The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Russell Wilson, Patriots
Episode Date: September 1, 2022Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Thoughts on Russell Wilson's new contract with the Broncos Should we give Bill Belichick the benefit of the doubt? Guest: Dave Aranda #douggottliebshowSee omnystudi...o.com/listener for privacy information.
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We'll talk about all of that.
But the news of the day is Russell Wilson got paid.
And there's a lot of things that come to your mind.
Adam Schafter broke the story earlier today.
Watson, excuse me, Wilson agrees to a $254 million extension
that gives them $165 million.
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The mega deal is the third most lucrative contract in NFL history in terms of guaranteed
money.
Only Kyla Murray's guarantee and Deshaun Watson's guarantee are more.
Now, there's a lot of things that came to mind, and I'm just going to bullet point them.
You know, it's really interesting.
Colin was the first, was the absolute first a couple years ago to talk about Russell
Wilson being unhappy in Seattle.
And I don't think Russell Wilson was unhappy living in Seattle, playing in Seattle.
Oh, do you remember Colin also said, like, look, if we're going to give where column was right,
where column was wrong.
Where he was right, Russell wanted out.
Where he was wrong, it wasn't about market size.
It wasn't about anything other than the bottom line.
Russell Wilson wanted to get paid.
And at some point, the Seahawks are like, we love you.
We already gave you a big deal.
were good for now.
And that good for now
ended up eventually starting the process of him
being sent at the end of this past season.
Remember, it was before the previous season
where it was like, you know, I don't want to be traded,
but if I was traded, it'd be these four spots.
Like that doesn't, that was, this relationship is ending.
It's just a matter of when, not if.
So the first thing was,
Colin was right.
But he was right when he was traded.
Collin was wrong.
It was about the money.
It was about the money.
And I do think that what the Seahawks are thinking is what we talked about John Gruden doing going back to yesterday, right?
The brilliance in John Gruden, the brilliance in John Gruden was that he realized, hey, I have a talented wide receiver.
I have a super talented outside linebacker rush end.
and I'm not any good
and I got to pay them both.
What if I ship them both?
And not only do I get picks in return,
three first round picks total for those two players,
but I also essentially get cap relief
because I would have had to re-up those guys for more money
than I could really pay.
And even if I pay them, we're still not any good.
We need the volume of players.
The first thing that came to my mind was
all this other stuff about style of offense or whatever.
Great.
It was about getting paid for Russell Wilson.
always has been. And look, they're professional football players. They're allowed for it to be about money.
But the problem is that no one says it's about what it's about. It's about the money. So that's the first thing.
The second thing is, if you're Lamar Jackson, this was not a good day for you. Because how many people had you heard say, well, you know, and myself included, like, look, if you're using comps, if using
comparable contracts, the latest contract deal that pushed the envelope was Dishon Watson.
And so if you're Lamar Jackson, you're like, look, I've been an MVP, Deshaun hasn't.
Similar levels of success in the playoffs.
Deshawn's been hurt.
I haven't.
DeShons has off-the-field baggage.
I don't.
Now, the other side to it is, it's technically Dishan's third contract, not his second.
and maybe the bigger thing is now
Russell Wilson's contract falls more in line with Kyler Murray's contract
than it does with Deshaun Watson
and Russell Wilson is far more accomplished than either quarterback.
I know Lamar won an MVP that doesn't matter in comparison
to Russell Wilson in his third contract,
getting $165 million in guarantees.
So however you want to word where Kyler is, where Russell is,
that's where Lamar will fall.
that's where he'll fall.
And if you don't believe me, watch.
If he doesn't get a deal, you know, before the season starts, at the end of the season,
it'll be the same thing, maybe a slightly higher number if he performs well.
But the reality to it is, the reality is, the Ravens still hold the card of two potential franchise tags,
and then if they want to, a transitional tag, which are crazy amounts of money.
But with a quarterback who plays a style, which you could be injured,
It's not crazy to say, hey, we'll just bet on you for a year,
and then we can always negotiate a contract during that period of time.
The last part of it is the brilliance of Russell Wilson.
Remember, they had the Let Russ Cook.
That didn't work at the end of either of the past two seasons,
especially last year coming off a hand injury,
and that doesn't really matter.
Once you establish a reputation in the NFL as a quarterback,
and when you find a new home,
one of the reasons guys want to be traded
is because that's the easiest way to get a new contract.
So congrats to Russell Wilson.
He got his new contract.
Congrats to the Broncos.
They have their quarterback,
and they have a quarterback-friendly head coach
that Aaron Rogers even swears by,
but not nearly as profitable a day for Lamar Jackson as one would think.
And please stop with the Pete's offense or need a big market
or whatever you want to say,
This was about one thing for Russell Wilson, and he accomplished that goal.
Getting paid.
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back to last year. And Dave Aranda would have been, would have been, I think, the first pick
on any of their, any of their lists. He chose to stay at Baylor. Why? Why? I'll ask him.
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So Baylor has gone through several turnarounds.
And I have a unique look at this program because when I was in the Big 12 as a student athlete,
okay, Kevin Steels, and Kevin Steels, I believe it was his first game as head coach, right?
He took over Baylor, and Baylor had just years before moved from the Southwest Conference
to the Big 12.
And I don't know if you guys remember this game.
Everybody at Baylor remembers this game.
So I'm sorry if I'm going to pour salt in the wound.
They were going to beat UNLV, who at the time was pretty good.
But instead of taking a knee at the end of the game, they went for a touchdown.
They fumble at the one yard line.
UNLV picks it up, runs it back, runs it in for a touchdown, wins the game.
Kevin Steele's program never really recovers.
Obviously, Art Bryles on the field, they turned it into a national power.
we know what happened that led to his ouster.
Matt Ruhl took it from a one-win team to an 11-win team,
then he went to the NFL.
That's where Dave Irana came in.
And from two wins in year one to 12 wins and a Sugar Bowl win last year,
what an incredible turnaround.
Dave Randa head coach at Baylor joins us in the herd on Fox Sports Radio.
Coach, how are you?
Doing great.
Thanks for having me here.
Your story is amazing.
It's often been labeled as unique.
Okay.
You grew up in Southern California, Redlands, which is more than Inland Empire, right?
Yes.
But you started coaching when you were still in college?
Is that where you started coaching high school football?
Yeah.
Well, I was in high school, I was always injured.
So I've had, I think it was five kind of lost track.
I think there's five shoulder operations on my right shoulder.
So through high school, I played my sophomore year, and then I started to get injured.
and then I was only really healthy during the summertime, you know, after the rehab of the shoulder operation in the fall in the spring.
I'd be back in summer and then I would hurt it again in fall camp.
And so kind of got, you know, close to the coaches at that time and still close to them now.
And then ended up going right after high school to a junior college and coached high school ball right after that.
and then try to make, you know, it was going to make a comeback and play ball that I had never really played in college at a school called California Lutheran University's in Thousand Oaks and got hurt there too, riding camp, and then started coaching as a student there.
And we had a great time.
Well, what people in Southern California know about Calhulu was it used to be home not just to the Cowboys training camp, but also the John Wooden basketball camp.
I believe like all the Southern California camps
they're out at Calhulu so it was kind of like a little cradle of coaching
but but but but it's and then of course it spawn your continued interest
but you're also like this philosopher right you have philosophy degree
I know that Dr. Jerry Lynch and his book made you curious
how did your your desire to explore philosophy coincide with your desire to
coach football those those don't seem like
like an intersection.
They seem like, you know, two things that go in opposite directions.
No, I appreciate that.
Yeah, it started at Calutra.
So there is a professor there, philosophy professor named William Burstley.
And, you know, it was one of those you have to take these undergrad classes
to kind of fill this undergrad requirement.
And I'm in the class.
And I had just, you know, maybe the,
year prior, just kind of discovered that school is so much easier once you read and prepare
and kind of do the work and be engaged and everything. And so this is far cry from high school.
And so I'm kind of starting to get into school and all of it. And philosophy class was just so
intriguing and I'm just engaged. And I had never really been engaged before in a class.
and I ended up speaking with him in his office hours,
and he's telling me about this and that.
I remember this was about the time the Matrix movie came.
I'm just saying, hey, this movie's about this, and this is everything,
and this thing's about this.
And it's like all these connections,
and he's kind of just the time where it was like Riles went to Houston
and we had Mani Mani Mansocassac went to Texas State,
so there's some opportunities to co-teacher
and really almost like go to Divan.
I come back full circle, though, in a lot of ways to that time.
I guess that's who I really was the whole time.
You know, you've had this incredible journey.
Was there a moment, you know, like when you follow Gary Anderson on his staff from Utah State to Wisconsin and it didn't work?
And I remember when Gary left Utah State, he called every kid and parent.
You know, like he did all the right things in leaving.
And then it just didn't work at Wisconsin.
And then you guys as a staff gets fired.
Was that a moment?
Was there a moment where you thought?
Maybe this isn't my path?
What I feel like it's, that it's not for me or it's not my path is, is, I don't know, whenever I just feel, I mean, start with some of my job now is like, a lot of it is getting, is trying to, to nudge and influence guys so that they don't do what they want, you know?
And so, like, the times where you really feel the ego just, you know, it's just a hungry ghost, man.
And it's just, you want more and more and more.
And you just feel like, you know, we're outnumbered here.
You know, we're not really moving the needle any.
And all of this is the kind of the task within the task.
I understand, you know, the games on Saturday and the outcomes and the money that's, you know,
derived and all of it, but within all of that, a couple layers down is, you know, who are you
becoming as a part of all of that? And I think, you know, to live in the world as it is, but then
to really try to move to the world as it should be, you know, the world as it is, we'll call
that power, the world as it should be. Let's use the word love for that. And so to move away from
blaming and shaming and kind of flexing on people and power gains.
and all this other thing to get it towards more of like a and we talked about in our staff
like empathy was defined or became a word like in 1915 which seems like you know it's over
a hundred years ago but it does it it feel it should be it's actually more recent than you
think considering how long language is as existed yeah and look after them you know what about me
what do you mean talking about him and so i just think there's such work to
to do there.
And I think what you're actually doing, all that stuff,
we're trying to get all of that to translate to win.
The greatest embodiment of your team's turnaround last season,
I thought, was how you beat my alma mater, Oklahoma State.
You lost to them early in the year in a close game,
and you get a stop at like the one inch line, right?
Like the difference, but it's the, it's, how do you get a team or a program?
And I know that Baylor had had a lot of recent winning when you got there,
but when you have a year of losing, like your first,
first year and the the COVID year.
The whole trick, I don't know, trick to it is getting guys to believe that something good
is going to happen as opposed to something bad is going to happen, right?
The first year, everything that could go wrong went wrong.
The second, last year, everything that could go right went right.
How'd you do it?
How did you turn that mentality around as a program?
I think, you know, I look at the in-between times of just take a normal Tuesday
or a Wednesday in any given week.
And if there's an expectation, it's not being met.
And there's not like an outburst.
There's not a, you know, F this, F that.
There's none of that.
There's kind of like a, you know, hey, you're not acting like you normally are acting.
Is there something wrong?
You know, those things.
When it's like, you know, when it's talked about right now
and you're not in the heat of it, it's one thing.
But when you're in the heat of it and you are competitive
and you want to build it, do well and all this sort of thing,
and it's not, you know, and it's not the thing you want
when you can meet people where they're at.
I think if you do that enough,
then people are going to feel safe that this is real
because I think so much of it is that all of it's fake,
that this dude's fake and it's a game
and this guy's playing me
and so they're going to protect themselves, you know?
Yeah.
And so to get past all of that to where there's a trust and there's like out for my best interest.
And I can show them who I really am.
And so much, you know, think about what everything it takes to have like an honest conversation.
And how hard that is, you know, no, you know, cut.
Dave Irana, joining us, Baylor head coach, Big 12 champions and, of course, Sugar Bowl champions as well.
This is what I was told and you can tell me if it's true or if it's, if it's fiction.
I was told that there's all these jobs open, several which, of course, would be rightfully interested in you.
And you're at like a staff meeting for all of the coaches at Baylor.
And you simply said, you didn't even talk about the possibility of interviewing for another job.
It was just, okay, so here's the plan for next year.
Is that an accurate depiction of how it went down?
Yes.
Yeah.
I think, you know, being at Baylor, you look at the athletic, just,
the landscape here with men's basketball, women's basketball, you know, Akron, Tumbling,
and, you know, you just look at the success that's been kind of throughout track and field
to be another one.
And so there is a, you know, it's bigger than just the individual sport.
And so I think, you know, Baylor creates, where I think maybe most programs or most schools
or kind of one lane, one lane roads.
Baylor has, there's another lane.
And that lane is in faith.
There's going to be character growth.
There's going to be even really kind of built into those other two.
And so that lane just, it was just all about just winning ball.
Like that's probably the thing I at least talk about or the thing I least do, you know?
Yeah.
Last thing.
And I know you got Ron.
you've been more than appreciative of your time.
You left LSU and that thing fell apart.
We've seen other programs have incredible seasons,
but the next year is harder.
How do you sustain it?
What's the secret to trying to sustain the success
as now a top 10 ranked team in the preseason?
It's a good question.
I think from 20 to 21, it was belief.
It was like, you know, that was the issue.
It seems like a nice guy.
I don't know if he's real or not.
You know, I don't know if all this Super Soul Sunday stuff, has anything to do with winning games.
We won two games last year.
You know, that was the thing.
It was the belief, you know.
This year is kind of like the ownership.
Sometimes, especially so from our older guys, you know, they had a role that you are.
And you redshirted or intro song comes.
There's a camera in your face and you walk out and the crowd's cheering and all of it and then get in the ring and Buffer does his thing and he announces you in the crowd's going like,
After they do that, they don't.
You have to fight after that, man, and you've got to get hit and you get your face,
and it's got to, you know, they're going to pop a shoulder back and you've got to go.
Coach, I wish you luck in every game except for the Oakland State game.
I really appreciate you spending some time with us, and good luck against Albany to start the season.
No, thank you. Appreciate it.
All right, that's Dave Miranda.
The head coach of the Big 12 champion, Baylor Bears.
Really, I mean, obviously, if you listen to the entirety of that interview,
there's a he's always been described as unique he's been described as a
a bit of an introvert and you can hear like there's a there's not always the old ball coach
style and I thought it's fascinating and the friends that I do have at Baylor were like no he didn't
even like he didn't even leverage us he just got his assistants a little bit more money and
went back to work which is crazy because obviously LSU would have done back flips to get him back
When they won national championship, he was their defensive coordinator.
That's it.
That, I'm sure, hits you,
hit you differently than what you thought a top 10 ball coach would sound like in the herd.
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I love the UFC analogy, by the way, at the end.
And the wiping your blood.
Did you see that?
Did you see that fight that he's talking about?
Yeah, was it
Luke Rockhold? Yeah, exactly.
It's like his last fight ever.
He's like taking his forehead and just rubbing it across his opponent as they're doing some grappling.
Yeah, that was...
It was an all-timer.
Yeah, that takes a special kind of person.
He's a special one.
He's a special one. He's a special.
That takes some serious guts in that regard.
All right, Doug, let's turn our attention to some NFL, a new development regarding a story we've been following the past couple days now.
It's all started with Cynthia Freeland of the NFL network sharing a conversation she had with Baker Mayfield where they talked about facing his former team and according to her Mayfield said I'm going to F them up.
Those comments were then relayed to his former teammate Miles Garrett who took it in stride and said quote, I don't think any less of him because he's going to go out there and do the same thing he always did when he was with us.
Everything's gone full circle here, Doug, as these comments were taken to Baker Mayfield and here's what.
what he said about the exchange.
First, I didn't say it.
Obviously, I mean, everybody's going to write whatever story they want.
There's history that I've played over the last four years.
I'm an extremely competitive person.
Everybody knows that.
If I wasn't wanting to win,
and there would be a really big issue of me being a quarterback here.
So I want to win everything I do.
That'll never change.
Now, that is not how I phrased it.
It's not even what I said.
So let's leave it that.
Look, I get Baker wanting to sort of clarify maybe what he did or didn't say, but it's also perhaps a characterization of a conversation that we wouldn't be all that surprised if that's what Baker had actually said.
Yeah, I mean, I think, I think how it was basically she put, she put the F word into the, or the phrase kind of into his mouth, whatever, and he never actually said it.
It was like, it sounds like he said a yeah, you know.
Yeah.
But the, I mean, there's two points to it.
One, and I know it was in a podcast.
But that's a hard one, right?
That's not one which, you know, you got to ask the question and allow them to be the star,
allow them to answer the.
And she's not the only one.
Like, lots of people do this when you study interviewing, when you just, you say something
and then they say, yeah.
And that's, but that's not a quote.
Right.
But the other part to it is, like, look, it's kind of what we're all saying,
which is whether he's,
said that exactly or meant it or felt it, which is kind of what I gathered from it, which is
that's truly how he feels. I don't want a guy to be quarterback of my team who doesn't feel
that way. Sure. I take the, it's like the, it's like the guarantee, oh, he guaranteed to win.
Like, do you think anybody walks out of a locker room with the idea like, I don't think we're
going to, I don't think we got this one today? If that's the case, then don't play. So I'm,
I'm not offended by the real quote, the fictional quote, or the whatever in between the quote that
was put into his mouth that he didn't actually say whichever one.
Like, did you not think that he wants to kick their ass?
Of course he does.
Yeah, I don't see any issue with this whatsoever.
It's definitely one of those situations where it feels like a pile on with Baker.
You know, the guy's been down and out for going on nine months now since the Brown season started to unravel.
And this just felt like an easy, like, oh, man, look at Baker, never learns his lesson.
I think there's a lot that Baker can do differently than how he handled things in Cleveland.
I don't think this would be a fair characterization of why he failed in Cleveland and something that he needs to fix.
Yeah, I mean, look, even if you go back to the Kansas thing in college, like, they wouldn't shake his hand.
They took cheap shots at him.
And when they, when, oh, you rolled him, you know, he was talking a little, like, listen, if that bothers you, sports isn't for you.
That's fair.
There's a lot of other things.
If Baker telling off Kansas bothers you, you know what, sports not for you.
If Baker's saying, you know, or alluding to wanting to beat his former team, he was the number one pick and he had everything going, he took him to the playoffs from zero wins.
Like, I'm not the world's biggest fan of Baker as a football player, just in terms of overall talent.
But if you don't like the competitive nature of dudes, then sports isn't for you and that's okay, right?
There's a lot of other thing.
150 million people watch the Super Bowl.
That means 200 million people do not.
Okay?
Find what those 200 million people do during the Super Bowl.
Yeah, last point.
I mean, if it were to be, if you wanted to criticize Baker Mayfield with like the,
hey, you know, as the franchise quarterback, you probably shouldn't be calling out the training staff.
Or you shouldn't be talking about, I think it was Duke Johnson when they were like potentially talking about a trade request or whatever.
And he's like, well, if you're not with us, you're against.
us and then he never ended up actually getting traded so the guy was still on the team.
If you want to talk about those things, like, hey, man, you've got to be smarter about
talking about personnel or training staff or whatever if you're the franchise quarterback.
This general smack talk is like, come on, let him do his thing.
It's part of what made him great.
That last sentence is the thing.
And I understand, I agree with you.
First of all, it's like, we agree on that part, right?
That the other things, the ancillary things he said gets you in trouble.
whereas, but the problem with it is this is who, this is what made Baker.
You know, Baker's a lot more hat than he is cattle.
He just is.
And I think what went bad in Cleveland was he just won that good and then he was banged up.
And when you're borderline in terms of that good talent-wise and you're nicked up,
now you're not that good and you can't make the right plays.
And then you're, you know, you're thinking about the wrong things.
So I think that's what led him.
I think it was a talent thing that caused him to not be good enough in Cleveland,
nothing else.
And then the things about his personality that made him
made him more of an irritant because it wasn't going well.
Fair enough.
We'll keep it in the NFL, Doug.
It was late last week at the Bengals Rams joint practice
when videos and pictures of Aaron Donald emerged
swinging a helmet during a scuffle with Cincinnati players.
Now, Aaron Donald, having to address the situation
was asked about swinging helmets and here's what he had to say about it?
It was just a practice.
You know, obviously people got phones out and things like that,
but I'm not going to sit and talk about negative stuff that happened at a practice.
My main focus is Buffalo.
So, you know, pretty company standard line.
Obviously, the immediate reaction was whether or not Donald would face any punishment for this.
Then many of the league reporters pointed out that practices are not governed by the league office.
So the only punishment he would face would have to come internally from the Rams,
which we all probably don't.
see that happening in any form or fashion.
Yeah, it feels like,
remember Dr. Evil, was that in
Austin Powers 2 or 3 when he turns
to Mini Me? He's stoned
you ever do that again. Oh, I can't
stay mad at you, right? Remember that?
I don't know if you remember that scene. Sure. That's what this feels
like for the Rams. Definitely.
And we'll wrap it up here
with this, Doug. Obviously, we've spent
a lot of time talking about Jimmy Garoppolo. His decision to stay with the 49ers
to be the backup, take less money, was
surprising, but as you've said, this does seem like it could be a win-win situation for everyone
evolved, at least for now. Former 49ers, defensive back, obviously Seahawks legend, Richard
Sherman agrees. Here's what he had to say about the San Francisco quarterback situation on the
Richard Sherman podcast on the volume. Why not have two engines? Hey, I got a Ferrari, and I just got this
freaking brand new engine, 700 horsepower. Now, I got another engine that's about 500 horsepower.
I know it's, I've had it for years, I know exactly what I get, but this one can really take me there.
Now, I don't know if it's going to blow out on the road.
I don't know what's going to happen, but I know it's faster.
They put that engine in.
So why not keep the other one?
You don't have to throw the other one away?
I like the analogy.
I would have just said two different cars, right?
That's fair.
Sure.
Yeah.
I mean, and I get it.
You have Trey Lance.
He appears to have a much higher ceiling.
That's why they traded picks to go up and get him.
His physical traits seem to present a completely different dynamic than what Jimmy G.
provides. But what Jimmy G
does provide is win healthy.
He is familiar with that offense and has
led them to a lot of wins.
So if you have the opportunity to keep both,
probably going to work out for you.
Well, the big question is
for Trey Lance, you can't play with one eye on the bench.
Sure. You got to just, you got to play free.
And one of the reasons that
starting quarterbacks always get their
panties in a bunch when a
quarterback has drafted is they don't want to be looking at the
sideline thinking,
There's a guy who somebody wants to take a chance and see if he's better than you have.
So, I mean, it's a legit challenge, you know?
It's a legit challenge.
If you handle it, it's going to be hard if you handle it the way that Miami handled it with Ryan Fitzpatrick, right?
Where you're putting him in in the fourth quarter to win games and sitting to a down.
But there's no better way to find out if Trey Lance has it than you.
Then you got a guy that we know can play.
He's, you know, he's not making more money than you.
it is your team
but he is there just in case
I mean it's a
I don't love it because
when you're in that situation it can
take away some from your leadership
but
we'll see if the team stands behind him
during tough times or if he just
explodes on the scene
I think this thing will be fine
but it does to me it feels like a win-win
for the team and organization because
if in fact it goes to
hell in a hand basket you got a guy
Meanwhile, you can still maintain that asset that is Jimmy Garoppolo.
And for Garoppolo, I don't believe he would have done it unless he thought this was most beneficial to his career.
And that's Rhymed with the news.
Well, that's the news.
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Doug Gottlieben for Colin, this is The Hurt on Fox Sports Radio app. You know, we take a lot of things in the preseason, and yet we shouldn't.
We do it every year. You know, how many of you are in love with the Detroit Lions right now because you've watched them on Hard?
You're like, man, I love that team.
They're going to the playoffs this year.
Like, go through a hard knocks team after hard knocks team after hard knocks team.
They let you in and you fall in love with players, coaches.
It's a great TV show.
And it's a promotional tool.
I've never understood the idea.
The idea of, we don't want people in our locker and we don't want people.
When it makes fans of your team.
I think the only one is,
the only one who probably didn't have that same effect was remember when James Harrison was on the Bengals.
That was a weird year.
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And he just, and he even talked about it in my football life.
He just wouldn't let anybody in.
And it made you not a fan of James Harrison, even if when you hear the stories about James Harrison,
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Five-time Pro Bowler and the guy of the architect of maybe the greatest play
in Ellie Steelers Super Bowl history, right?
The end of the first half against the Cardinals.
But regardless of that,
we fall in love with teams or fall out of love with teams
based upon the preseason when it has no real determination
into what's going to happen in the first.
regular season. But we have heard enough chatter of the Patriots and their struggles offensively,
which coincide with the fact that they don't have an offensive coordinator and the two coaches,
Matt Patricia and Joe Judge, that are in charge of the offense, don't have an offensive
background. Now it is Bill Belichick. So it doesn't seem, it doesn't seem like the process is a
particularly advantageous one for a young quarterback, right?
Like Mac Jones last year was good, fine.
They were safe with it, especially because, and you had Josh McDaniels,
who's a brilliant offensive mind, kind of protecting him.
Here's Mac Jones talking about his offense yesterday.
Yeah, it's been good.
I think a lot of learning experiences, and that's always room for growth.
So I think it's been good.
I think we've ironed out a lot of things, and it's good that they're happening now.
And I feel confident in what we're doing.
We just got to go out there and do it for 60 minutes.
And that's just play by play.
And obviously during practice, same thing, play by play.
Go out there and execute it.
And once you turn on the game film and you look back and there's, you know, 45, 50 good plays and, you know, hopefully you come out on top.
But that's more about executing it and doing your job individually.
And we all do that.
11 guys do it close to right every play.
Then you'll have a good play.
What I think is taking place in New England, and again, this is not.
me philosophically telling it.
It's basically they're putting in an offense.
They put it in the zone run scheme, right?
Which you have two guys in Joe Judge who I coached against it a ton and Matt
Patricia who coached against the ton and Bill Belichick.
And they've seen it like, man, this is where the NFL is going.
This is what we want to do.
We want to put in what everybody else is running and we want to be good at it.
We love it.
But when you haven't run it yourself, when you haven't been an offensive guy,
an offensive coordinator yourself,
there's a whole rhythm to it,
and it's really hard to coach what you don't know.
And the only way in which you figured out is trial and error.
And there's been obviously a lot of errors here in the preseason
is they're trying to remake themselves.
And then if you look at the Patriots over the last decade,
they've really used the first four games of the season
as trial and error extended preseason.
You remember the year,
I mean, they've had years of,
in which even with Brady, they look terrible those first four games of the year.
I mean, I don't remember what game it was,
but the Kansas City game where they got blown out and Trent Dilfer was on ESPN and Monday
football like, this is the end of the Tom Brady era.
That was early season.
They were still trying to figure out who they are.
The basic premise to this thought is, I don't know if it works.
Neither do you.
It does seem like it's far afield.
from how everybody else does it.
But that's the Patriots.
And oh, yeah, by the way, you know, look,
I think one of the greatest coaching jobs in the history of the sport
was going seven and nine in the COVID year.
They had eight opt-outs in their defense.
Cam Newton started a quarterback.
He can't throw.
Cam can't throw a football.
Cam isn't in the league because he can't throw a football.
No other reason.
His shoulder is damaged.
It changed.
His motion was never great.
It made it even worse.
Can't throw football.
and they still won seven games in a highly competitive vision.
Then last year, with a rookie quarterback in a completely remade defense,
they went to the playoffs.
So, again, outside of looking in, hard to coach something you don't know,
hard to coach the side of the ball you haven't coached before.
There's going to be a lot of trial and error.
And if you haven't lived it and done it yourself as a coach or as a player,
which none of these coaches have, boy, that's really, really hard to teach.
But the Patriots have been ahead of the curve and tried things others would not.
for a long time.
And when you've won
being a little bit different
than everybody else
for 25 years,
don't you give the coach the benefit of the doubt?
I would. I will.
Maybe you should too.
We saw something incredible
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