The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Stand Your Ground

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

C&R have fun talking NFL offseason! Would any other team be willing to give Brock Purdy what the Niners will need to shell out? With the Bengals defensive star Trey Hendrickson being the latest to the list of star player requesting trades, what gives? The guys debate how to handle the player's power. Plus, 'OLD-SCHOOL WHEN 50 HITS' honors a B-Ball legend's B-Day!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Whose birthday is it? We'll explain. And we're going to throw it back. Happy birthday. Old school when 50 hits. Actually, I know who you're thinking of. But you know who else's birthday it is? Someone I think you love even more.

You're thinking of a legend in the sports world. It's also, Sensei John Crease's birthday. Martin Cove is 79. Oh, yeah. You're a feisty old man, but I like that. Cobra Kai. I like that. Have mercy.

No, that's actually Jesse Kastopolis. No mercy. No mercy is what I meant to say. So anyway, I'm Kavino. That is Rich. Happy birthday to Martin Cove and to someone else in the world of sports. Happy birthday. We'll celebrate and throw it back when 50 hits. And we get you involved with phone calls at 87799 on Fox. We got to talk Russell Westbrook a little bit. Just a little bix. I thought he did something really cool. Something that, not that I ever had a bad opinion of him, but made me like him more. Touched her.

Caudazon a little. Touched my Goda son. Got to talk about your boy, Dibo and more. Lots to get to on today's show. I want to start out by a headline I saw. And just to show you, the money these athletes make nowadays, sounds like something that a boomer would say, right? The money these athletes make nowadays.

Just the headline's funny when you see the headline that says 49ers low ball Brock Purdy starting at 45 million a year. Just think of that number. Low balling? That sounds just about right. lowballing at 45 million a year that's a low ball number i guess when you think you're making 50 to 60 with i think i'm just saying that sounds fair right oh i agree they'll probably give them more than that but if anyone thinks that's a low ball starting point i'll say keep in mind it's called

the negotiation right so who in any negotiations starts high no there's got to be a little back and forth your boss doesn't say here's all the money we're wheeling out for you you have to negotiate for that. Right, right. So I think it's a fair starting point. I do. I don't think he's worth much more than that, especially if you're on a nice team behind him. Well, what did my grandfather used to tell me about baseball cards and it applies to everything in life? They're worthless, Richie. No, no, they're only worth what someone's willing to give you for them. Yeah, but Grandpa, Jose Cantheko's rated rookie is worth $85. Oh, Richie boy, who's going to give you $85? Well, I don't know, Grandpa, but you'll see.

No one. I'm just saying if the Niners... Billy Ripkin's an error card. It's worth $35, grandpa. It's an effete. There's an obscenity on it. Oh. So, with the baseball card theory, I just look at it as, well, who's going to give Brock Purdy more than $45 to $50 million a year?

If you say, the Niners say, all right, four years, 185. a little more than 45 a year. One, you know, four years, one 90. If he's between 40 and 50 million dollars a year, you don't think they could negotiate and settle on a sweet 50. That's nice. Like four years, two hundo? A little in between.

He wants 60, they want 40, they meet in the middle of 50. If Brock Purdy gets four years, 200, I think most people would be happy. But you got to ask yourself, if the Niners don't, it goes with dating, it goes with work. It goes with baseball cards. It goes with everything in life. The market will dictate what you're worth, right?

You're only worth what people are willing to pay. You'll think, oh, I'm the hottest commodity. Yeah, go on a dating app. They'll tell you if you're a hot commodity. Go to a bar. You'll see who hits on you. You'll see who gives you their number. Who trades DMs with you.

The market tells you. The dating world tells you. Your boss will tell you. Because if you don't like what you're getting paid and you think you're worth more, someone else will give it to you. But I got to ask the question. Who's going to give Brock Purdy?

$55, $60 million a year if the Niners say, yeah, we're not doing that. Is some team going to be like, we desperately need Brock? Listen, I love Brock Purdy, but he's not Mahomes. He's not Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson. That's not, he's that next tier. He's a solid quarterback that's doing well for this team. Will that translate another team? That's the other risk that a team would have to take and that he would have to take.

You see that buck. If I were him, I'd want to stay there at a sweet 50. You see anything as close as possible to 50 just because I know I fit in here and I'm welcomed here. You see that clickbait stuff that's been going around the last couple days where are the Titans interested in Brock Purdy? And I'm like, you know what? If you want to pay Brock Purdy, yeah, but it's not always that. I don't want to put ourselves in an awkward situation, Rich, because I would like to negotiate someday. But you have to factor in.

Like, let's say someone offered us more money. Are they going to still let us do what? we do? Are we going to be as happy? There's other factors. There's so many other factors. Is he going to shine as bright somewhere else and fit into the system the way he does in San Francisco? These are things he needs to keep in mind. It's not always about chasing the bag because he can go to Tennessee or somewhere else and stink it up and his career's down the drain. We've seen it so many times. It's like, dude, you're playing good. You know, stay there. If you're

happy and you're playing well and they're being fair, that's the thing. And I think sometimes that only comes with wisdom. Sure, I'd want to get paid more, but I would factor in, but I'm very happy where I'm at. And like I said, I want to get our own way and then have Fox Sports say, well, then here's this, right? Don't show you, don't play your, don't show us your hand. You don't want to show all your hand, but that's the truth.

If you're happy where you're at, you've got to factor that into the equation. I'm not sure Brock Purdy can go somewhere else and light it up. And with all these big deals, you saw Max Crosby get paid yesterday. Danny G. and the Raiders Nation very happy. There is a layer where once you make a certain amount of money, and again, I'm not spending, nothing bothers me more when other people spend your money, like mentally like, you should do this, you should do this, when you say, why would the athlete take more money to go there?

Listen, some people really are just about the money. But when you're making $40, $50, $60 million a year, it's not like $5 million more is going to make you happy. You have so much money. Isn't there all those studies that show, like once you hit a certain level of wealth, you're not happier if you make more than that? I mean, ask Jim Carrey, your hero. He always talks about seeing the top of the mountain.

He's seen the top of the mountain. And it's not all is cracked up to be. Like Danny G brought up recently, that was the Aaron Rogers story. He won the Super Bowl. That was his lifelong dream as a kid playing football growing up. That was the goal. once he got there and won it's like all right well what else is going to make me happy an extra five million dollars rich is not going to make brock pretty happier him playing well being embraced

by the fans and the team that's where it's at so you find a compromise you settle at they're off in 45 a year yeah anything close to 50 take it the reality if it was a game show if it was like dealer no the oh baby take it take it it seems obvious right but when you think about how we talk about these big numbers. Put in perspective, someone that makes, give me a good round number. A guy that makes $100,000

doing a sales job. Okay. $100,000, he would work 20 years to make $2 million. Put in perspective. You talk about someone, someone makes half a million dollars and they're, you know,

bawling, you know, they're the VP of their company making half a million dollars. It would take them 40 years. years to make $20 million. It's about fair, though, Rich. It's about fair or not.

Can't compare Brock Purdy and his career in professional sports to anyone else. Is it fair and it does? It sounds fair. I know what you're saying. You can't compare, but what I'm saying is one year of Brock Purdy making $50 million after taxes, agent fees, all that. Let's say it comes away with 20-something mill. $20-something million is probably 10 times more than most people will make in their whole

Yeah, sad. So with that said, happiness, where you'll win, all these other things have to play a role. And if Brock Purdy is not a flashy guy and he's a humble guy, let's say he buys a house in the Bay Area or wherever he wants to live, a $5, $10 million house. He could pay in cash and still be like, yeah, I'm good for the rest of my life. No one's going to say poor Brock Prerty. Look at him. He's on only fans now. He's going to be just fine. Also, a big part of your happiness. For us, it's our bosses. who we work for in the NFL. It's your coaches, coaching staff,

especially your head coach, your offensive coordinator. In his case, you know, a defensive coordinator for like Hendrickson and in Sincsey. If he leaves and goes elsewhere, okay, but are you going to get along with the coaches the way you do in Cincinnati? Yeah, coaches that believed in him and banked on him. Like Brock Purdy, I'm not saying he owes anything to John Lynch

and Kyle Shanahan, but they certainly had his back to get him to this point. Exactly. That's all. We can move on. But it's interesting because he's a very specific story, though, too, Rich. Yeah. I just saw the headline as I walked in the studio. This is not what I planned on starting with, but I saw the headline.

It said, Brock Purdy getting lowballed. And I'm like, when you tell me that this guy's going to probably end up with four years, a couple hundred million dollars, that's the lowball. Like, these guys are living in a fantasy lowball. He was Mr. Irrelevant. That's great. I mean, this great story continues as far as I see it. That's amazing.

When you talk about people winning the power ball. Yeah, this is incredible. It's the same thing. This is the continuation of an incredible story. He's getting what? That's great. Take it, Brock, you're the man. And Tom Brady historically has been known to be the guy that takes a little less money for the greater good.

And look what it got him. More contracts, longevity, championships. That's how you do it. You follow the blueprint. There's not necessarily a blueprint in life, right? But Tom Brady did leave a pretty nice blueprint on how to win. and if that's how he did it and he's one of the goats, is Brock Pardy better than Tom Brady?

I don't think so. In fact, I know so. So I would say that's great footsteps to follow. Now, talking about the NFL, let's pivot. Pivot! Now, you don't watch Friends. You never saw that. I know the reference, though.

I'm not a bozo. Kavino's too busy getting booty when everyone else was watching Friends in the 90s. I know. They were carrying a couch up to steps. Whippity-do? I've seen it. Whopiddy-do. seen it. Pivot. Let's pivot to the bigger stories in the NFL, in my opinion, which is

all these superstars demanding trades or asking their team like, yeah, you got to trade me. Debo Samuel, D.K. Medcalf, Trey Hendrickson. These are Miles Garrett. These are big name guys and you son in the NBA, Jimmy Butler. Is the new way in sports? If you're a superstar, if you just, part of my language, if you just bitch and complain enough, is that your way to get what you want? Like, don't we teach our kids the opposite? Like, that would be like telling your kid, like,

stop crying and I'll get your basket robins. You want to go to Coldstone Creamery, simmer down? Like, that's bad parenting. We're giving it to bad parenting. Bitch and complain. My dad would say bitch and moan. Oh, yeah, moments are good. Yeah, you bitch and moaning.

That's the expression. But is that, is that the way? It's been the way for a minute. I know. I don't think this is anything new. it's a matter of do you give into it or not? And the phrase over the years. I look at it this way.

If you're a disgruntled employee, then beat it. It's like Aaron Judge recently said when asked about the facial hair, right? The facial hair change. I heard he has a foo man true now. Is that true? No, he said he's choosing to not have facial hair, at least for now. He does in the offseason, but he said, look, the greats before me did it that way in respect to them. and the traditions, you know, I'm fine with them.

I'm cool with that. He said, but if that was the determining factor of you wanting to play here or not, then maybe you shouldn't play here. Like, if that's really what it means to you, like, then you're not thinking big picture of what it really means to play for this team. Then you don't want to be on this team anyway. Even Johnny Damon said that recently. He's like, yo, man, I loved my beard, but I wanted to play for the Yankees.

If you really want to play for that team, you're not going to act this way. So as an owner who's paying you ridiculous money, I would take the approach of like, then beat it. I'm a believer. It's like a girl in a relationship who's acting whole hum about you. It's like, I know it's easier said than done, but it's like, well, if you don't want to be with me, I want to be with someone that wants to be with me. So then go and see if the grass is greener. And that's what these owners are doing.

And I'm glad. It's not a matter of them giving in. It's a matter of them saying, then beat it. I get out of my face. I see what you're saying, but I know we've always heard the phrase. squeaky wheel gets the oil. That goes back generations, right? Like, you know, complain enough that, you know, you'll get attention.

I hate it, Rich, but it's true. I know what you're saying. You're saying, yo, you don't want to be in this marriage or relationship, or you don't want to be at this company, or you don't want to be part of this radio show or TV show. If you don't want to be here, get out. Yeah, there's the door. But that's the reality, Rich.

There's contracts, dude, like a guy. If you're telling me, D.K. Metcalf just is like, yeah, I'm sort of done. Okay. He could dictate this? Fox Sports Radio Nation. if you're a small business owner, pretend you are, if you're not. You have a disgruntled employee. He can't be replaced?

Beat it. You want that guy working for your company when you're trying to put a good product out there? That's really what this is on a grander scale. Contractor not. If this guy's unhappy, he's not producing for you. You want a sour Jimmy Butler in your locker room bringing down the vibe of everybody? I know it's sad to say, well, then that player wins because they pout and they get what they want, but is that what you want as an owner? How would you handle it then?

Because I would be like, then get it. Go, go. You know what, everything you're saying? And hope that karma gets that person. I don't disagree with you. I know. I just think it sucks. It sucks because what you're saying is if you're a big enough star, pout and get what you want. And I guess what I agree you're saying. If you're, I look at it as I'm hoping the other owners see the attitude and the type of character this person has. because what do you think that guy is going to change all of a sudden because he's somewhere else? No, because eventually he's going to get to another place and pout again. And then pout again, that's just the way someone is at that point. I'm not being a sour...

So they're basically advertising like, hey, I'm a problem person. I'm problematic. They're holding up signs saying they're difficult. I'm not being a sour 49 or Sam, but I have said to you guys, what did I say all last year? I said, yo, I love Debo, but it seems like he's... His vibes are off. I said all last year. I said, Debo doesn't have that smile.

He's not, there's something. Yeah, but then you threw him a pass on our Super Bowl stage. Yeah, but you know what? I was the reason. I was like, you know what? I don't know with this guy. There's a reason that we, Kavino and Rich, have some longevity. It's not because we have the greatest broadcaster.

I like to think that. I like to think that, hey, we're entertaining, right? But we're easy to work with. I think that's very undermined and downplayed in life and in sports. You know, these guys, there's so many players that were great, but they were difficult. Terrell Owens comes to mind. He could have still played. He just was a headache after a while.

People stopped wanting to work with you. I know people in my life that are super talented, but guess what? They're not working and they're not finding jobs. You know why? Difficult. So as an owner, you've had enough of this guy, right? I've had enough.

This guy doesn't make or break your organization. Guess what the Bengals go on with or without this dude, right? And he's advertising. He's difficult. So, yes, someone else will pick him up, but he's going to be difficult somewhere else. But Covino, what if a player does it respectfully? Like we don't know how Hendrickson is handling this in Cincinnati.

Maybe he went to the owner and the general manager in a respectful way and said... Yeah, then that's different. Yeah, I just move on, but he's not going through the media and he's not pouting and he's not saying negative things. I don't want to play here. You're never going to get the production out of that dude that you're paying him for. Like I said, I hate to bring it back to relationships. if there's a woman in your life and I've been there, I've been through divorce and everything else

and she's like, I don't want to be here anymore. You're never going to get that production out of her if she doesn't want to be in this relationship. That's not a mutual respect at that point. You know, if you know a player on your team or an employee of your company

is out the minute their contract or agreement is up, they got to be in it mentally. Then you're just sort of biting time. You know, that's why a lot of times contracts, they'll open it up early and be like, yeah, you know what? We'll buy you at or get out of here because you're right. It's, you know, like your senior year, how towards the end you sort of give up?

That's the mindset too when a contract's coming to an end and you're like, yeah, I know. That's why it's more than money, man, because these players in anything that you're involved in, but these players particularly have to be drinking the Kool-Aid of whatever that team is. It's like, you know who's done a great job of that? Baker Mayfield. I don't know, he comes to mind immediately because whatever team he's on and what, we've seen him on four teams

you didn't see him drinking the Kool-Aid of these teams making the best of that situation. Like that's what they have to do but it's so money-driven that it no longer becomes about the team, it becomes about the money. But that's the problem. So you want these players to really buy into that organization.

This is a tricky one. And if they're not, beat it. And this is where we get your feedback next. 87799 on Fox. Debo, DK, Trey, Jimmy Butler, NBA. When players, the word demand is strong, but when they demand the trade

or ask the team, sometimes it's time to move on, Rich, like Danny G. Insinuated, that's fair. Sometimes it's time. Shohei Otani, it was time for him to move on. He out grew that city. It was his time. He, you know, filled out his time there.

Other times, people are poutin until they get their way. If someone request a trade. Yeah, there's different ways, too. It could be a veteran that's like, yo, I'm not even sniffing the postseason. Like how Damian Lillard did it. Yeah, Damien Lillard did everything he could. Right. Yeah, that's fair. We're not criticizing that type of situation. Denny, there are veterans that have been stars that are like, listen, with the teams I've stayed loyal to, I'm not sniffing the postseason.

I would request a trade because I just want a chance to win. Dude, it could be something else that we often forget to factor in. Like, hey, man, my family's not happy out here. and it's going to tear my marriage apart. These are real things that we never factor in. Yeah. It could be a player that played his whole career on the West Coast, got sent to the East, and he's like, yeah, I'm not vibing.

My family is. My wife's just not happy. Everyone's not happy. And you know what? That could play a role, and we'll take your feedback next. How do you think it should be handled in the NFL, in the NBA? In any sport, for that matter, where someone says, yeah, I set one out, but they're still under contract.

Do you, because what happens always too, Danny, you're seeing it with the Niners, you've seen it with players. The teams that trade the star don't really get the proper. But Rich, what we're seeing is the proper back end of the trade. The slippery slope. When this became, I don't know if we could backtrack to find when this really started, you know, but when this started to be a thing, it was problematic because you're like, well, wait, they're under contract.

So they pout, they get their way? This is the problem. because you're like, well, why is this happening now? It's because they've been given in. It's become a thing. It's become the norm. No one's honoring their contracts. Your thoughts. We'll take them next Thursday.

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D.K. Metcalfe, Miles Garrett, Debo. And the question is, Jimmy Butler in the NBA. Jimmy Butler. You got all these disgruntled people or people demanding trades. Not everyone is necessarily disgruntled. We don't know all the backstories, right? But they're demanding trades.

Why have we come to the point where owners, are allowing this. The question I wrote down here, Rich, was why? And I think the answer lies somewhere in the backtracking of, we all remember when this started like five to eight years ago certain players were pouting and they weren't playing and we were asking ourselves, why? Because we had never seen that before. Owners paid you to play and you played whether you liked it or not. And then eventually people started taking a stand and pushing back. Your contract was up. Then you had a chance to renegotiate or go somewhere else. Well, the why lies in, well, who started that?

And why did we let it happen? And because it started to happen, it became the norm. And that's why we're seeing it today, saying, how is this going on? As your dad would say, yeah, that bitch in and moaning. It almost seems like by complaining and moaning about it. But that's why you don't let things happen because it becomes a slippery slope. You're getting what you want if you just complain. And again, I said it's like if you're a mom or dad, if your kids,

acting up and you're like, stop crying and we'll go get ice cream. That's what we're doing really to these players. But again, on the flip side, and it's the side that I lean on, because we're having a conversation here trying to explore all angles as to why. As an owner, do you want this disgruntled baby bringing down the vibe of your team? If there was a virus here at Fox Sports Radio, we work for great people and good leaders, what would they do? They'd get rid of it.

It brings down everybody. And I think that's what they're doing and that's how they're looking at it. You know, Debo had a nice farewell. It's not the players are winning. It's the owners are saying, all right, then beat it because you're bringing down the vibe of the clubhouse. I mean, Debo had a very kind farewell. Had nice things to say about Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. But, you know, I think everyone was in agreement.

Like, yeah, the vibe wasn't there anymore. The partnership, something wasn't the same. So I don't know. Your thoughts? Where did this begin? Let's start with Ryan in Millen. of O'AWK on line one. Ryan, Kavino and Rich, what's up, buddy?

Hey, how are you guys? What's up, brother? Hey, I was just thinking back to, like, I'm pretty sure, but not certain. I'm a big James Hardin fan, but I stayed it might have been a starting point with the whining. Yo, dude, honestly, this is why I love talk radio. It's like we're chopping it up at the barbershop, and I got these thoughts, and sometimes I can't pinpoint them, but we're having a collective conversation, and you just read my mind, dude. I think that's the one for me.

Hardin was one of the guys. where he was like, like, man, that's kind of wild what these guys are doing. And then it becomes a thought of, are you on the player side or the owner's side? Because it's kind of cool that they're pushing back and sticking it to the man. But we had never seen that. But then it becomes a normal thing. And that's why we're dealing with it today. That's right.

I mean, listen, I know our buddy Trevor and Waco wants to chime in. That's a great one, man. On this side of like, if you put this in perspective of small business, like, let's say you own a bakery. And one of your employees is like, you know, I want to get out of here. I want to work for the other bank. There comes a point where you're like, well, then I don't want your complaining ass here. Then go. Trevor, your thoughts, buddy.

First off, I want to say, great job on the show. I've been listening for quite some time and you guys do awesome. And it's interesting. Thanks, man. So we're in this type of stance as a phone. So I think that type of behavior in a team. Interesting. You hear that?

Selfless. Let's explain. Danny G. stepped out. Yeah. Danny G. stepped out. So Rich answered the call. Selflessly.

Yeah. I ran to get my phone charger and I told Rich, Rich watch the phone for two minutes. We told Trevor you had to go to the bathroom. Trevor, what's your thoughts on the small business side of this man? If you're a small business owner, do you want this disgruntled guy on your team? I'm starting, you know, I'm starting a small business

and I'll keep it short, but ultimately something I learned the wrong time ago was a couple things with these athletes that are complaining. If you're constantly complaining and no one else around you is about the same issues, then the problem is probably in the mirror first thing. Secondly, if you are complaining, I always tell my team members, hey, if you have a problem, there's no issue with, I don't have an issue with you trying to make this operation better, but being a solution, right?

Always bring a solution to the problem. And I think those two things are key. You want to hear feedback from your employees because sometimes I can improve efficiency. Yeah, but, yeah. And that's all great advice, and I appreciate the call, man. And thanks for the kind words. but as much as I want to say we'll beat it then,

you also have to think about, what's that old expression? You got to keep your pin-pan strong, Rich. The owner's got to stay strong here and... Like the heat did. Stay in their ground because if the player chooses to continue to go down that path, right? They're just diminishing their own value. And eventually they're going to realize that.

So it's counterproductive for them in the long run to continue being that way. Yeah. Something else, Rich, too, really quick, that came to mind because it happens a lot in our business, philosophical differences. And you saw that with Kauai Leonard in San Antonio. Remember, he had the quad injury. Wait a second. Was it Kauai Leonard or Hardin that really rubbed me the wrong way? I think it may have been Kauai.

See, the first one that came to my mind was Kauai because his team, he wanted his own doctors. And his representatives were causing a problem with the Spurs medical team. And there was a big beef there. and that forced him out of San Antonio. That's another really good one, Danny G. And that's when we all began scratching our heads and we started seeing a new way of players making demands. And if you really want to backtrack and get to the core of, well, why?

It's because they're really well paid. And they have the power to say, yeah, I don't need to do this. I already got millions of dollars. So that's really where the problem lies. You gave these guys so much money that they're like, I don't need you. I got there just as much in demand and in power of the situation. and, you know, it becomes a stickery, slippery, slope. And you got to ask yourself, am I on the side of the player or the team?

Did you say it's stickery and slippery? I made that up. I like that. Stickery. You know, before we go to DB in a second, I just thought of other examples throughout life, not just sports. Those are some great ones. And I actually look some up. To get out of a deal with Warner Brothers, remember Prince, the artist formerly known as Prince, and he was a symbol.

That was his workaround. No, I forgot him. Tell me about him. Yeah. You might have known this guy, Prince? You might have heard of him? I think I remember. I have one.

I guarantee, you don't know. Ernest Hemingway, this goes back a long time. Apparently, he wanted to get out of a publishing deal. So he wrote a stinker of a book. So the company would be like, Oh, Hemingway doesn't have it anymore. What? No way.

That's crazy. In the world of radio, do you remember, of course, famous on the East Coast, Opie and Anthony, the only way they could go to a better job offer in New York was if they got fired. So they fake the mayor's death in their city, knowing we're going to get fired,

got the big job in New York City. Let's fake his death, Opie. Okay, yeah. I heard he's back on radio. And Jeremy Piven, this is alleged, but do you remember he faked? They say he may have faked mercury poisoning because he didn't want to be on a Broadway show he signed up for

and he apparently wasn't happy with it. So the whole week of the run of the show, they're like, oh, yeah, Piven's out with mercury poisoning. He had too much sushi. Here's where it's confusing, though, for the fan, Right? Because you always want to have the side of the employee, right? Screw the owner.

These rich dudes signing checks. But as a fan, you're rooting for that team. Right? So it's always your, you're as a fan. You're in the middle here. Exactly. Because you want to root for the small guy, but you also want to root for your team. If the small guys mess up your team like, Demo, I get it.

D.B. What's going on, my friend? fellas very rarely do I like it when people use real world and sports together and this is one of those opportunities where I hate it the most

I just don't think it's apples to oranges to grape fruits to bananas I think it's so different because there's so many different angles to it it's tough you use the bakery thing if there's a bakery across the street that's paying you $5 more an hour what are you going to do

You know, like it's... Yeah, yeah, exactly. You're going to leave, you know... So you think the athletes are taking advantage of the situation sometimes? I actually think it works both ways in professional sports. I just, I don't think like it's in apples to apples when we talk about someone trying to support their family in a week-to-week situation. So you're saying the local baker is not the same as Miles Garrett? Correct, yes, yes.

You're saying Prince, the artist probably knows Prince is not the same as the guy working at the... Hossons to Donuts. Yes. George Michael famously had a dispute with Sony, you know, refused to promote, and he ended up having to pay, lost the lawsuit, you know, for the violation of his contract. Please Taylor Swift re-record her all her album so that people would stop taking money from her. Sure, sure. You guys touched on it, but for those that missed it, Bengals' defensive entry, Hendrickson, has gotten permission from Cincinnati to seek a trade.

He is entering the final year of his five-year deal that he signed with the Bengals. Final year would be 2025, led the NFL in Sacks this past off season. The athletic reported earlier today that multiple teams called the Bengals about wide receiver T. Higgins, who had the franchise tag placed on him, but right now Cincinnati wants to work on a long-term deal. Jaguars are trading wide receiver Christian Kirk to the Houston Texans for a seventh round pick in 2026. Browns restructured the contract of quarterback Deshawn Watson, freeing up $36 million in cap space. Rams gave wide receiver 2-2-at-will-one-year deal. Your Niners, Rich, are letting go of defensive linemen.

Hargrave when the new league year begins next week. Jags, Senator Mitch Morse, retiring from the game after 10 seasons. No Paul, Georgia, Tyrese Maxie for the Sixers tonight against the Celtics. Arnold Palmer invitation on Wyndham Clark leads at 5 under par after a round of 67 today. Rory McElroy in a group three shots back at two under. Guys, back to you. Thank you, D.B. So intrigued by, I'm so intrigued by all these GMs trying to, you know, not manipulate,

trying to work the salary cap. Like, it's, it just seems like it's inevitable that any time. team gets good. You have a little window of time before it's like, yeah, all these guys want to get paid. I mean, it's obvious, but it's like you are just trying desperately to be like, can we win in this little window? There's so many ways still like you said. The GMs

are facing the fact that these pros ain't loyal. And we also have to keep mind that these pros have to make their money in that little window that they've got. It's so tricky. You as the fan are torn in the middle. Just rooting for your team hoping they stay. And then the GM

the obstacle also is all right, I got a couple guys that are up for that big contract. Who am I betting on? You know, because you're seeing that on a lot of teams where when you see a pro bowl level guy get released or like the teams like, yeah, he can move on. They're pretty much saying like he's great now, but I don't think he's the guy I want long term. It's interesting.

Let's also not forget that it could be a tactic because as you heard D.B. say, Trey Hendrickson said he's seeking a trade after having a big season with the Bengals. Debo, D.K., Miles Garrett, and more. Maybe it's just a way of saying, I'm willing to leave. So let's see what you're willing to get me. Yeah, true. And quickly the difference, the Browns are like, we're not trading you, Miles Garrett. The Bengals and Seahawks are like, go ahead.

They may not want those guys back. Seahawks don't want, maybe D.K., they want to go younger. Bengals are like maybe they feel Trey Hendrickson's best years are behind them or don't want to pay him $35 million. but the bronze are like, sorry Miles Garrett, you can't seek a trade elsewhere. Yeah. And so you're right, DB, and that it's so hard to compare all these. I agree with that.

But it's interesting how there's a lot of power there, a lot of power at the players. All right, we got more Kavino and Rich next. And we're going to go 50. We're going to go old school. We hit 50. Someone's celebrating a birthday that's very close to the show. We'll explain it coming up. That's right.

Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to...

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it

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DB, Spotty's here. Again, our videos at Covino and Rich Fox Sports Radio's YouTube page. If you want to stay in a good mood today, don't look at your, don't look at your mutual funds or retirement today.

Thanks for reminding me. Today's not the day to look at it. Well, we're going to celebrate someone's birthday. How about that to make everyone feel a little better? Oh, nice. But a quick phone call from Sean in Sacramento.

Sean, make it snappy. What's up, man? Don't make it snappy. This guy always brings it. I love Sean. What's up, what's up, man? I know. What's up, man?

I'll make it quick and I'll bring it to the same time, fellas. First of all, my brother from another mother, man. And second of all, can I just say Danny G did y'all proud yesterday, man. He came on a hot seat with the odd couple. And it was a bigger robbery between Tank Davis and Roach over the weekend. They totally stole my man's win. I don't know what was going on with Alex Tyshire. But that brings up a bigger point, man.

Danny G. pointed out that the big vanilla, funny, slim, whatever his 38 nicknames are, is calling everybody out about this little basketball one-shot take. Can we get some, you know, tournament action between you two, the odd couple and the Big Vanilla Funny and Plank show during the tournament? Let's see who got the sweetest jumper, man. I'm trying to see it, fellas. I mean, uncontested, Kavino's pretty good, but you get in his face, you'll block him every time. But it's been a minute since I've been shooting. Look, I love Big Vanilla Husky, funny, poppy, the guy with the million nicknames. I love him. I think he's a great broadcaster. I'm not sure have the energy for this dude, to be honest.

So I got to figure it out. If you want it, Sean, we're going to have to have a shootout competition. Honestly, yeah. If the demand is there, I'm down. I'll tell you this. I love his show, though. Big Vanilla Husky, Poppy. He said that he'll beat anyone at Fox Sports Radio on physical challenges. And I was like, if it's baseball related, I'm confident I'll beat anyone here.

If it's basketball related, I don't know. We got a guy named Doug Gottlieb who played college football and as a coach. And then I said, if it's football, we got. Levar and Brady Quinn, I said the only thing, VJ Vernon Husky will win is a selfie Jim Pose down because the guy posed a lot of Jim selfies. Honestly, I don't even know if he win against that. There might be a guy in the back I might put up against him. You know, spots right there.

I think you'd win. In fact, Vij would win nothing. That's hilarious. I got him. Yeah, I'm no business of competing and broadcasting. But, hey, if it's got to happen, it's got to happen. Oh, I'm sorry. If it's mini golf or wiffleball, I got my money on Kavino.

There you go. And again, we're Kavino and Rich. Shout out to the Big Vanilla Funny. And shout out to the odd couple. Danny G., the hot seat was fun. Yeah, it was a good time. I got to listen back. I love the odd couple.

And I love you guys for hanging out with us. But look, it is time. Let's go. There's a search. Yeah. What we're going to do right here is go back. Back into time. Throwing it back for a Thursday.

Old school when 50 hits. At 50 after. CNN give you the time capsule topic. And we reminisce together. Yeah! Okay, so we love to reminisce on a Thursday, throw it back and get you involved. There was a movie that came out when we were kids. 1996.

1996. That's also when swingers came out. I remember because I was way into that movie. I was in college at the time, not to date myself, but I remember watching this. It got 5% on Rotten Potatoes. but we all saw it. I'm talking about Kazam.

And the reason we bring up this terrible movie is because today is Shaquille O'Neill's 53rd birthday, dude. Love Shaq, baby. I can't believe I'm 53. Happy birthday. I'm still handsome

and I'm still strong. And I'll still be vanilla funny in basketball. So I look at it this way. I think that funny. 53, a legend. but he had a stinker known as Kazam. You know what? I'm sick and tired of you.

You're fired. Get out. So when you think of the weakest movies, most of us have seen what comes to mind because I feel like Kazam, because of Shaq's popularity, so many people like, oh, Shaq's in a movie, I'll go check it out. Can I kick it off? Please deal. Besides Kazam, the weakest movies we've all seen.

Again, we want your feedback at 87799 on Fox. No holds bar. Dude. Hulk Hogan and Zeus. Tiny. Zeus Lister. Oh, that was such a great answer. Dookie.

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