The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Rodgers, Brady, LeBron

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

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Joy Taylor, who was on another European vacation, maybe a Mexican vacation. I lose track. She has more sky miles than anybody in America. actually she went to a beautiful resort south of our border. It looks amazing. I saw your pictures this morning. It was great. It was much needed.

We had a very long, a longer football season than we normally do. And an exhausting one with all the Aaron Rogers drama. Which is a good transition, Colin, into what I believe will be our first topic today. Well, I'll start for this. Aaron Rogers sent out a very nice Instagram post last night with a lot of heart. and it read like one of those hallmark posters and gratitude and love and wine is for the soul. So get drunk on it. And, you know, it was one of those things.

And, oh, mysterious. I've said this before. I have nothing in common with Aaron Rogers. He doesn't get along with his parents. Or as far as I can tell his brother, never married, no kids, doesn't have a pet. I take incredible pride on being self-reliant. I couldn't tell you the last meeting I had. I've been here six years.

I couldn't tell you the last time I saw my bosses. he's arguing with his every offseason. So I can't get into his head. I don't generally if you tell people you love him, you don't bail on him 10 minutes later. What do I know? No, I doubt, I will say this, I doubt the Packers know what he's doing yet.

I think they have a press conference tomorrow, but that's pre-combine. They do that annually. And I think Aaron would like to control the announcement. It's hard to keep a secret with Aaron Rogers, especially in Green Bay. Also, he's on the Sirius XM every week or most weeks with Pat McAfee and today he's on, so he likes to drum up business on that. My hunch has always been he would

return to Green Bay for a lot of reasons. He's got power there. There is no owner. He's got a young offensive coach. The division is absolutely awful. Devante Adams, you know, Aaron Jones. He's got star players around him. Brady's now retired, so we think, so the NFC is just wide open. Plus, you know, this isn't discussed a lot. In one more season, he's a free agent. He can move like Brady did. Right now he could not. So my hunch has always been he'd be back. And plus, when you read the Instagram post, it's too long to put on the air. He likes a lot of stuff about Green Bay.

He likes his left tackle, David Bakhtiari, the coach, the players. There's a lot to like about Green Bay. You can hide a little bit in Green Bay. You don't have the press over you all the time. He's got a bunch of pictures and everybody's trying to figure out what the pictures mean. And what I find really entertaining about this whole thing, it is very much reminiscent of Brett Farve. A lot of drama toward the end. The difference is Aaron Rogers was the backup to Farve and everybody knew he could play. Jordan Love is the backup to Aaron Rogers and nobody thinks he can.

So there's really some pressure on Green Bay to get this puppy right. When Brett walked out the door, everybody in the building knew Aaron's really good. Right now nobody in Green Bay is saying that about Jordan Love from as far as I can tell. But I was thinking about this as I drove in this morning. There's this weird syndrome. I don't know if you've read about it. They call it the Havana syndrome where we've sent government officials to, you know, other countries. And in Havana, there was a hotel. And our government officials came back and they were sick multiple times. And nobody can figure out the illness.

It's a mystery illness. And they've called it the Havana syndrome. It's all over. You can go search it. Google it. I always call this, Fav and Aaron Rogers, the Green Bay quarterback syndrome. You know, it's the same without the sickness part, is that there's a reason far from the south, good old boy. and Aaron Rogers, no-cowel hipster, connected to Hollywood, have become the same guy.

It's the Green Bay quarterback syndrome. Because you have no owner and because you don't get free agents, they're not interested in being there, you're not only the franchise quarterback, you're the franchise, beginning, middle, and end. And Green Bay is unique. The trophy for the Super Bowl is named after your former coach. The town is called Title Town. and you win the division every year because the Bears, lions are almost always dysfunctional, and the Vikings are good but never a Super Bowl winner.

And so it's a really weird dynamic where you don't have an owner, Jerry Jones, and in 2022, the world's changed. You need owners. I mean, Stan Cronky is the reason that Matt Stafford, OBJ, and von Miller are Rams. They give up picks. They called Stan Cronkey. He got it done. Like, owners matter.

to get on the phone, let's make a move. Green Bay doesn't have one, so they're a little bit of an outdated model. They're the post office, as I've joked before. They don't get free agents. Well, the Super Bowl champ went out and spent money on free agents or gave away draft picks. And so you have the expectations to win. It's Title Town, the LaBardi Trophy, you win your division, your MVP.

But you're really not built to win in today's pro sports environment where mobility, free agents, an owner can be huge, huge, forget benefits, huge advantages. Stan Cronkey is the reason Matt Stafford's here. That would be hard to pull off without an owner. You'd have to have multiple meetings. You'd have to go to the board in Green Bay, but that time he's off to somebody else. And so I think it's a very unique situation. And at the end of regular seasons, Farr of Aaron Rogers, once again can win MVPs

and dominate the division, have the passer rating, and no title. One for both. And so I think it creates the Green Bay Packer quarterback syndrome. They're not really built to win Super Bowls in 2020 and beyond. They're not. You need an owner. You need free agents. The margins are slim.

Vaughn Miller ended up being massively important. You can argue they do not win some of those playoff games without Von Miller. OBJ was huge in the first half in the Super Bowl. Big against Tampa. And so I have no idea what Aaron's going to do. My hunch has always been that he will stay. He wants to feel loved. There was a lot of hearts, very hallmarky card.

He wants to be loved. And I think he is, despite his drama, loved in Green Bay. All right. So, you know, the first few days, NFL season's over, right? College basketball, March Madness a few weeks away. this has always been sort of a dead zone in our business NFL free agency starts you know in earnest in a couple of weeks March has always been an underrated month for us March madness NFL free agency quarterbacks moving I love March I think March is a great month for sports February after the Super Bowl that's why the Super Bowl is a week later is actually good for us it's instead of three to four weeks of death valley it's like two to three weeks

and this this week is particularly hard because the NBA All-Star game takes place so they stop playing NBA games on Thursday and they don't play on Monday, Tuesday, so you sit there kind of in the dead zone. So I thought it was kind of funny when LeBron and MJ hugged during the All-Star game. I'm like, oh, good. That's like three days of content right there. I can do more Michael and LeBron debate stuff. And, you know, it is interesting. In fairness to LeBron, it's a different time. LeBron's never going to be as popular as Michael Jordan. The NFL is way bigger now that it was in Michael Jordan's era. The most beloved Olympic team ever is the dream team. That was Michael. It was new and fresh.

Every game is on television. Now, Michael Games felt bigger. I mean, Michael Jordan's brand last year made $4.7 billion. LeBron James brand, which is huge, made like $700 million. I mean, today, Michael Jordan's brand like seven times bigger than LeBron. And that's not, there's nothing LeBron can do about that. He could have stayed totally out of politics. It doesn't matter.

It is a different time. It's just a completely different time. Michael, it just felt bigger. You didn't have Instagram. You didn't have Twitter. When you saw him, it was rare. I can remember Michael Jordan. I worked in Portland.

Oh, Michael Jordan's coming to town. You knew it two weeks out. We're going to get that interview. Like, you see LeBron all the time. What he's having for lunch? What he's having for dinners? Taco Tuesday at the house. Just a different world.

And I also think it's harder to compare the two because, I mean, LeBron's just playing so long now. Like athletes now, they play longer. As long as you take care of your body, the food's better, the training's better, the nutrition's better, the travel's easier, the practices are rare. LeBron's going to play for her five years. The second thing is the 80s NBA and today's NBA feel so different. It's much more European.

The Europeans are better now. There's more three-point shooting. You can't tackle players as much as you did in the 80s. Now, I will say this. Michael would score more points today if he played. He'd probably average 37 points a game because you can't hand-check people. You'd never keep Michael in front of you. People didn't have much success doing it then.

you'd never do it now, Michael would score more now. Michael also would not be nearly as dominant defensively, although he would be great because he's so long and athletic and twitchy, but you can't keep John Morant in front of you? Forget it. Nobody can. Give me a break. You can't touch anybody.

It's hard to keep Chris Paul in front you, and he's like 40. The second thing is LeBron would be dominant back in Michael's era. Folks, Carl Malone averaged 28 a game. Carl Malone was a multiple-time MVP. He's not in LeBron's athletic galaxy. He's not even close to LeBron. It's not as big, as strong, as fast, the ball handling, the passing. And Carl Malone was dominant.

I covered him. He was dominant. They would both be great. And it's interesting, whenever you get into this, who's great and who's greater, let me ask you this. A minute 30 to go. Brady or Aaron Rogers, who would you take? It's not even close.

Every single one of you that doesn't live in Wisconsin, said Brady. That's always been who's better. the one thing Michael has, and it's indisputable. A minute 30 left. Because you know if Michael's teams face LeBron's best teams. Michael, his team struggled at times with the Phoenix Suns that were never a dynasty and the Sonics and the Utah Jazz a couple of times. Those teams didn't even win titles.

You take LeBron's best team in Miami. Games would be close with Chicago. LeBron's best team in Cleveland. You know, it'd be close. The NBA finals, they're always close. The games are all very few sweeps. So in those close games with a minute 30 left, who would you take? And I always thought Michael Jordan's best argument is, I'd take Michael.

He's a better free throw shooter, a better on-ball defender, and a better mid-range player. I'd take Michael. Now, stats, volume, ball handling, passing. I don't want either passing. Late, minute 30 left, overtime, fourth quarter, I take Michael. Those games are all close. Michael's games were all close. Michael was better at the line.

he was a better on-ball defender, and he was the best mid-range player ever. So when people get into this who's better, I don't know that you can't compare these two. But I will say that's always been Brady's great advantage over a lot of his contemporaries. Big Ben, Drew Breeze, Peyton Manning, I'll take Brady late. When you have all these great people, the best people in any industry are at their best in crisis. It was always the difference between Jeter and A-Rod. They're both great. A-Rod's more talented.

who would you take two on, two out ninth inning in the playoff game? You take Jeter. So therefore, to me, Jeter's greater. Because they're both great. They both get to the playoffs. They're both fantastic. They're both Hall of Fame talents. So it always comes down to Michael, LeBron, Brady, Aaron Rogers, Jeter, and A-Rall.

You compete. Who's better in crisis? Because most of these world championships in all these sports, it comes down to game six. A lot of times it's not game seven. There's a lot of game sixes. Who do you want? That's always been to me, MJ's best argument. By the way, Antoine Walker was just making Nick Wright's head spin this morning.

It was just totally entertaining driving to work. He had this to say. If you want to go with the eye test, it's Michael Jordan real easy. A better clutch performer for game winning shots. If he gets fouled late in the games, he's going to make his free throws with the game on the line. And nobody can score the basketball like Michael's school. I think Nick Wright at that point walked out of the building. He could not contain himself at that point.

But I just like to thank Aaron Rogers for content on one of the slower days of the year. And Michael and LeBron for hugging. I was just like, boom, let's take four segments right there. It's fantastic. I'm going to send out a hard emoji and all that stuff later today, I think, just to thank everybody for two or three of the slowest days of the year we got stuff to talk about. There is also a story. I don't get it.

It's totally gaining steam. I don't get it. I don't agree with it. It doesn't make sense to me. But it is gaining steam from people, some people at least, that generally are accurate. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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So sometimes stories happen, and I don't really get them. I can remember when Kevin Durant, there were rumors he was going to go to the Warriors. And I'm like, Clay and Steph, and he's different. And there's one basketball. It happened. They won title. So sometimes you get surprised by stuff. I think it caught a lot of people, including Adam Silver off guard when that happened.

There are a lot of people now, and it's being discussed a lot. Steve Young, Joe Montana talking about Tray Lance. He's not ready. another story yesterday, PFT Live. Tom Brady, people think he's going to San Francisco. Ian O'Connor, very smart, respected New York Post columnist told me on my podcast the other day. I would be shocked if he doesn't go to San Francisco. It's so generally, there's an order to things. I get up in the morning, I have a coffee, read the news for 20 minutes, get dress, go to work.

There's an order, right? For unhappy quarterbacks, the order is you express frustration with the front office. You call your agent and talk to him. Then a couple days later, you request the trade. If that fails, your agent leaks something to the press to put pressure on the team. And then if that fails, then you threaten to retire. And that's the order of things. The order isn't, I'm going to retire.

and two weeks later, just kidding, I'm going to go play for the Niners. What? Excuse me? So Brady retires. Stories come out that he's not particularly happy at the end, which Bruce Ariens refutes. And now I'm supposed to believe the most prepared detail athlete of my life is just going to throw a haymaker out there and come out of retirement. It makes no sense. Tom Brady would go six to seven months a year without a beer or a strawberry. And now, two, three weeks after retiring, he's lost.

all discipline. He's just frantic at home, bailing water, bored out of his mind, can't get it together, got to be back, desperate. I just doesn't feel anything like Brady. It's so weird and clunky and off-brand for a meticulously prepared and detailed person. Now, I will say, the Buccaneers own his rights. And so if San Francisco said, hey, we'll give you Garapolo, I mean, because they don't have a quarterback. Like maybe you could appease the Buccaneers if you could get a starting quarterback. I don't know. But, you know, this is one of these stories.

And Kevin Durant to the Warriors, I didn't see it coming. This feels off-brand. It feels weird. Thomas tends to be meticulous and not ever impulsive, never, ever desperate. NFC West is really hard. I think Shanahan's offense, usually everybody's better in year two. I do think Kyle and Belichick have some personality, similarities, intense, very little interest in the media. Not necessarily Belichick's offense wasn't quarterback-centric, although it was important.

San Francisco's offense isn't really quarterback-centric. Tom could come in, 27 attempts, 20 to 27. You know, it's not Bruce Ariens, down the field, interceptions, pick-sixes, don't risk it, no biscuit. that's the exact opposite of Shanahan's offense. So it would be a very easy offense for a veteran quarterback who likes efficiency to work. But this story to me doesn't make a ton of sense. Joy Taylor, with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Nick Sabin is 70 years old, but he's not showing any signs of slowing down. He was asked recently if he's thinking about retiring from coaching, and he quickly shut down any speculation about that. He said, everyone asks me when I'm going to retire. Retire for what? I'm going to jump into an empty abyss of what am I going to do?

Because the very challenges that I talk about and the things in our profession that concern me for you and for me both in your game and in our game, that's what keeps me going. That's why I get up every day. Why would you quit doing that? I watched a documentary last night on Carl Icahn. He's kind of a legendary corporate advocate, maybe a corporate raider. You know, he always had kind of a negative stigma around him. He'd go into companies and tear him down and make a bunch of money, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whatever you think of him, he's like 85 years old, beautiful wife, great family.

But he was talking last night and I'm watching the documentary. It's like, I like to compete. That's why I like to compete. You never lose. Have you ever competitive at 28? Yeah, you're always competitive. You're not going to play bridge for seven hours a day at a country club. That's not who you are.

Right. But depending on what your choice of profession is, your... your ability to compete might not be within your control, which is what happens with professional athletes. Because eventually you're going to age out of your ability to compete at whatever it is you're competing at. So you might get into coaching so that you can still compete. Or you might transition into something like golf. So you still have that, you know, ability to stretch that competitive muscle without being, you know, playing in some league that is embarrassing or whatever. But if you're Nick Saban, I don't know that you necessarily age out of coaching.

Like eventually he is going to be too old. Yes, to coach. We know that. But at 70, I don't feel like that's the case. He doesn't feel 70. I had an agent that said this once. When 8 is the first number, it's time to go. You can see cognitive decline.

Right. But Vince Scully was in his 80s doing play by play. I live in Los Angeles. I had listened to him. He was still very strong. strong. Yeah, the age is a number for different people. Right. Like somebody's 70, somebody else is 70 might not be Nick Saban's 70. Yeah, like his, and like I said this about Harbaugh last week, he's 58. Well, he's a former athlete.

So if you see Jim with his shirt off, he's in great shape. And he's athletic and a beautiful wife, very active guy, right? He's got at minimum 25 years of coaching left. I mean, if he wanted to coach him was 79 years old, like that's 21 years. totally see it. He is just wired to work and do things and think and compete until he's 75 years old. But there's certain people, it's kind of similar to the Tom Brady retirement thing.

I just got out of the predicting when Tom Brady was going to retire. He's just going to let us know when he's ready to retire. I don't need to see the decline. I'm probably not going to see the decline. And I feel like that's probably the same way that it will be with Sabin. He agreed to a contract

extension with Bama through 2028. So I imagine he'll coach through that contract. He wants to stay in the SEC so when Oklahoma and Texas get there, he can prove you made a huge error in judgment entering our conference. Well, he's been a college football head coach for 26 seasons, the last 15 seasons, 15 seasons with Alabama. It doesn't seem that long. 15 seasons with Alabama.

I mean, look, he's going to go down as the greatest college football head coach ever. Yes. And this is what he does. I don't know. I can see there's certain people. You'd be like, what are you thinking about? Look at him right there. Does he look old?

He looks fantastic for 70. Honest to God. I'm also not going to be the person that asks Nick Saban when he's going to retire. I feel like that's going to get a pretty snippy response every time. Every time I hear him at a podium, I mean, he is one of the best looking 70-year-old guys in America. Who looks like that at 70? Yeah, I don't know. This is kind of a strange story to me because I don't even think about Nick Saban retiring.

Like, I think it would be shocking if he was to announce. his retirement. Wouldn't that feel a little abrupt? I feel like he has coaching. I don't even think he takes naps. Like at 70, you all be asleep from one to four. Listen. I don't even think. The amount of napping that I do now when I'm old, if you can catch me for a good two hours a day. Yeah.

When I'm old, it's going to be great for you. I take naps next to my dog. Sometimes I go to, I go, I fall asleep sooner and and there, I get up. They're already out playing. I'm beating my dogs on naps. So, I mean, forget. I mean, at 70, I'm not going to be Nick Saban. I'm definitely going to be napping.

Well, another coach that is in the news for different reasons. Michigan basketball coach Juan Howard has been suspended for the remainder of the regular season. Five games. Yes, it's five games. It sounds more dramatic when you say the remainder of the seasons. That was my guess. Five games. He was also fined $40,000 for hitting a Wisconsin assistant coach after their game on Sunday.

At this point, everyone's probably seen the video. Following the suspension, you know, he has released. an apology that read in part. After taking time to reflect on all that happens, I realized how unacceptable both my actions and words were and how they affected so many. I'm truly sorry. I speak a lot about being a Michigan man

representing the university with class and pride. I did not do that, nor did I set the right example in the right way for my student athletes. This mistake will never happen again. He's always been, Joanne was known in the Fab Five. He was known as the nice guy in the Fab Five. He was the friendly guy, the peacemaker. So, listen, regardless of what you think of the whole thing, like, these college rivalries are, it's intense.

And I said this yesterday, Joy, college coaches, unlike pro coaches, have so much power. They fall prey to being like egomaniacs. Like, if you give anybody ultimate power. Yeah, I mean, eventually ultimate power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And I think Joanna has had a reputation of like the gentleman of the fab, five, the reasonable one, and he's had now two little altercations. And I think it's intense. It's the big ten. Somebody got in his kitchen. Somebody grabbed him. There's a lot of pressure with being the coach of Michigan. And not just any coach of Michigan. You're Juan Howard,

the coach of Michigan. Like there's, there's extra intense pressure there. I mean, look, I haven't seen, I've seen people defending and like people are overreacting to what happened here. Like, yeah, it's a really bad scene and you can't do that, especially as a college coach. I actually don't know that the reaction would have been the same if it was a professional coach. I think because you're dealing with student athletes, there's a certain extra level of responsibility I totally agree as a head coach to not put yourself in this situation.

It was a really bad look. And he's, you know, of course he was going to apologize. I think that the punishment is appropriate as well. That's what it felt like to me, five games. Yes. I'm not firing people. And people have to stop being so dramatic about everything in life. It's, listen, nobody thinks this was a good idea or a good scene or the right thing to do.

But punishments have to fit the crime. You know, you got to be reasonable here. And also, why are we doing handshake lines? Are we still doing that? I think coaches like it. Do they? I think they do.

Tom Izzo went on yesterday. I think they, I don't really care. I mean, it's something I don't, you know, in soccer, you exchange jerseys. Hockey does it, I mean, which hockey is amazing because guys beat each of her brains in. And then three minutes later, they're shaking hands on the ice. So I think coaches, I think coaches like it. It does. I mean, I did it in high school basketball.

Right. Yeah, high school. It wasn't the best idea in high school either, if I recall correctly. So over the weekend, the NFL announced that there will be bubble restrictions during the combine next week. And prospects would be confined to secure venues. We're only allowed one medical support person to join them. And they would be disqualified from participating if they violated any of these protocols. So many of the players were unhappy with the guidelines.

And agents of more than 150 prospects were planning to announce a boycott on Monday. So the NFL announced yesterday they will amend the protocols. Players are still encouraged to remember. remain in the combine venues, but they can leave during their free time at their own risk. And they can also bring their approved medical personnel into the secure areas as long as they also follow proper procedures. So basically your trainer is what they're talking about when they're bringing the medical personnel.

There is something that is percolating in regards to combines. There is a feeling among agents and players is I can never help myself here. I always get hurt. Which I disagree. I mean, I can remember Vernon Davis, Maryland tight end. going to the combine. Everybody's like, we may consider him as the top pick. I absolutely agree with you that there's value. Everyone doesn't have value at the combine.

There are certain players that if you throw, you can only make things worse for yourself. Some quarterbacks just won't go. Won't go. You don't need to run another 40. There are certain things you don't need to do if you're a certain level of prospect. But the combine absolutely helps fringe guys, guys from smaller schools, guys that haven't been in front of these scouts before. We've seen the interviews. No, I think it helps.

And I think that the, you're hearing now a lot of, you can't do anything but hurt your standing. I don't buy that in life. I think we were talking about this last week or the week before. Even if I knew I wasn't getting a job, I'd go for the interview. Sure. Just I want to be in front of people. I want to blow you away in the interview. So even if you're not hiring me, I walk out and you go like, damn, are we making a mistake here?

He was a great interview. Right. Or your name could pop up in another room in the future or that person could have another job. hiring in a different place in the future. You never know. The secret to the combine, what doesn't get talked about, it's really where a lot of deals are done between NFL people. There's this whole Kirk Cousins rumor.

What the combine's known for is you get to kind of look. You measure the guys against themselves, and there is a lot. There are deals done over bourbon and indie. So that's that part. That's why you don't. as a fan or a media member, you do not want to eliminate the combine.

A lot of business gets done here. Well, that ends. You're seeing how players interact with each other. Like, you've heard stories before where, oh, this guy's leading this position group. You can tell he's a leader or he's a little more quiet. And the body language that you're going to see from scouts and personnel, watching the players is important as well.

So I don't think that there's no value to the combine. For certain players, certainly. Yeah. But overall, it really helps. a lot of guys. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. I mean, you know, you were talking about age and Nick Saban. Think about this. How old were Trump and Biden running for president? Like, that's the hardest job in America.

Not young. I am, I was telling my wife this not long ago. Can we just have one election where somebody's age starts with a four? Is there anybody at 40 that can run? It's nothing against. Anybody that's 40 that, you know, can run is running a business and making millions of dollars and not having to make decisions for an entire country and, you know, things that affect the world. Like, what happened? It's just everybody. That's what happened. Is that there's, you could go into tech and run a tech company, be a CEO and go to Aspen for four weeks and take Zoom calls rather than running the country.

What do you want to do? I think you're right. I think the candidates? I don't want to run the country. Who? You think Jeff Bezos wants the headache? He's on a yacht. He's taking down bridges to build yachts.

Yes. He's not doing that. Why? Why would he? That's a great point. It's a great life. It's a terrible life being president. Yes.

I, yes. Like the, forget the pressure and the security measures and, you know, the history and the constant judging and the social media reaction to everything and all of it, just for you. You're also doing that for your family. Ugh. Gross. And then you're like your family's family. Every day, every second of every day.

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Three Super Bowl rings. What is the, I mean, I think he stays in Green Bay, but what is the feeling there? What is the feeling this morning on Aaron to the Broncos? People are like, hey, man, either, you know, drop a load or get off the pot for crying out loud. At least tell us what you're going to do. Quit being cryptic. Like, I think there are a lot of people that are really excited about the potential of Aaron Rogers. And then there are a lot of people, Colin, that look at Aaron Rogers and say, well, that's a two-year fix.

And then what? You know, they want that young quarterback. That's somebody you can build a team around for the next. 15 years. And, you know, I mean, that's what they thought they were getting with the Jets and Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield in Cleveland or Josh Rosen in Arizona, you know, or, you know, Mitchell Trebisky in Chicago. Like, that is not a foolproof situation. So I'm one of those guys that I'll trade away unknown commodities for a known commodity, even if it's only for a few years in order to win a championship. You think they regret it in Tampa Bay? And I know he wasn't

tradable. I know Tom Brady was a free agent, but you know what I'm saying. So I think, I think for the most part, people would love to see Aaron Rogers in Denver Orange. Well, it's interesting. We've said this, is that there are teams, and I think Denver is the team in the league that with the right quarterback could win the Super Bowl. They could go from average to below average to Super Bowl, and I felt that with Tampa and Tom Brady. Like, they just needed a quarterback. What is the option if Aaron doesn't sign? Like, what's Denver's second choice? Yeah, based on, you know, just based on a gut feeling for me and, you know, I still have some ties within the organization, but the gut feeling for me is that this is one of those situations

where they're going to continue to build this roster under George Payton, former assistant general manager of Minnesota, continue to build the roster, and then go after a veteran established quarterback. You know, whether it's a Jimmy Garoppel. see if there's a trade available for a Kirk Cousins. What is that next-tier quarterback? And, you know, I think that's the direction to go. And Aaron Rogers, the next tier of guys, and then, you know, and then figure out if you're going to go for a, you know, a bridge quarterback

and try to draft somebody if you still think that Drew Locke's career is salvageable based upon the offense that you're bringing back to Denver. Remember, when he was under this offense back in Vic Fangio's first year, under offense coordinator, Rich Skangarello, who was an assistant to Kyle Shanahan, went back to San Francisco. Oh, Drew Locke played fairly well. He was 4-1 as a starter. So you're bringing that offense back.

And maybe you feel like, man, under that offense, under that influence of Nathaniel Hackett, you know, there's some potential growth here for Drew Locke. Yeah. You know, you sat down with Brady this year. I don't buy the 49er stuff. He's very prepared and detailed. I, it just doesn't feel like he'd retire, then unretired. That's just not, right.

I mean, the guy doesn't drink a beer for seven months. I just think when he retired, it's over. But, you know, he goes on his podcast and says, you know, I'm open to stuff. Would you be shocked if Tom came out and was a nineer? He's from there. Yeah, I would. I would. Like, I don't see him, like Aaron Rogers, I see as a mercurial guy.

I don't, I see Tom Brady as a completely detailed. well thought out. This was not something that was just spur of the moment. And then I get the people that say, well, you know, the relationship soured between he and Bruce Ariens. And let me tell you, if you play for Bruce Ariens, there's no virgin meat on your putt. It has all been chewed regardless of who you are. So I don't look at it like, man, my feelings got hurt and things went, you know, things went sideways. I mean, that happens during the course of a season. But I just look at him is so detailed and him so planned out. You know, now maybe a year away from football and he decides, hey, man, I can still play.

I've been keeping in shape. I want another opportunity. Maybe there's a chance. But I don't see him walking away from Tampa, you know, after a playoff run and saying, you know, I'm going to go over to San Francisco and see how that works out. I just, I don't buy that. I just think he's too detailed for that. By the way, the Rams lost their OC coach of the Vikings.

and then he hired another RAM assistant to be his OC. So they lose two more guys. They've lost four coordinators in five years. They've lost multiple assistants like Joe Barry, Shane Waldron. I mean, it's like Bama losing offensive coordinators. You tell me when you guys win Super Bowls, and maybe society wasn't quite as mobile, but you're getting cherry-picked.

So I'm looking here on the board of the former Sean McVeigh assistants. good God, he has lost a lot of really high-end guys. Do you think at some point there's just too much, it's leaking? You can't be quite as tight next year. Well, I think that any time you lose really good coaches, you know, that's always going to be somewhat of an issue. I guess you have to look at the organization. So from the offensive side, you know, Sean McVeigh really runs the program.

And obviously he's got like Kevin O'Connell was really his right-hand man, but he's got a guy that other really good coaches. And I think one of the things that you have to understand when you're a Sean McVane, you've had the success that you've had, and you are a developer of young coaches. You've got a pipeline of guys. You understand that this is part and parcel of being a champion, part and parcel of winning a lot of football games. And so, you know, you have got veteran guys, and this is another thing. You're not a coaching staff that's coaching a bunch of young players. you've gone out there and you've said we don't really value draft picks. What we value is accomplished football players.

So we're going to go out and find accomplished football players. And so they already have the nuance down. And they can help essentially coach the coaches as we develop and as we promote young guys to fill those spots. So, you know, I think it's a good problem to have. And I think, you know, Sean McVeigh is, to me, you know, one of the most dynamic leaders in all of football. There's, you know, there's leaders because they're in a position of authority.

And then there's people who lead because they are so dynamic that others want to follow. Yeah. And he's a somebody who leads. He's not just a leader because he's in a position of authority. He is a leader because he walks into a room and he energizes that room and people want to follow. people want to believe. They want to buy into the why of Sean McVeigh. And so, you know, yeah, I guess it's a good problem to have that you've developed coaches and they all get opportunities.

By the way, about a minute left, 45 seconds to a minute left, Aaron Rogers had that old Instagram with a bunch of hearts on it and like hallmark sayings and stuff. What did you make of that thing? It felt like he was saying goodbye. Is he saying goodbye to Green Bay or is he saying goodbye to the NFL? You went back to back. You went back to back MVP's.

Can you really say goodbye to the NFL? I mean, he was throwing sweeten us and nothings to his Friday crew and his coaches and all the people that, you know, have helped him along the way. From his Instagram to God's ears, I hope he's leaving Green Bay, and I hope he's coming to Denver.

But, you know. Yeah, so you saw it as a goodbye. I mean, it was a bunch of pictures, Joy. It had a bunch of, it was, It's, I didn't hear it as a goodbye, but, you know, my instincts are off all the time. So Mark Slara says, Joy, what did you think? Did you think it was a goodbye? I mean, that's kind of like a closure post.

You fell? Oh, my. Yeah. Well, I buried the lead on that. I mean, what's the motivation? He's just like. Well, I mean, Aaron's motivations are always. And I was just exploding with emotions.

I think he, you know, Monday is tequila sip a night at Aaron's house. He may have just been full of emotions. I think it's national margarine today today. Oh, is it? Yeah. I might have made me yesterday. Crack that bottle a day early. I don't know.

It felt like he got into the juice a little and was. I don't know. I'm an emotional person. I try to not be emotional on Instagram without, you know, if I start feeling that, I back off social media. So if it's something like that generally, it's, I think I agree with Mark. I think it feels like a goodbye.

Wow. Look at you two. You guys are. What did you think? Colin, what did you think it was? No, I gave up on guessing, Aaron. I gave up.

I don't guess anymore. He's the opposite of me. Never married, no kids, no dogs. just we're the opposite. Nothing relates. I can't relate to him. And he wouldn't want to be me and I don't want to be him. And so I'm not going to try to guess.

But you two, you know, you guys have your very family. Your perception on this may be better than mine. I don't know. I think I agree with you. I have no idea what he's doing. Well, now I think I buried the lead. Remember, I've got the Aaron Rogers candle burning in my kitchen right now. So I might be a little bit biased on that.

The vibes are high. Yes. All right, Mark Slareth. Fox Sports. Look at that loyal guy with a golf shirt, right? That guy is company loyal right there. Oh, there it is. Right there.

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