The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Rodgers, Packers, OBJ, Browns

Episode Date: November 10, 2021

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It's great to be in. I took a melatonin last night, three milligrams, cut it in half. You know how medicine affects me immediately. Same. And severely. And so I took one and a half milligrams at eight of melatonin. I woke up at 555 this morning, and I mean I was running into doors.

And my wife could take 15 milligrams and stare at the ceiling all night. I don't know what it is with medicine. It all works immediately. I am the exact same way. Anytime I've ever had a surgery of any kind and they give me like the same. serious stuff. Yeah. I'm like, how do people take this and then do things?

Yeah. I take it and I am asleep out for eight hours. Like, immovable. Yeah. I don't know. I'm the same way. Well, so I'm going to talk about Aaron Rogers. I do think we're very close now to moving to football the game against Seattle,

which I think Green Bay will win. That's much more interesting to me. But Aaron did respond yesterday about the time my show ended about, you know, the soon of criticism he faced around America. And I'm not going to get into the apology that wasn't an apology. I don't really care. The thing that was most interesting to me, and it's the thing that's most interesting about Aaron Rogers, he had the quote, I'm an athlete, not an activist.

And I think this is kind of fascinating about Aaron Rogers. The difference between Brady and Rogers is not just that one has all the Super Bowls. Tom Brady knows what he is, is true to himself. understands what he likes and doesn't like and is true to it and doesn't feel limited by it. Aaron wants to be a jeopardy host. He wants to be an activist. He's kind of changed his look this year. I don't know if he knows himself.

And I think sometimes this is what happens when you, you know, get into your late 30s, not married, no kids, you're the son, everything revolves around it. What are you? Who are you? What matters beyond you? I'm only really surprised about Aaron Rogers that he went public with his thoughts on the vaccine. I said I was not surprised he did not get the vaccine. Aaron's about Aaron.

But Aaron Rogers, knowing that he's legendaryly thin-skinned, knowing that he doesn't like criticism, that is so understood. Kevin Durant and Aaron Rogers, Aaron said, I'm going to ramble for 18 minutes about the thing people are arguing about online all day. And I'm good with it. I love blowback. I love pushback. Really? In a country where 72% of Americans are vaccinated, three out of four people, and 750,000 have died. So a lot of people are connected to people who have died.

Aaron thought, yeah, I'm totally comfortable with going into a very polarizing topic and taking all the blowback. Because, you know, I'm legendarily thick-skinned. Brough, you're the one guy in the league that shouldn't get into this stuff. And for the record, I've always said with athletes, LeBron. Aaron Rogers, it doesn't bother me if you talk politics. I'm generally not interested in your opinion on them. I'm going to go to doctors, not Aaron or Joe Rogan. That's fine.

But I'm okay with Aaron having opinions. But understand you're going to get the smoke. And Aaron's never been a guy that likes the smoke. Brady doesn't like the smoke and avoids it. Brady knows exactly what he is. I don't like it. I'm kind of funny on social. I'm goofy and funny.

Brady understands who he is. He knows thyself. He knows exactly what he is. He knows what he doesn't like. He doesn't like controversy. He was deeply bothered by deflate gay. He don't like it. And so he stays away from it.

I mean, if you don't like heights, you don't bungee jump. Aaron doesn't like heights and thought, I'm going to bungee jump without a cord. I just going to jump off the bridge and see what happens. Aaron doesn't know as a 30. year old exactly what he is and what he likes. That to me is shocking. You know, they do call it self-awareness. Like, I don't care.

In my business, lots of people can handle criticism. Ann Coulter, bring it on. She'll stoke the fires. Bill Moore stoke the fires. In politics, Bernie Sanders, he'll go right into enemy territory. Ted Cruz, a conservative, I'll go right into enemy territory. Mark Cuban, entrepreneur. Elon Musk.

We have Howard Stern. We have political people. We have entrepreneurs. I can go give you athletes. They're all very comfortable with the smoke. So by all means, go into it. But when you're

not comfortable with it, you're legendarily famous for being thin-skinned and yet at 37, you're not 7 or 17 or 27. You're like a grown man. Thinking, yeah, I'll be good with it. It's not about knowing me. You don't know you. And I think that is a big difference between Brady and Rogers. Aaron is like searching at 37. I'll be a Jeopardy host.

I'd be an activist. I'll be a Brady wants to be a dad, a husband, and a football player. Totally comfortable with him. And by the way, what's wrong with that? What would be wrong with Aaron Rogers just being a great quarterback, he is, and a great pitch man, he is. He's great at those two things. But he's searching. Even this year, his offseason, a different look. He got very zen in the summer. Bill Simmons and I talked about this last week.

You get older, you're single, you're not married, you have no kids. You know, some guys' guys can get a little weird. You're kind of trying to find yourself. He's been trying to find himself. But I find it fascinating that at 37, He thought he could just ramble for 18 minutes about the vaccine, take a contrarian opinion from 72% of the country, and then like three days later be like,

I don't like any of this. Well, of course you don't like it. That's not your space. That's not who you are. Know thyself. Aaron's still searching. So I thought this was funny. You know, I tend to be, I think, as America's honesty broker,

I try to be up front. And sometimes I think I'm almost too nice to Baker Mayfield. I really do. I just don't think he's that great. But it's funny, I was looking at the standings today, the playoff standings. If we had playoffs today. So I want you to look at this, NFC and AFC. So let's start with the NFC.

I mean, the Cardinals, the Packers, the Bucks, the Cowboys and the Rams, I think we'd all agree. Those feel like good playoff teams. The top of the NFC, those feel like, I mean, by the way, Rams just had a crappy Sunday. But those feel like really good playoff teams. The Cardinals, the Packers, the Bucks, the Cowboys Rams, they can beat you multiple ways. They've all got, I think, really good quarterbacks. Those are playoff teams. The bottom of the NFC, who the heck knows who's going to get in?

Those are not teams that are going to win right now at Saints, Falcons. If those could be replaced tomorrow, who cares? In the AFC, you know, there's a lot of stuff here that doesn't feel true. Titans, Ravens, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Steelers, Patriots. Raiders a playoff team. Steelers are a playoff team with that offense. But as you look at those two, I'm going to ask you a question. What's the one team in the NFL now that you look at and think,

oh, they'll get in? To me, it's the Browns. Listen, there are certain ingredients in the NFL that if you have those ingredients, you better make a very good cake. The Browns have arguably a top three offensive line in the NFL. The Browns have, in my opinion, the best running game in the NFL. It's top two or three.

And they also have right now a top three defense in terms of yards allowed. Okay, if they don't make the playoffs, you need to grow up. It's on Baker. Folks, the L.A. Chargers this morning have the ninth best offensive line, the 22nd best run game, the 23rd rated defense. And they're a four seed. Why? because they got a great young quarterback.

The Philadelphia Eagles are the team that most aligns with the Cleveland Browns in terms of O-line ranking, running game ranking, defensive ranking, the year they won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles. Like the ingredients for Cleveland are playoff ingredients. If I wasn't talking about the Browns and I just said, yeah, it's arguably the best offensive line in football, it's arguably, I love Nick Chubb, it's the best running game in football, and the defense, you don't get many yards off them.

I mean, there's like top three defense. You'd be like, oh, yeah, that's a playoff team, obviously. In fact, that's not just a playoff team. They should win a game or two. Not saying they're going to get to the Super Bowl. That's injuries. That's health. That's where are you playing?

When are you playing? How are you playing in the moment? But we need to be honest about this, all you fanboys and palm paver's for Baker. The ingredients for this cake is you better have a really good cake. Or the Baker should be fired. Baker Mayfield or a Baker. The ingredients here are playoff.

In fact, I'll give you an example. The only team in the league last year that was similar to Cleveland, and Cleveland, it should be noted, has way better offensive players than this team. But there was a team last year that had a very highly ranked offensive line, not as highly ranked as Cleveland. They had a very good running game, not as highly ranked as Cleveland. And their defense, yards allowed, was top three or four. Very similar to Cleveland. That's New England. They didn't get in.

And Cam was crucified. In fact, Cam can't get a job now. Cam, we were the only show in America that slightly defended Cam. And again, let's just say this. Cleveland's offensive weapons are a thousand times better than New England's last year. And it ain't close. tight ends, wide receivers. No Nick Chubb hanging around in Foxborough.

And Cam can't get a job. And Cam is washed. And Cam is... He was vilified in the New England region. Like a joke. He's terrible. It's washed. So, and Cleveland's better than that team.

And the AFC, I would argue, this year is weaker than last year. Cleveland needs to be in the playoffs. It's not a big ask. I'm not asking them to win multiple games. I'm not asking them to get a conference championship. I'm not asking Baker to get to a Super Bowl. To me, there's a lot of things that go into that. You look at the AFC and NFC playoffs.

You tell me, put them up again, you tell me, what team feels like a playoff team that's not there? There's one. In the whole league, it's Cleveland. I mean, you could say Colts, but they butcher the Tennessee game, so they don't feel like a playoff team to me. Their record, they've lost twice to Tennessee.

There's only one team here. You're telling me Cleveland doesn't have better players than Atlanta. Falcons offensive lines a sieve. It's awful. Cleveland's got significantly better offensive personnel than New England. They've got a better coach than the Raiders currently. So that's all I'm saying. Some of you fan boys, I'm going to pull a little heat on you now.

I've been being very nice this year. A little pressure on Baker. You got those good of ingredients. you've got to be able to make a great cake because they have playoff ingredients. All right. Odell Beckham. You guys heard the story on Odell Beckham this morning?

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Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. So OBJ, we could have a decision today, very exciting. He's got two or three teams he wants to play for, apparently. Saints, he'd be a good fit. Kansas City, oh, they have enough weapons. And Green Bay, let's be honest, that's what I'm rooting for. I'm rooting for Green Bay because I think it's a better story.

I'm not lying here. I am rooting for the Green Bay story. Devante Adams, we looked it up this morning, has been 54% of Aaron Rogers' targets this year. Okay, folks, they needed two. Now, the other guys, like Alan Lazard, they have talent, but he's had like 22 targets this year. He's been beat up. Aaron doesn't really trust him.

And that's okay. Brady's the same way. Brady doesn't trust you. He won't throw it to you. But a lot of times, it's very easy to get distracted because I didn't grow up with social media, right? Like, I didn't even grow up with a lot of cable television, right? So it was very easy. You stay focused.

I read my newspapers, I watched my sports shows, I watched the games, I did my sports cast, it was easy. It's a lot of noise now, a lot of things get you distracted on. Let's not get distracted with the Aaron Rogers vaccine story. Aaron's still great. Jordan Love isn't. And eight teams are going to go after Aaron in the offseason. One of them could be the Steelers. If I was Pittsburgh, I would unload draft picks and linebackers for years to get Aaron.

So let's not lose sight of this and all the vaccination stuff. Aaron's a stud. Jordan Love isn't. Nine teams want Aaron. Now, we know Aaron's not a great general manager. For the record, either is LeBron James. Okay. Love LeBron, but he's a player, not a GM.

Aaron wanted Randall Cobb. Give me Randall Cobb. He's had one good game in eight weeks. 20 catches. For three million bucks a year. $3 million cap hit. Okay. But I would go to Aaron and I would say,

Hey, what do you think? You want him? That's what I would ask. Do you want him? We've got a little cap space here. You want him. Because Green Bay's defense has been good missing their best corner and their best linebacker.

That side of the ball is fine. Green Bay's defense is now good enough to win a Super Bowl. Green Bay's O-line and run game are good enough to win a Super Bowl. Here's where Green Bay isn't good enough. after Devante Adams. I know, I know, I know. There's 7-0 without Devante Adams. Yeah, yeah, you can win a game with a backup quarterback.

Okay, you can win a game without Devante Adams. But if I told you he was gone for the next eight weeks, you think Green Bay's better? No. So I would go to Aaron and I would just say, because there's a truth in the NFL. Great quarterbacks make everybody better. The quarterback makes the wide receiver.

The wide receiver doesn't make the quarterback. Okay, Matt Stafford was good with Calvin Johnson. He was also great with Cooper Cup. Like, like, Cooper Cup's never been this good, right? Cooper's good. He's like Randy Moss this year. And so we know that Russell Wilson, he makes everything work. Tom Brady makes everything work.

Let's be honest. Would Devante Adams be this good with the Jaguars? No. It wouldn't be this good. So I would go, forget all the noise and all the vaccine stuff, I would go to Aaron and just say, do you want him? We got space. The only thing about Green Bay that I would be worried today is I don't suddenly trust the kicker. Probably too late to fix that. And we've been going two, three years here on Devante Adams and a bunch

of guys. The bunch of guys aren't getting better, aren't staying healthier, and Aaron doesn't trust them. I'd go to Aaron. It's your call. By the way, you're not asking OBJ to buy a home and live in Green Bay for eight years. He's going to be there from first week of November, first week of January. I mean, seriously, you're not asking him to be there. He wants to reboot his career. He wants to clean some stuff up with his image. And Aaron's going to get the ball to him.

Okay, Aaron's going to get the ball. Aaron's dying for a number two. He can trust. And to me, this feels like. Just go to Aaron and ask him. Don't get all caught up in all the vaccine stuff now. Aaron's great. Jordan loves not.

Nine teams want him. You don't think Pittsburgh's going to make a run at him. You're out of your gourd. I mean, you've got like Googly love eyes between Aaron and Mike Tomlin. They played together. It's like flirting on the field. Joy with the news. No.

No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Tua is questionable heading into tomorrow night's game against the Ravens. according to head coach Ryan Flores. They are taking it day to day. Through yesterday, look good. He's making some progress.

Still somewhat limited. So we're just going to take it day to day. And there's definitely discomfort to getting better. Swelling's down. It's getting better. And progress from last week. But there's still some limitations for sure. He didn't play in Sundays win over the Texans

after fracturing his middle finger on his throwing hand the week prior. So Jacoby Brissette would get the start again if Tua is unable to play, and Tua would then serve as the backup. He has missed the better part of five games this season, including three games on injured reserve with fractured ribs. And the dolphins are currently seven and a half point underdogs tomorrow night against Baltimore, according to Fox Bet. This is not surprising.

Well, this is who he is now. I think this is who he always was. and pros, he gets hurt along. This is, this was my concern with Tua in the draft. Everyone was talking about all the spectacular abilities that he has and what he did in his college career. And I am weary of players who have had, particularly at the quarterback position. Sam Bradford College couldn't stay healthy.

Who have had multiple injuries while they are in college because it is only going to get more physical. The guys are only going to get bigger. They are now grown men as opposed to young men hitting you. And it's just going to get worse. And that's what the story is on Tua. We just saw this the other night. So Justin Fields is significantly bigger than Tua.

He's like 6-3, 238. I mean, Justin Fields is big. A safety, Minka Fitzpatrick, literally knocked him into yesterday on the sideline. Not a linebacker, not a rush end, not a safety. Literally knocked him flush. It's like you don't see Purdue safeties. doing that to Justin Fields. Like if you're hurt in college, Sam Bradford, generally, it only gets worse. And you can't have an injury prone quarterback. There are certain positions

where you can have injuries or lingering injuries and play through them or make it work. We've seen it with running backs. We've seen it with five receivers, certain defensive positions that you're just not touching the ball every single, like you have to be available. This is the story of Jimmy Gropolo. That's the reason my Tray Lance is there. It just doesn't work. Like, they're going to be in the quarterback market next year. Part of it is because of the way that they handled to his start in the career, but also he cannot stay healthy. And this was pretty predictable when he looked at his college career.

So the NFL's increased emphasis on the taunting penalty has gotten a lot of criticism through the first half of the season. Look at that. Tomlin supports it. Mike Tomlin is a fan of the rule. We're just trying to clean our game up. We embrace the responsibility that comes with being the role models that we are. This game being played at the highest level. understand that people that play at a lower level watch us and often mimic the things that we do

and how we conduct ourselves and just largely as a league, competition committee specifically, there was a desire to improve in that area. And so that's been expressed to our guys. Very rarely do I disagree with coach? Coach, simbatico here. Mike Tomlin and I see the world the same way. Respectfully, this is a horrific rule. And, you know, I don't wish. for these things, but it's pretty predictable. I mean, listen, I, he's very stern and direct, and I can see where he's coming from. However, this is literally affecting the outcome of games. It is an emotional sport.

Guys pump themselves full of tort all and pills and work through horrific injuries and play through burst spleen to get out there and put on a performance. and if they get a sack, they should be able to celebrate. Just can't taunt. Can't go to the other side. But that's a subjective mood that the referee is in who can decide, you know, can be get off my lawn guy and decide to throw a flag and change the outcome of a game.

New rule on the show. If Mike Tomlin says something, it's true. I respectfully disagree. The Steelers haven't been called for a taunting penalty this season. By the way, why? You don't mess. Mike Tomlin tells those guys, hey, I don't understand this. I bet you Tomlin tells them this.

Guys, celebrate all day long. Amongst our cell. That's Belichick's rule. You should be happy you scored a touchdown. Celebrate with your teammates. Don't walk over and go, hey, you see that? Because that's what got him in trouble. I just, it's gotten out of control.

There's 33 taunting penalties this season. There were 11 last year. All right. And obviously, the Steelers benefited from the one called the other night with Cassius Marsh. that helps set up their game-winning field goal. It did affect the game. I think it's nonsense. Fans hate it.

All myself included. Fans. Yeah, they're only the actual consumer. Fans. The Steelers has the lines on Sunday and are currently eight-point favorites, according to Fox Bet. Now, I'll be honest with you. Detroit's the play there.

They're not going to win the game. I'm done taking these big lines. After the Cowboys this weekend, I was like, I'm not getting suckered into that again. but that does feel it feels like a little sucker. Like the lions are not good. No, the lions aren't good, but they're off a buy and Pittsburgh's offense doesn't blow people out.

Eight points is, we have to remember this. Eight points is still a lot in football games. Yeah. But it's just we've had these crazy lions this year. I know. I know. College. So the NFL has completed its review of Green Bay's COVID protocol violations.

Yeah. The Packers have been fined $300,000 for protocol violations, Aaron Rogers. and Alan Lazard have been fined $14,650 each for attending the Halloween party while unvaccinated. And according to Mike Florio, other teams are outraged how the league chose to handle this. Oh, give me a break.

One source said that's bleep. You could fill in the blanks. Rodgers only penalized for attending the Halloween party. The leagues of the Packers were warned about future violations that would result in escalated discipline, change of draft position, loss of draft choices. I could defend, I will defend. the Packers for an hour on this because the Raiders and the Saints last year lost a draft pick,

appealed it and got it back. And last year was, we didn't have a vaccine. Yeah, it was way more punitive. Rogers wasn't fine for the press conference violations because that falls on the club to enforce those protocols. That's right. But, you know, people are outraged. They want draft picks. They want, you know, a pound of flesh. I don't have any problem with the punishment because here's where I stand on this. And obviously everyone knows how ridiculous I feel this whole situation was. So, clearly. I disagree with how this was handled. But as far as the league goes, you can't start handing out unprecedented, egregious punishments for these things because then what happens the next level?

Like how far does it go up? This is a precedent fine. This is what the fine is. And then if now they know if it happens again, then it gets crazy. Last year, timing's everything. Last year, we didn't have a vaccination. You didn't have fans at games. You had games being moved around.

Right. The Raiders Saints lost a pick and they appealed it and got it back. give me a break on Green Bay should lose a pick. That's ridiculous. By the way, again, they absolutely should have been fined. Absolutely. You broke protocols to fine. But by the way, it's also a punishment. Aaron, you're going to miss this game and you can't practice for the next one. It's not like that's light punishment. He's Aaron Rogers. Well, he's not being punished. He has to because like that is the amount of time you have to quarantine if you're on, you're unvaccinated and you test positive. So he's actually not even being punished right now. I know

everyone that thinks that this is a hoax, thinks he's being punished. But that's how long you're supposed to quarantine if you are unvaccinated and you test positive. So he's actually not even being punished right now. He's just doing what he's supposed to do because that's the doctors tell you you're supposed to do if you believe at doctors anymore. So the real punishment is just the fine. But I don't think that it was like not enough. This was how you started and then it builds up from there.

All right, Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. All right, Nick Wright. Mercedes-Benz, Ben, best or nothing. and let's bring him on first things first. Let's just go to the OBJ thing here.

Kansas City, Saints, I heard New England, Green Bay. Who should OBJ sign with? Well, I think his decision should be based on how good is the quarterback, how good can the team be. So Green Bay would check every box you would want if you had confidence that Aaron Rogers are going to be there past this year. Because while where O'Dell picks doesn't mean it has to be

where he plays next season, what would be best for him in his career is he picks a place, it works, and he stays there. So Green Bay was, you know, I told you, before the year I thought Cleveland should trade him to Green Bay to appease Aaron Rogers and because Cleveland didn't need him. I think Green Bay makes sense. I think Seattle makes sense. I obviously think Kansas City makes a ton of sense. You have continuity of quarterback.

They're going to win that division and they need a number two wide receiver. the Patriots to me make no sense because he has dealt with mediocrity at quarterback most of his career. Why would he want to deal with it more? Yeah, he'd be the number one receiver. And the Saints, let me put it like this, Colin. I will be very disappointed,

not like parentally disappointed, but like as a fan disappointed in Odell if he picks the Saints. Because in my opinion, he'll be picking home and targets over what has been the hurdle, which is quarterback play. They've got Trevor Simeon.

They've got an H-back as their quarterback hierarchy right now. And next year, I guess they'll have James coming off in ACL. I want to see O'Dell with a star quarterback. So go to Green Bay, go to Kansas City, go to Seattle, maybe even, hey, you can come visit you, Colin. Go to L.A. with the Chargers and your beloved Justin Herbert, who I think you had is the best quarterback in the AFC until he fell off a cliff the last month. Go somewhere like that. Don't go to Trevor Simeon just because it's. home. That would be my advice. All right. So we are at the halfway point in the NFL and the chiefs

deserve credit. They may look awful, but they're winning while looking awful. They look bad against Green Bay. They won. They look bad against the Giants. They won. It only counts as a double you in your little pocket schedule, right? So now they go to the Raiders. Raders are off a kind of bad loss. Let's say Kansas City goes. To those giants, the Chiefs beat. Kansas City goes to the desert beats the Raiders. Are they in your mind? Okay. We're on to season two. They fix their issues. I think if Patrick Mahomes starts looking like Patrick Mahomes again. So the first four games of the season, Mahomes was arguably the best quarterback in football, and the defense was historically bad. The next quarter of the season, Mahomes has had three

of, if you took his six worst games of his career, three of them have been in the last month, and the defense all of a sudden is showing something of a pulse. The question is, can they get the Mahomes from the first quarter of the season combined with an improved defense? I am optimistic for this reason, Colin. And I know it's a one, it's a singular thing, but I believe in this. I think Mahomes had developed an odd like quarterback yips, and Aaron Rogers actually, in the last interview he did with McAfee before all the vaccine and COVID stuff came out, he talked about

how quarterbacks can go through golfer like slumps, and sometimes it just takes one throw to snap you out of it. I thought the game against Green Bay was the worst he has ever looked. Yeah. And then the final play of that game, Colin, he looked like Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. God, it was a must have it play. Yeah. Got out to his right. Saw Tyreek, threw it with his hips not even turn. And he was. He looked. He looked like Patrick. strike. So I think if he comes out against the Raiders and plays well, he's back. Because this idea that leagues figured him out is just nonsense. He was one guy for the first 60 plus games of his career, and he's been a different guy the last month. So I do think in the AFC where, you know, I did my tears today, Colin, the five best teams in the league are all NFC teams. And the next

10 are the AFC teams all kind of jumbled together. I think the AFC, certainly the AFC West is there for the taking. Now, Mahomes has to get back to being Mahomes or none of it matters. I think that one play against Green Bay to ice the game might have gotten him back on track. I don't think that's, I don't think that's wrong because I thought that was a play that looked like Mahomes. All right. So before I get to your MJ Scotty thing, which I can't wait for, how about a minute on, minute or two on Aaron Rogers? My lead to, my lead to, today was one of the great things about Brady, he knows what he is. Football and family. He doesn't want to be controversial. He's not into it. He avoids it. Aaron doesn't like it either,

but rambled for 18 minutes about a vaccine, got crushed and then came flying out of the, you know, out of his house. I don't like this. I don't like it. Yeah, we know you don't like it. You've been thin skin like KD forever. So that my takeaway is he lacked self-awareness. It's like if you're afraid of heights, you don't jump off. a bridge. You don't bungee jump. What is your big bow wrap your arms around that big ball on this topic today? Well, he seemed to apologize for misleading the public, but I think since then he has misled the public more. So there's a few things here that I just reject. And you know, I've always been a fan of Aaron. But, you know, he claimed the NFL, an NFL doctor told him if you get the vaccine,

you can't get COVID. The NFL has said, we never said that, and there's no doctor that says that, because that's obviously not true. So that to me was just a misleading statement, if not a lie. He also said that he was not frivolous in his research. Well, yes, you were.

If you were consulting as one of your experts, Joe Rogan, and the topic wasn't mixed martial arts or podcasting, that is being frivolous. in your research by definition. And it's just when he said, he seemed to have such a patent misunderstanding of what the vaccine does and what it's supposed to do,

that if I, Colin, if I said, I dedicated a lot of time to studying the NFL. And I watched that Chiefs Packers game. And let me tell you, the Packers were having a ton of trouble on the field goals, the holds. Right. So, I mean, why don't they just use the kicking tea?

like obviously that would be better you would walk away from them being like oh this guy has spent no time studying that because that's not allowed so when you just get blatant fact errors wrong I don't believe you that you have spent a ton of time studying it but lastly

and most importantly I think is this and this just crystallized for me this morning what Aaron clearly believes is that I think he believes he was immunized and he clearly believes the vaccines for many people are dangerous and ineffective.

So you are Aaron Rogers, one of the most powerful, popular, potent athletes in the world. We are in the 20th month of a pandemic that in this nation alone has taken

three quarters of a million lives. And you think three months ago, you have come up with a better cure than the vaccines. Do you not have a responsibility to tell someone about it other than Miles Teller? Shouldn't you, like, I don't know, thumb out a tweet, hey guys, I cured COVID, here's the steps. And if you really

believe you were immunized and it was better than the vaccines and the only reason you didn't tell people was because you didn't want to be criticized, it's one of the most selfish things that's ever happened in sports history. Guys, I cured the pandemic. Why didn't you tell anyone? Well, I didn't want a mean tweet from Cowherd about it. What? Use your megaphone, buddy. So the whole thing is frustrating to me. And I've always liked Darren, but it's really frustrating to me, Colin. All right. Finally, I wish we had more time on this, but let's be honest about this. You are the last remaining sportscaster in America that defends Pippin over MJ. And Pippin is saying in his new book, Michael's selfish, he didn't give me enough love.

The floor is yours. Uh-huh. Well, I don't defend it. him over MJ. I just, Colin, you know, I'm dedicated to many things. My family, you know, this show, the herd that I've been coming on for five years. I don't know. I've ever been compensated for it other than nice calls from Colin Coward. And NBA Truths. And this, Scotty is his own worst spokesperson. Scotty, if you're watching, here is the case you need to make. fact one Michael Jordan played five seasons in the NBA

without me as a teammate zero of those seasons he was above 500 fact two Michael Jordan went to the playoffs three times without me as a teammate all below 500 seasons got into the playoffs how'd they do

one and nine not in series in games fact three you know the heroic effort Michael Jordan gambled all night in Atlantic City and got criticized for it when we were down 02 to the Knicks, going for our first three Pete.

How did MJ play after gambling all night in AC when we were down O2, a de facto elimination game? He went three for 18. I was 10 of 12, 29 points saved our season. Fact four. Our last year with MJ, we won 57 games. The next year without him, we won 55, and I was third in the MVP race.

back five after MJ quit a second time. Two years later, I'm a key member of a Blazers team that's this close to going to the finals, if not for the Shaq Kobe epic comeback. That's the case, Scotty, not why don't we talk about the bad back game? Scotty, we don't talk about the bad back game because you scored eight points and played like you had a bad back. The other points are the points you should be making, my friend,

and I'm here to help you because I just want people to have an accurate portrayal of NBA history. That's right. I have no agendas here. This is not about LeBron or Kareemem or anything. It's just an accurate portrayal NBA history column. That's what I care about. I'll tell you, you are, you, that's very, I mean, I listen to you. It's like Michael Jordan management, there's Mugsy Boggs after that. You can sell, my friend. No, no, I mean, that's, I mean, that's, I mean, he's 16 inches taller than Mugsy. I mean, give him a little credit there. But no, I mean, look.

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should lose draft picks. Losing draft picks to me is pretty simple. Are you doing something that somebody else is involved outside the building? Belichick lost a draft pick for taping the Bengals. Okay, now we have somebody outside the building that you are potentially taking information that you're not legally supposed to have. That to me, you can lose a draft pick. But the Saints and the Raiders and the Packers butchered protocols. That's a fine to me. But you're screwing up your own team.

I mean, you can have, you know, Aaron now is missing games. Green Bay hurt themselves. And so that's, I'm not a big fan of taking away draft picks. But if there's somebody else involved and you're subtracting something from them, the Patriots were subtracting some privacy issues the Bengals are allowed to have. You can't tape their sidelines, right? You can't do that. And so, and Belichick got in trouble with that years ago, a spy gate.

That, to me, it rises to a draft pick. I don't believe going to a Halloween party, I'm taking away your third draft pick. That doesn't feel right. Basically, in the end, Aaron can't play last week and can't practice this week. So, you know, Aaron hurt his own team more than he hurt anybody else. So that's where I fall on this stuff. And, you know, I would overwhelmingly like to put the Aaron vaccine stuff behind us because I do think you listen to me for opinions on sports, not politics and stuff. But Aaron went out there and discussed it.

So therefore, as a football player, I am going to react to Aaron discussing it and putting himself out there. And clearly, State Farm, you watch State Farm commercials. the last three or four days, Aaron's not on him. They didn't fire him. They just took him off their commercials. They have other spokespeople. And a health company did, you know, eliminate him in their relationship. I forget what it is. Maybe it's a Milwaukee health company, whatever it is.

But I, you know, people think you're anti-Aaron. No, no. I'd overwhelmingly like to talk about Aaron the football player. I think the Seattle game, I think all this really goes away. and I think most of it's gone away anyway. If Aaron comes out against Seattle, they match up very well against the Seahawks. It's one of my favorite plays of the week.

I think they're going to beat Seattle. I think Aaron could be a little rusty, but the one thing Green Bay doesn't do is Seattle doesn't do is cover the back end. Jamal Adams is a playmaker. Doesn't have a ton of range in past coverage. Seattle's corners are the weakness to the franchise. Their pass rush is hit and miss.

I would rather not talk about Aaron and vaccines. But when he goes 18 minutes, now I've got to talk about it. Okay? That's kind of how this game works. I'd rather not talk about the stuff you get mad I talk about. But when players go there, then I got to go there because I talk about those star players, be it LeBron or Aaron Rogers.

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