The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Steph Curry is simply different

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

Colin points out what makes Steph Curry different from the other all-time great NBA players as the Warriors look ready to make another run in the Western Conference He shares the truth about Russell W...ilson and why his biggest failure was his inability to connect with teammates We shouldn't be surprised about the Mavericks this seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:12 Here we go. He's got his Thursday shirt on. Live in L.A., it's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Well, we're all making bets now, right? So I think it's Denver and the Celtics. NBA basketball right now is getting crazy.
Starting point is 00:02:28 Games are nuts. Lakers game last night with seesaw. Up and down. What a weird loss. Denver Suns two nights goes crazy. Boston blew it in Ohio. You know one of my bets. We all make bets at this time. You've been a big Dallas Mavericks guy, and they're circling the drain. And I'm a warrior's guy, not because, you know, my relationship with Draymond, but I do think they're bridging the gap young and old. And last night, Jemak, they finally had Wiggin. was back, Chris Paul, Steph, they finally had a full team. I happen to miss it because I was at the Lakers game,
Starting point is 00:03:06 what we'll just call the debacle at crypto. At crypto. Goodness gracious. So they had a full team. Here we go. Everybody's back. Steph was amazing. Milwaukee hung for a while.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Warriors blow them out late with a gigantic fourth quarter. Here's a sample of Steph early in this one. steph has shown how mentally tough he is the warriors are shooting it so well gary another three when you knock him down and he gets no love look at him celebrating you know we pay so much attention
Starting point is 00:03:47 and probably should to lebron's greatness age and longevity we forget steff's 36 very soon is he the anti lebron in many forms built a dynasty with his first team super loyal to friends and relationships. Finesse over power, shooting over driving, leaves
Starting point is 00:04:11 oxygen in the room for others. Doesn't have to always be the number one guy. Just think about what he is dealt with this season, Steph Curry, Draymond Green long suspension, the death of an assistant coach, Andrew Wiggins, another personal leave, the drama of Clay Thompson going to the bench. Chris Paul arrives. Hall of Fame Guard. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 00:04:34 And then misses a big chunk of the season. Bob Myers leaves as a beloved general manager. He's also trying to connect two generations. Two of their best young players, 21 years old. And then you got Draymond, Chris Paul, him. And here's Steph, 27 a game, cool as ever, shooting 41% on threes. Drama has surrounded him. forever, even when he first got there.
Starting point is 00:05:03 Do you keep Steph, Monta Ellis? He creates the Splash Brothers. The KD comes, KD leaves, the Draymond stuff, the changing of the guard, Mark Jackson to Steve Kerr. None of it faces him. He's never frazzled and remains the absolute rock, foundational piece, the steady soul of this great franchise. Forget his superior game.
Starting point is 00:05:28 The difference between. him and other great guards, James Hardin and Kyrie Irving, is a mile wide in terms of leadership, a get-it quality, self-awareness, intangibles. He's a remarkable player. You don't get any of this ridiculous, I am the man, put some respect on it nonsense. It's all about basketball IQ, working well with others, making things work, lubricating, not agitating, adapting, evolving, dealing with KD. He's had a lot of players with a lot of baggage and drama. Just look at this year what he's dealt with.
Starting point is 00:06:07 And here the Warriors again. He's also never demanding on coaches. You know, I like LeBron, but he can be passive, aggressive, little drops in the media, putting pressure on a GM, an owner or a coach. We've seen it a half dozen times in L.A. And I think the four best guards I've ever seen in my life in professional basketball, and I've watched it since the early 70s. are Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson,
Starting point is 00:06:32 Kobe Bryant, and Steph Curry. And he's the only one that could play with all of them. Get along with all of them. You could put him on any all-time team. If he played with Michael, he'd be like, hey, I'll just run around. If you spot me open, throw it. Kobe was hard to play with.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Steph could play with him. He worked with KD. KD can be a lot. Got along great. He gets along with every. everybody. And that's an underrated skill. I love LeBron. Think he's the all-time best
Starting point is 00:07:05 at doing great things across the board. But there are some things about Steph I strongly prefer. And last night, another classic performance. The band is finally all back together. They add Chris Paul. It's a new GM, the death of an assistant. Clay comes off
Starting point is 00:07:21 the bench. Young kids everywhere. And they're blowing out Milwaukee. Here was Steve Kerr after. We feel like we We've found some combinations. We've got a, you know, we're three quarters of the way through with the season, so we've got a pretty big sample size of the different combinations out there. And so I think we're in a good spot now where we're able to put together the starting group, which has done a great job here the last month or show, and in a second group, now that we're fully healthy with a lot of really talented players. Great win, Warriors, finally, the entire unit is back, and I'll make my call.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Warriors end up in the Western Conference Finals against Denver. I'm calling it out right now. Celtics Nuggets make the finals. Warriors get to the Western Conference final. See how Steve Kerr said, we got some combinations now that are working. The season's going down, everybody's healthy, everybody's coming back. like what I see. So when Russell Wilson was in Seattle and he was crushing it, I was a huge Russell Wilson fan.
Starting point is 00:08:34 And people would always say, oh, you're a Seattle Homer, you're from there. You're a Russell Homer because he comes on the show. And I was like, no, I think he's a really unique player. He got a lot of guys drafted. I mean, he was on a route to the Hall of Fame. And he wasn't for everybody. But if there was ever a documentary about Russell Wilson, it would have to be titled, there's something about Russ.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Here we go again. he's now leaving Denver and Carl Mecklenburg, a very respected former Bronco legend, a great four-time all-pro, six-time pro bowler, said Russell Wilson isn't a leader. The foolishness that went on in his first year at Denver, a private coach, own office at the facility, family at training camp, other players didn't have those privilege, proved his self-centeredness. Here we go again. I've never seen anything like it. Multiple Seahawk players went public.
Starting point is 00:09:26 with a Super Bowl winning quarterback, hammering him. They didn't even do that with Jay Cutler. And, you know, I was told for years, a lot of guys didn't like Jay Cutler. Multiple guys didn't hammer him when he left. Zach Wilson, you heard private grumblings. Nobody goes public with it. Searck players went public. Former Bronco legends, go public.
Starting point is 00:09:48 Here we go again. I mean, Jeff, George, Colts, notoriously arrogant guy. I don't remember teammates taking shots at him. Elway could rub people the wrong way in Denver. You know, he ran the city. Nobody took shots at him. Peyton Manning ran Indy. Nobody took shots at him.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Cam Newton could be style over substance, little distracted. You know, but teammates loved him. I knew two guys on that team. They loved it. Matt Ryan left Atlanta, all that dead cap money limited the team. Never hear anybody taking shots at him. Aaron Rogers. I was talking to New York sports writer Ian O'Connor the other day.
Starting point is 00:10:22 A great author, he's writing an Aaron Rogers book, and he's like, you can't find a player. Any top player he's played with overwhelmingly, they love Aaron. Aaron may be disliked by some media or out of the room, but in the room, they like him. And here's Russell Wilson. Again, getting tagged by a legend of a franchise. Seahawks, Pete Carroll was done, Sean Payton publicly bashed him, then leaked stuff to a another reporter to criticize him? I mean, is it
Starting point is 00:10:56 overt religious conviction? I don't think so, because Kirk Cousins has that, and everybody loves Kirk Cousins. And Russell's better than Kirk Cousins in his prime. I don't know what it is in Seattle and now, Denver. Start the documentary. There's something about Russ. The gloves come off.
Starting point is 00:11:14 People just don't do that to bad players. I mean, McColl Hardman got crap because he called out an organization. I didn't call out really play. And people were like, whoa, McCull Hardman, who is he to say? It's a star player. And people taking shots at him. I don't know what it is. My guess is, and I've heard this before, that instead of building relationships, he's more interested in sponsorships.
Starting point is 00:11:38 He's more interested in the perception of how he's viewed than building relationships in a room. That's what I've heard. Before, more than once. But it is weird. It just doesn't happen. star players, two Super Bowl guys. We've had egos at quarterback, distracted quarterbacks, arrogant quarterbacks. Nobody gets criticized the minute they leave town more than Russ.
Starting point is 00:12:05 It's odd. By the way, Dave Canales was his quarterback coach. He was asked, you know, this week about Carolina, which basically has an offense that doesn't function. And he basically came out and said, no, this is not a, this isn't a spot for Russ. and that's a guy that has the worst offense, and he's a new coach, and wants to, you would think, have a quarterback that's functional,
Starting point is 00:12:27 and he's like, nah, he doesn't work here in Carolina with Russ. Wasn't critical of him necessarily, but he kind of knows Russ better than anybody, and he wasn't interested. And that's the worst offense by a mile. Well, New York Giants without Seacon, Sequin, Barclay. It's one of the worst offenses in the league,
Starting point is 00:12:42 not interested in Russ. Just, whatever it is, it is. Like, this is very rare in sports. J-Mack. those warriors, you have to acknowledge the shot making Milwaukee folded late. Are you more concerned about Milwaukee
Starting point is 00:12:59 or more impressed with Golden State? Are these the same warriors that lost by 50 to Boston like four days ago or a different Warriors team? Didn't have all their part. Oh, God. Last game of an East Game Road trip. NBA is just where I told my buddy last night why I went to the Lakers game with.
Starting point is 00:13:15 I'm not betting NBA regular season. Like too much, the Kings lose to the Bulls this week. could fall behind 19 to the Lakers in the first quarter. I was like, oh, wow, this is going to be a blowout. And the Lakers get smoked by the Kings. You see this Warriors Celtics game from the weekend, the Denver, Phoenix. Like, every game is absolutely bonkers. I'm sorry, I can't put that much stock in Golden States romp over Milwaukee.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Well, they had a 32 to 9 fourth quarter. It's not bad. It's not bad. I mean, that's what Doc Rivers does. I mean, he's a choke artist. Oh, God Lord, that feels a little harsh. By the way, what was the comment about this shirt? I received two comments about the shirt on the way to the set from my dressing room today.
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Starting point is 00:17:21 They're running out of time. No, they should not be better than this. This is what they are. They are awful defensively. Because when your two most gifted players, Kyrie and Luca, have no real defense of effort. They don't have any interest being great defenders. They just don't.
Starting point is 00:17:40 It creates real defense. resentment. Most great teams, best players, D. Wade or LeBron in Miami, MJ, Scotty Pippin, Chicago, Isaiah in Detroit. Even Larry Bird not a great defender. McAil was. McHale was long, great rebounder, Robert Parrish, Bird was a willing defender. Kobe Bryant, a willing defend. Tim Duncan, a great defender. Find me the championship teams. We are top players have no interest in playing defense. The other problem is all their offense is is Luca and threes. They get
Starting point is 00:18:17 no points in the paint, like near the bottom of the league in points in the paint. There's also no proof that Kyrie winning really matters to him. I mean, he had a very promising situation in Boston, blew it up. Had a great team in Cleveland. Blew it up. And yes, Luca is a great
Starting point is 00:18:35 score, but he leads the NBA in usage rate. In fact, it's the most usage in league history. MJ finally, Phil Jackson came in, MJ finally figured it out. And MJ wasn't a point guard,
Starting point is 00:18:50 but Phil basically said, got to include others, got to trust others. And I've said from the beginning, I think Luca is much more James Harden than Michael or Kobe. Michael or Kobe stressed defense.
Starting point is 00:19:04 We're not only willing defenders in their prime, Michael was the best on-ball defender in the league. And they wanted the ball in crunch time, but Kobe and MJ paced themselves, deferred to others early in the game. When it was a big end of the clock situation, end of the half, end of a quarter, end of a clock, end of the fourth, overtime, that was different. But either Luca changes or nothing will.
Starting point is 00:19:29 I have never bought into this. There is a line in this athletic story by the writer. Here it is. Huge offensive performances from Luca aren't resulting in wins. Donchich, unfortunately, is one of the reasons. Even in a scheme that attempts to hide his defensive shortcomings, Luca cannot be a non-participant. Find me the championship teams
Starting point is 00:19:53 where your best and often second-best player have no real interest in defense. You can't be this good of an athlete offensively. You can say what you want about Yokic. Yokic is a better defender than he gets credit for. He is. He's not a great defender. Nobody thinks he's Janus. Nobody thinks he's an all-time great big defensively, but he's a willing defender. He also has Gordon on that team who's a much better defender.
Starting point is 00:20:25 And they grind it out. Go look at the nuggets. They grind it out as a top five NBA defense, especially late when it banners. I do not, I've been watching basketball since the 70s. Every great team I've ever watched can shut you down when they have to. You know, the Warriors, Steph may have not been a great defender. Draymond was, Clay in his prime was. They brought in Andre Iguodala. Kevin Duranto has been a long and willing defender.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Mark Jackson's teams were built on offense, but Steve Kerr knew the value of it because he coached maybe the best defensive team I've ever seen in Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen and Dennis Rodman's Bulls. So Jason Kidd talked this week about Luca stepping up defensively. Does Luca need to be better defensively? We all do. We all do. It's, you know, when you look at leaning on Luca offensively in which we do,
Starting point is 00:21:16 and he delivers, we have to be able to cover him. And cover not just Luca, but cover Kai. And the other three that are out there have to protect each other. It's not just one-on-one. The players are too good in this league to just play one-on-one. Who's he talking about? players are too good in this league that just play one-on-one
Starting point is 00:21:40 J-Mack with the news No No no no no Turn on the news This is the Herdline News Big one for my Mavs tonight They face the Miami Heat Where in a
Starting point is 00:21:54 It's in Dallas I'm seeing the spread Dallas minus four to half I wouldn't touch that with your For the record Miami Jimmy Butler Bam Excellent defenders Boston
Starting point is 00:22:06 Boston Boston Tatum, Jalen Brown, Drew Holliday, excellent defenders. Okay, let's go to the NFL, and the Buffalo Bills. Colin, this is a flurry of moves yesterday. Holy cow, they need to get under the salary cap. They ended up dumping five players. Several starters, including safety, Jordan,
Starting point is 00:22:24 Poirier, and center Mitch Morse. They are also releasing former Pro Bowl corner Tradavius White. Great, but heard often. He'll be a post-June 1 designation, and they restructured Von Miller and Rousseau. Douglass. They freed up 37 mil in cap space. Obviously, you know, they got to pay Josh Allen. I don't... It is a good year for centers in the draft. So they'll go draft to center, I would guess. Well, they also said they're going to move Connor McGovern, possibly to center.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Okay. Hey, here's all the cuts they have on the screen. Dante Hardy had some moments. Naim Hines. I think he had a bad injury, but... Wasn't Mitch Morris a captain? I mean, these are like captains guys. These are veterans. Yeah, like veteran guys who were named captain, so you're losing. It's like years ago when the Patriots lost like Bruske and Vrable and you bring in these young guys, you're not just losing players, you're losing IQ and leaders and the soul of a team. For a team to name a guy a captain, that means they're respected in the room.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Even the Patriots with Brady and his prime, when they would lose great players the following year, it's not the same team, not the same feel in the locker room. So we've seen the Chiefs lose a lot around Mahomes. Mahomes is able to cover it all up. Can Josh Allen do the same? Now, he was close against the Chiefs. Remember, it was essentially two misses on a second and third down, I believe, around the two-minute warning in that playoff game. And then the kicker, you know, screws up.
Starting point is 00:23:49 But I just, I'm sorry, I don't think Alan is on the level of clutch playoff as Mahomes. I just don't think he's there. And I don't think he can carry this team. Well, there are, there is proof historically there. When you get a dynasty, like a New England dynasty, the Niners, the Cowboys, there are really brief moments to beat them. Like New England, when they let go of the bruskees and the Rables, and they had a two, like a year period, or Tom got hurt, right?
Starting point is 00:24:18 Matt Castle play. There were a couple years where New England hiccuffed. They weren't bad. I think they won 11 games with Matt Castle, but there were some hiccups. That's when you have to take advantage. The question is, to me, this year was the year. Burrow got hurt.
Starting point is 00:24:34 And Kansas City's offense was kids. To me, this was the year for Lamar or Josh to sneak in the Super Bowl. These dynasties, they run longer and longer. They don't give you, like Denver. You know, if Jamal Murray got hurt this year, Boston has to win. Right? Like, if somebody got hurt, like, because Denver's not going anywhere for five years. Sometimes there's misfortune.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Your second best player gets hurt. Then you have to, because Denver is better than Boston. They're better late in games. They have the best player. So you may only get in the next three years, like one year where Denver loses a player. There's a suspension. You've got to take it. Buffalo had it this year.
Starting point is 00:25:17 And they got Kansas City at home. At home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything lined up for them. So I'll say this. Obviously, the quarterback most important position, if you lose your quarterback, you're toast. Usually. Now, with Josh Allen goes down, this is like a four or five win team, right?
Starting point is 00:25:29 No question. So Joe Flacco filled in for Deshawn Watson, and Cleveland got to the playoffs. They're built different than Buffalo. They can beat you a lot of different ways. Defense is good. They got the run game. Tight end. I just, I don't know if Buffalo has enough to get to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:25:46 I think, I never want to be harsh, but it feels like the ship has kind of sailed, right? I think they'll be very, very good. They'll be competitive. 10-11 wins. If the Celtics don't win this year, they'll be very, very good next year. Like, they're not, Buffalo and the Celtics aren't going
Starting point is 00:26:00 anywhere. Just doesn't mean you're going to win a championship. Yeah. Next up, Drake May has been seen as the second best quarterback prospect behind Caleb Williams for many, many months. But Jaden Daniels and J.J. McCarthy keep rising up the boards. However, Chris Sims, has he been on the show former quarterback? I think he's been here. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I know for Sid. He says Drake May is his six best prospect heading into April's draft. You watch a highlight package, you need to go, wow, looks the part, got the prototypical. size, right, and kind of got the look of a franchise quarterback. So you watch the best games in his career, right? Yeah, you'll see a few of those throws, but for every one of those throws, there's five of like, what the hell is that throw? Right? There's no way. Evaluators,
Starting point is 00:26:50 coaches, coaches, quarterbacks, any of that are going to be able to get behind, like, right now, and Drake Bango, oh yeah, he's ready to go. He should be the number two or number three pick of the draft. No way. There's, there's too many things about his game that. that need to be polished, better, improved. I do think there are reports and rumors on Jaden Daniels, Arizona State LSU going number two. And I think, and what I would say about that is Cliff Kingsbury, the play caller now, has had Kyler Murray,
Starting point is 00:27:23 has had Patrick Mahomes. Jaden Daniels, some of his comps are a little Kyler Murray. I'll just say it's a very similar style. Okay, let me just drill down for a moment on sixth best quarterback in this track. We don't know. We don't know. Neither just Chris Sims. So I decided to look it up.
Starting point is 00:27:42 I'm not bagging on Sims. This happens to everybody, you know, you dish it. You got to be able to take it. Chris Sims had Mack Jones as his top quarterback a few years back ahead of Tua, okay? And he was, you know, doing a victory lap when they got to the playoffs. Mac Jones, he's done, okay? We don't know. We can just admit, we don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:01 The teams don't know. Colin, nobody knows. Well, it's okay to say that. With certain positions, I would say running back, edge rusher and cornerback. You can play regardless of how bad your coach is. Max Crosby hasn't had great coaches. He's great. Running back, Josh Jacobs hasn't had great coaches.
Starting point is 00:28:21 He's been really good. There are certain positions at Corner, Sauce Gardner. You can either play or you don't. I mean, Patrick Certan was great when he had Nat Hackett as a head coach. but quarterback is very situational and dependent on your play caller. That's why CJ Stroud crush. He's got a great play caller. Your GM, the protection your quarterback, if you're a deep threat,
Starting point is 00:28:46 you've got to have the time to throw it deep. So he has Caleb. Listen, I don't think this is... I'm okay with Jane. Listen, I don't think this is terrible. Is Sanchez talking quarterbacks for the draft? I think he is, right? I don't have a problem with this.
Starting point is 00:28:58 You're not a problem with Bo Nix third? So for our radio audience, Chris Sims has Caleb, then Jaden Daniels, a guy I like Bo Nix, Michael Penix, J.J. McCarthy, Drake, May. I have no problem with that. I don't. That is insanity. I don't like J.J. McCarthy as much as everybody else. I agree. That's fine. That's just my opinion.
Starting point is 00:29:20 I think you're just smitten with Bo Nicks from that one game you went up to. I don't think he's great. I think he's going to end up with Denver. And so if he ends up with Denver, I think he's basically. his offense in Oregon, which was basically, we're going to scheme it up, deliver the ball where we scheme it. That is exactly what Sean Payton wants. So I think, I don't think Bo Nix to the commanders or patriots would flourish. But if you look at where he sits in the draft, I think he's going to Sean Payton, and I think that absolutely works. I'm ready to make, how many steak dinners do you owe me? Like four or five? I forget. I'm ready to say Bo
Starting point is 00:29:58 Knicks drops to the second round in the draft. I don't think he goes first round. I've been making some calls this week. I got my mock draft coming out. Fox is asking me. They click well. Bo Nix, not going to go first round. You're taking shots at Chris Sims.
Starting point is 00:30:11 How did your mock draft do last year? I think it was spectacular. I mean, probably 91% hit rate, something like that. I forgot it somehow. You got buried somewhere here. Let's go to the final story and the Lakers last night. Goodness gracious. Up 19 in the first quarter against the Kings.
Starting point is 00:30:27 I watched it early. and I thought, I was driving. Driving home, I listened to the first quarter. I was listening to John Ireland, and they were crushing them. I would blowout. Okay, so LeBron left the game in the fourth quarter.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Listen, I'm not saying there's no ankle injury. I watched LeBron closely. Colin, fourth quarter, he was so pissed at his team. He didn't get in the huddle, sat at the end of the bench. Everybody's huddling. I didn't see anybody right about this. I'm watching it in the arena. I'm like, I got it on my phone.
Starting point is 00:30:54 I'm watching LeBron just sitting on the end of the bench. So it's not happy. Mad with his teammates? or Darwin Ham? I think it's Darvinham. And the coach tried to sub LeBron out in the second half when they're like down 17.
Starting point is 00:31:04 LeBron's like, no, I'm not coming out. And he had to switch the sub to Rui. LeBron just didn't, he was like, we're not losing to these guys. Anthony Davis was, okay, anyways, here's LeBron after the game about his injury. It's just my ankle.
Starting point is 00:31:16 It was just what I've been, what I deal with before the break, after the break. Just managing the best way I can, you know, played the whole third. Sat a little bit to start the fourth. and, you know, when I got back in, it kind of just something that's been dealt with it.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Some games is better than others. They feel it at all versus O'KC, and I didn't feel it at all into the fourth quarter of the night, so it was just, this game these days different. Quite possibly the craziest stat I've seen this NBA season. Anthony Davis, head-to-head against DeMonna Sabonis, is 0 and 9. What? It was stat muse and all these people put it up.
Starting point is 00:31:57 What? He is getting bodied. Sabonis had a triple double in the third quarter last night. Anthony Davis in foul trouble, complaining. This was a really crummy performance. Sabonis really isn't an offensive player. He's a rebounder and a defender. And the Lakers could not stay in front of Fox and Malik Munk.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Malik Munk looked like Michael Jordan last night. No, Monk has those weird games. He was volcanic. Yeah, well, Deere and Fox's a great player. He's one of the 12, 15 best players in the league. So I had said for a long time, I wouldn't trade Austin Rees for Tray Young or Donovan Mitchell or anything. I love Austin Reeves. He got abused by Deeran Fox.
Starting point is 00:32:33 I mean, it was bad. Well, timeout. He's a lefty. You know he's going left. And he's got like three lefty layoffs in a row. Deeran Fox is an elite top 15 player. Austin Reeves is the fourth most talented Laker. I'll say third, but I digress.
Starting point is 00:32:48 I love that you go to the game and got a reality check on Austin Reeves. Deeran Fox said, what did he finish with? 44 or something like that? I think career high, 44. I mean, and Malik Monk got whatever he. Well, Malik Monk has those knives. He's a very strange player. By the way, DeAngelo Russell, next time you want to call him the
Starting point is 00:33:05 third best Laker, watch him closely for five minutes. So what you're telling me last night is Reve Stunk, A.D. Stunk, and Delo Stunk. And when LeBron got hurt. Well, no wonder they lost. Well, no, no. LeBron was amazing. I think he had, I don't know the numbers, but he was unbelievable passing, everything. And this was
Starting point is 00:33:21 one of those performances when the Lakers are like, how did they just smoke OKC? And now they get destroyed by the kitten. They better not face the Kings of the playoffs. I'll say. It's a bad match. The Kings have a nice starting five. I mean, Barnes,
Starting point is 00:33:36 King and Murray, Sabona, Deeran Fox, have good players. Barnes and Red Velvet were so bad in the first quarter. They played like despairingly. And it was like the Malik Monk Show, man. He? I don't know. Kings look good. One game. I don't want to overreact, but AD, bro.
Starting point is 00:33:53 J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. read of the chiefs top of the hour Mark Sanchez stops in today. Peter Schrager. I got to talk to I got a tech Schrager. A lot of stuff going on
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Starting point is 00:36:29 Well, you're saying, well, can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?
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Starting point is 00:37:37 A lot of people say they're committed to something, but they're not really committed. You know, if I want to get in shape, well, you're going to change your lifestyle, you're going to eat better? You can't work out your way past a bad diet. Are you really committed to getting in shape? I am going to lose. I am going to do this. I am going to... 45, 50 hours a week is not committed to work.
Starting point is 00:37:57 You've got to get closer to 60. 60. Sorry. How committed are you? So Jerry Jones always talks about how much he wants, how badly he wants doing a Super Bowl. Like that's the thing. It's about winning here. No, it's not. Yep, yep, yep. Just talk. You're not about winning. New England was about winning. We'll get to that in a second.
Starting point is 00:38:16 So this is Dalton Schultz is on ESPN. And he said, the focus in Houston, it's just football. Describing some of the interactions and stuff, you'd see, day to day in Dallas. When I tell people, it surprises them. You think it's normal when you come to a place like Houston. There are people literally going on tours while you're lifting weights in the weight room. And they've got like a one-way mirror for people to look in. You're just like a zoo. You got people tapping on the glass, trying to get people's attention, and you're doing power cleans or whatnot. What a joke. Again, Jerry tells you it's about winning. No, New England's
Starting point is 00:38:57 about winning. They had a superstar quarterback that took pay cuts. The head coach had the power, not the players of the owner. Sacrifice was the team brand. Popularity, irrelevant in New England. Belichick didn't care. Dallas is about three things.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Jerry's ego, he calls himself the GM, a constant discussion of DAC's contract and embracing the brand over everything. Business first. maintaining the image of America's team. Like Kansas City right now, like New England, is about winning.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Their facilities, the players voted, average. They don't care. They pay the best coaches and players. It's not about showing their facilities off. Their owner in Kansas City, mostly hides. Much like New England, the coach has the power, not the owner. And the Cowboys, for the record, I've been on this for several, years. They led the NFL last year in paying their picks, their draft picks. Now, that sounds like
Starting point is 00:40:06 something that you'd like. We draft players. They end up being good. No, they often overpaid their players validating their picks. They don't keep up with the Joneses. They believe we are the Joneses. This are picks. Very insular, very mom and pop. We draft. We validate. We validate. date, we pay our picks. So a lot of people say they're committed to things on what level. The Cowboys with Jerry Jones are not totally committed like a Kansas City. They're not committed like New England in the dynasty. They're not committed to winning. You got players doing deadlifts and like Dalton Schultz says it, it felt like you know, you're an animal in a zoo, people trying to get your attention. You think that, do you think that would pass? You think it
Starting point is 00:40:57 be something that Belichick could be for? Of course he wouldn't. Because Kraft, Belichick, and Brady in that 20-year stretch, we all knew it was about doing your job, sacrificing, and winning. Don't believe the chatter. Don't believe the talk. It's not about winning in Dallas. It's serving Jerry's ego. So I saw this. This is crazy. So there are a lot of Sequan Barclay, great running back for the Giants. When he's healthy, he's great. A lot of rumors where he's going. Eagles, Raiders, Bears, Patriots. I would keep your eye on the Texans because C.J. Stroud is not a guy that moves. He's not going to gobble up rush yards and they need a run game.
Starting point is 00:41:40 This to me is interesting. Like if you had an optimism meter in the NFL, like you had a meter on optimism. And there are certain indexes with our economy. Like to see is the public feel good about the economy, the bad about the economy? Economists keep track of those. But if you had an optimism meter in the NFL, NFL obviously like your Baltimore's, Kansas City, Buffalo, a lot of optimism. Middle of the pack is probably, you know, Tampa, Seahawks have a new coach.
Starting point is 00:42:05 The bottom of it has to be Carolina and the Giants if they lose Seekwan Barclay. I mean, the Jets at least have Aaron Rogers. The very bottom has to be Carolina and the Giants if they don't have Seekwan Berkeley. Daniel Jones in games in his career that Saquan doesn't play is 8 and 14. And the average of 17 a game. So in 2020, now Joe Judge was the coach, but in 2020, when Sequin barely played, Daniel Jones had 11 TDs and 10 picks. The offense was 31st in the NFL. So when I look at the Giants, you know, when I was back there years ago, eight, nine years ago, I felt like it was this great successful accounting firm.
Starting point is 00:42:50 They feel like Blockbuster video. They have not pivoted. Not very good upstairs. in 12 seasons since the Super Bowl, this is hard to get your brain around because they were so good for so long with Ha Stettler and Sims and Eli Manning. In 12 seasons since winning the Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:43:08 they have one double-digit winning season. And that's in the weaker NFC. And now that Detroit and Houston, sort of NFL sad sacks, are headed in the right direction and feel very optimistic, good rosters, especially Detroit, and now that Washington,
Starting point is 00:43:24 another sad sack has a new owner, excellent young coaching combo and the most cap space. Ask yourself, outside of Carolina, what's a bigger mess in the NFL? You've got an owner that wants a quarterback that the GM and the coach, frankly, privately don't want. You got like people at the NFL Combine, Rich Eisen said last week, and he's not somebody that's going to bang on the NFL.
Starting point is 00:43:51 He works for the NFL network. He's like, the Giants keep using the football. phrase, buyer's remorse. I'm making it up. I mean, it's just, it is. Without Saquan, I mean, with Saquan Barclay, with Saquan Barclay, it's a BB gun offense. Without him, it's a cracked
Starting point is 00:44:10 water pistol, like, and the water's leaking out. Like, there's just, there's no there there. It is bad. It is bad. I said, this Carolina is obviously the biggest mess. The owner's impulsive. The quarterback looks overwhelmed. no draft capital. That's the worst organization right now in the league.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Take that out. You can say what you want about the Bears, but they're going to get Caleb Williams. And they do have some nice pieces. Montez Sweetsgood. They have an elite corner. They have an elite wide receiver. They have offensive linemen they like. They have a linebacker that's productive.
Starting point is 00:44:42 I mean, there's some pieces in Chicago, and they have draft capital. So, I mean, take out Carolina. Atlanta's got the pieces offensively. They need to Kirk Cousins or a Russell Wilson. Who's lower on the optimism chart meter than the Giants? You know who's really close to the Giants? Who? The New York Jets.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Well, but they do have a star receiver, a star quarterback. Star quarterback, really? I would say a better than average defensive personnel. Oh, great. Six or seven very good young players who are not getting paid yet. Now, you got Thibodon. Giants have a left tackle and an edge rusher. I like them both.
Starting point is 00:45:20 Don't have an elite receiver. not going to sign Seyuan Barclay. I get Aaron Rogers. You get Daniel Jones. I'm on take Aaron. I would take that. But you said the phrase sad sack, which is totally underrated. The other thing the Giants have is an offensive coach. But he had some pushback this year. Okay, Dable or Sala? Who you take it next five years?
Starting point is 00:45:38 Okay. Dable. Offensive coach. I'm taking offensive coaches. But I get Aaron. I get back-to-back. They have six or seven really elite players in New York. They have a better running back, better wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:45:49 No, they have a star running back. who they're keeping a star. Internal dysfunction has just plagued this franchise for over a decade. You know what it goes back to? People never appreciated Phil Sims or Eli Manning. There are certain players that while they're there, you appreciate. Everybody appreciated Joe Montana. Everybody appreciated in San Diego, Dan Fouch. You all knew how good he was. Everybody appreciated Peyton Manning in India or Brady in New England. Because Eli Manning was not, not a terribly consistent regular season player, right? Like, people didn't appreciate his IQ, his willingness to give others attention.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Take out Eli's nine to ten peak years. This franchise has been a mess out of those years. It's fair. Been a mess. That's a new. I'm going to create, I don't know if we can do it digitally or graphically, an optimism meter. Look at you, just ideas coming out of your ears. Well, this is the last show for, you know, tomorrow off.
Starting point is 00:46:58 For what? Three days? By the way, I just had this analogy. The Jets quarterback, whose name I refuse to say, is there a chance he's Michael Jordan with the Wizards here this year and next year with my Jets? Not terrible. Andy Reid next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,
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