The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Steph Curry deserves respect

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Colin wants Steph Curry to get the respect he deserves after the Warriors win again and surge towards the top of the West as the playoffs are approaching He credits the Bears will 2 smart moves to start the new era under head coach Ben Johnson and what this means for quarterback Caleb WilliamsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I had a good night's sleep. Woo! Show cooks. Good to hear. So I'm watching a little of the Warriors and Steph Curry against the Knicks. Here's Steph Curry in a bad ankle. It's going to be 37 in a week. Back to backs goes to the garden.

He's now 12 and 1 at the garden. And, you know, the Warriors are cooking. And by the way, Kaminga's all banged up. Wait until he comes back. I'm just saying, you've been poo-pooing Steph Curry forever. I've been hearing this forever, the disrespect. But here's Steph Curry, 37 in a week. It was not that long ago that Steph Curry.

Dude has 32 assists in the last three games. 12 and 1 at the garden. They finally got him a legitimate star, and every time he's had one, Clay in his prime or KD, he wins titles. His legacy's amazing. Titles before KD. Two titles with KD. title after KD with an older Clay Thompson and Andrew Wiggins.

And right now, since Jimmy Butler arrived, who leads the NBA and plus minus? Steph Curry. But he's had doubters, the SMH crowd, the Shake My Head crowd. Y'all fall in love with your IG reels and your YouTube highlights and your hops and your handles. I like IQ and EQ and maturity and great off the ball and great with the ball. And he's strangely nuanced that he's flashy, yet nuanced, and can be like almost on the edge of out of control, but always dependable in the clutch. He is a culture builder. Y'all love James Hardin for years.

All I heard about is James Hardin. James Hardin was in the same draft as Steph Curry. How relevant is James Hardin today? Oh, John Wall, he's a bullet. He was the first draft after. Steph Curry. He's out of the league. How about Derek Rose?

Good God, it was just a volcano of Derek Rose love for a decade. He was a draft before Steph Curry. Where's he? Oh, he's out of the league, too. No disrespect. I mean, Hardin can play. Derek Rose, John Walt. They got game.

I mean, there were two point guards drafted before Curry in the draft. Johnny Flynn and Ricky Rubio. one couldn't shoot one could barely play it's been disrespect from draft night on it's incredible the disrespect he had to be a finals MVP right to justify he's in you know all time great stuff all time great stuff i mean there's an argument and i don't think it's wrong in today's basketball world he's the point guard starting on the best starting five of all time there's only one argument. It's magic. It's Magic or Curry. Best two guys with a ball ever in their hands, point guard. I mean, there's only a few certainties in the NBA all-time team. Michael's on it,

LeBron's on it. We can argue about everything else. And one of the arguments is, think how great Magic Johnson was. There's an argument in today's NBA, magic, you know, got to be able to shoot the three would still be good, but the league is more athletic. Steph Curry is just really rare. Disrespected, underappreciated superstar. I'm not even sure if there's another one in sports. I mean, because we all love and respect Josh Allen. Maybe Lamar Jackson kind of falls into that category where he's one of the greatest players of all time and still doesn't get the love.

But, I mean, Curry, think about this. Great knows great. There's an old saying about management. A's, people who are securing themselves, A's, higher A's. B's insecure higher C's. Go ask the great player. Who did LeBron James go after before he landed Luca? For two years, he was trying to lure Steph Curry to be a Laker or he be a warrior.

And you go to the Olympics when it's all alphas. Jason Tatum had two points in the gold medal game. Who had four threes in the final three minutes? Who did the stars rely on? Who did the stars go, hey, get it to Steph? Let's bring in the closer. I mean, last night, games close late. Here comes Steph.

11-0 run. Bad ankle, back-to-backs, on the road. It's unbelievable. I'll say this. Finally, that show that, you know, J-MAC doesn't like, refuses to watch, wink-wink, finally Shaq delivered the truth last night. I demand you, fans,

to start putting stuff Curry in that great... of all-time conversation. I played against Mike, played with Kobe, played against that with LeBron. They're all great. But at some point, we'll have to put Jeff Curry

in that category. I'm not saying he is, but let's just have the conversation. That's right. That's right. Let's just have the conversation. I mean, it's unbelievable. A basketball team in Minnesota

took two guards in front of him. Anytime he's had a legitimate number two, Clay Thompson in his prime was arguably the best, no, not even arguably, he was the best catch and shooter player in the league. So, Clay and his prime is a Hall of Famer. Titles.

And then he gets KD, a couple titles. And then he gets Clay's out of his prime. They give him Andrew Wiggins, who's talented, but he can't really trust him in a big spot. Title. And right now, you start looking at these games,

you start looking at the way this team is built, Camingas banged up, that ankle coming back. I'm just saying, every single time you've given him a legitimate dude, he explodes. Dude's got 32 assists, and what's amazing about Steph is that for, as often as he has the ball and is the centerpiece, he's remarkably unselfish. I mean, for a guy that's so great with the ball, he's arguably the best player in the league off ball. I mean, all the sorts of nuance to his game beyond the obvious stuff, beyond the damn, he's a good dude, plays with anybody. I mean, it's just very rare.

I mean, LeBron's got this quality. Magic did as well. So good with the ball, but also great off the ball. Finally, LeBron now is getting a little off the ball love. but I'm glad Shaq said it, because I just think he's been so disrespected, had to beat Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown in the final to justify his greatness. I mean, come on now. Are you watching the games?

So this is a big deal. Sometimes I get on tangents, and I'm not talking for a show or a week. I'm talking for six years. I have been on a tangent for about six years, and I know it's irritating. But offensive lines are really important. The final four teams this year in the NFL all had top 10 offensive lines. The top seven graded offensive lines in the NFL this year, all made the playoffs. Seven for seven.

All made the playoffs. The Chicago Bears had a defensive coach, and the offensive line kept getting worse. Ben Johnson gets hired by the Bears. And I know last year the Bears were doing stuff with wide receivers and oh, front page of the Chicago Tribune. It was on all the websites. Receiver, receiver, receiver. This year, Ben Johnson offensive coach, first two big moves. Two days ago, Guard, Rams. Yesterday, guard Joe Tuny Chiefs. Two experienced dudes. This, this. This is. This, guy gets it. The first thing he addresses is the O-line. Two guards. You know who else pays guards? The Rams, the Chiefs, the Eagles. Offensive coaches get it. I like Mike Tomlin. Eight years now,

offensive line stinks. Go to the Super Bowl. It was all line play. And I don't trust Ryan Poles the GM in the draft. He's had too many whiffs. I don't think he's terrible, but I don't trust him. This is easy. Jonah Jackson can play. Joe Tooney can play. Two starters, and they'll probably go draft to tackle with their first pick. So it's just easier, if you're not great in the draft, and the Bears, I don't trust. Last year's draft looks like a mess. The Veles Jones picket receiver years ago, turn my stomach. Bottom line is, great move.

And by the way, Jim Harbaugh last year, Jim Harbaugh, everybody was like, oh, they lost Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, got their receiver. What did Jim Harbaugh do? Joe Alt, Notre Dame tackle, was great. What did Sean Payton do? First thing he did, he kept Russell Wilson, who he didn't love. He rebuilt the O-line. Sean McVeigh takes over the Rams.

First big move, Andrew Whitworth, all pro-left tackle Cincinnati. I mean, I know we all watch quarterbacks, but a quarterback's best friend is protection and push up front. This is a great day to be a bear fan. I know it's not sexy. I know it's not going to lead sport shows. and other networks, but the seven highest-graded offensive lines last year all made the playoffs. Joe Burrow was arguably the best quarterback in the league last year.

What was his O-line ranked 30th? He missed the playoffs. And last year, do you remember this? And I understand if you don't. But last year, Washington, we were all caught up in Cliff Kingsbury and Dan Quinn and a new owner and a new GM. You remember the first thing Washington did last year before they ever gave Jaden Daniels a snap in a big game, they went and got two offensive linemen free agency. Right?

So this is what Washington did last year. And those don't make headlines. But the last couple of days, this is what offensive coaches do. It's what McVeigh does, Reed does, Ben Johnson. I mean, you start looking at Philadelphia and Detroit. I mean, the Rams were really good last year. And one of the reasons they got good by about Thanksgiving, they got, hot before that is the offensive line got healthy so this is really encouraging i know it's not it's

not a blaring headline to interior offensive lineman but when you have a young quarterback time to throw a run game an extra half second is the difference between doing something like washington did and you know doing something like caleb williams had the deal with in his rookie year with a defensive coach. J. Mack, spitting it today. Steph Curry last night. Yeah, you are.

On fire. You love Steph Curry, too. Of course. My favorite player of all time, it used to be Magic Johnson, right? I loved the flair in the passing, and then Steph Curry overtook him.

He's been my favorite probably for, I don't know, over a decade. Isn't it interesting, though? So, you know, we kind of looked at the Warriors, and our front office deserves credit, because we kind of looked at him, it was a treadmill to nowhere. Yeah.

It is amazing. I was down on them. Right, right, right. and we were waiting for Wiggins to be a two. He's not. We were waiting for Cominga to be a two. He's not. When you slot it now, Steph, Butler's a two,

and now, Cominga's like, oh, he could be a three. Pods. He could be a four. Draymond still doesn't score much, but it is amazing what you do. It's like a pitching staff. When you put a legitimate two with Steph, then the three and the four,

four can be inconsistent, and that's why they're three and fours. It's like when you give LeBron Luke offensively, now you like Rui way more, because Rui goes from instead of having to be a three offensively, now Rui's a four. And offensively, Rui can be a little hit and miss. But when Rui goes from three to a four, now Rui's a really good four. Oh, yeah. Instead of a reach at three. So now Kaminga, because we've been waiting for Kaminga for years.

Could we look at a Lakers Warriors second round match. that would, that's the kind of game that could break the internet. Like Luca, Butler, LeBron, Curry, just amazing collection of talent. If that happens in the second round, I'm sure the TV executives would love a Western Conference finals with those two, LeBron and Curry. NBA's rigged. Hey, by the way, Zion, did you see Zion last night? I did not.

I mean, he was high-line unstoppable. Well, no, he was. Lakers still won by 30, you're 40 or whatever it was. But Zion looked real. Yeah, I only watched the first. First half, I fell asleep. Yeah, fell asleep. Yeah, I mean, the Lakers season is already going to come down to this.

It really is going to come down to this. Health. Luca looks in much better shape. He looks in much better shape. And LeBron's obviously playing with a ton of energy. I think at some point, you know, it's like your new best friend. You know, at some point, LeBron's energy and Steph's energy will come down. Honeymoon phase.

Yeah, I think we're in the honeymoon phase. I mean, I'm watching last night. It's honeymoon phase stuff. But there'll be a time when, you know, again, you get about 20, 30 games in with a new teammate. Like the Warriors right now, it's the honeymoon fate. I mean, Steph is playing out of his mind. He's playing. Like, let's be honest.

If Jimmy Butler's not on the team, does he take last night off? If they're not playing in New York, back to back off Charlotte where he got hurt, it's possible. Steph's like, I'm not. New York is why he played. Jimmy Butler's why he played. It's like, okay, I'm going to play. this game. If they were battling for a 10 seat with no Butler, and they're playing

in New York first, then Charlotte, he's not playing. So the energy with the Lakers and the Warriors, and I got to tell you something. Just got bits and pieces early Lakers last night, because I had a bunch of stuff going on late. Here's what jumps out to me about the Lakers.

And being an executive in Los Angeles for any team, including an athletic director for SC or UCLA, it's very unique. in the country. I don't think there's any city like it. And I'll tell you why, one of the things that makes it really hard in Los Angeles is our weather, because it's Mediterranean. And every, I had to do something last night. People are outside. They're having a good time.

And it's, forget the game last night. That game's secondary. What's really fascinating about the Lakers coming up next. And not just the Lakers, but why L.A. forces the Lakers to do things sometimes to an area of discomfort. Work sometimes? Didn't work with Westbrook to LeBron and the Lakers? Works other times. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast. Hey Jonas.

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You know, no Rui, no Reeves, no problem. It didn't matter. LeBron was great. great. But, you know, it's funny. When I've been in California for eight, nine years, and I really like Los Angeles. And, you know, one of the things I've really learned is you have to be aggressive as a team. The clippers have become stagnant. Even with a new arena, nobody talks about him. The market's too big. There's too many things going on. The beach, the mountains, the weather. I mean, people are out walking around the beach last night. It's just the way it is in Los Angeles.

And, I mean, the Dodgers win the World Series, and they go spend $450 million in upgrades to their roster and $100 million in a clubhouse renovation. That's after winning a World Series. Like, that's the way it works. I mean, the Rams considered, hey, we may have to move off Matt Stafford. They moved off golf when he got to a Super Bowl. Harbaugh to the Chargers. Lincoln Riley, they steal Oklahoma's coach. You have to swing big in this town because there's too many premieres, too many red carpets, too many things going on.

and it forces organizations, especially the Lakers, to be hyper-aggressive. I mean, they took a big swing on Anthony Davis, worked. They took a big swing on Westbrook. Didn't work. They took a big swing on J.J. Reddick. Everybody criticized him. J.J. Reddick, not experienced, kind of an ego. He's been absolutely fantastic.

When you watch this team offensively, you can see the game preparation. And, you know, I think it's hard in this town that you are forced. You can't be the Cincinnati Bengals and just stay in. draft order and don't take a big swing. I mean, LeBron's playing out of his mind. And I do think there's a honeymoon period for a staffer of LeBron with a new guy or kind of showing off. But it's just the status quo doesn't work here.

And I think LeBron is completely energized now. Because if, and even LeBron, you can kind of lose him during the football season. You forget about him if you're not viable. And, you know, the Clippers, a desperate organization. and they build a new basketball arena, but they're still clinging to Kauai and James Hardin. And that story's over. Nobody's interested.

And I'm watching the Lakers briefly last night. And it's just, they've reinvigorated the franchise, the team. And I'll say this. I have been critical of the Lakers' front office before because there's been some misses, but I appreciate the effort. Like, you know, even the way, it's funny. You remember when they got Mark Williams, the Charlotte Center in a trade? and then the next day his doctors, the Lakers doctors said,

nah, it's not going to work here. And Charlotte's like, what do you mean? He's healthy. He just played. I honestly think what happened. I honestly think this happened. I think the Lakers took a big swing on it. And then, you know, they don't have a scouting department quite as big as the Warriors.

You know, the bus family is not as wealthy as a lot of these big owners. I think the Warriors or the Lakers did a little digging on it and started making a few calls. and a little more digging, they took a big swing, and I say, yeah, well, our doctors don't like him. I don't think that's the craziest theory out there on why they made it, and then suddenly why they moved off it. But I appreciated the effort. J.J. Reddick, I appreciate the effort.

And, you know, again, you can make big swings that are stupid, trading away Luca for A.D. and one first rounder and Max Christi, that's just a dumb move. But one of the things I've over and over, I've said, I love the way the Philadelphia Eagles do business. I mean, Carson Wentz was having an MVP season. Yeah, we're going with Nick Foles. And Doug Peterson wins the Super Bowl.

Yeah, we're moving off him. And Chip Kelly out of winning season. It's not a good fit. And I think in Los Angeles, it's just different. The Dodgers could just rest on their laurels. Nope, they went and spent $450 million more, and they're renovating, which is, by the way, a beautiful stadium. They're going to renovate it and make it even better. And I think it'd be in an executive in Los Angeles.

You have got to stay on your toes. I said it with Jim Harbaugh, out of the top. chargers. I said, you just can't do another coordinator. You're getting lost in this. This is not San Diego, where people go to the games, Philip Rivers wins 10 games, and that's good enough. That is not good enough here. And so the JJ Reddick swing, unbelievable, the Lucas swing, unbelievable, and even the Westbrook move that didn't work. It's what L.A. forces you to do, and it's what the Lakers do. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin. Let's start with the Raiders. Listen, we know they need a new quarterback, right? Well, new GM, John Spitech, it sounds like he's got options, whether it's the draft or free agency,

and now Max Crosby has chimed in on recruiting a certain quarterback. Take a listen. The first year off in Achilles is one of the hardest things to do. You've seen it happen with Kirk. Kirk had it down here. and have with Aaron. I mean, he struggled, like you said, early on,

but he got better as a season went. I think with all the doubt and all the negativity around Aaron Rogers always needs to retire, things like that, you know, he's getting caught by the Jets, I think he's going to come back. I think he's going to have a big year this year, and I hope it's in our town.

Yeah, what do you think there, Jay, Mag? Well, interesting. Last time Max Crosby was pounding the table for someone it was Antonio Pierce. How'd that work out? Remember, he was like, in the owner's year, I won Antonio Pierce here. Him and Devante Adams, like, I think they took the owner out to dinner,

and they were like, we need to keep Pierce. So now he's going in, we need Aaron Rogers. You know Pete Carroll better than anyone. What do you think he wants? Do you think he wants Aaron Rogers? I think Pete would like a veteran presence in the room. I don't think Pete wants to give away all that draft capital for a quarterback. He's not going to get Cam Ward.

They're not selling off that many people. pieces. So I think there's, I think Aaron's very attractive. But I, but I think the other thing is Pete's going to control the organization. I mean, you know, Norm Chow got a little big for his britches and Norm Chow left USC. And Pete Carroll made sure Russell Wilson. It's kind of my team, my culture. See you later. Like Pete's going to run the show. This is going to be Pete's culture. Well, based on that, that's not a good fit with Aaron. That's, I don't think, I mean, I think Aaron's good enough. And I do think Pete will allow Chip Kelly to just run the offense. But this is going to be Pete Carroll's franchise. By the way, you think Chip Kelly wants combative Aaron Rogers? I think Chip Kelly is all about

ball. He doesn't love recruiting. That's why I left college football. Like Chip Kelly's all about football, all about schemes, play design, play call. He don't want to do anything nonsense with the NCAA Belaan recruiting. That's why I've always said, I think Chip Kelly's actually a great NFL fit because he does not like all the college nonsense and the parents and the NIL. He doesn't want to deal with any of that stuff. He didn't want to deal with any of that stuff. Kingsbury, maybe not a great head coach in Arizona. I thought he was fine. And then goes to Washington and his EOC and just crushes it. Yeah. Maybe that's Chip Kelly's future. Yeah. I mean, I think Chip was a great college coach. I don't think there's any question. Awesome at Oregon. I mean, awesome at Oregon and

awesome at Ohio State. I mean, Ryan Day, Ryan Day, if you go look at Ryan Day in Ohio State, you could argue the Michigan game plan was Ryan Day trying to prove how tough they were. Ooh, that's good. All the playoff games? That was... Those were

Chip Kelly's games. But Ryan Day wanted to prove, hey, all beat Michigan. Now, Ryan, you haven't beaten Michigan. When I watched the Michigan game plan, that did not feel like Chip Kelly's game plan. That's a great point. I hadn't thought of that. It was almost like Ryan Day has been hearing for three years that Michigan's

tougher or more physical, well, we'll show you who's more physical. Nobody pushes the Buckeyes around. So Ryan, he took over that game and they were, they were bad. But when I watched the playoffs, I kept saying this feels like a Chip Kelly game. Is that he just, he made, Chip Kelly has a way of making you think and doubt yourself multiple formations, motions. He's a matchup guy. He's constantly making defensive coaches think. You look at all the quarterbacks chip has had. Most of them have had some mobility, right? Mike Vic in Philadelphia.

Will Howard at Ohio State? Marcus Marriota, wasn't that his guy at Oregon? He needs someone wheels. He likes that. I don't know that that's Aaron Rogers. Not at this point, no, it's not. So is it? I don't think I'm saying.

Is it Justin Fields? I don't know. I don't know. I think the Raiders are in a tough spot. Daniel Jones? So let's just say a... No, no. Former NFL quarterback told me to keep an eye on Daniel Jones and the Raiders.

And this was like three weeks ago. I think you heard it too. I don't think it's crazy. But again, I better get a team-friendly deal. Like Daniel, I saw you stole money in New York. I better get a team-friendly deal. Stole money. Next story is Fox NFL insider.

Jordan Schultz is reporting that Darnold and the Vikings are in contact regarding a possible short-term extension. Schultz says the $40 million franchise tag was way too steep for Minnesota, but they want Donald back at the right price. Now, this is another situation, Colin. Like, if the Vikings say, hey, Sam, we like you, how does 20, 25 million years sound? And if Darnold says, no way I can get more, all right, Sam, go for it.

Enjoy Vegas or the giant. I think it would be, I think Sam Darnold would say, if you said, listen, Sam, we'll give you a three-year deal, third-year team option. We'll give you two years, because we're not paying J.J. McCarthy. Daniel Jones will probably leave. So let's go, let's go $29 million to $32 million two-year deal. I think Sam would stay.

I really do. Because I think Sam's a smart enough kid to realize there are not a lot of coaches in the NFL that are better for quarterbacks than Kevin O'Connell. And there's no other Justin Jefferson in the league. So Sam's been, I mean, it's really easy. When you've been treated poorly and poorly coached, man, it is. And then you get a taste of the good life. it is hard to go backwards.

It's amazing. You sit in first class a couple times. You can sit and coach your whole life. You sit in first class a couple times. All of a sudden, you go past row six, and you start looking back and going, man, I miss the extra leg room. Why are you staring at me when you're saying this?

Staring daggers into my eyes as you say this for some reason. I'm just saying. Yeah. No, no, I'm with you. I'm starting to think Donald probably stays in Minnesota. And Colin, it's not the worst thing in the world if you're paying your backup, 25-mill and your start or nothing. If Donald doesn't win the job.

You need a good backup in this league, as we've seen, quarterbacks go down all the time. Final story, Colin is the king. The greatest player in NBA history, LeBron James, became the first to hit 50,000 points in the league. He came in needing just one point, got it on his first shot at the triple from the wing. LeBron finished with 34, 8, and 6.

He's 40. Okay? Here's LeBron and his accomplishment. Obviously, I first think of my mind. from and uh you know just picking up the game and i was looking up the game and just having a love for the sport and was hoping that someday i'd be able to play at the highest level and uh i've been able to to do that and and uh you really enjoy you know really enjoy my career so um it's definitely islander it's pretty cool to let just see that it's just i hope everybody's appreciating it

it's really crazy it's listen it's tough for me to think of a league without lebron at this point He's been dominant for, what, 20 years now? People just forget this. I loved MJ. Everybody loved MJ. But MJ retired and did baseball. Then Jay came back. And then Jay went to Washington.

Michael's career was moments of brilliance and a lot of turbulence. And he came into the league. He couldn't get along with coaches. He was running through coaches. He got Doug Collins. He liked him. They couldn't win. He couldn't beat the Piston Celtics.

Then Michael had that Phil Jackson run. And he went and did baseball. And Michael came back for, Came back, lost to Orlando. Then he went in another three-year run, and he went to Washington. Michael's career was not as linear as people think. LeBron's just, I mean, it's just like the only bad spot for LeBron was his first team. That's the only time LeBron hasn't won.

His first team that was inept in the front office, inept in ownership. And then he still got them to the finals when he was 22. Yeah, and they got, I think, swept by the Spurs. A great Spurs team. But it's interesting. It's the opposite of George. The only time LeBron has really struggled as part of a unit is the first team. Since then when LeBron is taking control of his career, Miami, Cleveland, Los Angeles, he is over delivered.

You know how a lot of these child actors kind of really struggle later in life? There's a bit, so many of them from TV shows in the 80s. Because the fame in an early age of the money, it just distorts you. This guy was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, I believe it's 16 years old. But you know why? He has never got in trouble with the law. But that doesn't happen a lot in sports. Bryce Harper's a world clap.

He's a great guy, great husband. He's lived up to the expectations. LeBron James. And you know why? Because sports gives you a purpose. You're not some Hollywood weirdo who does a couple of movies and has nothing but spare time on your hands. In sports, it gives you a purpose, it gives you a direction.

You're part of a community. It's not just you making movies. It's not you writing scripts or directing. It is you being part of a community. You have to be accountable to coaches, your teammates, the trainers, yourself, the diet. So I think sports is something. You don't, you don't, there's a lot of these young stars.

Very rarely do we look at a 16-year-old and go, that's going to be a superstar. But it is a lot of pressure on a TV. There's Phil Mickelson, Tiger. Yeah. That was everything. Yeah, I got it in the mailbox every week and you open it up and you read it. Can you imagine at 16? And now, here we are, what, 24 years later and he's still on top of the sports world?

I mean, a big knock on the brawn, which was silly as. You know, China, that was. That China thing. Oh, yeah, that's right. Like, he's a businessman. You know, he wanted to make sure it was all good. Like, take a deep breath, everybody. This guy doesn't get in trouble.

This guy is. And now he's played son at a great bucket last night. You see Brony with the score in traffic? Yeah. What? Whatever. What? You got a problem with Ronnie?

I'm not going to say anything. He scored. He's average of like 23 in the G League. Whatever. That's a fact. Bad topic. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

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There are sometimes losing is good. losing in Indianapolis got you Andrew Luck. Losing in Cleveland got you LeBron James. You don't want to be like meatball fan that, you know, you're outraged. There's positioning, sometimes, you know, not necessarily tanking, but giving reserves a chance to play in a rich draft to move up the draft. Like that stuff matters, right? And the New York Knicks have built a good roster.

But losing their 0-13 against the Celtics. O and two against O KC, O and two against the Cavs. And it's actually not terrible because there's not a lot, and they're not going to beat when Kaminga comes back. I mean, I know they didn't have Kat last night. The Knicks can't beat the good teams. They're not going to beat them, especially in a series. They can't beat them in a one-off, forget in a series. And that's great in a way, because there's 100% clarity in the building that they're good and some nights very good, but they're not great.

They have smartly and aggressively built a very strong roster. Got OG from the Raptors, good move. They stole Brunson from the Mavs, great move. They got McHale Bridges from Brooklyn. I love that move. They got Cat from Minnesota. He's a quirky player, good offensively, pretty weak defensively, but for the time being it's a good move.

And they're on pace. The New York Knicks, a fun team to watch with great energy, play their arse off, as good this year defensively, but it's a good roster, smartly aggressively built, and they're on their way for their best season in 12 years. The city's into them, and should be. They're a fun watch. Don't blow it up.

The chemistry's good, but they've got to do what the Lakers did. You know, LeBron and A.D. were good. They actually won a title, and the Lakers moved off it. Lakers moved off it. That's what they've got to do. And I think it's the honest. my take on this, you'd probably have to move Cat, you'd probably have to move OG. You do not trade Brunson, all right?

You're going to have to move McAil Bridges or an OG in about five first-round picks. Jalen Brinson, I love him. We all love Jalen Brunson. I don't think he's a one, even though it feels like there are knights he is. But in the end, I think he's closer, in my opinion, to Jimmy Butler than he would be to a Steph Curry. I think he's closer to a Jimmy Butler than he is to a Luca or a LeBron James. He's a really good one A or a two. I don't think he's as good as Anthony Davis.

And Anthony Davis, to me, is the best two ever. So I think they've got to make a move for Janus. Everybody in the building, though, knows it's a good team. It's like what the Raptors did for years. The Raptors were excellent for years. And Kyle Lowry was their guy. They had a Mark Gassal. They had some nice players.

They were very good team. And then they added Kauai Leonard in one. a title. Now, and Toronto's always been considered a well-run operation. And everybody loved Kyle Lowry, and everybody loves Brunson. This is not hate. Okay, it's just the reality of if the best players in this league are LeBron and Janus and Yokic and staff, then Brunson's probably a 1A. And I think where NBA franchises go to die is when everybody in the building is arguing. Well, we're great. No, we're not. Yes, we are. And then people like go off into their own camps.

Executives can be incredibly selfish, not just players. It's all about survival and job retention. Everybody in the Knicks building knows. They're really good. They're not great because they don't really have a true superstar. Now you could say, what about the Celtics? Well, you guys all keep telling me Tatum's the third best player in the league. I think he's closer to eight, but he's very good.

But Brown and Tatum are both one A's, and they both play excellent defense. so you can get away with that. It's not like you always have to have a superstar to win. It helps the 1970s NBA. There weren't a lot of superstar teams. There was a different champion every year. You don't have to have a Yokic or a Yonis. But I do think now that Luke and LeBron are together

and Butler and Steph are together, and you start looking around and Brown and Tatum are together, and all of a sudden you start looking at Evan Mowgli's together now with Donovan Mitchell and O.K.C.'s got Chep Kohn, who's an offensive star with SGA, who could be the second best player in the league. You've got to have another guy. And so don't blow it up, but losing does have a little bit of value.

So I saw this this morning. I was encouraged by this. I was encouraged by this. Now, Brock Purdy, according to rumors, was offered $45 million was the offer the Niners made. And that is exactly what he should be paid. 12th, 13th best quarterback in the league. $45 million. If he had a bad defensive coach and a bad set of weapons,

he really would be Mr. Irrelevant at quarterback. But he doesn't. He has Kyle Shanahan. Arguably after Andy Reid, the best play designer in the league. George Kittle was the number one rated tight end on PFF. Joanne Jennings was the 13th best tight end, or a receiver. And they won six games. and he's also had two elbow injuries and one elbow surgery.

So there are things here. He's not a big athlete. He's a moderately sized quarterback with a couple elbow injuries, one surgery, that last year has a great play designer, but they were missing their star running back and they won six games. So this is my whole, 45 million feels right. If you go look at his splits against elite playoff teams, They're not very good.

I mean, Josh Allen's the MVP. He's making $44 million a year. 45 million feels right. So, again, too many fans think contextualization is hate. I've never hated Dak Prescott. What I tried to always do with Dak Prescott was contextualize it. He is not to be paid close to Mahomes, because he's not close to Mahomes or Lamar Jackson. I mean, I don't think he's as good as Jalen Hertz.

And we've all sort of had some questions about Jalen Hertz. Jalen Hertz does a couple of things extraordinarily well. What's Dack do extraordinarily well? Now he has a second lower body injury, never been a great spin-it guy from the pocket. You can't pay him $90 million. You can't pay him that. That's his salary. What is that?

90 million this year. Now they're going to rework it. It'll probably get down to 50 or 55 or 60. But too many fans confuse context for hate. Nobody hates Brock Purdy. Good kid. $45 million to Brock Purdy. I don't know what happened in the last year. That became an insult. So what? Forty-five million dollars for the last guy picked in the draft who has a losing record and bad splits against playoff teams with two elbow injuries, one of surgery. And 45 million's an insult. And I love Sam Darnold, but I'd struggle paying him $45 million. He's bigger. He's got a better arm. He moves better. And he was the first round pick. And I couldn't pay Sam $45 million. So here was Steve Young on Rich Eisen this week on why the deal will eventually get done.

It gets done. Like it has to get done. There's not alternatives out there. He can threaten. He can he can move around, he can do all the things you do, and he can process as well as anybody. So in that way, you know, quarterbacks are so hard to find that Brock has done enough for sure to go out and get, you know, and get paid and get it done. Now, I will say this. I don't think quarterbacks are as hard to find today as they were 15 to 20 years ago. I mean, you found Brock Purdy is the last pick in the draft. So I don't think, I think Kyle McCord at Syracuse, who will get drafted in the second or

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