The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Rory Does It

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Colin Cowherd reacts to Rory McIlroy finally winning that elusive green jacket and completing the career grand slam, thoughts on the Warriors loss to the Clippers, Nico Iamaleava & Tennessee splitting ways, his top QB prospects in the NFL Draft, and more!   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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that the most important quality anybody can have in life is resilience. Even for the greatest of all time, Michael Jordan, you saw the Odyssey and the struggles of Michael Jordan. Can't get through the Celtics, can't get through the Pistons. Rory McElroy, a golf prodigy, finally wins Augusta in his 17th trip. 17th trip. Resiliency is the key to success in life because it's really hard. everybody would be successful. And Rory McElroy has two great qualities that make him so magnetic on television, which is how most of us watched. Number one, he is a wizard. He can make shots nobody else can. It's a combination of Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, Jack Nicholas, he is a wizard,

bending a ball around trees and laughing after. Hero shots can often look routine. And the second quality he has, he can buckle under pressure, hit a wedge into a creek from 125 yards away. As I watched yesterday, this was not Rory against Justin Rose. It was not Rory against Bryson DeShambot. It was Rory McElroy against Rory McElroy. And that has been the story of his career and why the crowd was chanting in Augustifer Rory, not Justin Rose. What player do you get whole to whole. Since 2014, if he won this tournament, remarkably it would be his first major. And again, this is a kid that like Tiger Woods, who was on the Mike Douglas show when he was three or four, Rory was on Ireland TV hitting a golf ball into his mom's washer when he was eight and nine years

old. He's their tiger. He is a prodigy. But Tiger was so great, he was often robotic, never losing a lead on Sunday, in total command, in total. control. And yet with Rory, he shares so many of those traits long off the T, bending balls around trees. But there are times when he played conservative yesterday, not when he was in trouble. Oh, he was great then. But when he was conservative, he got into trouble. We remember, too, the collapse at the U.S. Open a year ago, which makes him more fascinating, more vulnerable. He's not reckless. He's not battling demons. You just aren't quite sure what you get, put to putt, wedge to wedge, and off the green, despite all his talent.

But when the green was in sight, and I thought it was so, really, this was so much, this was a perfect way for him to win Augusta. This was a perfect way. Four double bogeys, most ever for a champion. That wed shot into the creek. Of course Rory McElroy would have to go to a playoff hole. It symbolized yesterday and Saturday. At the very best of his game, he pulls away. And then yet blows a four-shot lead early.

Yesterday, he starts a little shaky. Then he's strong. Back to shaky. Then he buckles. Then he's great. And in the end, the winning putt was an emotional waterfall. proving once again even for the all-time greats. It is about absolutely resilience.

Overcoming. It was not Rory against Augusta. It was not Rory against Bryson or Justin Rose. It was Rory against Rory. And the prodigy delivered and gets the jacket. Now, Augusta is the first major, and this could be the Rory year. Or maybe it won't be.

and that would be fitting too. For the record, the British Open is in Northern Ireland, one hour from where we grew up. Here's Rory on Rory and Bryson on Rory after. This is my 17th time here, and I started to wonder if it would ever be my time. And I think, you know, the last 10 years coming here with the burden of the Grand Slam on my shoulders and trying to achieve that. There was a lot of pent-up emotion that just came out on that 18th green. But, you know, a moment like that makes all the years and all the close calls worth it. I wanted to cry for him.

I mean, as a professional, you just know it hit it in the middle of the green, and I can't believe he went for it. Or it must have just flared it. But I've hit bad shots in my career, too. So it happens. And when you're trying to win a major championship, especially out here, Sunday Augusta, the Masters, you have to you have to just do it

and get the job done and do it right. There were times where it looked like you had full control and times it was like, well, what's going on? And that is what makes Rory McElroy as fascinating as anybody in golf. I've always said this about Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was the best looking.

He'd be easy not to like. He was the coolest. The style, the earring, the smile, handsome, great. Be easy not to like. But you watched him struggle. So you were invested in the journey with Michael. He wasn't the chosen one at 16. He was cut by his high school coach.

LeBron's less likable. Jordan's incredibly likable. Tiger at times was robotic. Great early, dominating for a decade, and chasing somebody like LeBron that we loved, Jack Nicholas. But Rory is different. There's a little MJ there. We have watched the struggle.

I'm hoping Augusta is the first of many. but that 10-year gap so symbolizes what makes him so incredibly embraceable. Way to go, Rory. All right, so yesterday, NBA playoffs are going to be interesting. East is set. Caves, Celtics are great. West is all log-jammed. So yesterday, the Warriors need to win.

Biggest game of the year. They don't, and now they're forced tomorrow to play a playing game. So listen, I think Jimmy Butler's a playmaker. He's tough. He gets to the free throw line. He's good for Steph Curry. But the honeymoon is over. He made more free throws in Golden State and Field goals since he's arrived.

Okay, so let's be realistic about it. Pat Riley does not move off many players. Pat Riley's as good a personal guy as the league has had in my life outside of maybe Red Arbach. And they moved off him. And he's got a shorter contract that it's not as punitive, not as prohibitive as he wanted in Miami. but the reality is, despite the fact that Jimmy Butler's made him relevant and he's good for staff, they've got a bigger problem. Once again, a young warrior, Jonathan Cominga, did not play coach's decision.

James Wiseman, Jordan Poole, Jonathan Cominga, an immature, DeAngelo Russell, young guys, squirly guys, or immature guys, don't fit here. If Cominga gave you 21 a night and could play. at the same time as Steph, Draymond Butler, he'd be on the floor. But it tells you what Kerr thinks of Cominga and what he thought of Wiseman and Jordan Poole and DiAngelo Russell was in and out of town quickly.

If you look at the history of the dynasty, it's very much like the Patriots. Brady and Steph one overwhelming transcendent superstar, who mostly plays very, very well with older players. Andrew Bogot, Andre Iguidala, Kevin Durant. You can bring the old guys in here and it works.

Now, Jimmy Butler is an additive. There's no question. But because Cominga doesn't work when Draymond, Steph, and Butler are all on the floor, the question is, what do we get from Jimmy Butler? He's shooting about 28% from three-point territory. And it looks like, and the comminga thing, we were all kind of waiting off the injury to see how it would work. and Steve Kerr made a decision yesterday. I'm not even going to play him.

So it looks like the ceiling is very apparent for the warriors. Yes, Jimmy Butler absolutely saved the regular season. He's relevant, a playmaker, gets to the free throw line, tough, and helps Steph. Those are all boxes that are checked for Jimmy Butler. But again, in this dynasty, like Brady just did not work with young. receivers. Bring in Randy Moss, it's magic. Bring in a Dion Branch again, it works. But you draft the kid in the first round, Nikiel Harry, a Chad Jackson. It doesn't work. Brady wants to win now. He's not going to be your babysitter. He's not going to teach you how to run routes. And with the

Warriors offense, young guys can struggle to find their footing. And it looks like Cominga will not be part of the future, although it seems like the only way they could win a six. series, a seven-gamer against the Houston, against the Lakers, would be if OKC, Houston, if Comingo played. But yesterday not playing him, coach, his decision tells you, no, it's not going to work. Butler 7, Draymond, pods, they're going to have a ceiling. Here was Jimmy on the playing game. We got a lot of really good basketball players who are on this locker room, key, and what we're

trying to do. I like the confidence that he has and myself. I also have that same amount of confidence. So I know that I and we have a job to do, and I know that we're capable of doing it. So playing, here we come. Well, playing game is tomorrow against the Wizards. Again, the Western Conference.

Oklahoma City pulled away. Houston's a little bit ahead of the group, but then it's Lakers for the next four or five teams are all very close. Playing game, I'll take the Warriors over Memphis. I just don't trust the Grizzlies in big spot. But quite a day yesterday watching golf. I was thinking about this.

There's been a handful of moments in my life. I've overwhelmingly, and this is why I supported the live tour, I watch for golfers. I don't watch for courses. But there is something magical about a U.S. Open at Pebble Beach. There is something magical about Augusta and the undulating course and the challenges. And we got all of it yesterday. I was talking to Ryan on the staff this morning.

every stroke like most of you did yesterday, I cannot remember being on pins and needles for four hours. And that was Rory, right? Like when he pulled away early, ah, there was no tension. No tension. And then he quickly lost that lead. Of course he did, because that's what makes him such a wildly entertaining spectacle. What's so cool about Rory, you mentioned the resilience. How about what he said to his daughter in front of everyone else?

I know we'll probably get to it in more detail later, but never give up on your dreams. That was him in many ways talking to himself. You mentioned the decade-long odyssey of trying to win another major. For him to do it and to complete it in the manner in which he did, I personally fell guilty to he choked. It's over. When he went to the playoff, especially Justin Rose having already lost one, I figured that's it. This is Justin Rose's time. I felt the same way.

I felt they go to the narrowest, the narrowest, the narrowest, Greene, Faraway, and I thought, oh, boy, all right. But yet, yesterday, if you watch Rory and Saturday, too, in some of those moments, where you had doubt, he delivered. Yeah. It was when he got conservative that he at times buckled. By the way, this just came down. Mike Boodenholzer fired Phoenix Sun's head coach. We didn't love the fit to start with, so he's on his way out. There's a total rebuild there.

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So Tennessee has a young quarterback. Nico Iamaliava is his name. Tall, moves well, was the number two quarterback in the country to Archmanning coming out. Mobile, big arm, very, very inconsistent, needs a lot of refinement. But the bottom line is he wanted a raise. And he was making $2.5 million. He goes, I want $4 million. And it was inevitable.

There's no guardrails or not enough of them on the, the transfer portal, nor the NIL. We just saw all these basketball coaches like Tom Izzo and Rick Petino. They were in the tournament, and the transfer portal was starting. John Calipari just laughed at it. There's not enough guardrails. So this is why the NFL has a collectively collective negotiating agreement, rules, guidelines.

Folks, I don't blame the kid. I blame the NCAA. They knew 10 years ago guys were going to get. paid. Then California legislators made it happen. And they've been playing catch up for a decade. The governing body is at blame here. It's like players would do this in the NFL. If you didn't have a CBA, if you didn't have a players union, you didn't have a commissioner, this is what would happen in all sports. So what's happening in college sports, specifically a football player at a key position at Tennessee. Now, Tennessee last year, just last year alone made $149 million.

in revenue. These SEC schools are banks. Coaches now. Kirby Smart makes 12, 13 million. Tennessee's coach probably makes somewhere between 8 and 12. And I just saw a Duke quarterback, a basketball school, that transferred from Tulane, he's making $4 million. So Nico's like, time out. My coach is making this.

Average players making a million. We're paying high school players. I'm making 2.5. I let us to a playoff. We may have been smoked by Ohio State, but I let us do a playoff in the SEC with Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Bama, Georgia. I got us into a playoff. Now, I don't think he's ready. You know, he's got leverage. Some. I don't like that he's getting probably really bad advice from dad on this. I tend to be a believer. You sign a contract. You live up to it. If he has a great year, he would be a first round picked because of his athletic ability, his size. He's got a whip for an arm, though when I watched him in the four or five big games, he was really, really inconsistent.

But this was going to happen. So it's up to the governing body to get it right. Why is the UFC succeeded that boxing has died? Why? Dana White, a governing body, a leader. And this is college football's issues. Of course, kids with leverage are going to do this. coaches with leverage have moved.

I don't have to love it. I don't have to love the dad's advice. But you can keep blaming the kids on this stuff. But what it really shows you is that change was needed. The kids need to be paid and change is hard. And it's fraught with chaos and turbulence. I mean, this is why the PGA players, many of them went to live. That didn't like the leadership.

What is the PGA? It's a charity. It doesn't run the Masters. It doesn't run the British Open. Strength in leadership and governing bodies is why the UFC is flourishing and boxing feels like it's not. It's why the NFL is flourishing and college football right now is wobbling. Don't blame the kids. Don't even blame the coaches.

Don't blame the administrators. Blame the governing body. The NCAA has been playing catch-up on this stuff for years. Now, I do actually like what Josh Hypo, who's a good coach at Tennessee, I like his decision, which is, hey, listen, we're not fond of this. The kid has a right to do it, but we're going to move on. I want to thank him for everything that he's done

since he's gotten here. You know, that's as a recruit to who he was as a player and how he competed inside of the building. And so a great appreciation for that side of it, obviously we're moving forward as a program without him. You know, I said it to the guys today. There's no one that's bigger than the power tea, and that includes me. Yeah, again, I think I would have done the same thing as a coach.

I would have said, listen, you didn't show up for practice. It's bad messaging. I don't think that's good as the leadership position on a football team as coach and quarterback. That's like a coach not showing up for a spring practice or a spring game. Hey, I want to raise. You've got to show up for the team. Quarterback is different.

Football's different. So I didn't like that. I agree with Josh Heppel's move, but we can all point fingers. I read yesterday, well, the kid's not that good. He's overrated. Right now he is a tad overrated, but in the SEC, where programs are making $135 to $160 million, coaches making $12, he's like Duke's quarterback's making four. I can't.

It comes down to management. If you look at, if you horse racing, what's happening to it? What's the leadership? boxing, where's it going, leadership, college football. That's our issue, not the kid. Here's Jordan with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. All right, Colin Cleveland signed quarterback Joe Flacco and have been rumored to take a quarterback in the upcoming draft. But Kenny Pickett is still confident. He said he wanted to start after the Browns traded for him and then double down again this weekend saying, quote, I'm not here to hang out. I want to play. Now, Colin,

the Browns would love for Kenny Pickett to win this job. They would. But they also have a tremendous amount of comfort. And Joe Flacco, you go back to two years ago, leads them to the playoffs. I know he's older. But a couple of scouts told me this, and I'm not a quarterback guru, but they said even though he doesn't maybe have the same pop, the same juice, he still has one of the premier deep balls. You can still win with him.

They are going to take a quarterback. I'm pretty sure in the draft. I don't know if it's going to be a two, but I wonder for you, if you're the head coach, if you're Kevin Stefansky, are you rolling with Joe Flacco at 40 plus? You know, I think he's a bridge, obviously. I don't think Kenny Pickett's the answer. I think he's an NFL backup. I thought he deserved to get drafted somewhere first three rounds, but I didn't think he was a franchise build-around guy. I'd be okay with Flacco. Flacco's a nice guy. People like him. He's good in the room, great deep ball. You know, he's a pocket guy at this point, which there's only a few left. Jared Goff, Matt Stafford, Kirk Cousins.

There's not a lot of pocket guys left. But again, I think it's a bridge year. I think the Deshawn Watson debacle, if you can just maintain your GM and your coach, don't fire anybody. Own it as an owner. That was your big swing. Jimmy Haslam came out and acknowledged. We made a big mistake.

We being him. I think you have to just understand this year. You're not going to be a viable franchise. Flacco can win. games, you got Miles Garrett paid. So I think you just look at it as a bridge year. You're not going to be Baltimore, and I don't think you'll be Cincinnati. Maybe the bigger picture then is, what should they do at two?

Because to me, it's Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter at two and then just move forward. He's the best player arguably in the draft. I believe to soften the landing onto Sean Watson's contract, what I would do is trade down and try to get more picks. 12 picks. Yeah. Because Sean Payton prove this.

when you inherit a really bad contract, there's only a couple of ways out of it when you have all that dead cap money. One of them is to find a quarterback like a Bow Nix who you don't have to pay for four years. That softens the blow. The other thing is hit on a bunch of draft picks. So you have second, third, fourth, fifth,

six round guys, you're not paying for four years. So Cleveland really needs a great draft. And if I was the Browns, if I ran the franchise, I would trade down. I would try to get total of 11 or 12 pay. hit on eight of them. And again, then all of a sudden you got eight guys on the team. You don't have to pay for four or five years.

That's the way to do it. Yep. The Saints, speaking of teams looking for a quarterback, they start off-season work today, but are doing so without Derek Carr. Now, Carr is dealing with a shoulder injury, which could threaten his availability for this season. Carr is considering surgery, and that has draft analysts thinking the Saints,

Colin, could potentially take Chador Sanders' knife over. overall. Yeah. I think Shadur, and I'll talk about this before the end of the hour, Shadur will be as good as the place he lands. I don't think he's transformative. I think the Derek Carr thing didn't work. We always had our questions.

Was it Derek Carr, the Raiders, who were to blame? And now if we watch Derek Carr in New Orleans, the answer is probably a little of both, is that it was some of the Raiders and it was some of Derek Carr. I don't think New Orleans has ever been quite what we thought it was. And I don't think, I just, I think it didn't turn out the way. Derek thought, I thought it would be more promising, but it's just never felt right. Yeah.

The fits never felt right. He was never a viable solution, at least not without the coach. Now, Sean Payton goes to Denver. That's different ballgame. That's a different ballgame. You mentioned Boonex. But he got a defensive coach who was over his head for the second time. Yeah.

And he's not the kind of player. We see this with kids coming out of college. There are very few guys that can overcome an insufficient coaching staff. let alone a bad roster. Yeah. See, and that's my point. That roster is not a quarterback away. Even if you think, unless you think Shador Sanders is truly transformative, which you don't,

then don't take him at nine. You need, you are not a quarterback away. You need to get as much, it's BPA, best player available, and then maybe you get a quarterback in the second or third round. But regardless of if it's Derek Carr not moving forward for this season, he's not a viable solution long term. They're going to have to figure that out without Champagne. Colin, this is really interesting to me.

actually talked about this in the pre-show meeting, or just a few minutes ago, I should say. Yeah. The Phoenix Suns have fire and head coach Mike Boodenholzer, Prasham Sharanya of ESPN. The Sons went from a 49-win team with a 13th ranked defense. They earned the sixth seat under Frank Vogel the year before. Then they missed the playing tournament completely. They finished 10 and 18 after the All-Star break with the league's third worst defense. They finished this season, Colin, in 11th place with a 36-46 record.

We could go a lot of ways with this. I don't know where they go now, but obviously Bradley Beal is a big issue. Yeah, and KD and Mike had their issues. KD is a bucket still. Gives you 27 a night. But I never loved the higher. This is the NBA. Listen, Matt Ishby is going to start over.

I appreciated the swing. I said it when he did it when he got KD and Bradley Beale. I mean, they weren't winning. I mean, let's be honest, when Booker was there by himself, they weren't winning. Then they brought in Chris Paul, and he was the magic elixir to win. winning, then Chris Paul leaves, and they're trying to kind of restart it, reboot it, and figure it out. Boozer's a really good player. I wouldn't want to give him up. I would move off KD. Listen, I always appreciate the effort in the swing, and the Ishbia family is aggressive.

I appreciate it, but it didn't work, and they don't have a ton of draft picks. So this is the challenge of an NBA franchise. The Bradley Beal thing was just a miss. It was a colossal miss because not only has he not played well, he's borderline unplayable. That's right. And I've watched Phoenix a fair amount. There are nights where he's either not playing or he looks completely disinterested. And for that salary and what you thought you were getting caliber of player, it's completely untenable. Yeah.

Jordan with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping back. The herd line news. I was off last week. Mike Malone got fired as the Denver Nuggets coach. It's really interesting situation. So right now, the best basketball player in the world, and I don't think it's that close.

Nicola Yokic of the Denver Nuggets, the Joker, I don't think it's that close. I was looking this morning at his numbers this season. He's just unbelievable. He is the second most talented center outside of Kareem in my lifetime. That includes, I didn't see Wilth in his prime, but that includes Shaq and Akeem and Russell. I mean, you'd argue wilt, Russell, but outside of Kareem, he's the best center I've ever seen. He's like, Arvita Sabonis in his prime on jet fuel. Like, he does everything well.

And for Malone, he's a really intense guy, so this was inevitable. He's not a 20-year personality. And what happened, and this story is as old as time, is the GM wanted the coach to play his draft picks. Because a GM's job isn't to win tonight. It's to build for the future. And, you know, constantly be in discussions with the ownership. whereas Malone's job, they want to win now. So that's as old as time.

Where the GM wants to play young guys, Malone wanted to play Russell Westbrook, and head coaches in all sports, they want to win. That's how they keep their job. General managers want to win too, but not sacrificing the growth of their young players. So in all of this turmoil, Yokic remains the world's best basketball player,

having his greatest season and one of the great seasons in the history of Senator, and Yokic is kind of a private personality. So, and my take is he likes hiding in Denver. He's got a trophy. He's got his money. Denver's not too crowded. It's a Rocky Mountain Time Zone fairly invisible for a big city market like a Kansas

city. And he's really happy there. He's not going to pound his fist on the table and demand to be traded. He's got his money, his legacy, his ring, and I think he likes it. He's just not the kind of personality to, demand a big move. And Denver sort of trapped because they've never given them an all-star, although I would argue Gordon and Porter and Jamal Murray are very good players. I mean, they were good enough to win a championship and look like they could be a dynasty, but they're now,

they don't have draft capital. They're tied to three- and four-year contracts with good players that are great players like Jamal Murray. Again, Porter, Gordon, Jamal Murray, good players, but they're expensive. They're tied to contracts. They don't have draft capital. So I think, I think what Denver is, is what Milwaukee was with Kareem. They got one title and that was that. And what Milwaukee is with the honest. They got one title and that is that. And I think Denver's going to fall into that sort of Dirk-Navitsky Dallas Mavericks. They got their ring, but I just don't see a way out of their current situation. I just don't. Nobody to blame. They earned it. I love watching Yokic. I think he just had the greatest season arguably

any center has ever had statistically. But, you know, they rolled the dice. They locked in good players with big contracts, and I think they're sort of trapped. Coming up, all right, so, you know, the draft is obviously, by next Monday, that's draft week. It is not a great draft. There are a lot of quarterbacks out there, and I figured this morning I would just line all the quarterbacks up. I'll tell you what I perceive them.

You can, we'll put it on the archive. This is what I think these quarterbacks will do going forward in the NFL. There's about six guys, I think, worthy of a conversation, and we'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news.

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Dodgers can't hit. Don't know what it is. Albert Breer, top of next hour, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, and a Monday. So draft week is next week. We talked a lot about Rory McElroy, and that led our show today and probably let every sport show in the country.

Just remarkable. I was sitting there on Saturday morning, I went out golfing, because whenever golf is one of those sports, like I can watch basketball and not want to go out and play basketball. I can watch football and not want to go out and play football. But there is something about golf is when I'm watching a great tournament, I want to go to the practice range or I want to go play with buddies. And I went out and played. And it was just, you know, it's just a topic of conversation, how remarkable Rory is. and I think it really does matter, is that, like, you know, LeBron James will never be as popular as Michael Jordan, and there's a lot of reasons for that,

and that's not necessarily a shot at him, but he was the chosen one. And, you know, there's so much, LeBron, there's very few secrets. With Michael Jordan, he was sort of, for the most popular sports figure in America, he was kind of private in his personal life. He didn't have Instagram. It wasn't TikTok. It wasn't that generation. There was no Google and YouTube.

and Michael Jordan, again, people forget this, that he won as a freshman at North Carolina. He stayed at Carolina for two years, and one year couldn't even beat in-state rival NC State, right? And then we saw the Pistons and the Celtics tackle him. So you shared in the pain and the journey and Michael crying when he finally won his title. And that's what's great about Rory.

There's a movie Goodwill Hunting, which almost all of you have seen, and people come out to Hollywood, and they just forget how hard it is. It could be David Letterman's story. It could be Michael Keaton's story. It's Affleck and Damon. It took him over a decade to sell that script and get that movie made. And just watching at Augusta, the 17th trip for Europe's Tiger,

Europe's golf prodigy, took 17 trips. And it's just, once again, it sort of is a reminder that success is really hard, even for the gifted. when you watch that 10-part Michael Jordan documentary. Remember watching that during COVID? Thank God for that, or I don't know how we would have filled three hours. But I remember telling my kids, he was the best-looking player. He was the best player.

He was in Chicago, a big city. The commissioner loved him, Nike loved him. Everything was there for Michael. But he was battling with the GM. The ownership was cheap. Rodman's going to Vegas for weekends and disappearing. He couldn't win with Stan Albrecht or enough with Doug Collins. Then it's Phil Jackson who asked him to be more of a leader and trust teammates, so he did,

and he finally won. But we all shared in Michael's journey. He wasn't the chosen one. He wasn't a prodigy. He was cut from high school basketball team. He was the number three pick. And so it just makes Michael more likable is that you saw him get tackled by the Pistons for years, and he couldn't beat those great Celtic teams.

That's Rory. This kid has been, like, he is, I mean, it's so funny, there's been so many, because Tiger was so great that we were all waiting for the next tiger and it's like guys there's not going to be a next tiger we were kind of lucky in basketball where Kobe had a lot of the elements and components of Michael, cool, good looking, stylish but with Rory McElroy

I think we found about as close to tiger as you're going to get which is an athlete, tough but the difference is Michael was almost robotic he would never lose a lead And that's why a lot of people preferred Mickelson and his story, because Mickelson could be reckless and play himself out of a major.

I never feel with Rory it's reckless. He's just got the kind of personality, and it's strange, but sometimes it feels like he loses confidence. And so it was so fitting that he had to go to a playoff hole. And I didn't think he was going to win. I thought, no, it's Justin Rose. You can tell it about when Justin was on the 13th or 14,

tall you're like and i know you're all sitting there thinking is justin rose what a buzz kill he's going to win this thing it's not going to be de chambos it's not going to be raw i'm not to have to sit here for four hours and justin rose is going to win it and that's nothing against justin rose but i was like give me a break what a buzz kill and so it was only fitting and so maybe just my pessimism i thought oh this well this is heartbreaking this is just heartbreaking and then you know he hits that drive then approach shot, nails the put, just a remarkable four hours of golf. I'm interested to see the TV ratings today. Nobody cares. But I would guess, by the way, the master's app is fantastic. I would guess the ratings are through the roof. It was just, just, I couldn't take my eyes.

You don't even have to be a golf fan. You don't have to be a golf fan. That was just, my shoulders, I need, I need a massage. My shoulders are tight. And it was, and it was. so absolutely appropriate that it went to a playoff hole. The quiet guy Justin Rose, and then here's Rory, had it, lost it, had it, tied it, playoff, won it, and you just see that waterfall of emotion come out. And I'll tell you, just so emotional watching that, the Augusta patrons, they won't let you call it a gallery if you're a broadcaster. And Jim Nance and the CBS crew, tip of the cap, I thought you did a remarkable job.

such great storytelling from your crew. You know, 50 years ago, Jack Nicholas, a great way to romanticize it. Look at the tradition, but stay current. But the gallery always has a favorite. And it was very easy early. Remember when it started out and Deschambeau was giving high five to the gallery, and he's a slower player.

And Rory likes, they're both power players, but Rory likes to get up and go and move and move. And Deschambeau has more pace, but they're both big, powerful guys. So there was a feeling like DeCambeau was going to, like, irritate Rory and take his time and go back and look at things and slow the pace. But DeCambeau, who, by the way, was great until yesterday on the Greens, but his game's a bit of a mess. It unraveled multiple times. He had distance issues the whole weekend, but he was so great on the Greens until yesterday he stayed around. Rory's game was much, much better.

He just had weird holes and weird shots. But early, I thought the crowd was into Deschambeau, but about the third or fourth or fifth hole, they really pivoted to backing Rory, and I thought it was just great, great, always trust the Augusta crowd. They're giving you the vibe there. They're telling you what the energy is.

They did this. Remember when Tiger won, his last masters, or with Mickelson? I always trust the patrons. they're telling you, just if you watch Augusta, they'll tell you the vibe of the tournament by who they're pulling for. It was Deschambo as he came out. He's like a pro wrestler. He's high-fiving. He's leaning into it.

And about the third or fourth hole, everybody moved over to Rory, and it was great. Okay, so I promised I was going to do this. So it is not a great quarterback draft. But there's about five or six guys that I think are. worth just addressing. And I'm just going to tell you, lay it out here. Ryan says he assures me we're taping this. It will be, it's an archive. But I'm going to give you my feeling on six quarterbacks that everybody's talking about in this draft. So the first guy's Cam Ward, who I do think offensive coach, good old line, weak division, he's a playmaker, a super fluid

athlete. He was a no-star recruit, by the way. He went to a place called incarnate word, which sounds like a term of philosophy professor uses, and you never know what it means. But it's a college. No star recruit. I think in that division with that staff and that offensive line, he's a playmaker. He'll win games.

Is he transformational? I don't know. He plays a lot of hero ball, but there's something there, and he should be your number one quarterback prospect. Shadour Sanders, I like him more than NFL general managers. He's a very smart decision maker, and super composed and accurate.

But he's not, he doesn't have a huge arm. He doesn't have a lot of physical traits that are impressive. And he got sacked a lot in college. Some of that's old lines. Some of it he holds it too long. My take is he will be as good as the coaching staff and his protection. So if he gets the staff, the offensive coach, it'll be fine. If not, it won't be much to write home about.

Number three is Jackson Dart. Folks, I see Zach Wilson with the Jets. His best games were against Duke, Georgia Southern, and Furman. It's Zach Wilson. He's impressive, good-looking kid, confident under Lane Kiffin's system. But in big games, wasn't consistently accurate, wasn't great with pressure. Also, Ole Miss has big-time talent. So this feels like Zach Wilson, where he's going to blow you away with his confidence.

He's got a little bit of an arm, but he was inaccurate in big games. I don't think he sees the field particularly well. I don't think he's an anticipation thrower where I think Shadur Sanders is, so I don't see it, but he'll get drafted in the first round. Enough GMs like him. Jalen Milroy, Alabama, great kid, physical specimen. He is too mechanical to ever be a great professional quarterback. But I do think he's a much better version of Anthony Richardson.

Again, he's inconsistent. You know, you're getting in the 50% completion percentage on third and fourth down. In the NFL, if you're not good in the two-minute drill or on third down, when everybody knows you're throwing, you're not a franchise quarterback for very long. But I do think because he's such a good kid, he's such a hard worker, and he's got some unbelievable traits. Somebody's going to give him a chance to start in this league. But again, he's really mechanical.

He's not terribly fluid. and I think there's limitation. Tyler Shuck out of Louisville, don't get it. Too many injuries in college. Big kid who can throw it, looks the part. But remember, he's older than Trevor Lawrence right now. So the college kids that stay in college forever,

again, he's going to be 27 here pretty quickly, are playing against 20-year-olds and 21-year-olds. So a little overvalued to me. And then Kyle McCourt at Syracuse, who I've been saying now for three months, I think he's the sleeper. Good in big games. anticipation thrower, moves well enough, accurate, highly productive at Ohio State,

had that win against Notre Dame. I like him. I think there's an argument. He's the second best quarterback in this class. Kyle McCourt at Syracuse, formerly of Ohio State. He's my sleeper. Cam's the best, and Chadour will be as good as where he lands. All right, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, on a Monday. Good to be back. Live in Los Angeles, it's the hurt. Hey guys, it's us The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

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