself, whoa, folks, whoever signs the salary, it's the highest salary for six months. So by the end of the year or next year, it'll be the fourth, fifth highest salary, so on, so on. I don't have a problem with it.

Aaron makes $50 million guaranteed. Kyler's going to make 46. This is something I've been ranting on for three weeks. I read all these stories about Tyler Murray. Well, what's his ceiling? Well, who the hell knows what his ceiling is? We don't even know if he has the right coach yet. Here's what you have to ask yourself with elite talent.

I don't care if it's a talk show host. It's a singer. It's an actor. It's a quarterback. It's a star soccer player. This is why you have to pay them. What are you without them? Because we all know there's a limited number.

of great in America. 10% of real estate agents sell 80% of the homes. Find the industry. There's not a lot of great. There's a lot of average. Pretty good. Very good. There's not a lot of great.

So if you get somebody who's really, really talented and his numbers have gotten better three years in a row, that again in a tough division. That again with a head coach, many of you don't think is anything more than a glorified college coach. You pay him. I don't care what the salary is. Arizona is irrelevant in chaos and lousy without him. I don't worry too much.

To me, once you know somebody is great, get on the phone, get their agent, pay them early. Because the salaries are just going up. I was telling my wife this the other day. We had this discussion. And maybe it's just because we live in Los Angeles, which is just too expensive for everybody. I don't care if you're middle class or upper class. It's just too expensive. Everything's too expensive.

It's a beautiful city, but it's expensive. And I said, we just bought a house a year ago. And I said, go onrealtor.com. It looks like a year later, we got a steal for a house that we thought we paid a reasonable price for. Everything goes up. Everything. I just bought airline tickets for August. They're like double what they were a year ago.

Everything goes up. Kyler Murray at 46 million, five-year deal. In three years, you're going to look at that and go, oh, he's a sixth highest paid quarterback in the league. What is Arizona without him? I know what they were because it was three years ago. They were terrible. And in this league, Jay Glazer said this years ago,

and it is so spot on, what you don't want to do in this league is drive to the facility Monday through Friday or the stadium on Sunday, knowing you've got very little chance than win. If Kyler Marie's your quarterback, you can win every game potentially. Doesn't mean you will. But you know he can make plays. Others can't. He's the closest thing to Russell Wilson. He's even more elusive now than Russell is. Not quite as big. Maybe he doesn't read a defense. He's not as experienced. He's not as refined as Russell Wilson. But he's the closest thing to Russell in this

league. And Russell's going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. So Arizona got their guy. He locked him in. It means, it doesn't mean they're going to win the Super Bowl. It doesn't mean they're relevant, they're viable. They could win a Super Bowl. And that's the league. I talked about this yesterday. Well, what's their ceiling? Well, sealing has so many elements to it.

I mean, Matt Stafford, what was his ceiling? Did you know he was going to come to L.A.? And win the Super Bowl? You figured that out. You knew that. I mean, for years, we thought he was really good. Now we like, he's great. What if the next four years he wins another?

that's more than Aaron Rogers. So what is Matt Stafford's ceiling? Well, we didn't realize it until he got a legitimate organization. And so we really don't know. Do the Cardinals have a great owner? I don't know. Most think, no. Do they have a great coach?

There's an argument to be made. Shanahan's better in his division. McVeigh is better and Pete's better. They may have the fourth best coach in their division. Not saying they do? There's an argument out there. So they're relevant this morning. here we go.

I have them making the playoffs. I have them finishing second. I think they could win the division. I wouldn't be surprised. 160 million guaranteed. That's, you know, that's cartoon money. We don't know what that is. It's just a lot of money.

But 230 million, 160 million guaranteed. When I look at those numbers, I don't think it's outrageous. I mean, in the context of what we're paying people. You know, could you give him 300 million if he was never hurt? You know, I do think there's an argument that Arizona can make. that, hey, we're going to pay you early. You've got to give us a little break. We're paying you early.

And we are concerned a little bit. You've gotten dinged up a couple times. So I think I look at this and I don't see it as team unfriendly. I don't know if it qualifies as team friendly, but I think it's a pretty good deal for the Arizona Cardinals. It's obviously it's going to put Kyler. He's set for life. His whole family is.

But I look at this contract a little like I look at the Patrick Mahomes contract. It's not too punitive to the team. Chiefs are fine. Chiefs can go out and get players. Arizona's going to be fine. So I think anytime you get paid early, you take a little less usually. That's the deal. Mahomes took a little less instead of going to the market potentially. That's kind of the rule, right? You take a little bit less. And I think if Kyler would have waited a year, he could have gotten more. But in the end, he is a smaller athlete. He has been dinged up a couple times.

I think Kylo getting the money now is probably the smart play. Remember, even LeBron James knew. LeBron James for years and years took one-year contracts. Then LeBron started getting dinged up. And LeBron's like, oh, I'll stick around for a couple of years. And so I do think the injury thing here with Kyler is, I am a little smaller. I do run around, put myself in harm's way. I'm going to take the money early.

I think that's good by he and his agent. I'm going to take the money a little early. I think if I was Kyler's agent, I'd rather have the money now. Like Josh Allen, I can assure you, he's going to be around for a decade. game. If you told me, Kyler, play six more great years, seven shuts it down, Josh Allen's playing for Nerd 12. He's going to be Big Ben. He's going to be effective. There's going to be a long, long list. Now at the end, because Josh runs around and gets popped, it may not be pretty. But I think size, athlete style, take it now, little less. I don't know

if I'd qualify this as team friendly, but I think both sides win. How about that? Both sides today win. So, Colin, let me ask you real quick. The only quarterback left on the market now is Lamar Jackson. Okay, he's got an MVP. He's got more playoff wins than Kyler Murray. Is he going to get more than five for $230 million with $46 million a year? I would pay him a similar number, which is we do sense a little bit of regression, but in a division now with Deshawn Watson and Joe Burrow, if you don't have Lamar, I'll ask the question. What are you? In a division with Matt Stafford. I mean, look at the Arizona right now.

I got McVan the division. I got Shanahan in the division. I may have the third or fourth best coach. The one thing I know is Kyler Murray on any Sunday is the best quarterback in that division. There are Sundays that Kyler last year in the first seven weeks was the best player looked like in the league. Like he was insane. So I feel the same way about Lamar. What are the Ravens without him?

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We thought Jimmy Garoppolo officially on the trade market was a story today, and it just broke that Kyler Murray signed a new contract. I think it's reasonably team friendly, but it also pays Kyler half a million more than Deshawn Watson, so the quarterback market can be predictably petty. And with that, Chris Sims joins us. You know Chris. Eight years, Dad, Phil. He's on NBC NFL analyst.

Okay. So I'm kind of a believer. If you like something, buy it, you're not going to get the best price on good stuff, right? Like, you know if you go to a good restaurant, you're probably overpaying for the wine. If you have a nice house you want and you want to stay in it for 20 years, just pay for the house. And I look at Kyler Murray's contract and I'm like, Arizona was irrelevant without him. They're relevant with him. I don't even care what they pay.

I don't even know if you can overpay for Josh Allen or Kyler Murray, can you? Right. No, I don't think you can. You're right. I mean, you just, hey, you got something special. You know, you don't just throw that out the door or, you know, let that go down the river there to find something new. You don't. Kyler Murray, one, hey, he didn't have his best year last year.

We know that. He got injured and that kind of, you know, disrupted things, didn't play great at the end of the year. Are some things that we'd like to see him improve or be better on? Sure. But, man, he's got some elite traits about him that are special. I mean, we know that. And I think the other thing, too, to your point, Colin, and just why, you know, you don't let a guy like Kyler Murray, you're right.

We don't even care about the Arizona Cardinals before he got there. Now they're in the playoff conversation. And I think what also gave him a little more power in this conversation. And, you know, rightly so is, hey, you know, they formulated the team around him. They're playing a system and getting personnel that fits Kyler Murray. So they got to go forward with him. And I got no problem with that. He's super talented.

You know, he's got the type of talent to be in that top top five conversation. he's top 10-ish for me right now, not top five. But hey, he's still young and can improve. We know that. I mean, here's the way I look at Kyler. If you told me I got Kyler or Lamar, and I like Lamar, I'd take Kyler. I think he throws a better football. I think his baseball background like Russell Wilson, he's a beautiful slider.

He throws a perfect ball. The baseball stuff, Russell and Kyler, you can tell they played baseball from the way they avoid contact. They slide the drop ball. And I think there's about five young quarterbacks I love. love. And by five, I mean, you've been in the league like four years or less. Josh Allen, right, Herbert, Burrow, Kyler, and probably fifth would be Lamar. I don't count Mahomes now as a kid. He's got too many reps. So those are my five young guys. There could be more. We'll see

with Trevor Lawrence. But if I said today with you, Lamar, Kyler, choose one. Who would you choose? Oh, it's a tough one. I'd probably take Lamar right now at this moment. I would. You know, Not to say that, you know, necessarily, I don't believe that maybe Kyler could pass him up in the future. Here's my one issue with Kyler. And this is something, you know, when I go back down and do my quarterback rankings and do all that, I go back and watch. And we know some of the flaws of Kyler Murray. And I think this is what concerns me. Like, to your point, hey, yeah, there's some pure throwing that's better than Lamar.

I don't think Lamar gets quite enough credit for as good of pure throwers as he is. But here's the other thing I would say that I give Lamar a little bit of the advantage. of. Lamar's a bigger man. Lamar can play in the pocket better than Kyler Murray Kent. That concerns me. You know, again, Kyler, hey, he can feast against the poor, but when we've seen teams that have played them a little bit or have talented defensive lines and all of a sudden they figure out how to corral him and keep him in the pocket, that's what concerns me about Kyler. So even though Lamar's not stellar in that department, Lamar can move around, make awkward throws, and he's not as quick to get rid of the ball or be quite as antsy in the pocket when it does collapse as

Kyler. That's why I make him a slight advantage right now, Colin. The big story before this story at quarterback was Jimmy Garapolo appears to be throwing. The Niners are reportedly thrilled with it. He's on the market. And there's two things we know about quarterback in the NFL. By the end of this year, there'll be seven teams that need a quarterback. And half of the second thing we know is half the college quarterback's drafted in the first round don't work. and I look at Garapolo, and I think to myself, boy, the New York Giants make a lot of sense here. You know inside that building, that new staff isn't loyal to him. The Mara family is not even loyal.

They just want one more year. To me, you're not paying Daniel yet. Boy, in that division's not going to be terrible forever, Chris. I think I would bring Garoppolo in. If Daniel doesn't work, by the way, if he can't handle the Garoppolo pressure, he's not the anyway. I think the giant, I think the Giants work. Yeah, I get you. I mean, they got Tyrod Taylor there. I think the Giants wanted to work with Daniel Jones. He's got a lot of things to like about his skill set that are still franchise-ish traits, I think, where you can build a team around it.

Let's let's not forget this. With Daniel Jones, it hasn't been like he's been in one of the worst offensive lines in football. It's been the worst offensive line in football. It's not even freaking close the last three years. They can't do crap up front. So what's hard to play quarterback and really evaluate, in my opinion, what Daniel Jones is. To me, he's not the problem with the New York Giants of their offense. That's what I'll say. And Colin, what I would also say is, I really think Daniel Jones has a higher ceiling than Jimmy Garoppolo. I don't know what Jimmy Garapolo is. Jimmy Garoppel's solid. He's around the top 20-ish quarterback in football for me right now. He's not special. fortunate to be with two of the best offensive minds in the game and McDaniels and Shanahan,

who just serve up easy silver platter completions for him all the time. And Daniel Jones, to me, he's big. He's one of the best running quarterbacks in football. He does all the little things off the field, which Jimmy Garoppel also doesn't. You know, he's not the leader, Daniel Jones is. I think the Giants want to make it work. I think they also know they haven't given him a fair shake. So I don't see that happening. And I don't know. where the Garapolo thing's going to lead. I really don't. I'm very intrigued to see what team shows some real viable interest in him and tries to make a play for him with the guy, again, that I think the league has questions about how good he actually is, what kind of a leader is he,

and now he's coming off shoulder surgery? Man, that's where I just, I don't understand or I don't know. I guess I'm just a guess right now as far as Jimmy Garoppel and where he ends up. Now, I want to ask you a question. Three minutes left on college football and the N- I. It was created to be name image likeness. Now it's just buying high school guys. I mean, that's what it is now. That was the unintended consequence of creating it and the NCAA not being ready to handle it.

And Texas is one of the beneficiaries. Texas A&M. Oregon's got a rich booster. It's legal. Miami's got Ruiz. Some of these schools have a booster or two and they'll write the check. And today it's legal. It's not what it was intended to be, but it is what it is.

I am for player empowerment. How do we fix NIL so it's not just buying juniors out of high school? I know. I wish I had an answer for you, man. I do. You know, again, I'm all NFL. Of course, I'm always paying attention to football and all that. But, I mean, does it seem a little ridiculous to a guy like me right now?

Yeah. I mean, we're giving a million dollars to a guy where I go, damn, I don't even know if I didn't give that kid a scholarship to play on my college football team. He's getting a million dollars. This is unbelievable. So it is weird. I do think it's something that they got to fix because I think to your point, too, schools like Texas with the big money, the big boosters, all the billionaires,

it's only a matter of time before they get all these boosters involved. And they start writing checks and can maybe dominate the landscape. So there has to be something done to your point to where we got to help out. Even when I was in college, man, I had to buy a lot of meals for guys on the team. And thank God Phil Sims and Diana Sims, I had their credit card. because it was hard for some guys. A guy that came from nothing, you know, you can only get two meals, you've got to scrounge from the third,

and life just isn't as easy as you think it is for some of these scholarship athletes, especially the stars who are providing a lot of money for college. So I'm glad to see it giving back, but you're right, it seems a little out of whack to me. Well, you gave your parents props on the show, so you're a good son. That's what I know. Chris is always good seeing you.

You too, Colin. You're the man. Talk to you soon, buddy. Yeah, yeah. The NIL is Kirby, you know, Kirby Smart said something yesterday, which I totally disagree with. He said, you know, you can't give these kids, you know, you give a kid $125,000 and he's not going to be as hungry. Well, Steph Curry grew up with money. Kobe Bryant grew up with money.

Peyton Manning and Eli grew up with money. The idea that you have to be literally starving to have a chip on your shoulder, Tom Brady is almost a billionaire. Still got a chip on his shoulder. So the idea that if you give a kid a little bit of money, He won't be as hungry. Kirby Smart said, I wouldn't be the Georgia coach if you'd have paid me $125,000. Well, how do we know that? A lot of these coaches, by the way, grew up with successful parents.

They went to good schools. They had a head start. So I don't buy the NIL. Now, I think it's absurd that it's created for name image likeness, which means you're playing, your Tebow, you're Reggie Bush, your Johnny Mansell, your Baker, you have a brand. I don't think it was meant to pay high schoolers. what's the name, image and likeness?

But I don't think that paying them will make them less hungry. Now, some it will, but I mean, Mike Shosheshefsky had a 10-year contract at the end at Duke. He was still the feistyest guy in college basketball. Listen, people are either hungry or they're not. There are poor kids that aren't hungry. They don't want to be something great. They just want to live in the moment. And there are rich kids that are the same way.

Some people are really driven. I don't think there's any socioeconomic connection between if you get 100,000 early or don't. I'll argue this. The NIL actually will create fewer broke pro athletes because they'll get a taste of money very early. It's why I give my kids an allowance. So they get used to having to budget it. And so if a kid blows through his college money, by the time he gets to the pros, he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that stuff runs out fast. I'm going to be more responsible.

I think there's a benefit to the NIL long term to the athletes. athlete. He has to budget money earlier in his life, preparing him, isn't that what college is for, for a pro contract? Hour two next. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and headwriter Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

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